# messages

type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:26:42
content:
  Even if it takes years, Neos will be playable and Karel will be building a new team I think. In the meeting notes that were leaked, it shows Karel working hard and trying to hire more people and pay eveyone very well.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:27:36
content:
  yeah they kinda lied and pretended they werent going to rugpull NCR but on march 4, they took the mask off.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:28:19
content:
  go to @reactant20 and read the meeting notes. It shows a whole different picture than whay devs are trying to say.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:30:23
content:
  and at the end Froox has no input except that he wants abit less responsibility and wants to go at his own pace without the strain of feedback always coming in


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:31:24
content:
  if it goes to court I think first of all market will react positively in the short term and also in the longterm we'll have an amazing platform to build in without these people holding it back


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:32:01
edit_date: 2022-03-12 22:32:28
content:
  They think what they are doing is noble in defending their niche world they've created for themselves, justifying all their actions including dehumanizing Karel into some caricature of a monster, and rugging all the "evil" and "toxic" crypto bros


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:33:05
content:
  they have all these college sophomore ideas about capitalism and people being evil and other intellectually bunk shit like that as well as heavy us-vs-them echochamber mentality


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:33:43
content:
  Cases are all being litigated remotely, it's fine. There were delays at beginning of covid but everyone has adjusted by now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:34:15
content:
  If they don't want court then they need to get serious and have decent terms to settle with. But they dont want that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:36:09
edit_date: 2022-03-12 22:36:24
content:
  I'm not holding any NCR, at this point I just want to see some justice done. And possibly reinvest if I see positive signs.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:36:16
edit_date: 2022-03-12 22:36:49
content:
  yeah, and I dont blame anyone wanting off this wildride but what I'm personally doing is forgetting about token price for awhile and keeping it for longterm


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:37:03
content:
  yeah and I feel the same way. At this point its not about price to me or getting a relief rally. It's about justice


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:41:21
edit_date: 2022-03-12 22:41:36
content:
  it's been days and they keep on ashaming karel with the Winston drama when Karel "supported and wished death" to froox


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:48:59
edit_date: 2022-03-12 22:50:23
content:
  The "death threats" came from one user Winston who was banned. it was toxic and obviously wasn't right, but we're fucking adults, these weren't real or credible threats. People lost thousands of dollars, emotions were running high - it's not unexpected for ppl to be saying shit like that, especially given how young and immature some of the crypto community is. They're acting like these types of comments don't happen all the time in gaming like counterstrike, Xbox Live or league of legends.... 

  They just used it to further paint Karel and crypto as the villain.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:49:51
content:
  Since the beginning of the entry of new investors to the project, they have worked against cryptocurrencies, they are like a closed group that does not want anyone


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:55:19
content:
  We are not responsible for that and we are not approving this. That winston is despicable and he got banned indeed


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:56:24
edit_date: 2022-03-12 22:57:03
content:
  What's also despicable is to wish financial losses and to mock people when they are financialy ruined


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:56:30
content:
  You said it clearly wasn't credible and that it happens all the time.  that's normalizing the action.   It shouldn't be used against Karel I agree since he didn't make the threat.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:58:56
content:
  I want death threats to go away because I get tired of it always getting used politically, "I'm getting death threats now for standing up for my beliefs!" etc.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 22:59:26
content:
  tbh many of crypto bro came for quick profit and they got rekt. At this point, the only ppl remaining really had a vision for this project and wanted to support through ICO


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 23:00:09
content:
  I think I kind of understand the use of NCR now but it really wasn't as transformative as I hoped it was.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 23:00:22
content:
  I"am here since October because I got mind boggled by the technology and I really love the idea and fundamentals of Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-12 23:53:00
content:
  lawyers probably told him to finally shut up, which is for the best (and also a likely indication that things are getting serious on the legal front)


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:07:33
content:
  I think karel and froox will come to an agreement somehow. Failure to reach an agreement is to destroy both. That possibility is very low. they are not idiots


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:15:11
content:
  The team said something similar then froox put out the final statement…as far as I understand, froox is not compromising in anyway at all and does not even show urgency to talk to his cofounder. They only talk every Wednesday pretty much because it was a long standing tradition. Hopefully things have changed.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:16:14
edit_date: 2022-03-13 00:16:41
content:
  I hope Karel and Froox can compromise and reach an agreement and keep building greate metaverse and care about our all holders benifits


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:19:28
content:
  I agree with you. However, he will know that it is legally impossible to continue neosvr alone without an agreement with karel.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:23:15
content:
  The team is very irresponsible and stupid, but they too will know that it is absolutely impossible to get rid of ncr without compromising with karel.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:31:38
content:
  I think now the situation is that they will do anything to get rid of karel. However, the vision of froox and the team seems to be different. The team members want to build their own castle because they are extremely selfish and closed, but I think froox will at least make a realistic compromise to keep neosvr going.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:47:33
edit_date: 2022-03-13 00:49:08
content:
  As far as I know, the team members have no stake in the company. They have only one option: to stay or leave the company after karel and froox agree. Now it looks like froox and his teammates are a team, but eventually team members will do the same to froox after karel is eliminated. 
  I feel sorry for froox, who believes that the team members will be his team forever.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 00:50:00
edit_date: 2022-03-13 00:50:50
content:
  Dev team seem ready to kick everything for their own benefit at any time.Looking at the situation now, it is understandable.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 01:06:11
edit_date: 2022-03-13 07:44:23
content:
  After karel and froox reached an agreement, they sincerely apologize to ncr investors and take measures to prevent a recurrence. Also, team members who internally led the strike should be fired. Then, everyone will have a convincing result, and neosvr will have a chance to get help from outside. Otherwise, they will always be hungry, trying to survive on their own from their fallen reputation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 01:21:28
content:
  There will be team members who are reluctantly joined by those who lead the strike. It may be too late now, but I believe neosvr will have a chance to revive once the cancerous mass that drives the strike is cut off. I hope froox wakes up from the dream to face reality and get things right now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 01:44:39
content:
  Need lawyers to slap these devs out of their delusional thoughts and bring them back to reality, maybe then we can see resolution.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 01:45:35
content:
  I think their heads getting too big from all the brown nosing they get in the discord full of yes men


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 01:56:14
content:
  They all should not occur regardless imo.  It's never an appropriate response whether credible or not.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:02:00
content:
  Yeah I'm not upset at people who have to say they've had death threats.  I'm sad that they are put in the position where that's something that has to occur.  I'm extremely anti death threats.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:02:18
content:
  that is becoz $NCR going to 0,some become crazy,it is very normal.if Neos dead,i think they also want to kill who kill Neos,that is their life


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:08:24
content:
  I hope however the neos stuff moves forward it's not with people who feel it's ever appropriate to justify allowing death threats.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:14:53
content:
  I can't.  To understand why someone would fall that low is to accept that it will happen and that will allow it to continue because you're accepting it which leads to normalization.  You should be clear that it should not happen and is not acceptable.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:31:25
content:
  this is why hierarchy is needed.
  one of volunteer was in danger of getting fired, and the other volunteers had to strike and make Karel look bad. This is done with intention of kicking Karel out, but they pretended to be something called "dignity" so noone can argue about. Froox just got brainwashed by his "friends". 

  Froox's non-hierarchy ship will fall quite sure within 2 years.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:33:31
content:
  Poor Froox, cus its only him and Karel losing money here. His company could have gone to billions, and it was at least $100m even for now. Froox lost literally millions of money but only him and furries dont know. Its pity that he doesnt know any economics. But I guess the team will not care Froox going bankrupt for sure.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:35:53
content:
  anyway,holders think the whole team irresponsible,the whole team,they are selfish and dont consider the future of Neos and mock holders  who are real viticms.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:38:28
content:
  So... in your mind, the people who are openly and actively trying to get rid of Karel and NCR... bear no responsibility for the current situation with NCR? Is that really what you are saying? 

  You really drank the furry Kool aid didn't you.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:46:00
content:
  I still don't understand fully other than selling minted NCR as a round of funding (which higher ncr value means more funding through sales from the ICO wallet) what the long term monetization plan is. When I thought it was a asset verification system as well as a transaction base I thought I got it.  But apparently that's not it.   It sounds like the only way to recover ncr to sell it again to continue the monetization is through transaction fees in world and charging ncr for services?


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:52:04
content:
  Ya, its that simple. Primary monetization I expect would be from transaction fees. This isn't a minor thing given enough volume. Look at how much opensea makes from NFT sales or brokers/exchanges in stock market.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:53:53
content:
  I was hoping it would leverage something similar to the NFT for asset verification but that's apparently a "future ncr" problem so isn't really something worth considering until they start discussions on what that system would actually look like.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:54:35
content:
  This could also be another utility/value case for NCR (which hasn't been suggested yet by Karel). You could distribute a percentage of those fees to NCR stakers, which would incentivize holding the token apart from just speculation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 02:57:08
content:
  Not sure why you would need NFTs to be on the NCR blockchain itself instead of a more widely used and efficient chain. It also wouldn't result in much value accrual to NCR itself without some significant changes to the coin operability.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:14:12
content:
  I'm trying to justify NCR over other tokens since the followed insistence that it's the basis for the system.  Having asset verification of ownership in the Blockchain allows for first right of sale doctrine to take effect as I now own said asset and can give or sell it to someone else, unlike current digital assets which are more like license for use than ownership.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:19:22
content:
  I'm not hearing a lot of people actually churning the NCR back through the digital economy in game either.  I've heard the random story of people jokingly paying for a meme or people paying for storage.  But mostly I hear people sitting on it or selling it like a stock instead of spending it to replenish the neos wallet.  Which doesn't really help the economy of NCR move. Especially given the scale that needs to occur given the simple monetization method.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:27:15
edit_date: 2022-03-13 03:27:47
content:
  Not sure what you mean by replenish the neos wallet. Once NCR is distributed, that's in the user economy. Otherwise, Solirax the company itself has a large NCR treasury that would obviously gain in value along with NCR. 

  And monetization of fees isn't dependent on NCR. In fact, one of the originally proposed utility functions of the token was that the fees would apply to fiat transactions, while NCR had zero fees. 

  Neos is no doubt far away from any serious monetization given that there is no marketplace and the user base is tiny. Which is why many of us have been asking for better UX design and marketing.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:39:41
content:
  What happens when their treasury runs out?  If you're not renewing it.  then it is a one time investment distributed over time.  That's not really a great monetization method.  That's just hoping you chose a big enough number that you die first.   Which is bad from a corporate perspective.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:42:54
content:
  Ya, NCR is the initial funding for the project, that's how ICOs work (and IPOs for stocks). The goal would be to develop a revenue generating and self sufficient business using the funding. Monetization (eg, through fees) is different from funding.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:53:35
content:
  Because if it's just a series of funding that's failed because the stock crashed,  then real asset is actually the frooxengine?


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 03:58:47
content:
  Dude I don't even know what you're trying to say or ask anymore. I feel like you're making everything overly complicated.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:11:32
content:
  I'm confused too.  I'm trying to figure out how NCR as a whole is a long term benefit to the company if it's not a source  or a planned source of recurring revenue. I thought it was through skimming off the currency to resell repeatedly as people used it as currency in the game, which IMO is a great idea as long as there's enough people doing it.  But that's not it.  I thought it was maybe to be used as a digital asset management/verification system where they could skim transaction fees via ncr to resell again into the market, which again would be a great method at scale.  but that's not it.   If it really is just the equivalent of series A funding that failed and people didn't get out at the buy back, how do you build a company with that as the basis?  Where's the future and continued monetization?  It feels like everything is actually resting on neosvr actually finding a way to monetize itself and they were hoping for short term gain through what's been widely accepted as a super volatile market.  And everyone seems upset because the volatile market did what volatile markets do, skyrocket or bust.  I'm really even more confused now than I was before I tried to understand what's actually going on because it all kind of looks like a scam at this point. :p


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:12:18
content:
  gwaland, i think you came from traditional stock market valuation stuff.. I actually agree mostly with you and that's why transaction fee or governance is needed for token. But NCR isnt that case unfortunately for now. Hope this can change by Karel's crypto version of neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:20:22
content:
  For me the big draw of grand ideas with crypto and the blockchain is full auditability and that's why I was drawn to the idea of using it as asset management/verification.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:21:22
content:
  I guess the downside would be the potential of everyone knowing that I bought questionable stuff from adam and eve's virtual world. ;p


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:47:56
content:
  To Karel
  I would like to know the progress of your agreement with froox. 
  I was told the other day that you will be using a professional moderator. Are you currently negotiating with froox with a mediator? And any other news? The more your update is delayed, the more anxious ncr holders become. It would be appreciated if you could simply say hello. Don't forget that you are only hope in a dying project. I am holding ncr so far because I believe in you.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:51:58
content:
  I'm trying to do the research. I figured the people who want it to increase would be the best place. Is that not the case?


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 04:54:45
content:
  I assumed being able to explain how it's beneficial would be the best way to encourage investment and increase the value.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:00:05
content:
  I didn't think I was causing any kind of fear uncertainty or doubt in questioning how it works to better neos?  Which is my personal ultimate goal.  I'd think encouraging understanding how it works would drive to better stability.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:04:56
content:
  I guess you'll need some libertarian seed in your blood to understand why crypto is important for a decentralized, democratised metaverse. Karel also used the term "anti-censorship" once, which I personally appreciate.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:07:23
content:
  I asked about the decentralized part earlier.  I've voted libertarian most of my life I believe strongly in a lot of the ideals.  But is seems forcing a project to a single currency is antithetical to that mentality?


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:07:32
content:
  If your vision for Neos is a VR game instead of THE metaverse, then yeah crypto don't make too much sense other than acting as a means to raised funds.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:21:31
content:
  I've seen a lot of people saying the NCR has to be fully integrated with neosVR (which I can understand from a 'make me money' standpoint but not a 'best option for the company' option).  But forcing it as the only option is not really living up to the decentralized theme from a company standpoint.   Of course with newer understanding that NCR is not meant to be a recurring source of income but just a pure investment angle I don't see why it needs to be integrated into the platform  as the only option just set as the primary form of interaction  for in game currency and making other options available but more difficult to use in order to help spur on it's growth.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:27:06
content:
  A metaverse need blockchain technology for its immutability and other features. One decentralized token can serve the purpose of decentralization. That said, I don't think it's correct to say that future neos will be "forced" to accept only one form of crypto currency, as that's literally impossible considering crypto currencies are mutually exchangable.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:30:38
content:
  Much like you can use British Pounds in USA, you can use, say, Enjin coin in Neos in the future, assuming that the exchange process will be so fast and convenient, you won't even feel the trouble. However, the "economic policies" of Neos will still very much be determined by a decentralized NCR, much like USA's monetary policies only directly impact $


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:30:39
content:
  OK so they said that it was only being used as a funding tool earlier.  How does the blockchain assist?  I'm wondering if you're seeing it more the way I initially saw it?


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:33:44
content:
  My initial thoughts were using it as a recurring monetary mechanism by taking cuts in in game transactions to allow for reselling of the NCR for cash infusions if needed and potentially using it for asset verification and management to allow for proven ownership of digital assets that allow for resell and potential export to other systems with verification that I'm allowed to use it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:34:00
content:
  It was a very effective tool to raise funds, with the implicit and explicit promise of NCR being the currency of THE metaverse that Neos would hopefully become. The dev team has, for lack of a better word, shamelessly broken their promise, while demending the raised money be used for development in froox' latest announcement.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:38:00
content:
  A constructive conversation can be had on NCR's role to push Neos become more decentralized and democratised. Unfortunately that's not the conversation we are having right now. Ironically the dev team demonstrated exactly why a metaverse should be decentralized, because a senseless tantrum they randomly throw would have catastrophic impact on the platform itself, as we are witnessing.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:39:08
content:
  So I'm trying to look down the road past the current obstruction to see the end goal.  I know there are disputes between karel and the dev team and the direction.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:40:27
content:
  If you're on either side of this feud, you shouldn't be very concerned of the fact that a metaverse you invested your time in cannot be subject to a random guy's morals or ethical standard. You should be pushing for decentralization of metaverse


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:40:45
content:
  I feel like one side is too caught up in the weeds and the other is too high in the clouds.  I'm trying to see the actual functional middleground and how that works.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:41:23
content:
  Don't listen to En you're not spreading FUD and you're welcome here. At this point I'm 90% positive En is a 🐍 here to cause shit


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:42:25
content:
  I agree.  One of my concerns was the fact that two people having a dispute could cause such a disruption.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:42:29
content:
  I understand. My opinion is that the current feud we're having has nothing to do with clash of cultures or ideas. It's just plain, ugly, stupid, senseless struggle for power and ego.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:44:09
content:
  Thanks. :)  I was concerned I'd come off the wrong way earlier.  I'm definitely not trying to cause problems.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:44:20
edit_date: 2022-03-13 05:45:32
content:
  Yes. It boggles my mind to see how the left's idea of combatting trumpism is to give more power to the government, without knowing that the same power can be used against themselves. We can't have that in a metaverse.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 05:47:24
edit_date: 2022-03-13 07:56:28
content:
  Decentralization doesn't mean anarchism. Although it does present its own challenges. That's why I'm 100% on board of Karel's ideal of pushing for decentralization, as well as democratisation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:11:03
edit_date: 2022-03-13 08:47:32
content:
  I am also sad that Reactant has gone and if this was his experience within the community then I fully understand. It's not only bad PR for Neos but also his individual experience matters - because the community consists of individuals and we cannot ignore that in the future. The key is going to be opening up Neos to broader user base and also making sure that we have means of regulating behaviour that is harming or disturbing others. Freedom of one ends when freedom of someone else starts. Harrasment has no place in Neos. It is a nature of online communities unfortunatelly - people don't always realise that behind every avatar is a real person with real feelings. But I'd like to think that if we make diversity and inlusion part of our mission and we will be proactive about it, the chance of something like that, experience that happened to Reactant, will be much lower.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:22:05
edit_date: 2022-03-13 09:53:10
content:
  There is no use to hold grudges. I came in a difficult time and I was aware of that it would not be all rainbows and unicorns. It is very unfortunate that the team was, and still is, in such a rigid mindset about the past issues as I really think that with some of the changes we have proposed when I joined - project management implementation, better work-life balance, clarity over team responsibilities etc etc, we could have gradually shift towards much more positive space. I really would have done anything to make sure people were happy.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:23:44
content:
  But it is what it is and ultimatelly we have to go upwards and onwards. Work with what we have and think pragmatically. Learn from our mistakes, all that jazz:)


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:27:52
edit_date: 2022-03-13 09:54:14
content:
  Neos is amazing platform with a great potential - not just where NCR is concerned. It has so much more to offer than all the current "wannabe-metaverses" that it would be almost insane to ignore that. If there is at least one person that can see that what we are doing here makes sense then it's worth it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:35:05
edit_date: 2022-03-13 09:55:12
content:
  Decentralisation is going to be more and more important in the future. This is only my opinion but - considering what is happening in the world right now - the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and you might not watch it so closely as us in Czech, because we are so much closer and we see the results of it on a daily basis, but seeing a country enforcing censorship and restriction of internet and freedom of expression is very scary. Seeing big tech platforms harvesting people's personal data is also scary. What people do in their free time in Neos or elsewhere is their personal and often a very intimate thing. We have to try and protect it on as many levels as possible.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:51:14
edit_date: 2022-03-13 14:40:20
content:
  Yeah unfortunately I don't need to look at Russia to be scared for our freedom. I grew up in China and censorship and tyrany have always been a very palpable reality. The reason I uprooted everything I hold dear to myself and left China is because they started throwing my people into concentration camps. It's part of the reason why I was so excited about the prospect of a decentralised metaverse in the first place,


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 08:55:40
content:
  I am so sorry to hear that. This is always heartbreaking - doesn't matter about where it takes place, dictatorship and henious government actions like that is always horrible and everyone who has to go through an experience like that has my utmost respect and sympathy.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 09:00:29
content:
  Thanks. Always appreciate sympathy. On the plus side it gives me more perspectives in life. In the presence of true evil, one tends to see people around oneself with a more forgiving light.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 09:37:36
edit_date: 2022-03-13 10:16:08
content:
  I always felt welcome and supported in Neos. Almost never experienced bad behaviour (only once, and I kicked the guy out of my world and that was it). I admit that I’m not in Neos for social interaction, but for its capacity to offer a working environment to provide services from education, to mental health, to fitness, to financial and legal services etc. I am here for its promise to deliver an open, inclusive, welcoming environment to all, where people can work and study without the need to commute, or leave their town for unliveable mega cities. My avatar is a simple rusty robot I put together in 10 minutes, because I can’t care less about my avatar. I never realised that tribalism was a thing in VR. But humans being humans, this is perhaps not surprising. I am appalled at what happened to Neos, appalled by the behaviour of some members of both the Neos community and crypto community, appalled at the finger pointing, the speculation, and the relentless expectation and demand for Froox and Karel to communicate and engage with the public on discord, twitter, facebook and telegram. Froox, Karel and the team have worked very hard with very little funding for years and years. Together they have created the most advanced metaverse engine to date. The transition from a garage startup to a multimillion dollar business, precipitated by the Meta announcement, has revealed many underlying issues that were dormant during Neos garage startup stage. In particular the asymmetry in power between Karel who hold the business power, and Froox who hold the technology power; NCR that saved Neos from bankruptcy was almost unknown to most users including patreons like me, and anti-crypto member of our community tolerated NCR because it was not a visible part of Neos, though NCR was front and center in the white paper. What happened over the past few months will be analysed for years to come. Somehow we are all responsible for this mess. Sure Karel, Froox and the team have collectively failed to foresee the consequences of lacking a clear business structure, and set of rules to manage the expectation and status of the volunteers giving their time and talent to Neos. The challenge of managing a business in transition under the gaze of angry and antagonistic communities has done the rest. Many, many mistakes were made from all sides. Too many Neos members engaged in public comments in social media, spilling their anger and frustration they accumulated over the past 10 months. I hope Froox and Karel will not forget why they started Neos 8 years ago, and all the supporters that have shared their vision. The world needs Neos, I still hope, but I am pessimistic. All the best Andrea.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 09:56:52
content:
  I hope Froox and Karel will not forget why they started Neos 8 years ago, and all the supporters that have shared their vision. The world needs Neos, I still hope, but I am pessimistic. All the best - Joe


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:04:09
content:
  Broader community meaning 4k people at max? This is what happens when coders think too high of themselves


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:10:01
content:
  The sad part is that this part of Neos community does not even realize how bad they make themselves look with comments like this 🤢


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:12:26
content:
  Perhaps Karel could start looking for other partners, in the end Soliraxis owns high % of the supply of NCR


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:30:38
content:
  Cause froox having half karels ncr would be impossible for ncr to move forward with the risk of him mass dumping and attempting to nuke the price


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:33:05
content:
  Very short lived one, they bought in and got ncr from community funds and sold high while taking actions to drive ncr price down as a group


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:34:18
content:
  The team now realise they have the responsibility for a vulnerable individual (froox) and they own the outcome from their joint statements


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:36:55
content:
  I'm afraid of the future where his inner circle will decide to kick Froox himself out, taking over the company totally


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:37:44
content:
  froox is a puppet for prime and geenz at this stage . Quite disgusting considering his vulnerabilities


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 11:46:38
content:
  Why would you even invest in NCR now, it looks like a pump and dump. Indeed, due to what happend it now looks like a scam


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 13:36:52
edit_date: 2022-03-13 13:50:46
content:
  Thank you for this post. I fully agree that the current situation is a result of a long chain of past interactions, decisions, miscommunications and so forth. It is a natural reaction to look for a scapegoat - someone or something that can be blamed, because in a way, that is easier than taking responsibility and seeing the situation for what it is. But once again, and I am aware that I keep drumming this over and over, what is important is to learn from it and move on. Karel has a vision for Neos that goes beyond a little niche community. 
  As you rightly said, Neos has a great potential in education sector, remote work and any services where virtual reality and multiplayer collaboration is required. He wants to see Neos prosper not just this year, or the next year - but in many many years ahead. For that you need to be agile, you need to rely on your team, have the right people in right roles - and create an environment where they feel good and work well. 
  I know first hand how important is the environment when it comes to teamwork. You put a good person into a bad environment and inevitably their behaviour changes. One of my ever favourite books is Men's search for meaning by Viktor Frankl. A perfect study into how people respond in times of collective stress. Neos as a community project is very susceptible -  people quickly pick up on the negativity and unfortunately it is now the case that everyone is just fighting their corner, because some part of them was perhaps hurt. Or there is a fear of change. But here is where I remain hopeful and embrace it - change in this case is good. It will take time but every situation, every drama, historically peaks and then there is a space, an opportunity, for a true change and growth. And just speaking for myself - I want to be part of that change. Thank you for your support and understanding ❤️


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 13:47:51
content:
  Someone asked even if Froox was given ALL the NCR to manage and keep it first party. Know what Geenz response was? "We don't care about NCR". 

  They don't want a solution that protects us. They want us to fuck off and die, simply.


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 13:51:03
content:
  We are facing a strong will to oppose to Karel's vision, it's most likely not gonna happen given the current situation


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 15:31:49
content:
  I know, just feels like Froox is more likely to let the other devs either convey his feelings for him or directly influence him


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 15:54:06
content:
  I have the feeling that froox seems hurted by this whole situation. Maybe he did not want this to go that far. Perhaps he was encouraged or pushed to do so ??


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 18:37:43
content:
  You gotta understand that when you are being mocked and looked down ppl tend to be more careful, tho I don't think ppl are hostiles towards you ;)


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 18:42:26
edit_date: 2022-03-13 19:05:50
content:
  I think Froox and his team all reinforce each other's belief, and their belief is that it's ok to scam ncr holders because they think they can collude with their community loud enough to get everyone to point a finger at Karel and the public won't question it


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 19:03:54
content:
  Most people here have been great and have helped me understand where they see things going.  I've enjoyed having the discussion. :)


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 19:15:20
content:
  It requires a lot of mental gymnastics to make this situation look good on their side - After all Karel is the one trying to fulfill the vision of the original whitepaper where ncr played a major part and he's a founding partner of the company and has been working on this with Froox from 2014(??). That's why the active pr campaign is needed, Company takeover just because they don't like the business guy and failing to respect the original, promised vision of Neos needs a lot of effort to make it spin positively on their end


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 19:22:26
edit_date: 2022-03-13 19:22:48
content:
  They are convinced that all crypto brings is evil, it makes things easier. Plus spending all of your time surrounded by ppl reinforcing and backing you, makes you think you have the moral high ground


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 20:30:21
edit_date: 2022-03-13 20:30:54
content:
  That's too bad..  Most of the teams behind projects that power crypto do not show any reluctance, in fact they are 100% supporting their tokens


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 20:35:41
content:
  mainstream narratives change at the drop of a hat sometime. until recently people didn't even care and then overnight its a major political issue and obsession on twitter


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 20:36:25
content:
  which caused the resurgence of old arguments that had already been hashed out on the bitcointalk forums like a decade ago


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 20:38:03
content:
  tinfoil hat time: I feel the wave of crypto articles that all came out at the same time criticising the energy usage could be governments wanting to posture the public against something they eventually want to ban


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 20:50:14
content:
  This is off topic but yeah we should go back to the stone age then. If we manage to maintain such a high quality of life it's not by some genius progress. Everything we achieved was the result of our massive consumption of energy. People want to reduce enrergy consumption without reducing their quality of life. That's a joke at some point.

  The famous ecological / energy concerns are really getting some hypocrite uses


type: message
date: 2022-03-13 21:19:24
edit_date: 2022-03-13 21:25:43
content:
  The whole mainstream ESG consensus is nonsense, and we are seeing the effects of that policy on reduced energy security now with Russia-Ukraine. Realistically, natural gas and nuclear are our only options to reduce carbon emissions while maintaining current standards of living and economic activity. EROEI on solar and wind are nowhere close where they need to be. 

  So ya..i dont take seriously any of the MSM ESG criticism against crypto. It's all bullshit. That's not even mentioning the bad faith fallacy in targeting crypto for energy usage but no other activity.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 01:20:39
content:
  Reactant deleted his twitter. He was getting legal threats like "cant wait to take your house from you"


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 01:23:24
content:
  of course people are going to be upset when they witness someone trying to sleazily scam people like Neos team is.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 01:24:49
content:
  but legal threats and people's financial wellbeing arent really adequately summed up with "peeps be emotional"


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 01:29:54
content:
  yeah, he's been getting threats but also in the discord people have talked about how they can get revenge somehow


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 01:51:41
content:
  saying the plugin in the way to make "everyone happy" as if he's ever talked in good faith to anyone who cares about NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 04:42:34
content:
  For plugins etc I was thinking, if NCR is supposed to be a base currency for multiple environments outside of just neosVR you'd want to develop a fast simple API that allows for adding it as the currency and for expanding to future options down the road like nft potentials etc. There are a lot of people who keep mentioning ncr going beyond neosvr.  Finding a way to do that integration earlier rather than later seems like the smart move.   Kind of the "eat your own dogfood" mentality that companies in the hosting industry did by putting their websites on their own systems to show efficacy.   But as a lot of people have also pointed out I over think things.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 05:34:27
content:
  ncr isnt made for other environment which is the hard part. making API is a minor problem here.

  hmm im not sure I understanded right, but there are tokens that acts as mother currency in many p2e games. It needs very strong partnership between them. 
  NCR doesnt have any power now but being a universal currency between multiple metaverses is really indeed facinating idea.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:02:43
content:
  yeah they are ideologically fueled. When they can do that it makes it easy to justify fucking over thousands of people


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:04:52
content:
  thats a good point. I don't know of he sold all then though. Or even if he sold or was just saying that he did to save face


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:06:37
content:
  either way if he sold I don't think he turned his back on the holders or maliciously told then to hold. I think many of us were nieve to think the devs might want to treat us well


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:07:33
content:
  Its really strange, like “hi sir, I have an idea and I want support to bring it to life”
  Me “ok lets do this”
  Months later “loooooool look at you losing money you capitalist $@#%


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:08:57
content:
  I think its stupid that purposefully inflamatory trolling speech was called "opinion" and allowed to fester in the discord


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:09:47
content:
  Its a shame, look idk fully what is going on behind the scene but so far I see Karel trying to fix what is happening and start on a better term but keeps getting shutdown by the team and the community and with the same breath they accuse him of not trying to fix it, makes no sense


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:11:41
content:
  it seems like disagreements with two specific devs turned into a "youre with us or against us" internal movement


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:11:48
content:
  Besides that there are mods who left cause they saw the inside job orchestrated against ncr, things are starting to add up, honestly I was very angry at froox but after the clarification it seems that there were other people pulling froox to do what he did, at first he rejected but now.. you see what is happening


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:13:37
content:
  He's never said anything simple like "to all NCR holders dont worry I have your back" or anything like that I can find


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:13:47
edit_date: 2022-03-14 07:01:35
content:
  From my understanding there are certain groups who dont want neos to be a place for everyone, this is not good for them on the long term and neos will just fade into irrelevance and most likely die out


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:14:14
content:
  like something inbetween the constant passive aggressive attitude of the devs and outrise shitslinging of the community


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:17:49
content:
  Its fine, no one will say anything about it, people gravitate towards what they like and they will find their groups, but this mob mentality of don’t let anyone else enjoy it is really killing neos, when you make a world where people can do anything and be anything you dont shut people down for doing exactly that


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:19:34
content:
  Thing is theres a mix of contradicting info being shared and some just stick with one narrative before seeing the full picture or verifying the facts


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:20:47
content:
  I dont think they see it as gatekeeping but I have been asked repeatedly "do you even play VR?" like some gotcha where theh think I'm only in it for money. And anyone who is only in it for money it should be clear that is perfectly fine. Members pf thr devs and mods should have been open about that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:22:33
content:
  I know many kind furries from other sites like flist but I have felt an outsider in places like SL and othrr RP communities. I should rephrase. Furries are not insular... small online fandoms are


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:23:31
content:
  Man I hopped in to check neos out (I’m not a frequent vr user) I was welcomed by a furry mod and aside from the licking he was very helpful, showed me around, taught me cool stuff and introduced me to couple of devs, it was nice and no one shamed the other, no one cared to do so, so its not out of the ordinary for everyone to go along with others, its this premeditated hostility that is just ruining it


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:23:53
content:
  I dont think that is the major issue though. It is bad timing as most young people hate crypto and NFTs etc. So they see the people they hate inside their chat and want to engage them. I think this carried over into how thr devs felt too.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:25:33
content:
  I understand. And I felt the hostile reactions made it worse and then I started being treated like one of those people just for the pump. From the moment I opened my mouth.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:26:41
content:
  yeah, openseas is a platform causing much grief and I will agree the art NFT hype is mostly nonsense


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:28:50
content:
  I wish people realized many of those to-the-moon types are not native english speakers and tend to be not very well educated...


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:42:13
content:
  and also if you are one of the people defending crypto there you have 7 or 8 people @ ing you with angry messages you have to defend against


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:43:12
content:
  you buy into something on a friendly website and then the community is attacking you.. it feels really wrong.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 06:46:47
edit_date: 2022-03-14 09:57:23
content:
  Devs were saying sometimes "the issue with Karel isnt related to NCR" several times. That got people to hold waiting to hear more. We had no concrete idea they wanted to remove NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 08:45:41
edit_date: 2022-03-14 09:03:22
content:
  I've been running a startup for 5 years and had a similar experience to karel. I will tell the story based on my experience. I've seen in this case the typical early members who ruin startups. They are usually 1-2 out of 10 people and they are very resistant when a startup gets an investment or when a company upgrades to a successful business. 
  Usually, they try to block the growth of the company because of their greed, find out the company's weaknesses and attack them. And they spread bad things about the company, and they put company members on their side. And they offer the company a deal.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 08:48:12
content:
  Interesting, from your experience what was the idea behind blocking the growth? I understand the greed part but what makes them hinder the growth if growth is what causes the company to be come more profitable?


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 08:48:37
content:
  I heard that karel fired one person at the end of last year. Crucially, that gave them a plausible reason for the strike, and it seems they're getting other employees to join in kicking out karel. Of course, there will be many personal reasons for each. However, in the case of NeosVR, it is absurd that the CTO is on their side, not the CEO. And the way they're trying to kick the CEO out would be terrifying. This is a very rare case.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:02:35
content:
  neos case is interesting.. cus they dont want profit. i dunno why.... some kind of negativity at capital


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:05:09
content:
  they want money too. Thats just feel good posturing that furries and children like to hear. Karel is the moneyman and everyone else are the "creatives"


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:05:57
edit_date: 2022-03-14 10:15:14
content:
  they were PISSED at Karel buying NCR with ETH. they wanted the ETH but didnt want to accept any NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:06:47
edit_date: 2022-03-14 18:01:44
content:
  I said the company's growth, but I'd be more precise about the company's sustainability. The CEO strives for the sustainability of the company, even if he makes mistakes. But they are not interested in it, they are only interested in what they want to do and their salary. Every company has rules to follow. Even if you don't fill out an out-of-company NDA, you shouldn't do things that common sense shouldn't do. However, in order to achieve their goals, they spread bad words both inside and outside the company by any means and methods.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:07:47
edit_date: 2022-03-14 10:16:16
content:
  It is unacceptable for any reason to damage the company's reputation by spreading internal affairs outside the company.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:08:52
content:
  The most important thing is that historically, Karel and Frooxius would agree on big decisions, but since November, his decisions became unilateral very frequently.

  There were major grievances in December. 
  - Unpaid devs requesting pay and getting accused of blackmail (Karel agrees on this one). 
  - Karel unilaterally decided to spent $40m on buybacks instead of putting money into development. 
  - Karel unilaterally decided to end the ICO with staking.
  - Karel unilaterally deciding to fire Nexulan & Frooxius didn't find out until patreon meeting.
  - Karel unilaterally deciding to hire someone outside the company, instead of giving a contract to a current team member (noone on the team has contracts)


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:09:55
edit_date: 2022-03-14 18:07:07
content:
  I have asked the staff twice not to run harmful bulletin boards as there are many newcomers to the neosvr discord. But they didn't listen to me and poured out very harmful comments about the company. If you think of neosvr, it should never be like this.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 09:16:08
content:
  They're both cofounders. It's just a case that pre NCR spike Frooxius had his hands on the steering wheel, but post spike Karel had wrestled his hands onto the steering wheel.
  Hence why Frooxius moved out of Karel's mom's attic in December.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 10:21:13
content:
  I'm not being sarcastic, I don't believe for a second at least some of Frooxius inner circle isn't thinking long term and the potential financial gains of this move


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 10:27:52
edit_date: 2022-03-14 10:28:30
content:
  Karel foud a way to save the company while preventing the loss of ownership and leader ship. But that is still not enough for them, they don't care 🤯🤯


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 10:29:30
edit_date: 2022-03-14 10:29:50
content:
  i mean... they dont have revenue stream. Kick Karel out and even when neos get to thrive, dev got nothing. Unless they blackmail for their IP again


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 10:34:21
content:
  They don't need much revenue right now, they got enough funding from Patreon. Neos is still pretty much a product in beta development, if at that even considering the amount of features missing and how vast the roadmap is. What amazes me always is how short term people think


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 11:01:13
content:
  Earlier this year, I posted an article on the neosvr community looking for a project developer, and I was hoping to start a business with neosvr soon. But now the situation is very disappointing. 
  I also introduced neosvr to a professor at a university because I appreciate its potential as an educational tool. As you can see, neosvr is easier to build results than unity or unreal, and I think it is very suitable for students who want to learn how to simply create avatars and organize 3D spaces on a metaverse. I was mainly in the software development business, but I found that there is a lot of real demand in the education field. So, I also asked someone in the Neos community to give a lecture at school. But now I can't proceed with this any more. It has become very difficult for me to do business with this very potential project now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 11:22:09
edit_date: 2022-03-14 12:40:45
content:
  But I do know that karel is struggling to keep the project alive despite many difficulties. I hope karel and froox do not delay any longer and come to an agreement. I am at a lot of loss as an ncr holder, but more important than this is the business opportunity with the neosvr project. I don't want to miss this opportunity. 
   
  I think there are more business opportunities in BtoB and BtoG business than in game user-oriented BtoC business. In particular, BtoG business can generate profits right away without UI/UX modification. If neosvr operates normally, we can proceed with two business models right away. I want to expand various business opportunities with neosvr in my country. I am eagerly waiting for the new start of neosvr.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 11:28:47
content:
  Several universities are receiving a large amount of budget from the government to build a metaverse education system as a future leading project, and I am receiving a proposal from the university for education on metaverse content creation. In particular, professors and college students majoring in design are very interested in building metaverse spaces easily with visual scripts such as logi-x without having to learn difficult grammars such as C# and C++ of unity and unreal.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 11:31:22
edit_date: 2022-03-14 13:49:01
content:
  Neos is at its core a metaverse for everyone - and that's still the core mission of Froox , Karel and the absolute majority of Neos Creators., Those Creators that aren't very vocal on discord or telegram because they spend their lifes building worlds, applications, arts , businesses, doing research etc. etc. 
  We shouldn't fight amongst eachother - it's about all our futures and our habitats and so it should be one big "US"
  US, who want a free space away from big tech giants that attempt to control our lives and habits. 
  US, who want to do our stuff, be it hanging out with our tribes, playing cryptogames or building the foundations of a free metaverse. 
  US,  pulling on the same string, regardless if we have the same believes or not, so we can all build our homes, spaces and digital selves in freedom and harmony.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 11:33:20
content:
  Yes I think the process to reach an agreement will not be short. However, I think karel will give feedback during negotiations.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 14:05:03
edit_date: 2022-03-14 19:49:33
content:
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-walt-disney-robert-iger-heads-to-the-metaverse-11647259201

  The sad reality of this situation is that there is a major industry-wide push to invest in creative social platforms with virtual goods marketplaces. Neos was really the first of its kind in VR, but unless the company is able to quickly move forward as a united team hyper-focused on competing with the larger offerings, I worry they will lose their first-to-market advantage. As Andrea said - I'm pessimistic but hopeful.


type: message
date: 2022-03-14 15:34:54
content:
  Neos is decentralised, that in itself sets it apart from all these big business trying to do their own metaverses


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 02:31:48
content:
  A decentralized Metaverse is ideal on paper but in reality, platform accessibility for end-users is always the most critical factor for platform traction - especially early on.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 02:57:49
content:
  Decentralization is the future and goal, so from the beginning, base layer should be well designed.  Though in early days like now, centralize servers is inevitable.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 04:25:02
content:
  Hi Luckoo, can you please DM me with details about your university lead and business idea? Neos is definitelly a great platform for education sector, in fact we work with several schools and insitutes here in the Czech Republic and worldwide. As Konrad said, Neos is a metaverse for everyone at its core. 😊Many thanks.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:17:11
edit_date: 2022-03-15 05:34:12
content:
  If you guys are actively looking for educational institutions to get in touch with I can give you contacts of admins in Paris-Sorbonne (Abu Dhabi)


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:36:50
edit_date: 2022-03-15 05:46:37
content:
  Remember Frooxius said
  "– I had a place to live, food and some equipment, so my expenses were almost non-existent. This was considered “salary” a number of times by Karel, but with finances controlled by him (original VC funding, Patreon and other invoices go to Solirax CoreDev s.r.o.), I was dependent on him."

  He said this, and Karel agreed that it was true, although obviously damaging to his reputation and NCR's value


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:40:49
content:
  Isn't it sad that a codirector, cofounder couldn't gain financial independence when Karel had 10s of millions of dollars in ETH?
  ETH that was promised would go to development, but ultimately almost all went to buybacks without Frooxius' consent


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:49:37
content:
  But yes, now that you mention it, Karel's defense largely hinged on the notion that Frooxius owned 42% shares. Which is a non-starter argument, because Frooxius wanted to move out of Karel's mom's attic and pay his own rent. Shares can't pay rent.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:52:57
content:
  Hi Kindi, that sounds very interesting indeed, thanks. 👍Possibly would not approach them just at this point, but once the situation settles a bit more, we should be definitely pro-active in this sector - and it will be awesome to have links into an institution like this. Many thanks☺️


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:57:24
edit_date: 2022-03-15 13:59:32
content:
  https://twitter.com/Jako_Enki/status/1503538395032739840
  Read this experience of Karel's misuse of ETH.

  Karel - The best thing you can do to make this misappropriation of mint ETH right, is to convert as much NCR to fiat as possible and actually do something with the money that benefits development, as you claimed it would.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 05:59:00
content:
  I mean froox is a 42% share holder, and he should use legal weapon if he's sure karel's acts undermine the company.  Not only discuss some poor saraly.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:06:06
content:
  To be clear 
  "– I did request actual salary in the past so I could live on my own, but this was met with hostility, accusations and unreasonable expectations"

  Frooxius made this statement. Karel agreed that it was true (although he was obviously upset about how it might be misconstrued). But its still a factual statement.

  Karel intentionally made it hard for Frooxius to get a salary. So yes, he could use legal action. But he'd need time and funds. Legal action isn't simple.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:06:52
content:
  got 1600 eth to spend for dev. If he uses this money for now, it will be sufficient enough. 
  If he doenst use this eth for business, that will not be accepted to many ppl.

  After this settles down, NCR will be much higher than now. making NCR fiat now isnt a good option for now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:12:42
content:
  Right, that would mean he has $4m worth of ETH. Instead of $64m. Since he threw away $60m of it into a speculative token. Which is money that can only come back if there's someone stupid enough to buy NCR. Why would anyone buy NCR when Karel failed to fix the Frooxius salary problem back in November at the initial price spike?


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:13:21
content:
  Raise investment from $ncr, is key to neos, it's obviously. No money, no future, and there are many competitors. If neos want a success, have to raise fund by $ncr or legacy VCs.

  Holder buy $ncr in the concept of invest, as invest, the expectation of profit is reasonable.  If $ncr can only be used to buy service from neos, neos will never raise so many eths.   

  Karel's buyback, is financal action, it's only related with investors and company shareholders. That means, only Karel, Froox and $ncr holder have the right to discuss buyback is rational or not.  Dev team can only choose stay or leave, but don't have the right valuate company's actions.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:17:15
content:
  If Karel makes NCR fiat, that is called rugpool. which is not an option. Karel believe in NCR to have much more value later. Actually, there are many who have hopes and u really dont know. 
  There can be Metaverse hype again, who knows?


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:17:30
content:
  Stop talking about the future. In November Karel had $64m ETH, and going forward had conflict with developers. Instead of using ETH to resolve conflicts, especially with his upset cofounder, who moved back into his mom's place in December, he decided to buy into a speculative token, that only has value because of hype about the future. A future that will definitely never ever come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:18:31
content:
  Don't worry, I'm not talking about the Dev team. But Karel ignored Frooxius, and unilaterally made buyback decisions, against his will.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:20:47
content:
  It's not a rugpool. The whitepaper says the purpose of the token is to fund development. It would be done to fund development, therefore not a rugpool.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:22:04
content:
  Yeah, I know. I'm kind of pointing out how stupid it is to put all your money into something that has zero liquidity.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:23:09
content:
  Buyback happens when the owner thinks it is super underrated.
  It turned out to be wrong decision now, but he kind of didnt know this drama will come to this place.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:23:25
content:
  If I'm karel i would have sold some eth for 5millon cash and deliver to dev team.  But now, keep quarreling is useless.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:23:41
content:
  I really don't trust him, considering his decisions. As I invested ETH, having been told it would go to development, I'm pissed.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:24:51
content:
  What? A price drop justifies buybacks?
  Buybacks aren't justified to begin with. For them to be justified, Karel will have to first solve the problem of Froox' salary.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:26:22
content:
  How dumb for a person to miss the hatred of the team working under him. Can this man be trusted with any future projects? I don't think so. Considering Frooxius moved out due to drama, he should have immediately stop hype and buybacks.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:28:43
content:
  Share buybacks, and buying a speculative token are two different things. It's a huge speculative bubble. There's no underlying marketplace


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:29:41
content:
  Right. Assuming everything is going smooth with development, maybe, but from Karel's perspective, he should have known. Or he's clueless and unfit


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:31:00
content:
  I'm here to ask Karel to sell his NCR, because that's the only way the ETH I used to mint it can be given meaning. I don't care about my bag anymore. I just want NCR to die correctly.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:36:00
content:
  I'm not Karel. You're not Karel. But if you put yourself in his shoes, he's made decisions that should strip him of the right to be a CEO.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:37:11
content:
  Remove $ncr now is impossible, because it will ruin the Solirax, and would affect neos obviously.  It's also impossible for the dev team to start a $ncr free version without Solirax's permission.

  So why not make consensus as soon as possible.  Dev team help Karel build a $ncr eanbled neos metaverse,  as a return, team get independent and Solirax pay money to them.  Of course, it's not something as SARALY. As the copyright, i think both sizes share the previous codes, and codes developed after hard folk, will owned separately.

  If consensus reached, treasury's value will restore, and it's enough for Karel to pay them well.  Maybe Karel is untrustful but contract can be made.


  If things like now continues,  quarreling with previous things endlessly, no one here will get positive results, include dev team.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:39:53
content:
  I'm sure you can imagine that. But I can't. I think its a fantasy. Not going to happen. If Karel made huge mistakes in the past, he will continue to make huge mistakes going forward. So, I've given up on NCR recovery. I do think its dead.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:41:13
content:
  I will be very happy if the $4m ETH is spent on development as promised to minters. If only I had hope....


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:42:48
content:
  Karel and Froox are both at fault. Just keep going in circles trying to blame one or the other. They both whiffed a billion dollar opportunity.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:44:20
content:
  In my view, all the 4m$ eth should send to dev team, under the compromise and siging of some contracts.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:48:24
content:
  I know you think that's a good point of negotiation. But in my view, the team view Karel as so very incompetent, that they'll hate to make any compromises at all. Except maybe to turn NCR into a plugin.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:49:24
content:
  I am being realistic. This dev team will never work with Karel again. The only hope for this project long term is for Karel to gain control of the code or the parties agree to fork, and Karel starts over with a new team and set things up the right way.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:50:34
content:
  I know. But Karel's compromise would be to kill NCR. The team's compromise would be to allow Karel to make a plugin as a 3rd party.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:51:02
content:
  This dev team has shown you time and again they either don't care about NCR or actively despise it and crypto in general. Believe them.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:52:38
content:
  Personally, I think even if Karel wins at court, he'll repeat the same mistakes in his next project. You can't run a project if you love your investors and sit with them in a echochamber, while ignoring your devs.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:53:34
content:
  Current divergence most lies on:  Crypto guys think the combination with $ncr and neos will make huge success, and make Karel, Froox and dev team and holders be rich.  But dev team and Froox can't believe in Karel anymore, and would rather have tight days without $ncr than risk in an adventure  with Karel still in control.

  So how to bridge this gap, need wisdom of both Karel and dev team.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:55:12
content:
  Put money to where? Not the current dev team. And new dev team is putting cart before the horse until IP dispute is resolved.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:58:51
content:
  "can't believe in Karel anymore". Why should they? In November he seized unilateral control of the project and yet wouldn't give a cut of the fat ETH wallet to his team. Hard to trust a guy like that, right? Maybe they wanted to get rich, but Karel was just too incompetent and acted untrustworthy.

  Your thinking is based on speculation of NCR price rise. Team's thinking is based on reality of "none have contracts", "some are unpaid", "cofounder has no salary".


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 06:59:03
content:
  Kibbles, don't take this the wrong way, but ive never seen your name in any of the chats and we have had 🐍🐍 from the discord come in here deliberately under fake names trying to act "neutral" but really to spread FUD and constantly repeating the 3rd party solution. So I'm taking everything you say with a huge grain of salt and suggest everyone else do the same.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:00:26
content:
  I feel a grievance toward Karel because when I minted my NCR, I believed the ETH was going to development. He indicated that it would, but never specified "development' = "buybacks"


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:02:14
content:
  I stat the fact, that dev team didn't trust Karel.  But you repeating the reason cause it in your view.  It is out of the question, and  quarreling such things, is  NO USE to solve problem.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:02:28
edit_date: 2022-03-15 07:02:38
content:
  Yes the current dev team. When I bought my NCR, that's where I thought it would go. I trusted Karel, but was stupid. I don't care if they're furries or whatever, I just want this mistake corrected


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:07:43
content:
  And you want to ruin Karel meanwhile drag everyone be buried with the dead?  If Solirax insist, foorx can't start a new neos.  The only thing leave will be endless law suit.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:08:42
content:
  I don't remember that. What I do remember is Karel saying to me in DMs... Actually I'll check to get the quote right... "thank you so much for minting so much NCR. We couldn't  develop Neos without awesome supporters like you."

  Okay, this is a DM from Karel, it encouraged me to mint more NCR, because I believed I was critical to development. Bullshit.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:10:27
edit_date: 2022-03-15 07:11:08
content:
  I'm astonished, that someone with hatred, would rather both Karel and Froox get bankrupt, and $ncr go to ZERO, and neos come to an end.  To cure their wounded heart...


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:15:05
content:
  The folks who have never been able to keep away and can't bear to see the crypto folks have their own space for discussion


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:19:16
content:
  Random new name that's never been in the chats but somehow knows and repeats all the same talking points from the discord.... hmmmmm


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:35:54
edit_date: 2022-03-15 07:35:59
content:
  That makes sense. I figured Karel's stance on minting as being critical to development was widely enough known such that my history with Karel would be super unsurprising.  If people can understand that I believe in this game and I feel I was deceived, then they'll understand why I want Karel held accountable for lying about how the ETH was used.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:48:03
edit_date: 2022-03-15 09:03:12
content:
  Look, I don't know about whether they'll go bankrupt, so you're suggesting my opinions based on the assumption that I've researched their finances.

  To be clear: I want the game to succeed. That's not to say I didn't have hopes for NCR. Actually, I only just lost my hope today. Now I believe NCR is dead, purely because of Karel's mishandling of it.
  But my hope is that even without NCR, the game will receive necessary funding.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:53:26
edit_date: 2022-03-15 07:53:35
content:
  Also, your concern about my motives is clear, but I present you with facts about the drama that you were not aware of previously.
  For example, I corrected your claim that Frooxius owning shares means that he has no valid reason to seek a salary. Good to keep your information factual.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 07:58:01
content:
  And as for motives, my motive is to communicate to Karel, that I have a grievance, as someone who sent him ETH in the past, based on the lie that ETH supports development.

  It's not balanced if only anti Frooxius NCR holders are talking to him.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 09:08:13
content:
  Don't waste hours on trying to cause more divide, not good for you mate. Even though you might have a lot of freetime, don't waste it


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:23:21
content:
  You think so?
  I genuinely believe it's the reverse at this stage. Karel runs NCR, and has been mismanaging it. NCR has become like a cancer in the game, and everyone thinks it needs to be cut out. Why not just use ETH or some other crypto token?
  It would be great if someone other than Karel ran NCR, but his historical ties to it makes it seem unlikely anyone competent would offer to do that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:25:06
content:
  Technically the reduction in Patreon funds is a combination of -
  a: People that bought Patreon for the NCR bonus, and don't want it anymore
  b: People that don't like Karel because he's incompetent as a CEO


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:29:01
content:
  Is that how it came off? From my perspective, I'm just explaining why NCR is a dead token using the facts available.
  Okay, there's opinion in there too. But I'd love to hear your case for why a newcomer should want to pay market rate for NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:33:33
content:
  You already have your side chosen and are clinging hard to it, no fact, other perspective or anything really, can throw you off from it so no point in it. Keep touting ncr is dead coin, but don't waste hours of your day on it


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:35:17
content:
  I wonder what gives me the motivation to express these grievances. You suggest because I'm pushing for divide. But it's more the fear of delusion. I want to get to what is true and what isn't. Have statements in this Telegram deluded Karel, or has Karel deluded this Telegram? Is it a combination of the two?
  In any case, I hope that by presenting a more objective analysis of what's going on, Karel will be more likely to recognise that he was a failure of a CEO, and that he killed NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:37:52
content:
  But there aren't really two sides at the end of the day. Or rather, their aren't two valid side. If one side is truth and the other delusion, then there's no point acting like choosing truth makes me biased.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:39:29
content:
  I agree. It's not realistic to think I can change the outcome, but to understand the reality more accurately can't hurt.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:41:02
edit_date: 2022-03-15 10:41:45
content:
  Well you've gone off the rails on your journey it seems but it's fun how you're trying to portray yourself as a neutral seeker of truth 😅


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:41:22
content:
  When all you're doing is driving your agenda, like the echo chamber in discord has been for 3 months now


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:48:11
content:
  Yes. I am driving my agenda aren't I? Trying to put a magnifying glass on my own grievances, without considering those of others. 

  And I don't dispute your calling the discord an echo chamber. Rumours fly around, but that doesn't mean hard facts can't be established.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:51:55
content:
  Could you summarize all your researched hard facts in one message with bullet points for us all to see? Let's see what you got


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:53:26
content:
  Seems someone empty his $ncr, then add fuel to the flames.  Don't piss Karel off, it won't bring any positive effect for neos and everyone else.  Karel is CEO, and if Solirax take a long law suit, nobody can have a happy end, except those who want neos totally ruined.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 10:57:50
content:
  Tease Karel is not a funny thing, maybe you are not sure whether he can bring neos to success, but it's sure he can suspend neos and no one can do anything further.  And froox will in a tight life for a long time also.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 11:06:00
content:
  It's obvious seperation is unavoidable, so why not let us help Karel, Froox and dev team, focus on work out a solution, gap the disagreement, and reach a win-win consensus as soon as they can.  And save both $ncr and original neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:49:23
content:
  I think people dont realize that with startups, people dont really always get the luxury of a salary. especially when the company isn't even making a profit yet or has a working business model.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:50:11
content:
  it seems froox relies on this idea when people say him getting free room and board is considered salary.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:51:03
content:
  I think the "salary" part is just a miscommunication or maybe some argumentative talk... and secondly I think years of free rent is not something to scoff at.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:55:38
edit_date: 2022-03-15 15:55:53
content:
  But that is all irrelevant as he was held "hostage" to produce all that code, at least how the dev team thinks of it now


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:56:06
content:
  guess its up to interpretation. I do take issue with it being considered so horrible though, but I guess that's because I feel Ive been in much harsher situations and the exaggerated reaction feels coddling abit


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:59:04
content:
  I just don't understand why both parties decided to destroy this once in a life time chance to be a market leader in something. Like becoming that big tech company running the one and only metaverse that can hold a candle to what Oasis was in Ready Player One


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 15:59:44
content:
  Metaverse Maker Competition 2022 - Legal Competition Rules
  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t3_Bwzb5nzqoYZhR2vTrYChICsM5s-Sx9vs3UwmgdY8/edit?usp=sharing

  Metaverse Maker Competition 2022 Registration
  https://forms.gle/tMnZon5zBaZuadL8A

  Metaverse Maker Competition 2022 Guide 
  For condensed rules and other important info
  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GqWXoWicAsgEw873Fp_FsujfQgwJ4stPD13QHCmi12k/edit?usp=sharing

  Metaverse Maker Competition 2022 Sponsor Guide
  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIbGmUDcOkzwmDp8Sjj-uoXxqYovefZptgtfpGYmQCs/edit#


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:00:21
content:
  In my short time interacting with the devs, they seem like they are full of themselves, very argumentative and love the smell of their own farts


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:01:19
content:
  group-think took over and also ideology where many devs want to be a part of the popular anti-crypto discourse.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:01:35
content:
  Too bad as a share holder in a company, no one can be simply kicked out of that company. The actual thing they could do is to step down and issue their shares to the other holder. But none of the two is going to do that


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:03:27
content:
  I think communication could have solved all of this. So I think issues were deep and honestly I think crypto related.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:06:27
content:
  I think maybe Karel came on too strong too, after the token's success alot of the devs were shocked when he hired Andrea and they felt an outsider was being brought in


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:08:04
content:
  Karels biggest mistake was not building more of a relationship with his core dev team and selling them on his vision for NCR


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:09:06
content:
  its hard to educate against the strong ideologies people have now. Many of the devs and furries in general have this attitude lile hating money makes them a good person


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:09:53
content:
  The staff I've seen on the Discord channel seem to be pursuing a totalitarian neosvr who wants total control.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:11:21
content:
  well NeosVR will either be a metaverse or it will be abother SecondLife with limits and some lindenlabs lording over it


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:12:20
content:
  They seem to believe that they are heading towards the Neosvr utopia  through the removal of karel and ncr.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:14:11
content:
  Hello everyone, here is my statement on the current situation. Thank you for your support, we'll get through this. 💛


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:14:35
content:
  They resist hiring new people and changing systems through huge capital inflows, and it seems that a few people are trying to monopolize the current power in neosvr


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:14:42
content:
  furries seem to be really obsessed with anticrypto drama and I think they think if they do this itll bring in this wave of furries wanting to support then


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:18:45
content:
  part of the issue was Karel started posting milestones and talking about hiring new people, and that upset them


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:20:23
content:
  yeah they kept changing it. Theyd say "that isnt the issue" but then complain about it nonstop and shill the complaint to their community


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:22:34
content:
  They didnt realize someone was in thr background with their sleeves rolled up working hard on the financials of everything


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:23:15
edit_date: 2022-03-15 16:23:53
content:
  On Discord, they seemed to be trying to manipulate public opinion in their own way. And it seemed that they were wrapping themselves up as people who were morally superior and didn't care about money.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:23:28
content:
  I wonder how they'll do, if they have no one to run their financials. I guess they hope for magic Patreon money, but they'll have to have a normal day job then


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:27:24
content:
  and that'd be fine but like children they think its OK to pull innocent token holders into this drama and discard them like stale leftovers


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:28:25
edit_date: 2022-03-15 16:31:11
content:
  the fact they are hand-waving away the fact theyre fucking over thousands of people really shows what their thoughts are like


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:34:14
content:
  if NCR is some third party disassociated joke of a token, it will go to less than a penny. that is certain


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:35:24
content:
  they know that but they want to peddle it like a trojan horse. They only want third party NCR becauss it means they have to make zero concessions. literally do zero work


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:35:51
content:
  I know karel and froox have dedicated several years to keep neosvr alive. Looking at the tweets from karel and froox, it was clear that they were going through a very difficult time. 
  However, the team members seem to misunderstand neosvr as having a large stake in it. They seem to believe they can control neosvr.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:38:27
content:
  I dunno. I wish they'd get over their petty drama and try to get along and have professional barriers. But at this point after how Ive seen everyone on the discord being treates, Id rathe Karel just take full control of NeosVR


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:41:34
content:
  they are overly willing to financially ruin people and shrug about it, so I don't feel bad if they lose the project they worked on


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:44:41
content:
  to correct you, I dont care about the token price day to day. I care that they are willing to drop us like garbage.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:46:39
edit_date: 2022-03-15 16:46:59
content:
  this isn't a case of poor investment or being financially irresponsible. its a case of NCR being sold for 4 years as a part of Neos and then to cravenly back out and point fingers like children


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:47:47
content:
  yeah. I mean I thought they could hide it better but in recent days they've gone full mask-off about it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:53:01
content:
  I want to make this analogy. They were like dictators, with a powerful weapon called neosvr code in one hand and a public opinion control tool called discord in the other hand trying to get rid of all who interfered.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:57:50
content:
  I think neosvr is very good, but just because they contributed some code to make neosvr shouldn't be a monopoly on neosvr. They wanted to get rid of karel, left reactant who contributed a lot to neosvr, and rejected many people who invested in neosvr favorably.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 16:58:20
edit_date: 2022-03-15 17:03:49
content:
  I think "dictators" is too strong...imo they are just acting like spoiled children. They had someone take care of all the administrative and financial shit while they developed their toy game in their free time. And then NCR pops off out of nowhere, giving Karel more leverage to voice his opinion on development and project runmap. And they threw a hissy fit that this "outsider" was telling them what to do. 

  As for the pay issue, we don't know how those conversations went. But from outsider perspective, I see the devs suddenly demanding pay after NCR price suddenly went up without ever caring or contributing to NCR for years (like developing a marketplace). Karel probably had his own demands in exchange for that pay given the new investor interest, and now they're calling it "hostility" from him. The same way they have maliciously mischaracterized every little thing Karel has said or done throughout this mess.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:02:24
content:
  Like these devs were sitting back and agreeing with and cultivating this crypro-hate channel in discord, basking in the comfort of popular opinion while throwing the funders under the bus


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:03:09
content:
  so when they start demanding money after sabotaging the very thing that produced it, it makes for an absurd scenario


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:03:58
edit_date: 2022-03-15 17:15:55
content:
  I am very disappointed to read your article. They seem to be very emotional, and they seem like people who do anything to achieve a purpose.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:05:56
edit_date: 2022-03-15 17:08:22
content:
  I remember Geenz throwing a fit publicly because Karel was trading ETH for NCR. It was obvious they REALLY wanted that ETH and wanted nothing to do with their project's native token.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:07:20
content:
  I was also angry about the ETH being traded for NCR (the buyback) as it was literally burning funding for Neos. At least what I thought


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:08:23
content:
  we don't know much but we know the meltdown happened really fast because I lookes at the December meeting leak and it looked surprisingly productive and Karel seemed aware of things that were happening and in control of his side of things


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:12:57
content:
  It was that and I think NCR whales in the discord could see commentary by the devs and started to think "the devs dont like their own token.. I dont feel comfortable holding this"


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:14:55
content:
  it was always in the back of my mind when I saw how the devs acted and rubbed shoulders with the community. I was always thinking NCR might be in reallu bad hands and that was the correct thought


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:33:28
content:
  I see quite the divided community. There is the community that avoids Neos, because there is crypto involved. Another community who just joined Neos because they have NCR. And another community, who doesn't care


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:34:33
content:
  I believe the team is very passionate about Neos. ☺️
  They have truly dedicated their life to Neos' cause in some instances and naturally for a lot of them, it is very hard to distinguish between work & leisure. 

  That can be unfortunately problematic as things can very quickly become personal. I know there is a lot of public shaming right now - largely coming from a place of emotion. I am not excusing that as this should be handled with much more professionalism but it is important to understand their perspective and motivations as it will be important in any negotiation. 

  This is not a winner-loser game. 
  We need to learn what that is which Frooxius and the team really want - what is their true motivation. That will make a deal possible and realistic. 
  It’s like that story of two kids and an orange - both kids wanted the orange, arguing, so eventually they split it, failing to realise that one wanted only the fruit to eat and the other only the peel for baking. 

  In this case as in many others, a deal is made possible because each side wants different things.
  The negotiation process can then ideally try to accommodate that. ☺️

  …We have a saying in Czech “vlk se nažere a koza zůstane celá” translated literally as  “to give to wolf his feed and keep the goat whole” - meaning - you try to arrive to a mutually pleasing solution without making much sacrifice. 🐐


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:36:15
content:
  He seems to be the one cursing karel. I responded to froox's tweets and he continued to slander karel in response to my replies.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:38:04
edit_date: 2022-03-15 17:44:03
content:
  It seems Neos team wants to make no compromises though. They are pushing terrible and lazy terms as the only solution they will accept.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:41:31
content:
  their lazy, ill-thought out "ncr will be a third party plugin" takes no effort from them and is certain death to all holders. They know its garbage terms and will lead to NCR going to zero, but they are trying to forcr it as the only solution


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:42:12
content:
  I am amazed at their obsession with karel. I just hope that there are few people like enkii n neosvr.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:45:36
content:
  NCR is a part of Neos, first party, and the devs have been trying to throw it in the dumpster like an unwanted baby


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:46:16
content:
  i found ncr at the first day of listing on coingecko was arround 0.30 then until i managed to arrange 5k the price went up to 9 already , i fomo in because i didnt wanted to miss the chance as i missed on cryptomines when i found it at 0.5 but every day went up 50% and waiting for a correctin that never came and the price in 3 month went to 800 per coin lol, so i entered in ncr at 9, today after all the drama and telenovela of the team the price is at 0.3 again and my 5k wort 200 dollars, so my question is why investors are not buy now at least 500 to get 10k + ?


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:47:56
edit_date: 2022-03-15 17:48:13
content:
  FOMO was certainly what the scammers abused to make some quick bucks and even Karel fell for it, when he issued the buy back. I really hope that this "re-investment" into NCR pays out in the future


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:50:20
content:
  for my opinion all this drama was created in purpose to sell their coins, dump the price and create panic in investors so the price dump more and they can buy all back again and make a big bag again, and by the way they get more liquidity for future exchanges


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:54:26
edit_date: 2022-03-15 17:55:29
content:
  People are very emotional. Karel and I, we both value everyone who has supported, bought NCR and still holds. Insane as it might seem right now. The team may have perhaps temporarily forgotten and now they are making our lives rather difficult, but they do not have the unilateral power to make that decision. So hence I remain calm and prepare for the future. Cause from that point it can only go up☺️


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:56:10
content:
  Yeah, I believe in you guys. Truly. In the leaked meeting notes I thought you were a natural fit with everyone. It seemed like an amazing meeting.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:57:14
content:
  Excuse me. I don't know if I can ask you this question, but is there any progress in the negotiations between karel and froox?


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:57:38
content:
  I will say this: I fully support a decision to go to court over it. I do not think the other side will offer worthwhile compromises.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 17:58:35
content:
  Its not my place to say, but I think many here also support and stand behind Karel fighting this to the end for the future we can all be a part of.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 18:00:04
content:
  They are drunk on hubris from their echo chamber. They don't want to bargain in good faith it seems.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 18:01:13
content:
  Oh all the meetings we amazing. Only they got gradually maybe "too amazing" hahaha. But in all seriousness. I was always treated nicely by everyone. And I had super high hopes. That is why I am very sad that it had to get to this point. But then again. It is what it is. You learn, you move on. Future is far too exciting to sit on Discord and moan about things. Do or die. That is what it takes 😁


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 18:04:46
edit_date: 2022-03-15 18:05:08
content:
  Thank you. We see that. And we absolutelly appreciate that. ❤️Every time I get a message from someone expressing their support, it makes me forget the whole ugliness of the situation and just focus on our mission.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 20:50:38
content:
  I recently re-bought my NCR position. For people who believe there is hope for this project, this is absolutely the time to get in. As Andrea said - it can only go up from here and I think it will with or without the blessing of the developers.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 20:55:04
content:
  I think it would be unethical for Neos to move forward without NCR, especially with how much the crypto community believed in the project and backed it financially. The ICO has been a foundational part of the project and was clearly supported by even Froox and the devs before the parabolic run in December. A quick scan through the Discord chatlogs corroborates that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-15 20:56:00
content:
  every person that understand crypto know this project have the potential to be on the top 100 coins, i also think is a good idea to buy now before the market goes up. and by the way you look cute with your customes, look like neos match the things you like. im in israel and here is purim tomorrow i am sure you will love this holiday. google purim in israel and you will see


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 00:42:53
content:
  If you're thinking of what I think you are, I posted a screenshot of my DM with Karel, & then deleted it after they said they were only interested in figuring out my discord handle


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:20:58
content:
  He first posted the screenshot without covering his avatar and then tried deleting. I saw it though lol


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:24:40
edit_date: 2022-03-16 06:06:53
content:
  What are they even talking about in discord at this point. Isn't it just a complete echo chamber now. Just going in circles about the same things...?


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:25:59
content:
  I dont look very often this was first time in days and they still on about it and shitposting in Karels name ofcourse


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:52:50
content:
  Other competitors are developing rapidly, and if neosvr doesn't resolve its internal conflicts, the future doesn't look good


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:55:25
content:
  Its a nice buzzword to use to try and get investors but at the end of the day very few ‘metaverses’ are actually a metaverse


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:57:34
edit_date: 2022-03-16 06:08:20
content:
  they want to be left behind. they don't want to be a market competitor, they want to be a clubhouse application for furries


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 01:58:35
content:
  The furries are such a small community yet they think they are Neos life and death, hardly, they’ll be ill forgotten in no time.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:00:44
content:
  Because they’re too busy being yes men to each other and saying their own bullshit enough times for them to belive it themselves


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:00:56
content:
  I wouldn't say small and I've no problem with them. I think in recent years they became one of the most combatative and argumentative groups online is all.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:01:32
content:
  Id have no problem with them if they weren’t always trying to shine a bad light on crypto and having a laugh at investors losses


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:01:50
content:
  When Tumblr lost users it seems the most toxic furries who like to spend all day arguing and fighting with people moved to twitter.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:02:28
content:
  Its sad because it's not because they needed to leave, but there were just no more NSFW artists for them to harass and hate on


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:03:47
content:
  It's like how their Discord ran everyone who was pro NCR out of the place, and when they ran out of people to argue with they started coming here to the TG to look for fights


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:13:37
content:
  It's not even so much that they're looking for a fight - I think that's actually died down for the most part - it's that guys like Kobu are coming in here under false pretense, acting like a "neutral" or someone who's also lost money on NCR, and then trying to spread bullshit talking points like the 3rd party plugin as a solution. Thankfully I think it's limited to only 1-2 individuals.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:18:02
content:
  yeah it's that. They target confused people who lost money on NCR and try to shill their narrative about Karel. It's a gaslighting campaign.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:19:41
content:
  Honestly, all the devs are running a gaslighting campaign. Being vague, not committing to any real facts about what went wrong.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:21:10
content:
  It works really well in the discord because the anti-crypto community is an affinity group and will literally believe anything that's said if it backs up their beliefs


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:24:18
content:
  It's a common PR tactic to be vague on your position, insist on private negotiations, and thereby force the other party into silence and inaction while you continue your campaign behind closed doors


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:25:32
content:
  Not that I credit them for being smart enough to do that deliberately - but that is in effect what happened. And obviously Karel got frustrated and start commenting publicly, which was definitely a mistake on his part, as it just gave further ammo to his detractors.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:35:43
edit_date: 2022-03-16 04:13:41
content:
  They would often deflect "NCR is Karel's thing, ask him about it" but when he would answer they would say he was making statements without the team's concent.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:37:17
edit_date: 2022-03-16 06:12:37
content:
  In addition to that, saying all 12 or so devs would need to sign off on any NCR decision Karel makes before he was clear... while maintaining that they have no responsibility or knowledge of NCR's side of things


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 02:38:48
content:
  seems like a force of hand situation, especislly when Karel was in negotiation for getting NCR onto exchanges


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 04:29:16
content:
  If ncr failed, neos will fail either. it's naive someone want karel lose everything, meanwhile dev team can continue neos freely and have a bright future.

  it's true team can destroy $ncr and karel. But karel can destroy neos either. 

  no one will get success by ruin somebody else.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 07:01:00
content:
  Frox was hostage, really? He had access to internet all the time, was eating at restaurants and was hostage at the same time?


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 07:25:53
content:
  Just out of curiosity, if Karel and Froox currently hold 42.5% of Solirax - who owns the remaining 15%? VC or is that shareholder equity?


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 07:35:39
content:
  I'd be curious to see what the articles of incorporation specify for voting rights. Even with 15% it's not uncommon for series A / angel capital to have a board seat with a vote.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 08:00:20
content:
  I remember there was a link shared of the company’s info on a British gov website but I can’t find it, it had the whole breakdown


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 08:56:45
content:
  It straight up pains me to see a scam metaverse like sandbox is moving forward while Neos is stagnant in the stupidest internal feud I’ve seen.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 09:47:00
content:
  With the difference that NeosB2B partners actually do useful and practical stuff rather than just buying land and putting ugly info points in the landscap


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 10:22:13
content:
  Karel did some good job in B2B development considering how small and underfunded they were at the time. With the funding and a potential team expansion, and the already impressive B2B portfolio, neos could have done even better.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 10:49:40
content:
  Not only Karel but also community Members and organizations working in, on and with Neos. NCR/CDFT are a great way to fertilize an foster all the efforts people put in. 
   It's a pity that this ingenious setup and role of NCR/CDFT went totally lost in the Crypto- good/evil feud.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:13:48
content:
  Companies like Millions of Us and Electric Sheep Company did really well commissioning builds for brick and mortar businesses in Second Life. I think Best Buy paid 6 figures for Geek Squad island.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:18:59
content:
  At the time we were still trying to figure out how to translate real world business into a 3D environment and it was incredibly clunky at times - and often ended up looking like a dystopian cityscape of advertising and static buildings. Some companies and universities learned that the power of the Metaverse is in its ability to foster communities and connect people from different interest groups, but others ended up with very pretty 3D buildings and no engagement or traffic. At the end of the day people are the killer app of these spaces.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:22:02
content:
  Someone always think they are clever than hedge funds, clever than VCs, clever than microsoft.   Microsoft and Temasek invest metamask today.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:24:26
content:
  Back in 2003/2004 Second Life was a very niche community of developers and makers - not unlike Neos right now. The traction really started happening when a marketplace of virtual goods emerged and demand for those goods increased. SL had several really important anchor communities that brought people in-world including furries, goreans, roleplayers, clubbers, etc. Linden Lab heavily catered to people running these communities early on and used to hold meetups at their office in San Francisco for the leadership. Definitely things that Neos could borrow a page from in the future. Subcultures and communities and the ecosystem of goods that emerges around them is the bread and butter of user content virtual worlds.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:25:03
edit_date: 2022-03-16 12:25:13
content:
  Whether you accept or not,  crypto is the future.  Metaverse will emerging, though we don't really know what will it looks like.  Do not fight Karel by anti crypto.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:27:39
content:
  If you don't exchange crypto to cash, why you will be taxed?  And if you don't make profit, why will have tax?


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:36:31
content:
  Imagin, I sell something in neos, the buyer use credit card, the money will go to Solirax, and they will pay tax, when they send these money to me, i will be taxed again.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:37:30
content:
  Even worse, cross-board transaction is very very expensive, if the quantity is 200 usd, i think finally i can only get 50$ in my bank card.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:40:13
content:
  You problem is not have too much relation with crypto.  To avoid tax, their can be some solutions.  I just said purely on crypto.   If you are talking about neos and $ncr, it's may appropriate to follow your suggestion rather than use $ncr or $eth as payment.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:47:01
content:
  Current neos' problem is really complex, for me it's difficulty to judge anything, we can only wait karel, froox and dev team to reach a consensus.  But even $ncr failed, I still beleve in crypto, though I don't known how will crypto tech evolve.  I still beleve in metaverse, though I can't even imagine now, what will the metaverse really like.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:48:05
content:
  It's insane if you think about it, even more so considering how much many years they've been on it already. Now at the most important moment they're wasting all those years away


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:48:50
content:
  I thought the two of them both are smart enough to realize it isn't worth it to fight over this and just focus on the future


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:55:47
content:
  Yeah, can't do anything other but I'm amazed with the situation. Two guys wasting their one in a million lottery ticket and 8 years of work just because they don't want to work together


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:57:16
content:
  I want to use neos in our project as a module, but now, I don't know who I should discuss the business with.😂


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 12:59:07
content:
  Aggree with this is a one million chance, but you know, people always have different views and ideas and feelings...


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 13:01:43
edit_date: 2022-03-16 13:02:52
content:
  Neos has a big chance of being overshadowed by the way bigger players in the market and many are working on their products as we speak, they can copy any features they want from Neos and have vast resources to play with. Sure, if Froox is happy with Neos being a niche product that only furries know of that's fine but I thought the aim here is bigger


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 13:51:32
content:
  More than ten days have passed since this statement.We would like to ask what is the situation now? In the attitude of being responsible to investors, we have the right to know some truth. Karel


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 14:10:19
content:
  0utsider, Aegis_Wolf, CanadianGit, Chroma, Dante, Frooxius, Geenz, Lacy-Bean, Nexulan, ProbablePrime, Raith, RueShejn, Ryuvi, Shifty, Theofilus the Folf, Veer .etc


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 16:40:44
edit_date: 2022-03-16 16:42:57
content:
  He's spreading bullshit everywhere. Twitter and Discord He's like a snake spreading poison everywhere. He doesn't want Karel and Frooxius to reconcile.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 16:48:03
edit_date: 2022-03-16 16:48:38
content:
  It happens most of the time when ppl don't feel bad in their life, so they want to extend that feeling or their actions are spreading it.

  I mean, if you enjoy your life, you can only wish good for everybody, or at the very least, you are not trying to provoke hate


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 16:51:02
edit_date: 2022-03-16 16:52:21
content:
  The recent events made me loose -90% of my position, even tho furries are mocking ppl like us and are acting in a very despicable way, I do not wish harm nor bad for them. I just don't get why they are so deeply committed to rub it in


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 16:57:45
edit_date: 2022-03-16 17:02:37
content:
  I hope that this dispute will end and that the project will see the light again, and I wish you all the best


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 17:02:34
edit_date: 2022-03-16 17:03:47
content:
  Thank you mate, I did not loose anything since I am holding, I still believe in the vision that Karel has for the project. It's just a matter of time. Things will be sorted out, one way or another. Our patience will be rewarded.


type: message
date: 2022-03-16 21:03:06
edit_date: 2022-03-16 21:03:18
content:
  I haven't seen the discord for weeks, first message I came across is this one, I mean its.. whatever ><


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 14:35:39
content:
  As Karel said, it's a complex situation that is going to take time to rectify. Even if there is a parting of ways between Karel and Froox, I trust that any separation deal would be done in the best interest of both Neos and NCR. I personally don't see Karel agreeing to anything other than a deal that is beneficial to both and keeps NCR relevant, even as a 3rd party component of Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 15:30:25
edit_date: 2022-03-17 15:34:40
content:
  While I’m sorry to see the price so low it is great for Neos to be able to get NCR this cheap in the long term


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 16:34:24
edit_date: 2022-03-17 16:38:03
content:
  if instead of buyback, why not creating a 1-sided V3 token (but 1% fees)? If people sell, they sell you cheap NCR and on top the team earn the fees. Just a random idea.


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 16:37:38
content:
  Not a bad idea, but considering how the team wants to get rid of NCR, another token may not be welcomed..


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 16:40:50
edit_date: 2022-03-17 16:41:29
content:
  when creating LP tokens in Uniswap V3, we have like 3 choices of fees. The NCR pairs have used the cheapest fee structures (0.05%). I see these fees used for stables swapping and highly liquid tokens


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 17:10:18
edit_date: 2022-03-17 17:36:24
content:
  All we need right now is cheers and support for Karel. He continues to buy back ncr while taking the blame from the damn team and being insulted by naive kids. As CEO, he endures and takes responsibility for all of this. 
  It's so hard for me to face reality every day. But I have hope because he is here. I believe Karel will bring good news in negotiations.


type: message
date: 2022-03-17 17:30:13
edit_date: 2022-03-17 17:34:23
content:
  A little bit of Thursday motivation. Happy St. Patrick’s Day to all of you!☘️💚Whether you’re Irish by blood or by heart or like me - don’t need an excuse to taste a good whiskey - well today is the perfect day …cheers😁🥃


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 08:18:08
content:
  Let's look at the current situation objectively,  
  1. The market estimates NCR at the level of $10 million. We think it is undervalued, but the objective evaluation of the market is like that. 
  2. There are many ppl against NCR. This includes Frooxius and his volunteers who suggests NCR to be 3rd party to have no value at all.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 08:18:18
edit_date: 2022-03-18 08:39:15
content:
  I want to suggest one option if the ongoing negotiations are not satisfactory. Im not sure whether this is even possible without Frooxius's consent, but I hope Karel can find some way by convincing Rothenburg.

  Solution: Series A Investment from Strategic Investor
  This will enable Solirax to become  professional company where there's no legal battle over ownership of Neos. This investment will bring balance for both parties. (The team will be hired and compensated for their contribution) 

  Just so you know, Rec Room raised $145M at $3.5B valuation last year. Solirax needs lots of help right now in every aspects, and its just my sci-fi opinion.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 08:51:16
content:
  well, its confirmed by many that Solirax Ltd. is in UK, which is a holding company of Solirax core S.R.O


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 08:52:27
content:
  Solirax S.R.O isnt sure how the share is divided, but I assume most of its from Ltd. (that's the sole purpose of this entity, having majority at least for Solirax S.R.O)


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 08:58:52
content:
  By realistic situation, it's difficult for $ncr restore price in a short time.  Karel can restart a neos metaverse, with neos be the basic module.  And store all neos metaverse data in another group of servers.  And with $ncr be native token with the neos metaverse.  

  Legacy neos can be runned by a new compay, with 50-50 in shares with carel and froox, but operated by froox and dev team.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 09:00:34
content:
  forking is another option which I agree also, but if forking is not negotiable - get funded from strategic partner and get help from them


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 09:03:57
content:
  I don't mean folking, just Karel's metaverse use neos(which will remove some parts) as vr base component. And build data storage, market, etc. independently.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 09:07:36
content:
  I thinks it's sure will have license fee.  Of couse, Karel can have some shares in froox's  new company.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 09:16:18
content:
  IF 3rd party gets involved actively, it will only decide whats best for "Solirax", not personal but objective.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 09:20:34
content:
  all we know about the discussion is

  Froox's side suggesting Karel to leave company with 3rd party NCR


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 09:25:31
content:
  Froox's community(not Froox) is claiming the code belongs to the code contributors cus they are not signed to anything 
  Karel is claiming the code belongs to Solirax which assumes Froox has signed somehow.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 10:04:01
edit_date: 2022-03-18 13:16:41
content:
  And I don't see a way to clean up the diverse IP for the time being, as the developers stand against giving up the rights on their contribution and unknowingly being against Frooxius by doing that


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 15:35:42
content:
  based on ryan's comments i saw in discord before i left, seems that this is just going to be another furry hit piece against karel


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 15:36:10
content:
  i even urged him to talk to folks in the telegrams to get another perspective, and as far as i know he hasn't made any attempts to do so


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 17:40:05
content:
  Hey can you not? Ryan isn't even furry and he's doing this out of his own time/judgement. It's his own endeavour and you being bigoted/ignorant to him isn't cool. He reports on all Metaverses out there.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:04:58
content:
  You can stop with your moralizing. I didn't attack him personally. I stated my opinion that his reporting has a biased perspective, and I'll continue voicing my opinion. And usage of the term "furry" is just shorthand to describe one of the sides of this dispute, just as you all liberally use the term "crypto bros" or "moon boys" in the discord.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:10:22
edit_date: 2022-03-18 18:10:50
content:
  That's fine, just chill with the ignorant takes, it's just not cool. The description is inaccurate, but oh well.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:13:50
content:
  "just chill with the ignorant takes" lmao - how frustrating it must be for you to not have your mod powers in here.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:18:46
content:
  I've never really needed them, funny how people think that they are so important. I will however call bullshit when I see it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:23:48
content:
  I try, and others do too, but it's a bit hard and requires everyone's involvement not just me. If you have issues please dm and we'll deal with it how we can.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:25:34
content:
  i know mods are trying hard, but after seeing reactant gone... this community is becoming more monster


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:26:25
content:
  and it is actually true that Ryan will get source from the discord mainly, which result is kind of obvious.


type: message
date: 2022-03-18 18:35:57
edit_date: 2022-03-18 18:36:47
content:
  btw, not sure when was the last time that a board member (patron) was available. But the last few days one has been open....


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 08:33:56
content:
  The state of the community, things that could be improved, UI/UX, etc. It was very platform-focused and NCR rarely came up.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:17:10
edit_date: 2022-03-19 10:50:42
content:
  I think right now it's incredibly important to clearly define ownership of the code. I believe that will play a big part in which direction Neos goes in the future and until then everything else is speculation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:25:43
edit_date: 2022-03-19 10:51:40
content:
  The devs have clearly stated that they won't work with Karel, but with him as a half owner, it seems the only two legal ways would be either a voluntary step-down or a majority vote, which in a 50/50 situation is still a voluntary step-down. Without contracts the devs are likely entitled to take the code they've written and re-form elsewhere as a different company, but I imagine Froox's code would be considered property of the company.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:28:44
content:
  Basically the devs seem very confident that they can remove Karel from the equation, but the only person that can remove Karel from the equation is Karel.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:33:51
content:
  Which gives him a negotiating bargaining chip. They want him to step down from Solirax, and he wants NCR as a component of Neos. I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive and it could result in a situation where NCR exists as a 3rd party component a'la Linden Lab's Tilia payment processor and everybody gets what they want.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:34:39
content:
  Everything the devs do seem to point in that direction. The way Froox has all the other devs or contractor friends of his sign on everything he says seems like legal advice


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:36:08
content:
  This is not an "everyone gets what they want situation" though. NCR isn't a payment processor and Linden Labs actually supports theirs, where as Neos wants us to fuck off and make a plugin that no one will use.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:37:26
content:
  You won't be able to give some NCR to a new player for example. I can't be like "here, buy yourself some avatar parts" like in SL I'll have to be like "um download this plugin that is a security risk, then set up a wallet etc etc"


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:38:26
content:
  There's no store. I don't see your point other than "NCR doesnt have a store yet so it shouldn't exist"


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:38:40
content:
  And that's nuance that would need to be defined in the terms of the agreement. It would need to be legally bound to NCR as a required component of the platform even as 3rd party. Again this is all speculation - but if I were in Karel's shoes I wouldn't agree to step down for anything less than that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:39:46
content:
  the games are structured completely differently though. You can't set up shop in Neos in the same way and buy directly in game afaik.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:41:15
content:
  I don't really get how anyone could think that a third party currency can work. It absolutely is a kiss of death and Karel would be a fool to accept those terms unless he's getting a fat payout in the negotiations.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:41:29
content:
  The truth is that the value of NCR in December was backed by the fundamentals of Neos itself as a response to the post-Meta announcement hype. It would be in the best interest of token holders to not divorce the two if we want to see that type of capitalization again.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:42:10
content:
  I see, but I guess there was a time in Neos where ALOT of people were buying NCR with the assumption it would be supported though, right?


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:43:48
content:
  and I don't really agree. NCR was thought of as being something integral, used for tipping, instant ingame purchases, etc. If it exists where it's a plugin that yoy have to go and seek out and thrn set up your own wallet, I think no one will use it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:45:33
content:
  At the time NCR as an investment made a lot of sense considering the 5-6+ billion dollar market caps of the competition like MANA and SAND. Neos was a better product with a team of industry veterans, and held the golden ticket to being a major player in the social VR space if things had worked out. I think a lot of people envisioned NCR with a multi-billion dollar market cap and it's why we saw the price movement that we did.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:45:39
content:
  I think NCR's functionality should be expanded, not reduced. And expanding its functionality is just impossible third party.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:47:28
content:
  yeah, and with support from the devs, even just the most meager of nods or slight assurance that they cared, I think it'd be top 100 and not just #3000 in total market cap


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:48:25
content:
  With the current players count, this speculation doesn’t seem far fetched, we can see these figures once Neos becomes accessible to a bigger platform and gains mainstream attention


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:48:53
content:
  However seems December was the moment things went to shit truly, and ro coincide with the attention the devs already decided they wanted to remove it long before the March 4th abnouncement


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:53:12
content:
  They revealed some of that. They said third party involves them not being involved in NCR at all, not associate with it, but legally allow Karel to make a plugin.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:55:58
content:
  Im merely saying thats how the market reacted. It wasn't "oh well atleast this drama will be put to rest" it was "oh theyre killing it."


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:56:44
content:
  Realistically there are too many variables to make assumptions right now. Without everything clearly pre-defined and contractually bound, there is a lot of gray area and room for legal interpretation with ownership and involvement. We likely won't hear anything until they've gone through the arbitration process.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:58:11
content:
  Basically the third-party terms gives Neos team everything they want with no compromise. They have bo obligation to write any code, get to dumpster the CEO thry don't like, and also legally wash their hands of NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 10:59:41
content:
  Right, but Karel would have hired someone to do that then. That's why Karel is actually important in all of this.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:00:23
edit_date: 2022-03-19 23:56:15
content:
  NCR was the house that was being built on top of an unstable interpersonal foundation - and that was never going to be sustainable. I think a lot of this comes from the token going parabolic long before they ever expected that level of growth and it ended up exposing a lot of issues that should have been addressed previously.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:01:02
content:
  And honestly there's no reason the devs couldn't hire a crypto dev or a few and adopt NCR along with the disallusion of Karel's involvement in the development of Neos imo


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:03:29
content:
  And I don't think therr's any clause in the NCR whitepaper or otherwise that says NCR has the right to disappear and scam you


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:05:02
content:
  I think the positive silver lining to this situation is that it's forced the company to re-group and handle a lot of these foundational issues that should have been addressed earlier. They've had to tear down to rebuild, and I'm hopeful that the company will emerge stronger after everything is sorted.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:06:28
content:
  I think it has to do with their environment. It seems that theyve developed into a toxic echo chamber. Ive seen all manners of socisl groups single out a guy and start gossiping constantly. It grows and grows but when you look at the actual complications they are reveales to be very minor.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:07:21
content:
  I think Karel was just the ubfortunate out-group person trying to be involved in a clique. I think in his mind he thought he could be the CEO people would admire, but it wasnt seen rhat way at all


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:10:56
content:
  I mean it's incredibly complex. I just see it leading to a better outcome than capitulating to very terrible terms.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:10:59
content:
  I agree. The furry fandom can be incredibly fraternal. While I don't think it's *the* factor, I think it's *a* factor in why Karel has been seen as somewhat of an outsider to the rest of the team. I see it happen a lot in Silicon Valley and LA. There is a lot of inter-fandom neoptism to the point where being a furry is almost seen as a career move in a lot of software development and IT circles.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:12:02
content:
  I know. I just wonder if Froox can legally force NCR to be removed like that after 4 years of selling it


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:14:32
content:
  Honestly they should have contracts made and get over their differences, everypne should swallow their pride and realize we're all human and Karel has done alot for Neos and cares about it. But I dont think that will happen, but bigger plot twists have happened.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:17:31
content:
  That's a bad scenario but the threat of it isn't something that should influence the negotiations or discussion


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:17:41
content:
  When I was working with Facebook/Meta on Horizon, the team had a huge developer turn-around. By the time the software was greenlit to go public, the lineup looked really different from when it was in internal alpha. Developers come and go, but the constant is the IP and the funding. At the end of the day, whoever is left standing with both of those is the owner of Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:20:10
content:
  I agree and this may be controversial but I do think the community has been gaslit into thinking Froox is a genius savant and Neos simply can't exist without him. Although I don't want to see him not involved with it anymore.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:23:15
content:
  Heh, there's good reason to feel that way, especially as an NCR holder, but I think Neos will likely be fine


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:23:44
content:
  worst case scenario for Neos I see playing out is that a better platform comes along and makes it irrelevent


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:24:41
content:
  Absolutely. With Philip Rosedale back at Linden Lab - Second Life VR could be an industry game-changer.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:26:05
content:
  I've had chats with Philip about VR and he doesn't think that the current state of VR is the future, but he's open to it. One of his concerns is being able to reach a broad demographic with HMDs.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:27:05
content:
  VR just isn't landing with the female demographic right now, and that wouldn't appeal to SL's current userbase lineup.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:28:05
content:
  But with that said - if Linden does move towards VR integration, they have 2 decades of rich content and a strong brand. There's enormous value in that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:30:04
content:
  Yeah the organic evolution of SL's UGC is what makes it special. The mainland is like a persistent uncurated burning man.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:30:57
content:
  Watching the world being built around you in real-time with people participating in shared spaces definitely makes it feel more like a virtual world and not just an empty unity level.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:33:33
content:
  part of what drove me to Neos is that I kept wishing VRchat had an inventory system like SL. And part of what made me want crypto to be a part of these games is that I didn't want the same old centralized systems of ownership like in SL


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:34:04
content:
  Yeah I know the devs have stated previously that they don't want to be in the business of selling virtual land, but I think having an official continent with parcels for sale could be a viable revenue stream.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:36:24
content:
  At the end of the day, virtual worlds need to be places where people can live and share experiences with their friends. Giving people the tools to maximize those experiences is so important. It's why Neos was going to be so special. No other platform (Other than SL) has allowed for that much of an in-world content creation pipeline, which I think is so necessary for crowdsourcing these spaces. VRChat is just a gallery of imported assets. Neos is a collaborative creative tool. There's a huge difference.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:37:06
content:
  it's also why I think "Official" or first party is important. You could argue a third party linked mainland could be successful, but it'd be much more successful if it was considered an official destination imo


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:39:56
content:
  facebook, SL returning and eventually Epic and Unreal engine will be entering the space at some point.. Neos has a head start but has serious competition


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:41:05
content:
  I also think that if Neos wanted to attract professional game developers, there needs to be more of a focus on creating a more industry-standard desktop development environment. In-world building with the HMD is awesome for doing things like casually moving around objects, but for serious devs with years of muscle memory developed for things like Blender and Unity, I think they expect some level of industry standard compliance.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:41:22
content:
  I can only imagine. I've tried several different combat systems and theyre all also limited by how old SL is and feel like trying to swim in mud


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:43:29
content:
  I wont lie, I do like how easy it is to drag and drop stuff around in Unity and have it in VRC so quickly


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:45:19
content:
  Trying to do large-scale world builds with Index controllers can be an exercise in frustration. Certain things that take me 10 seconds in Unity can take minutes in VR. That's also something to consider for the future. VR is still heavily dependent on desktop.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 11:52:37
content:
  A lot of VRChat devs are moving away from the node-based Udon system and using in-line UdonSharp. It was meant to increase accessibility but it mostly just creates frustration for coders.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 12:03:53
content:
  I think for a proper node system you got to look at functional languages and have purely functional nodes. Another aspect of developing code is reusability. It needs to be possible to pack these nodes up into package nodes that could be referenced and used as if they were single nodes by themselves, with a possibility to edit one package to fix bugs in all the referencing nodes as well


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 12:04:50
content:
  Also allow for script packs where code can be actually written as text and the reference nodes could work with them just the same as with packed nodes


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 12:06:12
content:
  That system seems to enable using the same nodes for scripting and shader programming, when I thought about that further. I'd like to test that system


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 12:07:44
edit_date: 2022-03-19 12:08:05
content:
  These nodes actually build something that is pretty much an AST that could also be transformed to CIL or even SPIR-V byte code. That might make those scripts quite performant


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 13:16:57
content:
  every metaverse world/project is creating its own coin, check the apecoin of boredapes...just laucnhed...see their market cap...crazy that NEOS devs are so silly to not understand where the world is heading...


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 13:20:27
content:
  From what I've seen, most of the devs were onboard with crypto/NCR at one point but NCR became synonymous with Karel - and their push to remove Karel from Neos superseded whatever NCR may have done for Neos in the future price or utility-wise. By crashing NCR they believed they could minimize Karel's involvement.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 14:48:33
content:
  In regards to whoever might own the code, legally it is up in the air. But morally... if you go through Froox's blog and older posts around the web you realize that this project is his life's work. He is not just "a developer". It is the thing he is most passionate about. It would be a real travesty for it to be taken away from him.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 14:56:09
content:
  People who are used to working in heterogeneous environments and are switching between multiple 3D design environments, or have developed muscle memory from Max/Maya/Blender/Unity.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 14:57:59
content:
  Even Blender itself wasn't really considered an industry standard compliant tool until they integrated the keymappings natively into 2.8. It's pretty important for pro user adoption.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 15:00:32
content:
  The bigger overarching issue being accessibility. The easier and more approachable you make Neos the higher the adoption rate will be.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 15:07:22
content:
  Standardization is a good thing! Anything that can be done to make developing in Neos appealing to both pro game designers and new users is a win.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 15:09:58
content:
  Because a Unity game designer with 0 hours logged into Neos can jump in and have a very similar experience, which expedites the development process and results in a higher adoption rate by the people who are directly responsible for the growth of the platform.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 15:15:43
content:
  That sounds really nice on paper, but in reality it's the pro developers and modelers that end up being the core of the world makers. Second Life's consumer to creator ratio is something like 100:1 now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-19 15:26:14
content:
  Which is my point. Second Life grew because it was accessible early on and had a very similar building toolset to the 3D suites of that era. The traction it saw was a direct result of it being accessible, and part of that was the ease of use of the prim building tools.


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 02:12:05
edit_date: 2022-03-20 05:34:29
content:
  Are you a reality loser? Only bullying in the internet. I just became a Yatima patron, I am willing to listen to next board meeting


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 05:36:49
content:
  So, Karel will tell you about the board meeting, when it is about to happen, but not this month yet. Also be on the discord so he can find you. However it is unlikely there to be a board meeting any time soon. I guess the public announcement would happen before there would ever be a board meeting again.


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 13:40:36
edit_date: 2022-03-20 13:49:27
content:
  The meetings would be generally held once a month - to discuss platform focused topics and things to improve, bring new ideas etc. ☺️It would be also an opportunity to chat with the team, get to know each other a little and give everyone a space to raise any questions. 

  Unfortunately given the circumstances the meetings are  postponed until further notice, while  we work on resolving this complex situation. 
  Once we are ready to resume back, we would let everyone know through the official channels. ☺️ For now thank you so much for your support and everyone’s interest.


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 16:41:09
content:
  Be careful when talking about death, some ppl might twist the joke ane claim the TG encourages death threaths lol


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 18:41:39
edit_date: 2022-03-20 18:51:41
content:
  The narrative that Karel supported death threats really needs to stop. I read what he said, and it was not that. The furries on Discord and Twitter have twisted it to make it sound a lot worse than it was in an attempt to further manipulate people into being anti-Karel.


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 18:54:41
content:
  Yes, it has been taken out of context and given, if shown just that cutout it really looks like what it actually isn't


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 19:43:09
content:
  I've been in the furry fandom since the early 2000s and have seen first hand how they weaponize social ostracization and character assassination to demonize people and drive them away from the community for not falling in line with the groupthink. This just feels like an extension of that and it's incredibly frustrating to watch happen to Karel who has poured himself into Neos for almost a decade.


type: message
date: 2022-03-20 19:51:04
content:
  I've been on the receiving end of furry cancel culture campaigns before and know how they will take a minor transgression and stretch the truth to manipulate others into joining social crucifixion bandwagons. It's almost an addiction and seems to happen almost weekly on furry Twitter.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 10:28:49
content:
  If Karel is kicked out and NCR removed, does neos plan to compensate their customers in any way? Regardless of how the team is fracturing, Neos sold a token marketed as an in game currency. It would be like selling robux and then saying just kidding, we don't accept that any more.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 10:59:55
content:
  This has nothing to do with investment. I purchases an in game currency. If they do not plan to support it then isn't that theft?


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 11:09:52
content:
  I feel bad for the MCC winners, even tho they are not after money, the cash prize divided by 10 since the first day of the content


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 11:19:48
edit_date: 2022-03-21 11:20:06
content:
  That's unlucky for those who put faith and money into neos throughout NCR. They are not even considered investors by 90% of the team


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 11:48:49
edit_date: 2022-03-21 11:49:53
content:
  I think that's what disturbs me the most about the situation. Regardless of ones thoughts or beliefs about crypto, the celebration of the token holders losing almost half a billion dollars in collective value is nothing short of sociopathic behavior and speaks volumes about the type of people they are. A lot of people believed in Neos, saw a huge opportunity for growth, and wanted to back those creating it. In the normal world of finance that is seen as a good thing, but in bizarro furry world the investors are seen as the enemy and that mentality will keep it from ever fully reaching its potential without a finance person like Karel steering the ship.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 11:52:50
content:
  For some reason facts and financial analysis doesn’t doesn’t seem to make much sense to them and I really don’t understand how do furries see the project moving forward with minimal funding, Patreon is no where near being able to support the kind of growth Neos is shooting for and that is just a fact.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 11:58:52
edit_date: 2022-03-21 12:49:36
content:
  Several months ago I made a post on Twitter suggesting ways furries can optimize the workflow for building their costumes in real life in order to make them more accessible price-wise, allowing more people to participate in that part of their fandom. My post was was blasted by a barrage of negativity calling me a fascist, capitalist, and all manner of rude names. It made me realize that furries don't want accessibility and growth - they want an insulated echo chamber that is heavily gatekept, and they want to weaponize victimization to manipulate people into falling in line with their groupthink. It's all incredibly toxic and it really turned me off from the whole thing.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:11:20
content:
  Welcome to the club, I hinted at the fact that a CEO should be objective and firm with his decisions and got called a #### capitalist and “one of those huh”


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:13:29
edit_date: 2022-03-21 12:13:45
content:
  I really thought Neos is a place where everyone can find their crowd and have fun with them but the gatekeeping and gang mentality drove me off completely, perhaps one day in the future things are going to be calmer and open to different groups


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:15:18
content:
  I take no part in any group but just enjoy talking to different people, I stumbled upon a group of furries and devs that were lovely and had a good time but other than that one encounter it was all repelling


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:16:07
content:
  I absolutely agree. The diversity of the cultures that emerge in the metaverse is part of what makes it so incredibly special. It tears down physical borders and levels the playing field so everybody has an opportunity to participate regardless of ones location or socioeconomic status. That diversity is what we should strive for as humans and to push back against that is tragic.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:31:04
content:
  I've been involved in the Metaverse development circles since the early 2000s going back to Activeworlds and Second Life. In 2013 I fostered a virtual world startup similar to Neos sans the VR component. ICOs weren't really commonplace at the time and funding was a little more difficult to secure for that sector of the industry so we never went beyond series A capital. Platforms like Neos are near and dear to my heart because I know how much potential platforms like these have and how they can positively affect peoples lives.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:32:36
edit_date: 2022-03-21 13:49:36
content:
  But I also am familiar with the complexities of building a company like Solirax and how capital is critical for materializing bold visions like Neos. Sweat equity can only go so far until the company needs to scale.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:52:49
content:
  Interesting, how did you manage to be part of second life so early? I’m having trouble finding projects with actual potential, especially now as any project with the word “meta” gains hype even if it is a scam.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 12:59:33
content:
  I was involved in higher education and at the time there was a big push to bring the classroom into virtual worlds for distance learning. I was also a big fan of Neal Stephenson's novels and MMO/MUDs from the 90s. Second Life was an organic, living-breathing virtual world a'la Snow Crash and it was the perfect canvas for creating interest groups and connecting people from around the world.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 13:30:30
content:
  200 % agreed, but it seems that the current vision of the dev team is to keep neos as an echo chamber. I don't see why they would support nor want any kind of growth since the majority is okay with the small niche 😑


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 13:35:10
edit_date: 2022-03-21 13:40:29
content:
  I’m genuinely concerned that Neos might end up that way but I have faith that things are going to be just fine, I do look forward to what Neos could become when it has a more mainstream appeal and we get creators of all backgrounds


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 13:37:36
content:
  Imagine a city like the one in Altered Carbon, it has always been something to imagine but for it to actually exist in Neos, that would be crazy


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:07:21
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:17:07
content:
  I feel that a lot of this conflict will come down to legal interpretation and how tethered NCR / Neos are in the foundational paperwork and articles of incorporation. What we do know is that Froox agreed to the creation and continued promotion of NCR up until late 2021, and that will be taken into account if this does end up in front of a judge. Despite how much the furry developers want to un-ring that bell, that may not end up being the reality of the situation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:20:51
content:
  We need screenwriters. This situation is perfect for a movie. With the proceeds of the movie (and potentially a soap opera), team + furries + ncr holders + tg members get royalities and everyone is happy.... Joking aside, hope they find a way forward


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:23:58
content:
  And Karel please stop the buy backs. You have approx 20% of the circulation of the token. That is more than enough. Even if everthing works out, new investors will not that feel confortable with such a big "amount" held in the team's wallet and will create noise for you to lock it (vesting) or burn it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:31:56
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:40:43
content:
  Theres nothing bad about locking some of our funds for a period of time. Development of a metaverse is a very oong term endeavour. More of a marathon than a sprint. Increasing the trust in our token by doing buybacks leads to more funding down the road. The money we are doing the buybacks with were sent by NCR holders and so we are obliged to help them given our long term mutli year ICO.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:38:38
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:46:41
content:
  Understood. I do think that those that are still holding NCR (like me) understand where we stand. My humble opinion is that (more) buybacks can lead to misinterpretation. Wish you all the best addressing the issues


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:39:14
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:39:49
content:
  In order to start a project like this you have to be a very optimistic person to begin with so weeks to months tops is what I would hope for.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:42:32
content:
  warren bufett always does buybacks. most of Nasdaq top companies do buyback to return investors. It especially happens when the c-level thinks its too underrated


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:42:40
content:
  Yeah I’m sure any action can be taken and misrepresented if a group really wants to make someone look bad. I’m sure even me breathing could be seen as problematic.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:44:00
content:
  but it is also true that the money can be spent on developing/marketing etc. 
  Hope to see that going on soon.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:44:48
content:
  Buybacks are balancing that out. Part of our tokenonics made for devs to be under less pressure because of its long term nature with no hard timeframes/deadlines.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:46:35
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:47:46
content:
  Not really no point in marketing a product with bad UX. Waste of funds. We need a competent dev team first.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:46:58
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:47:49
content:
  Karel I feel bad for you, knowing that your entire team is plotting against you, but keep in mind that you have many supporters here


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:49:42
content:
  The problem was that I wanted a roadmap in return and that didn’t go with the “we do things whenever wherever for fun” ethos


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:51:07
content:
  I see buybacks as a positive signal. It means that Karel has more faith in the long-term valuation of NCR than continuing to hold ETH.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:51:12
content:
  the dev team confirmed this.. which just makes them dev. Never interested in scale-up, making progress. I really cant understand why they act as like c-level/owner of neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:53:18
edit_date: 2022-03-21 17:17:57
content:
  Yes they want to keep it their feel good hobby not a real company and product thats why they are attacking ncr and everything related


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:55:52
edit_date: 2022-03-21 16:57:15
content:
  The devs were also incredibly resistant to the idea of bringing on external web developers to help focus on marketing even though that falls outside of the scope of their involvement as platform developers. It's absolutely a control thing.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:56:06
content:
  Well, if Frooxius hires who he wants like the volunteer friends... wouldnt that be enough control for him??


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:57:39
content:
  I wonder what nuance Frooxius is saying about.
  I dont care about the volunteers. They have no power but only making situation worse, saying shits behind Froox.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 16:59:08
edit_date: 2022-03-22 10:16:32
content:
  Is Frooxius more willing to compromise ?? I see 0 compromise from dev team cus they chat a lot in discord.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 17:02:38
content:
  can u answer this Karel?? Froox is too quiet, have no clue at all.
  Just wanna know how willing he is nowadays


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 17:22:07
content:
  community having opinion is just fine, 

  but volunteers saying "blame Karel for ur loss cryptobros" just makes me crazy sometimes.


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 17:27:30
content:
  I know Solirax was reluctant at getting invested, like series A. But now I see that investment will make Solirax much more professional in many aspects....

  After solving this, maybe should consider some. Great for partnership also :)


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 17:29:03
content:
  Not reluctant, unable to get because of our stubbornnes to do things our way and refusing to hire experts


type: message
date: 2022-03-21 21:16:54
content:
  Hey Karel, could you tell us more about where things currently are about the IP rights? Also could you please answer Tizzy’s question on Rothenburg Venture’s voting right?


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 10:20:31
content:
  the 60 million evaluation takes the USD peak value of ETH and compares it to where ETH is now. It's not at all a fare comparison because ETH is worth almost half of what it was at that peak. So much willful misinformation spreading around.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:09:36
edit_date: 2022-03-22 11:09:44
content:
  I actually agree with Geenz that NCR existing as a platform-agnostic Metaverse token with 3rd party API integration could potentially allow it to grow larger than it ever could contained within the Neos walled garden. It could potentially coincide with a marketplace of virtual goods and standardized assets that can be imported into many platforms instead of just one small ecosystem.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:14:34
content:
  This was something that was proposed by Tangle and Deadly from Sushiswap before the fallout happened and I think it could have viability, especially in the event of an irreparably fractured Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:26:59
content:
  Given the anti-crypto sentiment from that camp, I can see them moving to a proprietary internal currency like the Linden dollar, assuming they ever have a say in that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:28:09
content:
  Again, the only person who can remove Karel from Neos is Karel - regardless of what the furries say.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:29:57
content:
  Without contracts the developers are about as officially involved in Neos as my cat and have about as much say in the executive power structure.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:39:04
content:
  Until the foundational and IP issues are sorted, everything else is being built on top of an unstable (And somewhat non-existent) structure - which I think is a big reason why we saw NCR collapse.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 11:42:23
content:
  I personally think we'll see positive forward momentum after ownership is clearly established, or at least we'll have a clear direction of where things will be headed. Until then we don't know who is entitled to what and that puts the Neos codebase in somewhat of a legal gray area.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 14:01:33
edit_date: 2022-03-22 14:03:25
content:
  Yes precisely. It's like building a house without an architectural plan, slapping together materials here and there, hoping it will somewhat work. 
  Then you are sitting there scratching head when you see it collapse, wondering what went wrong. 😁 
  Luckily all the good bits are intact, the core engine, architecture and functionality is there, the market is there, the funding is there. It's just about putting it back together but this time properly☺️. 

  As you say, this opportunity is in our hands. I say ours because while Solirax is a business of Karel and Frooxius, any platform or idea needs a support of people - both team and users. And I see we still have a lot of support. And I am hoping that in time more and more people will realise that this is much bigger than us. 

  Yes, there are new platforms quickly emerging - Omniverse is one of them, Meta, Roblox..I even saw Tinder is trying to build their own metaverse version for dating. (Which actually is something I am curious about as a concept - I always felt there needs to be a better way for people to meet and connect on much deeper level than swiping through some awkward bathroom selfies. In VR you can connect with people extremely quickly. 
  I have had amazing chats with complete strangers about their life & death experiences, people open up way more in the right environment) 

  But anyway back to my original point - Neos can be all of this. It's completely versatile. There is a reason why we came up with this new tagline "Metaverse as unique as its users" Because that sums up pretty much the essence of Neos. It's a platform - and you are free to make it completely your own. 
  Doesn't matter if you are a furry, an artist, a professor of science, a lawyer - you can use Neos and make it work for you. Omniverse is too focused on engineers and designers atm. Meta is ...well Meta😅


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 15:47:04
edit_date: 2022-03-23 04:33:42
content:
  Maintaining that positive energy and bridging the gap between the camps is going to help foster a healthy company and community atmosphere and that's exactly what we need right now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 15:50:11
content:
  Interesting re: Tinder. The Metaverse as a dating platform makes so much sense as a compelling use case. There's a world in VRChat called "No Time Two Talk" and it's basically speed friending/dating. It works incredibly well and I can see that being a killer app/ selling point of an entire platform if it was marketed right.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 15:52:43
content:
  Omniverse is great if you want to do wind tunnel testing of a CAD model, not so much for connecting people and communities. 😅


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 16:20:28
edit_date: 2022-03-22 16:21:02
content:
  would it be possible to make a world like "no time two talk" and make money with it in neos??
  just like a vr tinder??
  It would be great if creators can earn money like Roblox


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 16:30:59
edit_date: 2022-03-22 16:32:02
content:
  There are definitely ways something like that could be monetized. NCR-based paid access would be the most straightforward, similar to a Tinder+ / Gold sub.


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 16:47:37
edit_date: 2022-03-23 04:35:14
content:
  i like the creator benefit or economy  business model :)
  There can be many services made.
  dating is just one of them. counseling, education.... etc.
  + game obviously


type: message
date: 2022-03-22 16:48:22
content:
  even its free, there can be some way to give benefit to creator of the world anyway.
  + if there's something alpha, people can pay


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 04:04:15
content:
  https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2022-03-22/yuga-labs-closes-450-million-seed-round-of-funding-valuing-the-company-at-4-billion-confirms-plans-for-metaverse-project


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 04:21:37
content:
  not every ceo is perfect. but great company's leader have great&clear vision. Just need appropriate ppl arround.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 04:28:01
content:
  It is equally ridiculous to wait for the NCR cryptocurrency to be adopted to deny its integration into the project, which is very clear.... perhaps it had been years since you were unaware of the existence of the cryptocurrency that was on your website?... very ridiculous


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 09:28:54
content:
  It just makes no sense in my opinion. The only way this would work is if Karel's company and Froox's company had a close relationship and could work together. NCR, in my opinion, needs more use cases and that requires cooperations, otherwise Karel is at the mercy of the other side and can only do so much. It's a dead end in terms of future decentralized functionality and also since Neos wants to fun things centrally, it actually positions them as competing services.

  What Geenz is proposing has no concessions on his part and puts Karel and all of us in a position where his entire company is at the whim of Froox, whom really just wants Neos to languish as his private clique hobby project.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 09:29:49
content:
  Who in their right mind would allow themselves to be shoved out of their own company and then establish a new company that feeds value into the one that exiled him?


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 09:38:13
content:
  I think they would have gotten that value, if the devs we're not hostile by that point. I'm not going to pretend that I agree with buybacks, but the collapse of that value is the result of both party's actions.

  One side was trying to prop up NCR value in the face of the dev team publicly disparaging it... That created a steamtrain rushing for the exit IMO, and Karel standing in front of it trying to defend his side of the company.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 09:39:41
edit_date: 2022-03-23 16:49:36
content:
  seems pointless for people on the Neos discord or devs to whine about it though, they wanted to snub their nose at NCR or even remove it while at the same time get all the money from it? How ridiculous.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 09:47:27
edit_date: 2022-03-23 09:56:57
content:
  They will absolutely do this IMO. I actually do think at a time they will see the value of accepting other cryptos for whatever store they bring up. Then when NCR gets deemphasized because it needs a special plugin or whatever stupidity to use, assholes lile Geenz will be there to gloat that NCR wasnt able to bring enough value to the table and everyone will pretend it was a Karel problem.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 10:31:39
content:
  NCR would still need to be legally and technically tethered to Neos and function as the official and sole currency of the platform, but functioning as an open token and also allowing 3rd party integration would allow it to become the currency of not just Neos - but all Metaverses. These concepts aren't mutually exclusive.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 10:33:26
content:
  Right, although I don't see how NCR needs to be third party for other platforms to use it, nor do I see very many other platforms allowing NCR to build ontop of them


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 10:38:40
edit_date: 2022-03-23 11:11:39
content:
  Which is why I think rolling out an OpenSea-style marketplace for virtual goods could give NCR an incredibly compelling use case. Virtual worlds like VRChat rely on 3rd party content sites such as DeviantArt and TurboSquid, but there is no official support or integration for either. Imagine external Metaverse projects being able to bolt-in support for the Neos marketplace through its open API and their users purchasing standardized 3D assets cross-platform. Suddenly you open up the ecosystem to a much wider audience and that directly impacts the capitalization of NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 10:50:41
content:
  I mean, yes that could be great, and I'd love to see it happen... I imagine others want to be first to market on something like that, and Booth or gumroad might have an advantage already


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:21:04
content:
  The fact is that human acts for economic benefit. Many patrons thought NCR as one of most important benefit of patreon.
  The patrons have been getting ncr as a reward at least 70% of what they have paid. But its gone now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:22:06
content:
  There are still ppl believing in Neos to patron continuously, and Solirax's  management shouldnt let this down.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:25:07
content:
  Im quite sure the volunteers dont give a shit about financial sustainability. They dont care about patreon obviously. 
  They dont think CFO is needed role for CEO. They think CFO should be just 3rd party accountant. 

  They think Neos can be ran by their "volunteer" work anyway.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:29:08
content:
  and I dont think Frooxius has stack for management. He's just genius engineer.
  Everyone knows that, Froox himself knows that, and his volunteer "friends" also know that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:42:37
edit_date: 2022-03-23 12:44:57
content:
  If Frooxius runs his company alone and keep the volunteers working for years, I am curious what will happen :)

  my expectation is as below;
  devs will start to claim for their IP, maybe demand for stocks. The stocks keep gets diluted and the ownership of Frooxius' will be doomed cus they need "unanimous decision" which is not sustainable. Maybe some will get trouble with their friendship for sure.

  Neos will have no revenue stream going on. They believe selling storage is the main business model. User cant expand cus they cant afford the maintenance fee which is ridiculous. They think the community users are Santa clause who gives money when money needed.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:51:01
content:
  i dont believe there was that much furry patrons. furry patrons were giving 100k a month? hmm.... maybe 5k


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:55:16
content:
  yep. and this situation will last long enough to kill financial sustainability; which some volunteers dont even care.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 12:56:19
content:
  cus why would they care how much Solirax earns? or uses? 
  it only matters to Froox and Karel. volunteers really have nothing to say. They should just do their job "develop"


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 13:06:19
content:
  i mean the decreased patreons. it was 130k at peak, now 30k.
  And ncr's price under minting price is the problem as in terms of ncr reward. 50 cent at that time makes at least 70% reward. Total different situation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 13:47:44
content:
  and can Karel please answer to what furries refer "Karel's companies" is true?
  Isnt it "Solirax's affiliate"?


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 13:48:50
content:
  what does it mean flow to Karel's company not Solirax?
  Or have Karel withdrawn money himself somewhat embezzlement?


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 15:16:27
edit_date: 2022-03-23 16:56:33
content:
  Good morning, I really hope the two founders (and the VC) do their best for the whole Neos ecosystem and start working on implementing NCR. 
  Starting an ICO and then scamming investors in the token is a very bad idea for their present and future reputation.
  Experienced investors have enough informations to make a class action against them (they made a silly mistake).
  Also some start to think that they might have been planning this mess since the beginning in bad faith.
  If you are in touch with them please advice them to take care of their investors and dont play games since they are in a very weak position and the only thing thy should work on is Neos and NCR.
  Otherwise they will just make happy a bunch of US lawyers willing to get paid to protect their clients interests.
  Regards


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 15:17:05
content:
  Ja Kobu Enki from Discord says: It's fully dead. Call Karel too scammy or the Neos community too fuddy, the fact is people aren't going to want to buy it anymore.

  Points that make NCR dead -
  1: Karel has committed fraudulent actions such as wasting large amounts of money in defiance of the key point of the whitepaper. He also forged Froox's signature.
  2: Karel has been irreconcilably cast out by the Neos team. They refuse to work with him now and that's not going to change because he burned his bridges thoroughly. 
  3: The only way forward for Karel is to make NCR into a plugin, but NCR holders are adamant that this would kill the token, because it removes any motivation for the team to support NCR in away that would give it the $10 billion market caps people were talking about earlier.
  4: The team is burnt out on crypto. They'll let it live in their app, but receiving death threats and the like for something they had no control over means they aren't going to cooperate with the crypto community.
  5: NCR is not considered an investment. It's basically seen as people having a gamble, so responsibility for a drop in value is not something the team were ever willing to take. 
  6: Most people that bought it, were being deceived by Karel through lies and extreme hype.

  All the facts together, NCR has none of the appeal that it used to have, and so noones going to buy. Eventually people will realise the futility of trying to get Karel to reconcile with Froox, and then they'll sell.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 15:23:27
content:
  But as long as NCR stays with Neos, it will eventually recover from it when 1. neos thrives 2. Metaverse/VR hype


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 15:23:52
content:
  yes seems like that. So sad probably after Karel saw that much money when ncr was around 9 he  went moggy.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 15:29:49
content:
  The best thing these guys should do is to ask for a business advice from outsider professionals

  I know some great founders that might help find a solutions

  Problems is they dont want help


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 15:34:41
edit_date: 2022-03-23 15:36:40
content:
  Not sure how Karel could be "cast out" by the Neos team. He owns 50% of the company and they don't have contracts or any legal ties to the company - as far as a court would be concerned.

  They're very adamant about the continued use of the word fraud because it carries a lot of emotional power and it's a pretty common tactic used when trying to de-platform somebody that you don't agree with. The reality is that there is no basis for this claim and the strategic buybacks of NCR were always part of the tokenomics of NCR.

  The plugin argument is also irrelevant because the only two people who have a say in the direction of NCR are Karel and Froox. The rest is just bombastic chest-pounding and hate fantasies.

  The team never received death threats and their repeated use of this term is just another attempt to discredit Karel's character, much like the repeated use of the word fraud.

  Karel and Froox have been working for almost a decade on Neos and have both been invested into seeing it do well. NCR's sudden surge was the result of Facebook's enormous pivot into the Metaverse space and Neos was at the right place at the right time. There was never any fraud, rather the ship wasn't seaworthy yet and the pressure from the sudden capitalization exposed a lot of foundational issues that are common for new startups. There's a huge difference.

  I'm still optimistic about Neos, but it's hard to build bridges when the other side has no interest in reciprocating.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 16:35:57
content:
  Qualcomm has created $100M Metaverse Investment Fund

  Leading chip supplier 
  @Qualcomm
   is launching a $100M 
  @Snapdragon
   Metaverse Fund intended to support companies building out the metaverse using augmented reality, mixed reality or virtual reality.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 20:44:11
content:
  Pleaee dont underestimate the pain of managing a multi-sig wallet. Or the issues caused by whales in DAOs.


type: message
date: 2022-03-23 20:45:14
content:
  But true that Karel's time is very important and I would prefer if others would be handling these processes


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 11:37:28
content:
  Neos is bigger than a Dao. I actually considered and started planning for a Dao inside Neos, there could be multiple of those. - Cryptobros and A Cryptonians should understand that Neos is an infinite game- it has space for all kind of economies, tribes, systems and facets of human identity. 
  Unfortunately hate and "we are not them speech" seem to be always the loudest.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 12:55:31
content:
  The discord community is creating lists of people who diverge from their groupthink. I'm sure anyone who stepped out of line will be ostracized inside Noes now.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:01:05
edit_date: 2022-03-24 13:01:58
content:
  and thats fine and all but the children on discord all pretending to be cartoon animals seem to not realize that this drama involves alot of people losing real money


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:04:23
edit_date: 2022-03-24 13:04:32
content:
  alot of japanese people bought NCR to support the game, not knowing the english speaking community wanted to maliciously stab them in the back


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:06:56
content:
  You have alot stacked against you so we admire youve not given up in face of how unfair youve been treated


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:11:35
edit_date: 2022-03-24 13:12:11
content:
  The amount of hate some of these people have inside their hearts is staggering. Will not stop until the situation is rectified.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:15:09
content:
  dont let it get you down cause in time things will cool off and theyll forget all this drama that's captured their imaginations


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:23:49
edit_date: 2022-03-24 13:50:34
content:
  Please refer to the March one https://twitter.com/KarelHulec/status/1501948472148119559
  I've deleted the Feb reply to Froox as I find that whole Twitter diarrhea undignified and don't want it on my personal profile long term.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:24:12
edit_date: 2022-03-24 13:24:26
content:
  Creating social ostracization hit-lists only further divides the community and isn't a healthy way to build bridges. In the end everybody should be working towards the goal of supporting Neos. Sowing division is counter-productive and it's really sad to see.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:49:37
content:
  That would normally be the case if not for the dev team literally throwing the ncr holders under the bus.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:50:25
content:
  like, there's no way to mental gymnastic what they are doing. They are literally wanting to rugpull them and pretend they never existed.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:51:17
edit_date: 2022-03-24 13:52:33
content:
  And when the community is cheering maliciously for that to happen, there can't be much of a bridge for us tp agree on Neos fate.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:52:01
content:
  like, full stop. How can you get along with someone who is cheering for or gloating about your financial ruin and has an ideological slant against you because you dare to believe in crypto?


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:53:48
content:
  It probably would have some, but would it have dropped 90%? no, not without these serious issues a hand where the dev team is hostile to the investors


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:54:56
content:
  and heck I think NCR could have grown quiet large and the company could have onboarded a bunch of helpful devs imo. NCR was only at market cap rank of 3000


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:57:17
content:
  I mean of course as metaverse hype died down that is of course what would happen like similar peojects Mana or otherwise


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:58:06
content:
  but whales also monitor the chats and when they see the devs wanting to take the comfy, popular opinion of "crypto is le bad" that signalled then to pull out


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 13:59:33
edit_date: 2022-03-25 10:17:38
content:
  right. it's complex and takes forward thinking and a respect for that kind of vision imo... and time. I think most here believed in that longterm vision


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 14:51:51
content:
  Ja kobu scares me as few other very active discord members... They spend most of their waking time on patrolling neos social channels


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 14:52:36
content:
  The discord at this point is just propaganda machine to justify this company takeover and nothing else


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 15:05:19
edit_date: 2022-03-24 15:05:33
content:
  Maybe it has no link but I keep on receiving calls on my phone from an asian number looks like a bot talking with a music, I hope it's a coincidence lol


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 15:19:39
content:
  Its awful that non of the actual discord mods have disavowed the creation of hate lists. The post was up for a while.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 15:50:20
edit_date: 2022-03-25 04:59:15
content:
  Monetary incentive to create is a powerful driving force of virtual world microtransaction economies. I remember in 2003 when Second Life was still a small sandbox community and Starax Statosky released a multi-use wand that everybody wanted. They ended making a ton of money and it set the stage for what eventually became a multi-million dollar virtual goods marketplace.


type: message
date: 2022-03-24 15:55:57
edit_date: 2022-03-25 04:59:37
content:
  The part where he talks about finding the balance between centralization and decentralization is really interesting. It sounds a lot like Neos where certain components are distributed and others are still living in more of a traditional cloud.


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 11:41:08
content:
  So instead of trying to dissincentivise harmful behavior on the discord, the moderation team and the team members are making fun of us for not wanting to be put on hate lists.


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 11:45:24
edit_date: 2022-03-25 11:52:56
content:
  They are so hands off on moderation when it comes to anyone being abusive on their side. For example, this is one of their members explicitly and intentionally breaking the rules after a warning to stop. No consequences. The post is still up. But BL is an old friend of the teams so he can get away without consequences.


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 11:54:31
content:
  yeah we know it's always been biased, just slowly over time the mask pretending to not be has slowly been coming off


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 11:55:31
content:
  they ran anyone pro ncr off the discord and that wasn't enough for them that they need to come follow us here looking for a fight lmao


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:05:53
content:
  Dear everyone, 

  It has come to my attention that there are some individuals approaching NCR holder to buy their holdings for 2x or more, kindly be careful as they will ask you to conduct the transaction through an escrow service that will only end up freezing the NCR being sold.

  I have read a more detailed incident and feel free to read it too so you are well aware how someone might scam you.


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:10:43
content:
  Yeah, I'd only sell using something I know for sure or where I receive the money before sending my NCR


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:13:06
content:
  mobile calls can be silenced as well, so only contacts that are on your contact list can get calls through


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:14:12
content:
  For example, I don't accept calls without caller ID and I don't call back on numbers that I don't know


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:14:48
content:
  It's even that far that I don't accept calls, when I don't know the number that's shown, except for those rare cases where I expect a call from an unknown number


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:16:14
content:
  Excuse my ill advice, but I'd get an assistant (secretary?) to take the calls and forward them to you, when you need to answer them


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:17:16
content:
  Ahh, okay. And when I don't know any escrow they suggest a make shift escrow that just "freezes funds" but is actually their wallet


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:18:49
content:
  And then I would only answer calls that come from that assistant, as I know it's them who has deemed a call as being from a client


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:20:47
content:
  This is oddly an unintuitive rule on telegram. Every unsolicited private message that you didn't expect is considered spam in telegram. Randomly messaging people on Telegram is not allowed


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:22:19
edit_date: 2022-03-25 12:23:09
content:
  That usually immediately stops them by marking the account as spammer, it's an automated process on telegram and doesn't need any human intervention and even trying to get some human to help with this is fruitless, as for the first few spam blocks, no one is lifting that manually


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 12:32:31
content:
  yes.... 1) create a new wallet, 2) request the buyers to send 10 eth to that wallet, 3) thank them for the donation


type: message
date: 2022-03-25 17:56:41
edit_date: 2022-03-25 18:05:43
content:
  NCR has been on steady uptrend since bottoming out at 20 cents. I think one bit of positive news would send it back over $1.


type: message
date: 2022-03-27 18:28:13
edit_date: 2022-03-27 18:29:18
content:
  Not to FUD, but the opportunity cost is too high to hold tokens for a project with this much drama, uncertainty and toxicity.  If things are resolved just buy again at a marginally higher price


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 10:11:32
content:
  ​​Huobi Global will list Victoria VR (VR) on March 30. The VR spot trading (VR/USDT) will go live once liquidity conditions are met.


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 11:08:39
content:
  well.... there are ppl even buying some images for billions so.... anything for "buying scarcity" makes in a sense that way.

  but i agree with u&neos so much on this one.


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 12:09:21
content:
  Having the best tech doesn't matter.  Literally every other gaming or metaverse project token is outperforming NCR


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 13:41:19
content:
  its hard to understand why ppl value certain things because there's abit of imagination involved. like with the apes I think its this idea of membership to some exclusive community and with art some believe theyre buying some of the first pieces of digital art in a future metaverse and that that's why they'll be considered interesting pieces to have, and with pfp its I guess identity and statement that they believe in something


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 13:46:57
content:
  The NFT is something special about you that no one can fake, for example, the picture of Mona Lisa. There is only one original copy and many fakes, but the original picture is considered special because it is real.


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 14:16:55
content:
  There's a difference between on-chain generated NFT art and those that are stored as a jpeg or other format on a centralized server


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 20:53:06
edit_date: 2022-03-29 00:41:57
content:
  I've been reading through Froox's announcements again and I can't seem to find any mention of him supporting the complete removal of NCR. Based on his statements such as "Our proposal would also let Karel independently implement and distribute NCR functionality on top of our work" and "Our goal is to still use the funding for its actual intended purpose - development of this project" it suggests that there are still plans to include NCR as part of the roadmap for Neos, even if as a 3rd party solution a'la Second Life's Tilia. 

  The only people continuing to disseminate the idea that NCR is being entirely deprecated are the anti-crypto users who in the end have no say over the direction of Neos or NCR. They have essentially gaslit the Neos investment community into believing the token is worthless and created enough FUD to sink the market cap to where it's currently at - which is why I'm continuing to accumulate. I think at some point both sides will reach a resolution and it will re-inspire enough confidence to make NCR appealing as a speculative investment again.


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 21:05:02
content:
  It really comes down to what the guys end up negotiating. I think a component can be 3rd party but still officially supported. Either way I think NCR will still remain relevant.


type: message
date: 2022-03-28 23:43:03
content:
  It isn't as if you could just slap NCR on top of a Metaverse like that. NCR Integration would need to go deeper, it'd need to be integrated into the cloud services and tied to the assets to allow NFTs once the chain is environmentally sustainable


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 00:19:35
content:
  Yeah it would have to be the default monetary system of Neos in the same way the Linden Dollar is in Second Life.


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 04:24:44
content:
  The thief still owns it, it's just that everyone knows it also and is choosing not to interact with him


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 06:19:43
content:
  not really, if you look on the discord its the devs aka froox's friends saying removing ncr completely and in their words make it a "plugin"


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 06:25:46
content:
  and I dont think investors care what the anti people are saying, they care what the devs are saying and devs are too craven to support something unpopular like blockchain concepts. Thats what sunk the price. The price tanked the moment of Froox's march 4th annoubcement, simple as. infact it was recovering quote abit following Karel proposing a new whitepaper


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 07:05:34
content:
  the drama going on now makes me think about metaverse again. or why decentralized platform is important for it.

  It's quite annoying that service can be just gone. I wanted to build new life in here, but it was actually too centrallized. Its not trustless platform. What if Solirax just stops service? noone can stop this happening if only 2 person agrees on it.

  This is why decentralized platform based on crypto is on a trend. Agreed protocol, governance based on crypto, with philosophy of web3 is keep coming out with some points. to keep this kind of drama out of sustainability of metaverse platform.


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 07:06:59
content:
  I hope one day, that neos can be fully opensourced, and NCR acts as a bigger role. not just an utility token.


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 07:11:15
content:
  community doesnt have any right to vote what neos can do or not. I dont mean just ncr stuffs. 
  Centralized platform is good for lean startups because it is speedy that way. but.. neos is centralized platform which isnt speedy.
  Great engineer isnt using his full capability.


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 07:12:55
content:
  or there can be another token, higher layer which has governance function given to high ncr holders.


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 12:55:51
edit_date: 2022-03-29 12:56:03
content:
  I gave me profits because I was one of the first 340 holders... but there are 6,000 investors who can lose almost everything because 2 children do not agree


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 12:57:35
content:
  they are geniuses to develop this but idiots, liars and selfish when it comes to respecting investors


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 13:04:46
content:
  surprised to see a bank like CS publishing about metaverses. But it seems that they did their homework


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 16:25:05
content:
  yup.  If some of that buyback money was used for CEX listings I imagine NCR would be doing much better


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 16:27:19
content:
  if this drama happened after cex listings, it would have gone even lower. it just makes more famous scam to ppl


type: message
date: 2022-03-29 22:05:32
content:
  NCR is on ice until some sort of resolution is made. If the news ends up being even remotely positive I think we’ll see NCR run again which is why Karel has been confidently doing strategic buybacks.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 02:35:45
content:
  Btw, @tizzers nice to meet you. I loved the video you posted a few months ago on YouTube about Neos as the future of the metaverse.  Like you, I’m a metaverse OG, and create content about the topic.  It would be great to connect on Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 13:47:04
content:
  Karel it is indeed mind blowing that every moment you are trying to highlight something, there is an immediate reaction in order to discredit your words


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 14:15:42
content:
  Karel Regardless of how the lawsuit unfolds, do you think Froox should keep his code? It does seem like it is his passion project and life's work.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 14:17:41
content:
  Code belongs to the company, he can continue working on it no problem. Best way would be to open source it making the process easy.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 14:24:37
content:
  I understand the code belongs to the company. But I don't think I could handle knowing that Froox was ripped away from his passion project if that is how the lawsuits go down. It would be like losing control of my own personal game projects that I have been tinkering with for years.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 14:39:01
content:
  I'm afraid open source wouldn't be easy. Too many 3rd party components in there that are licensed and not open source


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 15:01:36
content:
  If the answer is to the open source but will take long time to do how this to plan moving forward with CTO


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 15:05:17
edit_date: 2022-03-30 15:05:26
content:
  There are at least 12 components that are not open source and one component where the license is uncertain


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 15:14:47
content:
  No matter how good friends you’re. There’s always fights between founders. I’ve been there with very small startups. 2 startups dead so far because of us the founders.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 15:18:48
content:
  Karel have you guys considered VC funding? By now, with all this metaverse attention you guys should be a unicorn 🦄


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:20:12
content:
  something like that. because atleast by karel's understanding thr only real employees are froox and himself and everyone else is a volunteer


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:21:37
content:
  I mean I dont see the problem if theyre adults, but I will note that in Second Life it will get you permabanned fast


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:22:46
content:
  In any case, he was being largely compensated by a good chunk of CDFT for his work. Karel cut him off when he was fired. Seems to me like a good motive to tank the token.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:24:53
content:
  so.. I guess there was problem about Nexulan and Karel fired him for it. But this was not known to other members including Froox.

  I think that Karel should have discussed about this with Froox before anouncing it.
  But the volunteers shitting about this is the real shit. What rights dl they have? even employees dont have any right to decide anything


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:25:57
content:
  its not cp and please dont throw that term around carelessly because it has a real and terdible meaning, and please dont assume I'm condoning that play either, I merely dont care what adults in private pretend to be


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:26:58
content:
  I dont think he announced it, but yeah it seems like this might be the tipping point of the drama, the big disagreement


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:27:41
content:
  he still kept his CDFT from before, just didnt get new CDFT or something. I dont know if he had any pay withheld.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:28:27
content:
  It seems like they went through on their threat. And I think they got a lot of the OGs on board with it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:30:56
edit_date: 2022-03-30 16:31:30
content:
  Is the only difference someone is dressing up as a dog-child vs someone dressing up as a human child?


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:35:02
content:
  the coordinated selloff does explain karel's buybacks to some extent if he saw it as a way of opposing purposeful dumping of NCR. i know a lot of us were scratching our heads at why he was setting up buybacks at the time.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:37:44
content:
  A lot of people would disagree about the bestiality thing. Mostly people outside the furry community. In any case humoring a fetish that is focused on young people or animals is not healthy for anyone.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:40:36
content:
  I said nothing about restricting. But there is nothing you can say to me that will make that kind of fetish anything but obhorent and destructive to everyone involved in it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:43:21
content:
  I lean more towards the idea that Karel is worried the coin will be useless and wanted to give people a chance to get their money out. Did not want to steal from them. If he pulls this project out of the nose dive then he could make use of tokens again. It would be the only moral course of action.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:47:40
content:
  no only difference to me is if it's two adults at the ends of the computers and not kids. doesnt mean I think its good or anything, just I cant be bothered to care what everyone does to tickle their pickle


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:50:14
content:
  the team and community in open ideological war against NCR was what informed big pockets to pull out


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:50:35
content:
  Ok, not next topic I guess.

  Adults dressing up like this are reinforcing the part of their brain that finds kids attractive. It will be harder for them to go about in public without thinking those kinds of thoughts. It is not a positive thing for anyone involved.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:51:05
content:
  a buy wall isnt anything outrageously new or ineffective, its just it cant stand up against a team that hates its own investors. nothing can.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:52:20
content:
  Reactant was a mod. He wasnt a team member but was fairly involved and made alot of neos advertisements


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:55:07
content:
  Reactant got attacked because he wasnt like the other mods in joining in on the dogpiling against crypto people. simple as.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:57:48
edit_date: 2022-03-30 18:31:07
content:
  people like khosumi or whatever were constantly complaining about him because he wasnt toeing the line like the rest of them. imo Reactant was one of the best mods


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:58:30
content:
  yeah Reactant got everyones stink eye because he liked crypto. its as simple as that to anyone who actually watched it unfold


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 16:59:50
content:
  Sounds like any case of sexual harassment in real life where the abused are scared to come forward in fear of community or employment backlash.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:02:40
edit_date: 2022-03-30 17:03:33
content:
  people only respect Sikitree because he keeps his head down and shuts up. if he spoke positively abiut crypto in that howling congregation he'd be slandered too.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:05:01
content:
  I never sae Reactant disrespect anyone, and if youve been in that awful discord or been dogpilled on by those assholes its comical that Reactant is considered the insulting one


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:08:23
content:
  Reactant did what he thought was right and I respect him. I dont think his reaction was out of placr considering all he did for Neos only to get treated like shit.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:09:32
content:
  he made that money on his own by investing. No one was going to bail him out if NCR failed. He gave free publicity to Neos and his videos were some of the best


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:11:09
content:
  it's honestly laughable the way the discord has responded to Reactant's posts when they have been publicly spreading shit about Karel being an abuser and modern-day slaver for months


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:11:19
content:
  She seems to have similar issues with the neos community that Reactent did. But she is too much of an icon in the community to speak up about then. Maybe I'm wrong. She will probably keep her head down.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:13:28
content:
  honestly that twitlonger sounds like karel was hurt after he let Froox live rent free with him for years


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:14:17
content:
  Their living arrangements was collaboratively designed by both of them to maximize Frooxius's productivity. It is a bit unfair to claim abuse after the fact.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:15:30
content:
  maybe the living conditions sucked, I dont know, but years of free rent isnt to be completely shrugged off


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:17:55
content:
  an "indentured servant" like wtf. Throwing around words to make a situation look bad to slant opinion in your favor. Call it what it is: free rent and food while you get to work on your hobby project


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:20:02
content:
  its NOT UNCOMMON for startups to slum it up together and share expenses early on, especially when said startup is not profitable


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:21:31
content:
  right, so people saying Froox needed a fat salary like a senior engineer is so silly when the company wasnt even making money


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:22:52
content:
  right Ill agree with you on that 200%. But ppl still take all liberties to try to tell me what to think about the situation.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:23:27
content:
  and as someone whose moved around dpzens of times and slummed it up in bad situations, I know it can be emotional and rough


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:23:43
content:
  Calling him an indentured servant is really disingenuous. They were working on a startup. They specifically designed a setup to remove all destractions from Frooxius's development workflow. Frooxius's intentionally outsourced financial matters to Karel. Read about it in frooxius's own blog.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:27:39
content:
  Karel literally offered to buy Froox a green card to the US, set up a US based branch so they could hire people, and allow froox to hire whoever the hell he wanted.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:30:34
content:
  no, because that was ETH which peaked in november. if they hung onto the ETH it still would be half of that.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:33:19
edit_date: 2022-03-30 17:33:33
content:
  There was rampant dog piling on Karel in the NCR discord far before anyone, even Karel, began posting insider information.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:34:37
content:
  thats actually shocking too
  cus the devs were talking behind his back always, and pretended never saying anything before february


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:34:59
content:
  and NCR holders knew the only person who gave a shit about NCR was Karel so.. and also the devs being openly anti-crypto. When your devs are openly anti-crypto and want to veto any expansion of its usecase, what is there for investors to speculate over?


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:37:06
content:
  No, the accusation of Karel being abusive and holding Frooxius hostage. People shit on Karel for going public with a lot of information, but a lot of what he said was in defense.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 17:52:12
content:
  i can say Iphone sucks when I work in Apple, but removing some functions and making public to believe is not my right


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 18:02:12
content:
  if the devs really hate Neos they should just move on.  Any good dev should be making mid 6 figures with ease in this market


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 18:09:53
content:
  So far I only have seen accounts against various neos user, impersonating them and trying to speak in their names.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 18:14:44
content:
  Are you now going on a Personal level?
  I spoke out what is fact. They needed to report various accounts today.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:15:05
edit_date: 2022-03-30 19:15:51
content:
  The professional circles within the furry fandom operate like a fraternal organization. As somebody who has been involved in it for years I've seen a lot of nepotism and back-scratching within the community, to the point where in certain places like Silicon Valley being involved is seen as a career move.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:32:08
content:
  They'll say crypto is bad for the environment on Twitter while also driving up fursuit prices to insane numbers from their crypto earnings.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:33:53
edit_date: 2022-03-30 20:38:32
content:
  The irony of the furry fandom is that everybody tries to larp being a socialist who hates money but the entire thing is rooted in capitalism, all the way from the vast dealers dens at conventions to the social hierarchy being structured by how much money you throw at a fursuit. Art commissions, costume commissions, the entire thing is one big capitalist marketplace but if you even remotely suggest that it is - it's insta-outrage and denial.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:35:28
content:
  Which still is. 
  But there are some very popular builders and their prices explodes. Which is normal when you are just completly overwhelmed by demand.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:37:13
content:
  My point is that the demand is being driven by crypto-rich furries. That $50,000 coyote suit on dealers den was sold to a bitcoin investor.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:41:41
content:
  Which is why I think the anti-capitalist mantra from the fandom is hypocritical, especially when furries say that crypto is bad while also profiting from it.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:48:42
content:
  It's a symptom of a larger problem and it's something we're even seeing with the Neos developers and from within the community itself. I know for a fact that certain people who have been vocally anti-crypto have also greatly profited from NCR, and the majority of them are coming from within the furry fandom.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:49:47
content:
  Which circling back around - is why I say the anti-crypto anti-capitalist rhetoric is virtual signaling.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 19:54:00
edit_date: 2022-03-30 20:40:20
content:
  Furries have mastered the art of weaponizing victimization to emotionally manipulate people into joining hate bandwagons against people they don't like. What we are seeing right now is the result of a coordinated attempt to discredit and de-platform Karel from his own product because he refused to fall in step with the furry groupthink. I believe this takeover has been on the table for a long time and they never planned on working with Karel in the end. It's textbook divide and conquer tactics. By sinking NCR and dividing the community, they believe they are minimizing Karel's involvement.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 20:08:16
content:
  Fuck off you plant. Nobody here believes for a second that you are anything but a sock puppet trying to give fuel to the discord group.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 20:25:33
content:
  Can we actually involve law enforcement on that? Death threats are illegal in many places on the earth afaik


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 20:27:59
content:
  Karel can you please give someone the ability to moderate shit like this while your sleeping? There is no one since reactent left.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 21:01:37
edit_date: 2022-03-30 21:25:16
content:
  I was there at the board of directors meeting in January when Karel presented the 2022 roadmap. It was very clear from the sentiment in the room that the developers were very not okay with Karel starting to act like a CEO and I believe this pushback has been a result of people not wanting him to be anything more than a CFO. They've always seen Frooxius as the real head of Solirax and now they're trying to actually make that happen.


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 21:32:21
edit_date: 2022-03-30 21:34:18
content:
  the effort to get all devs to sign off on karel being the problem is to create a vague narrative without substance, but thats not hard to accomplish when youre all friends


type: message
date: 2022-03-30 21:43:13
edit_date: 2022-03-31 00:38:50
content:
  There is definitely a lot of nepotism that happens within the furry tech community and Neos is no exception. It would be easier to empathize with their concerns if this takeover situation wasn't such a cliché for furry projects. I've seen it happen enough times in the past to know how they operate, and in the end it's all power and control games. The Second Life viewer development circles were very similar.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 00:36:02
edit_date: 2022-03-31 00:37:40
content:
  Well for what it’s worth, I’m glad that Karel is at a full gloves-off mode. They are not here for a dialogue so there’s no point in pretending that there can be any. I do however suggest that Karel release a statement outlining what exactly happen that lead to this fraction. Fragmented twitter responses don’t paint a helpful picture and drags neos’ already tarnished image further down the toilet.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 00:40:35
edit_date: 2022-03-31 00:42:52
content:
  For example, tagging Geenz’ employer on twitter was an unnecessary cheap shot. I know that geenz did much worse by trying to ruin Karel’s life project and waste people’s money who only wanted to support the project, but still. IMO these kinds of emotional response can be mitigated in a well phrased statement that aims at explaining the whole drama.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 00:49:12
edit_date: 2022-03-31 05:46:29
content:
  This shouldn’t come off as a power struggle where cofounders publicly bitch slap each other. This should be about Karel trying to save the company from a group of deeply hypocrytical and immoral people that betrayed their commnity, investors as well as a colleague in a shockingly cruel manner, while personally cashing out on the very thing they seem to oppose in the first place.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 00:53:27
content:
  If Karel is confident that Neos will rebound from this mess, he should act like such and approch this dispute forcefully and professionally, with impaccable articulation. This is not about the dispute itself, but also about how people would see neos once the dispute is settled, hopefully with some of the devs out of the door (not sure if I can call them that any more since they haven’t really been developping, even though they have full control over development).


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 01:09:52
edit_date: 2022-03-31 01:12:08
content:
  If a resolution is never met I think a new platform can be developed from the ground-up with 4-5m in startup capital. Instead of onboarding part-time volunteers, Karel can build a new team of full-time professionals that improve on a lot of the aspects of Neos while keeping the in-world content creation spirit of it. Trying to market and commercialize a project while the team working on it is actively sabotaging growth and trying to keep it exclusive to their niche community is like treading water with concrete boots on. Without the weight of people dragging him down, I think Karel could accomplish great things as the figurehead of a new project with NCR as the centerpiece, even if the currency has to be re-named.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 01:16:22
content:
  NCR had almost half a billion dollar valuation at one point. If Karel were to spearhead his own project I don't see funding being an issue.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 01:18:00
edit_date: 2022-03-31 01:19:32
content:
  Frooxius would have Neos as it currently stands. I'm talking about a completely new ground-up project that allows for a clean divorce between the two camps.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 01:27:12
edit_date: 2022-03-31 01:30:42
content:
  With that said, Karel would be entitled to NCR and all of the funds raised through it including all of the crypto wallets. I think that would be a fair resolution.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 01:40:44
content:
  Don't really see that as much of a compromise. That is basically giving the discord everything they're demanding.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 03:01:34
edit_date: 2022-03-31 03:36:27
content:
  hope karel can start new platform based on crypto-funds like the victoria or bloktopia one. 
  interesting match between 2 cofounders. business vs hobby


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 04:11:19
edit_date: 2022-03-31 04:39:52
content:
  Just fork it, have a crypto version lead by Karel going its own direction and the other led by furries. No point fighting over this for years. Make it beneficial for both parties and just move on or this will be the biggest mistakes for everyone in Soliraxis


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 04:11:57
content:
  Karel has millions and he can hire devs to work on the fork, shouldn't take too long with Froox on it as well


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 04:24:55
content:
  everyone agrees on fork?
  then the suggestion made by community, signed by community would be nice option


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 10:44:56
content:
  🚀@Shibtoken $SHIB team has unveiled details of its own VR Metaverse with land plots

  Land buyers will generate passive income, gather in-game resources, and generate rewards. #VR #Metaverse will be developed in #Shibarium, their own #layer2 solution.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 20:55:13
content:
  I meant Froox working on the needed changes for the fork, the guy is a machine. Now NeosVR is dead in the water


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 21:45:13
edit_date: 2022-03-31 21:45:42
content:
  I think it's important to remember that NCR isn't going away just because the vocally anti-crypto furries say it is. The only two people who can dictate the future of NCR are Karel and Froox, both of who are still in support of NCR existing - even if Froox wants it to exist as a 3rd party component.


type: message
date: 2022-03-31 23:18:59
content:
  when my children ask what those tokens are and well. It will be said that they come from some geniuses in the scam. scammers since youth


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:17:39
content:
  I still hold that a third party is the only real chance NCR has imo as split development on two versions of the code would be a development nightmare if Karel was to try to retain compatibility with the Main branch and beyond the technical hurdles, it would split the community onto two platforms which isn't a great thing.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:24:15
content:
  I don't think a fork of Neos is the answer either. In the end it would need to be a ground-up re-write headed up by a long-time industry professional with leadership experience and a pedigree of delivering successful software projects. Somebody like a former senior engineer at Unity, Unreal, or Adobe.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:29:17
content:
  In the end I think Tomas walking away with Frooxengine and Karel walking away with NCR and any funds raised through it is a fair compromise.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:32:43
content:
  I do think the funds should be split between the two as people did give those funds to support both Froox and teams vision and later some to hype NCR


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:35:16
content:
  Also could you elaborate on your thoughts, cause just saying someones wrong doesnt really leave much to talk about


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:36:29
edit_date: 2022-04-01 04:32:37
content:
  If the current team doesn't want NCR involved I don't think they should be entitled to anything related to it including whatever capital was raised through it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:38:42
content:
  I don't really think that's fair because when spliting funds regardless of how they were raised should be also split between the owners as the intent behind the people giving the funds was to support the development froox was doing and some also for supporting NCR, this is why currently a lot of us have pulled out of ex patreon since those funds wont be going to support development currently


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:39:23
content:
  Could you elaborate exactly what they are bad at, I'm assuming you mean the core Dev team so let's scope to that.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:40:54
edit_date: 2022-04-01 04:33:59
content:
  Neos isn't looking for mass adoption currently as it's still in heavy active development with UX/UI updates down the line and more, we need a lot more polish before mass advertising. Neos could have a higher playerbase but trying to get one now INDEV is not really a smart move as it would mostly turn people off of the platform


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:41:07
edit_date: 2022-04-01 00:43:38
content:
  I agree but there's a little more nuance to it than that. It's not always as easy as taking somebody else's code and picking up where they left off. If Karel has the funding and resources to do a ground-up re-write I think it would be a good opportunity to learn from the shortcomings of Neos and improve upon it with a team of veteran Silicon Valley software developers who have experience writing and optimizing development environments.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:48:53
content:
  I think Tizzy, correct me if im wrong, is going for a hard split where Froox and Karel work on their own new projects with Froox retaining current code ownership and Karel retaining funding

  I want a Funding split but am fine with the hard split software wise.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:49:42
content:
  But i also think that this would hurt NCR and think for NCR a Third party solution is prefered since it would 1 Fast track a transaction api and 2 not split the community


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:50:10
content:
  3rd party ncr idea isnt bad idea.
  But it will not happen cus that will leave Karel nothing. 
  Ppl say neos is Tomas's passion work, but then Karel has no passion or love for Neos? He only has love for crypto? I dont think so....


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:51:06
content:
  Karel isnt going to give up the rights to the code, why would he. And the suggestion that he would give it up AND pay froox/dev team for basically being kicked out of his own company is ridiculous.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:52:02
content:
  I mean, you can clearly see his investedness into the NCR side of things however his actual participation in NEOS in person at least has been pretty sporadic over the years.

  He barely ever got online and in the past months ive not seen him at all.

  VS the team including the core dev team and Froox who i see online pretty much daily


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:53:41
content:
  TBH hypothetically assuming that Karel got code ownership, this also doesnt really help him as owning an IP doesn't get you documented code, so eitherway i think for Karel if he does want his won first party metaverse starting from scratch is the only option, but i dont think its good for neither NCR nor Community


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:54:44
content:
  The problem with 3rd party NCR is that it still remains beholden to Neos the platform which still allows for a certain level of gatekeeping. With the current team and userbase pushing back against platform growth I don't really see a situation in which NCR remains relevant enough to be viable.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:55:03
content:
  and its not reallh Karel owning. Its Solirax that owns, and Froox still owns the code that way. Froox owns the code anyway


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:55:32
content:
  What my point is that Karel may be passionate about "Metaverse" and NCR but he doesn't really seem to have much interest in using NEOS himself, which isn't necesarily bad but can bring issues when it comes to trying to give directions for things like development, since from a dev standpoint you want your "product owners" to be knowledgable about the product.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:56:25
content:
  The main point is that even If Karel can block work on current neos code he can not force himself to be given documented code for his new team to work on


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:56:37
content:
  Even if starting from scratch ends up the preferred option, IP ownership is much of his leverage right now. This is just more discord propaganda to try to suggest that Karel leaving and starting over with his own company as if the last 7 years didn't happen is actually somehow the best path for him. Ridiculous.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:57:07
content:
  As i said, knowing the product, as in using it, he doesnt need indepth code knowledge just knowledge of how the product functions and works etc to give a clear direction


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:57:45
content:
  I have multiple times stated that this is not the best option for him, I dont know why you are so hostile


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:58:08
content:
  I think if Karel wants to fully realize his original vision for both Neos and NCR, he needs to be able to grow a new project with full autonomy and the financial resources to materialize it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:59:43
content:
  If I just want NCR to recover, there's many different ways.... but it may not suit for Karel or Solirax or Froox or team members or Neos users etc.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 00:59:49
content:
  Then NCR is worthless for the foreseeable future. The only reason any of us invested was because Neos was an actual working platform. In the event of a hard fork, what's left? A dude in Czech with a couple million in ETH that's behind Neos, Decentraland, Sandbox, etc.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:00:05
content:
  As a by the way my offer from a month ago still stands to anyone who has not yet been in neos and would like an introduction I am more than happy to show things off within neos to people, theres a lot of cool stuff you can do in it


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:01:14
content:
  3rd party NCR means that NCR will only ever do as well as Neos - and if Karel has no control over Neos post-hard split, he has no control over the growth of the token.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:02:18
content:
  This would require either open sourcing which is years out and the team most likely wouldnt agree to or a closed fork which I really dont think the team would give Karel the code and theres no legal way he could obtain it


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:02:29
content:
  The furries have clearly stated that they want nothing to do with NCR, Karel, or even crypto in general. You can be guaranteed that they will not be acting in the best interest of NCR even if it is attached as a 3rd party component - in fact I can see the opposite being the case.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:03:36
content:
  I'm certainly not advocating for a third party solution. That's been the discord suggestion all along that's been soundly rejected by the crypto community. The best outcome for Karel is that he gets IP ownership, or at least a non-exclusive perpetual license, and then uses his funds to continue on in a separate project apart from Froox/devs.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:03:39
content:
  There's a lot of us who are still saying that NCR support is a possibility and not a bad thing third party mainly since it opens up a Transaction API in general which is just a great thing but i can see what you mean


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:04:34
content:
  Like without having a documented copy of the source code ownership means just that Froox cant continue working on the sourcecode


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:07:10
content:
  Not necessarily the case. I think NCR could be migrated and the existing holders would retain their positions through whatever name and company the new token would be issued under.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:08:03
content:
  Yes, it could be migrated, but that would be a brand new entity with no IP or product. That's an entirely different investment proposition than Neos, which, while unrefined, still has a working platform.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:08:41
content:
  As an example if i have a copy of Mulan and for some reason disney wans a copy of mulan from me, they have no legal way of obtaining it


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:08:47
edit_date: 2022-04-01 04:44:04
content:
  Agreed, but it's better than slowy sinking to 0 as a 3rd party component of a platform with 200 concurrent users playing online furry convention.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:10:34
content:
  Agree that it's better than 3rd party, but that's not the alternative on the table here. The true alternative, and why a lawsuit is being filed, is for Karel to retain control over the existing Neos code so that if he does choose to part ways, he's not starting over from 0.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:10:43
content:
  Beyond company accounts and possibly hardware repossesion theres not really much way of doing such is my point.

  There's no court order for you to send over source code you used to work on that you did not steal


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:11:40
content:
  Like IIRC PS or XBOX had at one point ordered return of Dev Kit machines which only works because those are physical hardware not just software


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:12:42
content:
  There's no claim to be made that the copy of Mulan on my PC is somehow property i need to return to disney


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:12:46
content:
  First of all, you're assuming that Karel doesn't already have his own back up of the source code. Is that true? I don't know. 

  Second, yes, courts can definitely order the devs to turn over source code if it determines that the code rightfully belongs to Solirax. They can refuse to comply, but that would then result in contempt proceedings against them, which could end up in monetary fines and even jail, because at that point you're violating court order.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:14:09
content:
  Ah sorry i dropped the clarifier at some point, im talking about fully documented source code tot he point a seperate team could actually make use of it and work on it without you know having to reverse engineer every little thing to figure out what things do


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:15:07
content:
  its really hard thing to do.. like reverse engineers will need to work for months.
  but thats way better.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:15:44
content:
  I mean they were given access to it by Solirax and for that purpose have signed NDAs i think the most they could do is request deletion possibly and even that's questionable


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:16:56
content:
  Ya, I don't know the extent to which stuff beyond the source code itself would be subject to Solirax IP rights. All I'm saying is that if a court finds the company has ownership, then it can order it (whatever "it" is) to be turned over.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:18:12
content:
  And agreed, reverse engineering and for a new team to try to pick up where Froox/team left off would certainly be an extremely difficult and challenging task. Maybe even impossible. Who knows. But that's better than any other alternative for NCR holders at this point imo.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:19:17
content:
  We disagree there and thats fine, personally i stil think third party with a slick transaction API could actually work out really well for both parties without splitting the community, but your opinions valid too.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:19:21
content:
  we are few. It would be great if Karel and Froox spoke here... they could generate a huge community if they agreed and just used some telegram... they have the best virtual reality project and avatars in their hands. and they only let the competition grow because they are not encouraged to scalability, to grow


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:21:13
content:
  Yup, agree to disagree. And sorry if I came across as hostile earlier. I guess having folks like Ja Kobu in here trying to spread their bullshit agenda has worn away my patience a bit.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:21:20
edit_date: 2022-04-01 01:21:31
content:
  victoria backed by maker dao
  bloktopia backed by Animoca brands....
  Neos backed by Furries

  oh no...


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:22:33
content:
  It's understandable, I personally usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt by default but i know how it can be eschausting


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:24:28
content:
  I was talking about Victoria VR, on their website they say they want to use unreal engine, but the core functions they need for a true metaverse break the Unreal engine EULA (End user license agreement)


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:25:16
content:
  Sure, that's a risk with anything. And funds could run out. But that is still a chance at life. The other alternatives on the table means certain death for NCR in my opinion. Anyways, I'm not holding NCR myself at the moment, but I'd like to throw some funds back in once there's more certainty


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:25:53
content:
  Same here I have currently pretty much stopped all my monetary support and am waiting for resolution to continue it


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:27:44
content:
  I finally sold the last thousands of my NCR after Karels opinion on Employee Privacy, I can't really stand behind such


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:30:24
content:
  I restructured my stuff when we were at around 7$ to secure against possible loss and then continued to hold a big sum,  now I just have it sitting as ETH possibly may reinvest


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:31:09
content:
  Ya -20% is still easily recoverable, especially in crypto. I feel terrible for the people in here who went all-in and got fucked.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 01:32:00
content:
  Yeah even if gambling like that is on the person i know how people can get addicted to this kinda stuff especially when they are pulled in by constant hype and such


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 03:09:58
content:
  The ideal situation is Karel walking away with both NCR and Neos, but it's unlikely to play out that way given Froox's half directorship and equity in Solirax LTD. I think that in order for NCR to properly work as originally intended, the team developing Neos needs to be completely onboard with NCR being a central component of the economic system. NCR existing as a 3rd party afterthought because the furries want it gone isn't the way to inspire investor confidence and recapitalize the token.

  It's definitely a bit of a nuclear option, but I think the way we get back to a $10+ situation is by divorcing NCR from Neos and starting from the ground-up with a new platform that has NCR (Or re-named migration of it) as the centerpiece of the platform as both an investment vehicle and in-world currency. Assuming that Karel is entitled to all of the existing capital raised through the ICO in November/December, I think that could be a realistic option.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 04:36:16
content:
  Also it's a bit ironic to talk about echochambers while at the same time trying to paint people you disagree with as nothing more than malicious actors and "henchmen" 

  You should take a step back and instead of throwing around accusations liike that, yknow, actually talk and discuss things with people, its a lot more productive, theres no need for rabid fights.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 05:41:47
content:
  but its allowed to speak shit to Karel officially in discord. which is just getting stronger. even the team member(geenz) is officially saying bad stuffs now.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 05:44:33
content:
  Yes you are allowed to say both negative and positive things about Karel and the team as long as you arent insulting people n such.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 05:45:14
edit_date: 2022-04-01 13:25:44
content:
  If someone was to drop into the discord and say that Karel is [insert slur here] that stuff would get shut down pretty quickly


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 06:27:36
content:
  It depends on what people are saying exactly, if they are just expressing their dislike of crypto etc thats fine aslong as they dont yknow start throwing around slurs and such


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 06:33:04
content:
  This is what Shifty also originally said when a person was making a list of "karel supporters" or however it was phrased


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 07:46:29
content:
  Honestly the main thing in here that i want is that both sides remain civil and calm and that things like slurs are removed we dont need pointless slurs, neither here nor in the discord, people can express their discontent without slurs n such


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 08:21:52
content:
  i just dont want to get into mess anymore. its waste of my time.
  Waiting for Karel&Froox to compromise is all we can do.

  but Froox is too quiet.. too quiet.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 08:24:03
content:
  I mean, I have no clue why Karel is saying anything, considering possible legal battles, this is most likely why Froox has been silent as it's most likely been advised by a lawyer


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 08:24:52
content:
  A lot of the people in the Discord community lost money, including now the MMC winners this year. Of course we are dissapointed.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 08:39:08
edit_date: 2022-04-01 08:39:16
content:
  I dont know why people are doing that still now since the mint page does have a disclaimer that trading prices may be lower


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 08:49:56
content:
  The difference in price is just what happaned after the mint got boosted and then the price fell later by people selling


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 09:04:47
content:
  Honestly wish NCR mint transactions had been automated before the boom would've probably been lighter on Karel also


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 09:21:37
content:
  Yeah but that's usual, if people don't like something they are usually more vocal about the thing that people who don't mind it


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 09:23:49
content:
  The important part is that we don't let ourselves be pulled into this false dichotomy that tribalism is. On both sides. 

  Only when we put aside such needless hostilities can we have civil discussions that benefit us all.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 09:27:49
content:
  Yeah the events have definitely not been great and even some with neutral views initially definitely now have a more negative outlook on things.

  Although i'd assume that's more an outlook on Karel himself more than anything.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 10:56:17
content:
  Considering the team beyond Karel does not have access to the money that would be a pretty terrible scam


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:00:36
content:
  If someone is not going to support a {Token} from an ICO that was supported to fund that project, I see no actual sane reason to fund that someone from the money the ICO of {Token} collected. No matter which project that is


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:03:34
content:
  It could even be, for example, creating a fair. When building said fair, you'd collect money by issuing tokens, that can be used at the fair, so the promise. When the fair is half done and the ICO skyrocketed so they had enough money, they suddenly announce, that you cannot use those tokens at the fair any more. That's kind of a scam, isn't it?


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:05:12
content:
  Yeah, so let's change it, the fair would no longer exclusively run on those tokens, but it would made them optional and they'd hire a 3rd party to handle those tokens. Why would anyone want to buy those tokens any more? Espectially as the 3rd party's only way to make money from accepting the tokens would be selling these tokens on the market


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:05:49
content:
  No one would be interested in those tokens any more, because of the volatility and because they could just use their fiat at the fair


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:07:11
edit_date: 2022-04-01 11:07:19
content:
  Or another example, the makers decided to make the fair itself free, so no tokens are needed at the fair any more, but support is still there allowing people to trade whatever they brought to the fair with each other using tokens


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:07:33
content:
  If NCR dies just because FIAT is an option then that doesn't sound like NCR has much point, i personally dont think it would and i dont support having a single monopoly payment processor anyway, NCR or not, we should have options


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:08:07
content:
  Then NCR and the ICO shouldn't have been done in the beginning. It's too late now, the damage has been done


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:09:43
edit_date: 2022-04-01 11:10:08
content:
  btw, fiat is also based on that same principle of needlessly restrictive. The government enforces that paying debts must be possible with that government issued fiat.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:09:53
content:
  The benefits of using NCR would be entirely up to Karel as third party, he could offer lower or no fees to compete with other payment methods


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:10:07
edit_date: 2022-04-01 11:10:30
content:
  It were too early. yes.
  I think the whole situation would look a ton different, if ncr were introduced to be minted a couple months before the marketplace can actually be worked on. Not in its current state, there are several milestones still missing for that.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:12:26
content:
  Due to the negativity against all that crypto, I don't see a possibility for that in the near future though


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:12:55
content:
  I dont think the barrier to entry is equal there but this is also why easy exchanges are required, processors like paypal nowadays support most currencies and can perform a simple swap for you almost for free


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:13:43
edit_date: 2022-04-01 11:14:00
content:
  As well could the marketplace support a simple swap from fiat to NCR when buying. No barrier to entry for the customer side there


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:15:36
content:
  If it was first party and the marketplace, the funds through marketplace purchases would directly go to Neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:16:01
content:
  That's also why Linden Labs bought the 3rd party marketplace and integrated it into their own systems


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:17:13
content:
  Then NCR would be first party? I thought it would be 3rd party, but then the transaction api would also need to be at the 3rd party


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:17:40
content:
  Karel would be able to interface with neos through the methods exposed by the transaction API that the team releases


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:19:55
content:
  Nonesense would be converting a crypto currency to a fully controlled ingame money, while already having thousends of wallets.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:24:28
content:
  Tilia also doesn't own L$, L$ is first party in Second Life. Tilia is just a 3rd party exchange service


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:49:25
content:
  I'm personally not much of a fan of exclusivity deals but it's better than a full lock out of all alternatives


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 11:54:43
content:
  Yeah I can see that, since it would give a competitive advantage to NCR over other crypto currencies. it's understandable


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:03:11
content:
  I think it should go further to the marketplace being NCR exclusive with an exchange that could also be automatically be put in front to allow for a big amount of other currencies to be used


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:17:36
content:
  I'm thinking about the marketplace having a small transaction fee to be paid in NCR to sink into the Neos wallet


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:19:22
content:
  And additional fees for the payment processor, if customers decide to pay in other currency, paid by the customer. And if the merchant decides to have all marketplace sells to be received in other currency, they'd pay those instance transaction fees as well


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:22:14
content:
  I'd also tie that marketplace to NCR, so the ICO made sense to begin with. Also I'd tie the licensing system, whenever it happens, also to only work with marketplace purchases


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:25:53
content:
  I'd kind of like to see, if there was a continuation of Neos with NCR being optional... then I'm looking forward to see two separate instances that do not interoperate with each other. One place without NCR and without marketplace, but would have to abide by the content ID system. The other place that is with NCR and marketplace tightly integrated


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:26:35
edit_date: 2022-04-01 12:26:57
content:
  That way NCR can be 3rd party and it would be tightly integrated into its own instance of a metaverse. However that'd be effectively what a fork would be


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:30:09
content:
  anyone whos ever worked on maintaining a forked project and had to back port code from main can tell you this


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:31:05
content:
  So you see that NCR would be split off and be essentially given a deaht setence immediately as beneficial?


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:31:51
content:
  Where do you see a death sentence there? I don't see it, as a different development team could catch up and start working on Neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:33:39
content:
  Could someone else work on code for karel, possibly yeah.
  Is that feasible competitively? hell no

  Some poor dev team having to reverse engineer undocumented code and pray to whatever dark lords they believe in to maintain compatibility for long enough is literally hell


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:37:04
content:
  I don't know that coming as an outside dev onto a new project with no one to introduce you to the codebase and teach you how things were done previously is hellish? I'm sorry but you cant honestly be arguing that this is not a hard thing to do


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:37:44
content:
  it is not a hard thing to do. I've done it before. There is worse code. Even when no source is available


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:39:02
content:
  therefore to destroy the fear in FUD. It is feasible and a fork and incompatibility won't necessarily hurt either project


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:39:23
content:
  Alright, good for your skills i guess but generally speaking people within development circles would agree with the statement and heavily prefer proper documentation if not one of the current devs to introduce them to it. its really not a wildly uncommon opinon


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:39:40
content:
  The only thing that'd be hurt is, that one cannot treat it as a pure passion project alone or they might fall behind


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:42:03
content:
  We are both literally stating our opinions on what we thnk is the best direction for the project in the future


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 12:48:16
edit_date: 2022-04-01 12:48:24
content:
  I am not saying that having those freedoms were a good thing for Frooxius. It was a toxic relationship and shouldn't have been like that


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:40:58
content:
  yeah! think that Karel's version has 0 content, then isnt that just excellent for original dev team????

  Im quite sure they want to see that


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:44:10
content:
  He's not pretending, Geenz and I both think that NCR still has a chance and could succeed as a useful part of neos as a third party system.

  We generally want a positive outcome for both sides.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:47:38
content:
  Which would work if you were of the opinion that a Fork would be beneficial and succeed, neither me nor geenz as evident by his posts thinks a fork is a good idea for NCR


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:50:20
content:
  I never claimed it's 100% not many things are 100% certain, it's about probability and what you think is the safest direction


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:50:40
content:
  I'm seeing creators coming back to Karel's fork, who have already left because they felt unwelcome by the current community


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:51:48
edit_date: 2022-04-01 15:52:06
content:
  There won't be an original version, as both sides would be forks of the original. In case there would be a fork


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:53:05
content:
  However that fork might not look like, how there are multiple viewer versions for second life, but rather the forks might be separate metaverses with only limited to no interoperability


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:57:51
content:
  Given, the amount of funds that Karel has access to, it's possible to hire good programmers to advance Neos at a fast pace and thus control the vision of the Neos metaverse. Leaving that other fork of Neos behind


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:59:14
content:
  wanna find out!!
  no one knows who will win but anyways, any success for both party is good for users.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 15:59:33
content:
  Also it'd certainly be unfair for any ICO funds to actually go to a fork that doesn't want to integrate NCR


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:00:59
content:
  afaik the NCR for Patreon were minted, but the money stayed in the patreon funds and were not used for buybacks


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:05:34
edit_date: 2022-04-01 16:06:01
content:
  Therefore it made no difference, whether the NCR reward was accepted or not, the funding from Patreon to Neos was the same. Nothing of Patreon got allocated as ICO money


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:12:59
content:
  The money submitted through patreon does move the batch progress but does not have anything to do with eth yeah


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:18:40
content:
  btw, in case of a fork and two different Neos-based metaverses are developing, this doesn't necessarily exclude a possible merger in the future


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:23:35
content:
  original 0 paid dev team vs new paid dev team

  patreon backed vs ncr backed

  Froox vs Karel

  Non-crypto vs Crypto


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:24:40
content:
  Karel's version will begin with crypto-community users just like victoria. product exist but no edits for long time.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:26:22
content:
  I guess that might happen. Gives time for the passion project to develop and aquire funds through patreon


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:30:05
content:
  also, as the ICO funds are "locked" in NCR, those funds depend on the value of NCR. If progress doesn't make it look like NCR can be used, then the funds are gone


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:31:17
content:
  If Karel make deal where he keep possible millions and dev get nothing. This is problem and reason for taking long.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:33:11
content:
  However, the money I put into the minting. That is money I want to see being used for developing a metaverse with a marketplace that tightly integrates NCR to give it utility


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:33:52
content:
  give them 800 eth. and lets see how the fund used for Froox. they are not gonna hire anyone so.. maybe they can split money for themselves


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:33:58
content:
  The money I put into Patreon is money I want to see being used in developing a metaverse that I love so much, no matter if it implements NCR or not


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:35:47
edit_date: 2022-04-01 16:36:09
content:
  So ... the recent discussion reads like that every eth that got put into minting ncr, just landed into a wallet from Solirax. And NCR were just manually given out with no connection to it as a backing, If I understood that right.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:38:32
edit_date: 2022-04-01 16:38:48
content:
  And minting batches, that were reserved for Patreon rewards and CDFT did not add funds to the ICO wallet


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:39:46
edit_date: 2022-04-01 16:39:59
content:
  however I also thought that ETH would be bought to mint NCR for Patreon or for CDFT, although it wouldn't make sense


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:46:05
content:
  it didn't allow for speculative usage, like for a buyback, except that buyback was also listed in the whitepaper


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 16:56:46
content:
  Ahh, I found it, https://etherscan.io/tx/0xa51a24f802b016aeb5f47ba67d0eca6bd92e495361260ad0389adbbbc5cc99e3


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 21:13:54
edit_date: 2022-04-01 21:15:41
content:
  Looks like somebody bought back into a top 25 NCR wallet position today which is why the price jumped.


type: message
date: 2022-04-01 21:14:40
content:
  https://etherscan.io/token/0xdb5c3c46e28b53a39c255aa39a411dd64e5fed9c?a=0x697b771f18ba878b81d00b652046fe601da433ad


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 05:31:16
content:
  kinda diagree with giving them that, after Froox sought to drag us through the mud with no skin off his back.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 05:32:15
edit_date: 2022-04-02 05:51:44
content:
  no thanks. He and his team dont care about NCR or its holders. They shouldnt get a penny of our money


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 05:55:28
content:
  The thing here is that plenty of people wnet into ncr to support the development of neos not just to support NCR as a product


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 06:06:42
content:
  then it's a shame Froox and his team had taken an apathetic at best approach to the token and later betrayed that trust with running channels in NCR about brainstorming how to remove NCR


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 06:31:11
content:
  the truth is that in the end this is a fraud of both karel and froox. I bought at 0.12 usd (within the first 350 holders) and sold from 2 to 9 usd. I had very good earnings. so I am impartial, my pocket was not stolen but quite the contrary. i like the project, i watched a lot of videos in april and may 2021. but you can't steal money from people to finance your project if you can easily respect the usefulness of the token in the hands of investors.. you can sell nft, create many things and therefore, having the token in the power of the project again to continue financing itself... I don't see the point of all this. Why generate losses to 6000 holders who could promote the site more. they are geniuses please... as geniuses they are they should have values... and ensure the welfare of their followers. a low of the token by market is fine. but a low due to the threat of discontinuing the usefulness of the token is not rational...


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 07:03:31
content:
  ok.. thats what Froox is hearing exactly, nice summing up 
  but its just excuse as I see.
  and it just says that he didnt care for ncr value is true


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 07:38:02
content:
  lets see how this turns out. Froox havent said anything, i have small faith that he can take care of ncr holders too.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 09:53:50
content:
  No financial instrument has ever worked by being optional. However, I'm curious about examples that prove me wrong


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 09:58:28
content:
  Yeah I don't think 3rd party NCR is the answer, especially because it would be at the mercy of a platform that Karel would no longer have control over.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 10:02:59
edit_date: 2022-04-02 10:05:44
content:
  That's why I hope that to create an irrelevance for NCR this is done by forking off a separate Metaverse with the same technology. That way another one can live on which keeps the relevance of NCR


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 10:03:47
content:
  Also that way Karel would no longer control one of the forks, that should be in the interest of whoever wants to use and develop that one


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 10:18:27
edit_date: 2022-04-03 13:06:23
content:
  Yeah sure a hard fork with Karel maintaining his own version completely separately from the Froox version. A complete seperaton


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 15:41:50
content:
  either a hard fork, or they just work out their differences and Froox's team stops being toxic assholes but I don't see that happening.

  Everytime I see Geenz pop up it makes me want to puke with how that passive aggressive manchild acts and I realize Karel is absolutely in his right to want to cut assholes like that loose


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 15:43:10
edit_date: 2022-04-02 16:01:37
content:
  In any group there are certain people who are just combatative and aligned toward drama and conflict and its clear there are team members who are like that and have blown this whole thing up


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 15:45:45
content:
  and I hate to say to but usually you can count on there being atleast one such person within a group of furries. There's always one who acts edgy, likes to gossip, start arguments and try to turn people against one another


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:14:46
content:
  I stil have no clue why you hate geenz so mch, hes like the only one who's been talking about wanting to continue to support NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:18:17
content:
  he's been very vocal about not caring about ncr and that he and the other devs dont want to have anything to do with it


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:18:28
content:
  Yes, me and geenz both agree on that also that this could be a possibility, and yes i know hes been in here, he got wrongfully banned by reactant when he left just like reactant blocked my permissions to post


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:20:22
content:
  like this is the wrong place to try to comvince ppl that telling then to fuck off and build products for your platform is "supporting you".


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:20:35
content:
  He and I both think that NCR could thrive third party, which if that would come to pass would be positive for both the crypto community and the wider market.
  It's not the option that you favor but it's an option that could still turn out favorable


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:21:17
content:
  and he was right to ban Geenz. This isnt his place to lord over, as he's against the interest of the investors and only wanted to be in here to argue.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:22:08
content:
  He stated pretty much no different opinions from my own when he was here and just asked questions.

  He didn't lord over anyone just tried to legitemately engage with this chat


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:22:28
content:
  we disagree in that you seem to think the worst possible direction "eh could turn out okay" and no we here in reality know thats not true.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:23:59
content:
  We just have two different outlooks on how things could turn out, it's ok to disagree you dont have to ridicule or insult people over it, by sugesting they arent living in reality.

  Needless hostility is not productive and is actually the very toxicity you seem to not like.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:24:17
content:
  I simply believe he being here in some official capacity is not constructive, where he holds some privledged position and then gets to pop in with approval or diaapproval of our opinions. No thanks. Reactant was right to ban him. And the ban afaik was temporary.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:26:03
content:
  My point on the ban being wrongful is that geenz did nothing that would have warranted modeative actions

  He did not insult anyone, nor did he attack anyone, he simply stated his own thoughts on the matter and asked some completely normal questions.

  I still see it as an overstep to ban him because irregardless of who he is the same rights should apply to anyone in here


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:26:37
content:
  We should all be able to civilly talk to each other without needless hostility or prejudice. No matter what opinions we hold.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:27:04
edit_date: 2022-04-02 22:00:44
content:
  because I see these opinions as something we've moved past. Its tiresome to rehash the arguments over again about why NCR as a third party is a literal death sentence to it. 

  Suggesting it is like gaslighting. Its like whenthr discord allowed people to create threads on "Neos without NCR" as a hostile statement to the token holders. Its like trying to get us to drink poison.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:28:48
content:
  There's no such thing as past opinion, literally everything on the future of NCR/NEOS is speculation and opinon, you have your reasons others have theirs.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:29:28
edit_date: 2022-04-02 16:29:39
content:
  Assuming he was here in bad faith is not a good way to start out, just because you disagree with him, he was not being hostile nor attacking anyone


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:29:36
content:
  and its my opinion that its gaslighting. To keep pushing something forward suggestions for someone to willingly accept something that is their own financial demise.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:30:10
content:
  You don't need to agree just because someone disagrees, it's completely valid to continue to hold to your opinion


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:31:06
content:
  we know him from discord and twitter. And its not us who made the discord a hostile place for NCR investors or people who believe in crypto.

  And what, they ran all of us out of the discord and now want to follow us here looking for petty arguments. No thanks man.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:33:07
content:
  Assuming you were not banned for something you are more than welcome in the discord as long as you remain civil


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:34:33
edit_date: 2022-04-02 18:30:04
content:
  and lets be clear, and I believe you both know this too... Making NCR fuck off to be third party is only being suggested because it requires NO work or cost to the devs. It costs then nothing and they want to work it fancy to say "it could work out bro, just give it a chance" when anyone with a mind clearly knows that a currency off to the side with no utility asking to be used or requiring a third party plugin that could be a security risk and has NO official support is a literal death sentence to it. And its not me saying that, look how the market reacted at the mere suggestion of it? an 80% dump?


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:35:36
content:
  only reason to suggest it "could work" is if you dont care about ncr and want to capitulate to Froox in hopes he can start developing the game


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:36:06
content:
  luckily we dont need to be held hostage to such a negligent and malicious suggestion because Karel has already turned it dowb


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:37:27
content:
  sure, and if I have an opinion that goes against the flow there I can get 8 people shouting down at me and sneering passive aggressively at me and even get mods and devs talking down to me


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:38:22
content:
  The second option you offered above is that Karel and Froox make up and continue to work together..... which most of the team at least the dev team for certain have stated they do not want anything to do with Karel.

  As such all of my speculations take this into account.

  Which the three main options currently spoken on are
  Third party
  Soft fork
  Hard fork

  Which you know which i align with already


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:40:25
edit_date: 2022-04-02 16:40:41
content:
  Ah yeah forgot about that one but iirc ive mentioned it in the past as a hypothetical, i dont think its likely though


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:41:17
content:
  Here's to hoping, and I think that is the direction he is going. Apparently Froox (and some here) cant see an option that doesnt involve maliciously fucking over their own investors.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:42:21
content:
  Yeah no I have full hopes for a hard fork, Karel shuld be easily able to hire top devs to remake neos into a glorious state


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:42:46
content:
  like, why can't they come to agreements to keep NCR first party, let Karel or even thenselves, hire some people to work on it, and work out agreements to distribute some of the NCR as an incentive for doing so?


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:43:16
content:
  the reason is that the devs simply do not like NCR and despite pretending to say otherwise, want it gone


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:44:55
content:
  well theyre being forced to negociate with him now. And if the discomfort of briefly working with someone is far greater for them than the financial havoc theyd like us all to suffer, then I say fuck em.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:46:02
content:
  With a hard fork they wouldnt have to work together and NCR would be first party in Karels metaverse


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:46:30
content:
  Karel has stated he'd be willing to work things out and compromise. The clause of no compromise comes from Froox's side. Thats whats unhealthy for development.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:47:29
content:
  I dont think not compromising on that you dont want to work with someone again after the conduct they have performed is wrong


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:48:01
content:
  I mean that would also essentially cause a split because as has been said the dev team would not work for karel


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:48:35
content:
  Well you could go through the Teams announcements on that and what team members have said about working with him for their reasons


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:49:42
content:
  I have. Ive read all the annoubcements and I fail to see anything so terrible as to say "this guy is so awful to work with, we here at the team would rather fuck you all over than try to work things out"


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:50:15
content:
  and Ive seen how the devs act toward me and Ive seen how they act on twitter in comparison to Karel and Ive drawn my own conclusions.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:51:24
content:
  One of my own reasons for why i personally wouldnt want to work for Karel would be as an example his stance on employee privacy


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:52:35
content:
  hard to have that opinion when the employee is doggedly and slyly insulting you after every move you make.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:54:07
content:
  Not jus, Karel as made general statements on employee privacy on top of namedropping Geenz's current employer, the name drop is a privacy violation but thats not what i mean


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:54:52
content:
  Karel has beyond just this one tweet stated that employees should not be anonymous public facingly and should be forced to use their full legal names in public facing communication with the community, which i heavily disagree with


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:55:53
content:
  Legal names for internal purposes is fine, but for public facing communication people should have a right to privacy


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:55:54
content:
  afaik Karel offered to pay any of them if they would ask for an invoice. They said they didnt need thr money, and refused it as it would make it harder for them in their plot to oit Karel.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:58:34
content:
  Base line an employee has a right to privacy yes, for legal reasons such as contracts of course internally there needs to be a legal name on record but beyond that unless the contract permits the employers usage of the employees name and likeness on things such as their website or consent is given otherwise it would be a violation of the employees privacy


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:59:33
content:
  so saying "if youre going to work for me, its going to be under your real name" is a violation? please.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 16:59:46
content:
  Public facingly anonymous, this means that people who work for the company are not visible with their legal names unless they choose to be


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:00:23
content:
  Its the same for other platforms aswell. A good example is vrchat, a friend is applying there and everyone except the HR person had nicknames instead of their real names.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:01:04
content:
  well whether that policy is good or not is one thing... but its not a violation to accept or refuse it


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:01:18
content:
  As someone who works heavily with userdata i had to take a cetification for this thing to identify personal information and categorize it also


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:02:23
content:
  So the thing is, I dont think this is a point of contension or something Karel wouldnt compromise on.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:03:26
content:
  He's stated going forward he will only employ people that use their legal names in public communications


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:03:35
content:
  it feels like nitpicking but I dont really see the big smoking gun that says "karel is a horrible person" that justifies throwing us all under the bus.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:04:40
content:
  I had to take certifications to identify personal data and such in order to report GDPR violations also since i work heavily with tons of national and internaitonal sensitive userdata


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:04:59
content:
  yeah. maybe he'll change his mind but Im sure after this whole situation what hes really saying is he wants people who are professsional or something.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:05:39
content:
  This isnt about right or wrong, im stating why i would personally not want to work for someone with karels employment demands


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:05:54
content:
  This isn't necessarily the case. You can register a 'fictitious business name' or a 'doing business as' alias. There is no legal requirement for you to use your given name.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:07:20
content:
  I've never had a job where I didnt have to give my real name. And I've never had a job where I was allowed to have a psudoanonymous name of my choosing


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:08:00
content:
  When I'm talking about the fact i would not work for an employer with such policies its kinda the only thing that matters


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:09:11
content:
  Whenever I ask "ok whats the big terrible thing Karel has done" it always gets deflected into topics like this


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:10:02
content:
  becuase we're talking about financial loss for thousands of people because "this person is hard to work with"


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:11:00
content:
  I mean you have stated yourself you have read the announcements and didnt see the big deal so i think its more just a case of you disagreeing with the severity. Which is fine, you are entitled to your opinion on that.

  It's why i brought forth additional factors such as his recently stated opinions on privacy policies since thats the only real thing to add beyond the announcements


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:11:41
content:
  Also it's not one big  thing, its many small things that culminated over time as has been explained in talks


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:16:12
content:
  Honestly i feel that when i tab back into neos and a few seconds later this chat says "40  new messages"


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:23:32
content:
  i hope one day, we can all be friendly to each other.
  but until ncr recovers, there will be emotions flying around here


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:26:02
content:
  Operating unilaterally against your equal partner's wishes is not a good move for the partnership's longevity. And unfortunately, the health of that partnership is pretty much the only remaining lifeline for the NCR economy. We cannot overlook that reality, if Froox ultimately decides to end the partnership then that's it. (I say 'if Froox', because it is clear that it is not in Karel's interest to end the partnership, not to imply a lack of agency)


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:31:02
content:
  the implication is that its not a real company and we're hostage to one person's whim. And somehow along the line it's accepted that Froox makes decisions for the whole company, yet holds no responsibility to honor promises made during fundraising to token holders


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:35:55
content:
  I think things could depend on whether it could be shown that Froox's actions hurt the company financially


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:36:36
content:
  Correct. Given that Karel's arguments rely on the theory of implied license when it comes to the work done on the product, and those licenses are implicit and non-transferable, this outcome would mean the end of this line of development.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:40:55
content:
  That would require specific contracts with all contributors. The strongest argument Karel has for having access to the Neos codebase for a product is implicit license. Which is a strong case IMO, but it comes with the limits I've outlined.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 17:44:24
content:
  im saying that its not law-forced divorce. its nego and compromise between 2 individuala that is needed


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 18:00:03
content:
  Either of them could in fact end it. That is what judicial dissolution means between equal partners. There is no tie break. It's just deeply against our interests for that to occur. I would also argue it's deeply against our interests to entertain Solirax moving forward without its CTO and lead developer. We are treading water as is. Gutting the company of its talent and existing product just means a slow death for NCR and the company.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 18:19:14
content:
  Likely a long one, yes. And not likely a favorable one for the welfare of the platform. It is why I am in favor of the explicit integration of NCR with the existing product, even if it is managed as a separate entity. Harm reduction is the best policy moving forward IMO.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 21:29:26
edit_date: 2022-04-03 03:13:33
content:
  In order for NCR to fulfill its utility as a marketplace token, the velocity of money will need to be high - meaning we will need to see an incredible amount of platform growth occur and demand for virtual goods increase along with that. The current userbase and team have made it pretty clear that they are opposed to growth which will absolutely have negative ramifications for NCR as a 3rd party component. The harsh reality is that in order for NCR to grow again, the team developing the Metaverse platform needs to be equally as invested into growing the economy. Having NCR as an afterthought for a world that has 200 user concurrency will be more of a slow death in the end and solves nothing for the investors who have lost almost half a billion dollars in value.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 22:10:48
edit_date: 2022-04-02 22:16:28
content:
  Preach, bro. And it's not just gaslighting. The disingenuous third party option is what allows them to present themselves as having the ostensible moral high ground as if they're offering a reasonable compromise that Karel and the crypto community are simply rejecting without any sound basis/proceeding to a lawsuit in bad faith. The truth is we have no other option left.


type: message
date: 2022-04-02 22:12:37
content:
  And shark, I've had conversations with Geenz about why that third party option doesn't work for NCR. He had no real rebuttal, other than saying the alternatives weren't going to work for the dev team.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 05:08:14
content:
  If your alternatives were to do with Karel and the team working together again then yeah thats not really an option. It's been made clear that the dev team would rather start over than work with Karel


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 05:09:08
content:
  No option here is perfect, it's just the options we have due to the circumstances and we all have different ideas on which is the least damaging


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 05:14:38
content:
  It is a bit tiring that for some reason you and orc keep saying that the third party is some disingenuous malicious ruse to try and appear morally higher.

  It's not, it's just a simple matter of a disagreement of opinion, and continuing to try and strawman people as being some kind of malicious actors for disagreeing with you is not productive.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 05:57:51
content:
  Disagreeing is fine as I've said many times.

  What is not productive is to claim people are purposefully trying to be malicious and disingenuous just because you disagree.

  Claiming your "opponent"(debate wise) does not actually believe their stance but is actually just disingenuously trying to morally grandstand is not productive in discussion, it's nothing more than an attack on the person.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:02:08
edit_date: 2022-04-03 06:05:37
content:
  u r very enthusiastic in correcting these stuff and I appreciate for it. cus thats actually what mods should have done in discord also.

  Please be enthusiastic in correcting that in discord too.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:25:26
content:
  froox and co were opposed to new hires. they want it to be cozy work-at-your-own-pace style hobby project for them and friends


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:25:39
content:
  I'm interested in sustainable growth, personally. I don't think that we'd benefit from another meme spike. I'd also like to see a more long-term prospectus, especially regarding how we plan to combat the deflationary tendency of NCR as we approach wider deployment. ATM we are entirely reliant on theoretical improvements on the Ethereum blockchain that we can do nothing to influence in order to make it viable to perform nrc->fiat fiat->ncr transactions on the scale that would be useful for a player-to-player marketplace, which is not a great spot to be in IMO.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:25:50
content:
  One thing i would like to encourage anyone to do is, report if you think someone is violating the rules, moderators can't monitor chats at all times and "if you see something, say something" is a very good policy for speedy moderation.

  Honestly wish Karel would get a new mod in here.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:27:27
content:
  Well but that was due to the lack of sufficient payment of current contributors/volunteers. I can understand the confusion when someone suddenly gets hired on properly while you still go largely without a fair wage


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:33:00
content:
  That said I personally do not believe that hiring on a bunch of new devs and designers right now would have caused an increase in quality of the product,  it's a pretty common thing to suggest just throwing more people at a problem but It's usually not optimal


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:40:34
content:
  Which I will continue reminding people exists for probably the rest of time :P Surprisingly few people read our seminal literature.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:41:03
content:
  Mmm Generally I'd agree there but it depends, money can be helpful if it comes to vital equipment required for the project or things such as production lines. But yes in this specific case yeah.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 06:59:10
edit_date: 2022-04-03 07:01:25
content:
  No, it was different from that. I went through and explained my perspective as to why a third-party API (without more) was essentially a death sentence for NCR, and how much of the value proposition for NCR comes from exclusivity/incentive factors that a third party simply can't provide or implement on its own without first party support. 

  All I've heard in response is how a third-party API option could be *technically* possible and that in some magical fairyland scenario, NCR *might* somehow become successful as a purely third-party integration. But no one here is contesting the technical feasibility of the third-party option, nor is anyone denying that there is some non-zero probability that it could possibly work out under ideal conditions. 

  So when that's all we hear from the discord side - with no argument as to how NCR would realistically retain actual value - we see it for what it is - it's nothing but fugazi for the coin and its holders. And to keep pushing it over and over again - at a certain point, it comes across as bad faith and/or simply pushing a conflicting agenda.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:10:02
edit_date: 2022-04-03 07:10:19
content:
  And then people like Geenz were in here and their response to what you were saying was to try to flip it into some psuedo argument against crypto as in "Well if NCR can't exist as an abandoned orphen token then I guess crypto isn't worth much hmm?" and at that point it's obvious they're just here for petty arguments and to get their kicks in while we're down(thanks to them)


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:11:09
content:
  For the third party integration, the way it could achieve competitiveness is through an exclusivity deal that would bar neos from allowing other cryptocurrencies from interfacing with the API.

  It could fail yes, as could all options Personally i think it would be more likely to succeed than a hard fork but yeah, if you disagree with that that's totally valid


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:12:43
content:
  I don't disagree that the prospects of NCR as an externally managed asset are not nearly as good, but I don't see a way forward that is better than 3rd party integration without disentangling Karel from the future of the token. Which I think we'd all agree is unrealistic. NCR wasn't ever the issue as much as there has been culture clash, it's an unfortunate casualty in mostly unrelated happenings.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:13:23
content:
  To be honest, personally, I think that if NCR and other cryptocurrencies were integrated and NCR didn't have some inherent competitiveness that makes it worth using from the manager's side then it dying is just how the free market goes.

  I personally don't like neither exclusivity deals nor restricitng peoples payment methods which is why I personally dont like those options to try and give it additional competitiveness but I can agree that it would make it more viable


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:14:07
content:
  Part of the whole point of NCR was for it to be used in-game freely between the users. Like if someone was nice to me, I could tip them a few NCR, or if I wanted to microgamble or pay in for a special event, I could. That just simply falls apart if NCR is not native to Neos and -actually supported-.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:16:17
content:
  NCR was never designed to be a competitive cryptocurrency on its own. Its entire value prop is that it was  supposedly supported by the Neos team and would therefore have essentially monopoly powers for the Neos economy itself. This argument is based entirely on a false premise.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:16:42
edit_date: 2022-04-03 07:17:48
content:
  This would still be possible people would just have more options to tip and in other currency cases with different fees attached.

  For tipping purposes, if NCR remains feeless NCR would still have an advantage in that use case.

  Even currently people can opt out of NCR receival making it impossible for you to tip them NCR, this would just give those people a non NCR way to be tipped also


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:19:01
content:
  The initial point of NCR was to raise funds for NEOS's development and to then later be used as an in Engine marketplace token, yes.

  I personally believe that NCR has a chance to compete third party due to how early it would be integrated Versus other currencies


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:19:07
content:
  Yeah we know what would be "possible" that's not an argument for its success or more importantly, what was originally promised by the company.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:20:33
content:
  I guess it's just a matter of us thnking of different hurdles in implementation and management of the direction NCR would go in.
  Which is fine.

  Personally I have nothing against a hard fork happening, I just personally dont think it optimal.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:23:24
content:
  If by furries you mean the people who are anti crypto, which is more than "furries" especially since theres furries who are fr the crypto.

  Third party ncr
  -Sub optimal for anti crypto

  Hard Fork
  -Optimal for anti crypto


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:24:31
content:
  I suppose yeah we disagree, but then again I believe NCR should have even more functionality built into it, beyond just being for a marketplace. I think it being relegated to just that purpose was a compromise to anti-crypto sentiments when I believe Karel wanted to expand its role in the future.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:24:40
content:
  hard fork summary
  - good for furries(meaning dev team+furry users)
  - good for Karel
  - possibly good or neutral for ncr


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:25:57
content:
  Expand its role how exactly? Could you elaborate a little on that, because I'm unsure what you mean there


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:28:41
content:
  crypto is evoloving fast, 
  ncr was planned years earlier so couldnt consider stuffs like,
  -governance token
  -fee/revenue accumulated to treasury
  -possibly DAOs


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:29:06
content:
  I believe services in-game should go through NCR (games, tipping, events, possibly gambling), I think a mainland should be made at some point and space purchasable or rentable with NCR, and I think NCR holders should have certain discounts on storeage just for holding it maybe. Like I dont know as its not my job to work on Neos, but those are ideas off the top of my head.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:29:58
edit_date: 2022-04-03 07:30:22
content:
  -tipping/microtransaction capability
  -revenue sharing to NCR stakers, e.g., share of fees generated by fiat transactions


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:31:36
content:
  Services is a planned thing yeah, thats part of the marketplace proposal.
  Gambling is a massive massive "may god have mercy on your soul" because of the jurisidction issues

  As for "Games" if you mean paying for access to games or such then yeah im sure that is a possibility also and events too.

  I assume by events you kinda mean like how we charge money for tickets to be part of the metamovie


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:42:17
content:
  Like not just as an NCR thing but in general such a framework is a very much nice thing to have in engine


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:47:15
content:
  Also the continued use of "furries" as the other side is kinda funny at least to me since i am part of that community


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 07:57:57
edit_date: 2022-04-03 07:58:51
content:
  I'm not about to hang anyone. I just want to be left with something after a year of accepting NCR payments for work, TBH. :P I just don't think that realisticly I'm going to see these tokens worth much without the existing ecosystem behind them. Governance was never on the table, so it's not something I ever gave much thought to (but I definitely wouldn't want it to be something you can just buy into. Even the Patreon 'board member' perks always skeved me out.). I always liked CDFT in principle, and I'd be interested to see plans for supporting vital but otherwise hard to fund work past the useful life of CDFT. I was always open to figuring out a middle path, personally.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:05:34
content:
  See the thing is redefining an entire community of diverse people like that isnt really a positive thing and only serves to further alienate and other people


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:10:14
content:
  I know, this kinda stuff is a long tedious but important path.
  Language like this is not just detrimental for those you talk about but it's detrimental for yourself as it makes people who would otherwise be supportive of you no longer supportive of you. 

  It also just generally looks bad when you got a train of people going "furry bad" because while maybe you have internally defined it to not actually mean furries, externally it just looks like rabid hatred towards a different community.


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:13:31
content:
  u'll be surprised if u were one of cryptobro getting hostile and attacks if u just say a magic word "ncr" to discord community


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:13:35
content:
  Exactly which is why im trying to kinda calm things down a bit because only if we can talk civily and can we really have productive discussions, which dont need to lead to agreement but a civil exchange of ideas itself is good


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:15:57
edit_date: 2022-04-03 08:16:53
content:
  I mean I've gotten this kinda response in here from some people so I'm not surprised, but yeah I know what you mean.

  On the discord i can only really hope for people to go the route of moderation since we have moderators there, if people are dogpiling or attacking you, please do speak to a moderator in the discord.
  There's been attempts to calm things in the discord by staff members and the only way to make those attempts more effective is if people speak up


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:19:07
content:
  See the thing is one of the main things of moderation is that when performing moderation actions you should be impartial, irregardless of the moderator's opinion on NCR they should be more than fit to de-escalate such situations.

  And the only way really for thinngs to get better is if you do speak up


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:36:57
content:
  I mean I essentially said the same thing in here, I heavily disagree with forcing employees to public facingly use their legal names. For multiple reasons main one being just general right to privacy


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:39:28
content:
  Well thats because no one disagreed with this being a bad thing, exit initially disagreed because they misunderstood what it was saying but after being explained that its not about internal record keeping but public facing communication they agreed. Cant really have much of a talk if everyone agrees, which is why in here was a lot more of a lengthy discussion on it


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:41:34
content:
  Or if you were specifically looking for instances of me trying to moderate interactions in the discord then you wont find those, we have moderators in there who volunteer to do so, its not my place to moderate the discord.

  The only reason im trying to kinda pseudo do that here is because, well, theres no moderators, I cant expect someone else to try and keep the peace here


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:43:06
content:
  Without moderation its moe heavily on us all as people to try and keep conversations constructive as theres no checks against such a thing happening


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:46:10
edit_date: 2022-04-03 08:46:36
content:
  Yes I am not a moderator in the discord, my main place in NEOS in general is as a mentor, I teach people how to use the platform and also teach people who teach people how to use the platform.

  I have faith in our moderation team to enforce moderative actions with disregard for their own possible biases. And if you think a moderator is in fact targetting you unfairly its even more important to report such as if this is the case such a thing is incredibly damaging to keep unchecked


type: message
date: 2022-04-03 08:47:25
content:
  But i guess as a note i just mean in like an official volunteer capability, i do a lot more than just teach people in NEOS  XD


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:31:52
content:
  Only thing separating NCR from any other crypto is the native support of it inside NeosVR, 3rd party plugin is a joke really


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:34:27
content:
  As soon as Geenz moves away from that idea and starts to really negotiate, this situation will resolve rather quickly. But the starting point should be that ncr will keep its status


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:42:08
content:
  Hopefully he's using the time to explore other options as well and not just waiting for something to happen and not budging


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:46:47
edit_date: 2022-04-04 19:47:17
content:
  Community will follow Frooxius, at least most of the active community in US and Europe that is in Neos currently


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:47:27
content:
  The current community is miniscule and the product is still in beta, no offense. It's not a big deal if every current user would leave considering big picture and long term. Not having frooxius coding will hurt more


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:49:00
content:
  Only one I can think of is to let NCR look like it has native support and hugely favored by Neos team


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:49:12
edit_date: 2022-04-04 19:49:37
content:
  I think there are many creators who would just rejoin the furry-less Neos and start creating again, if they consider crypto the lesser evil


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:50:13
content:
  With marketing and fully embracing crypto it'll be a non issue, of course would take some time but Metaverse is a trend now


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:51:53
content:
  I don't see how that'd evade taxes, as crypto on the ledger is crypto as well as it is on the blockchain


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:52:01
content:
  I don't see a completely third-party arrangement working, because Karel needs to be able to push through developments/updates into the Neos platform required for NCR to actually succeed. Otherwise, he is entirely beholden to Froox and the dev team. 

  I'd rather see some kind of compromise that results in a clearly delineated separation and division of responsibilities, e.g., creation of two separate subsidiaries under the Solirax umbrella, with Froox and team continuing with development of the platform itself, and Karel and his team developing the Neos economy/marketplace/NCR. And allocation to Froox/dev team of  locked/vesting NCR, so that their incentives aren't entirely disassociated.


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 19:52:15
content:
  What I'm saying is that if the old people left, new ones would come as they see the potential and opportynity


type: message
date: 2022-04-04 22:03:50
content:
  This is why accessibility is really important. It's hard to effectively crowdsource a world without users building it, and if the barrier to entry is too high it's going to hinder that. Second Life for all of its flaws allowed users to easily jump in and start building without an enormous learning curve. In the early days when it was trying to gain traction this was really crucial. The marketplace organically started growing along with it and I think we would see a similar situation with Neos/NCR if it were a lot more accessible to users. This is why I have concerns about 3rd party NCR. I don't see the current team acting in the best interest of the market, and Karel will be completely beholden to them as the platform builders - as prozac mentioned.


type: message
date: 2022-04-05 16:44:44
edit_date: 2022-04-05 22:42:26
content:
  I think Second Life, amazing as it is, differs in terms of their target market. Neos is always going to require a little bit steeper learning curve because of it's robust functionality. It's not aimed purely at casual users, as you are well aware of, but more of at people who love to have as much customisation control as possible over their creations. That said - is Neos in it's current form and with current UI. With a bit of good UX/UI work we can definitelly help to ease that transition. 

  Couple that with NCR and Neos Marketplace and you have absolutely outstanding opportunities. And we are not talking about some artificial scarcity of selling virtual land or similar gimmicks. (Not to insult anyone here, if you feel like splashing some cash on virtual estate, by all means do😁) 
  The true strenght of Neos is in its versatility and it will soon show. I am truly  amazed with its possibilities. Every day. Every time when I learn something new, I am stunned-so much can be done. For *free* - okay? Let's all take a moment to ingest that. 😁 
  It was built by passion and it shows. 
  At very least we deserve to be known. To be out there and break out through the sea of wannabe "metaverses". As that word is so utterly overused


type: message
date: 2022-04-05 16:45:08
content:
  demonstrated here https://twitter.com/ParisHilton/status/1510796033592156171?s=20&t=girFjkuZq5vOisucZQ_1BA


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 00:38:11
content:
  Now website looks great. But the ICO section really needs more of a disclosure as to the ongoing issues with the team. Definitely material information when soliciting investors.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 01:48:07
content:
  when's the situation resolved?
  I hope reducing patreons pushes Karel&Froox to make announcement quicker


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:06:54
content:
  try to know the context that alot of the people in here both lost money and also arent skilled english speakers


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:08:04
content:
  with respect, as I pretend to be all sorts of shit and grew up txt based roleplaying through my teens


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:09:35
content:
  I guess its comforting to see Karel is not deemphasizing the token, but it would be nice to see more game there.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:20:14
content:
  I guess I would argue that ppl would most likely download Neos through steam or hear about it on youtube, but people interested in the crypto side of things would come in through the website


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:29:05
content:
  might buy some. at the very least the new website seems to communicate that Karel isn't on board with ditching NCR


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:30:22
content:
  Argue for making it third party, argue for removing it from the game, argue for deemphasizing it on the website


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:33:54
edit_date: 2022-04-06 02:43:07
content:
  That's why I've taken Karel's side in this. Watching the furries in Discord celebrate the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars from people who believed, trusted, and invested in Neos is sociopathic behavior and I can't stand by that.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:35:04
content:
  yeah.. and for people crying "bigotry" please... like no one is forcing anyone to pretend theyre a cartoon fox. Its not bigotry in that sense


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:35:44
content:
  and most people here are used to seeing these happy cartoon dogs associated with some of the most passive aggressive or straight up combatitivr behavior


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:36:36
edit_date: 2022-04-06 02:36:54
content:
  thats why Im always weary around furs as they all pretend to be adorable little creatures but in reality some of the most argument-thirsty fuckers Ive ever been around


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:37:52
content:
  but seems majority of furs leaned hard into joining the twitter argument crew and just look for drama all day


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:45:42
content:
  Honestly Crypto is fascinating as a technology and it's interesting what it can be used for (im a fucking tech hoe) in the future so im not fully against it. I think people have issue with the manic adopters 

  But tbh i only obsess over old tech so i dont know much


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:58:06
content:
  yeah, it could have been not about crypto entirely.
  But its not now.
  there are many reasons, for example

  Geenz keep hating crypto
  Froox suggesting 3rd party to make ncr 0 value
  furries agreeing on these stuffs


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 02:59:37
content:
  the original plans for ncr is abandoned by dev team.

  I, as a holder dont care who owns the neos stuff. I just need the original plan to go on.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:01:03
content:
  For this, Karel really should use money... 
  using money means hiring dev, new hires. but who is against this now?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:01:40
content:
  Yes, Karel has miscommunicated and not paid the devs right. 
  this can be fixed, but who is opposing it to be fixed?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:11:04
content:
  ok. its true that its not ruined now. he is afraid that neos will lose its competitiveness as time flies


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:15:55
content:
  has CEO done wrong for "neos" or "dev"??
  they say its dignity and miscommunication. which means its their personal reason.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:20:08
content:
  and Froox just standing behind the scene, and standing on moral high ground, making his dev say shits to Karel also sucks


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:22:01
content:
  Froox says
  "say nothing Karel, I disagree with you"

  and Froox saying nothing seems just right. but actually, devs are talking a lot out there, which makes unfair ground


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:23:27
edit_date: 2022-04-06 03:23:47
content:
  actually, I only hate Geenz for his words. probable prime is at least not emotional. and others barely talk


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:25:00
content:
  so when they want "not contracted" as a weapon, they use it.
  when they dont need it as weapon, they act like official employee


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:26:02
content:
  ProbablePrime has managed to maintain a professional demeanor throughout all of this and I think that's respectable.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:31:12
edit_date: 2022-04-06 03:31:58
content:
  These types of disagreements happen regularly in the world of business and startups, but they are generally kept behind closed doors to protect the viability of the company and product. By airing the dirty laundry openly, it caused people to not only lose faith in NCR but Neos itself - including both the dev and management side. It's a really sad and unfortunate lose-lose situation and it's going to require a lot of positive news to recover. It's not impossible, but it will be a long road of rebuilding trust.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 03:40:26
edit_date: 2022-04-06 03:40:45
content:
  If there can be a scenario where Karel can be in full control of Neos, forked or not, I think confidence will rebound very fast. What is lost will be a small and toxic community which is a good thing.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 04:41:40
edit_date: 2022-04-06 06:42:00
content:
  These arguments are a waste of time. It's all been rehashed at least 20x by now. The discord and crypto community are simply going to have to agree to disagree on most of the issues. 

  As for how things were in the discord while all this shit was going down, I'll just say this. There's a reason why the entire crypto community left discord and had to start a separate telegram. It was toxic as fuck in there.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 04:46:43
edit_date: 2022-04-06 04:47:08
content:
  If they are truly anti crypto and anti expansion, they can copy and paste their code and build their own parallel metaverse, even with NCR supporting their development. But they are not choosing to do so as a reasonable person who happens to disagree with you would. I can’t help but suspect that there’s something sociopathic behind their motivation and the goal is to destroy the very people they viscerally hate.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 05:14:06
content:
  and of course saying shit to ur ceo is fine in normal circunstances, cus it doesnt do any harm. I say shit to apple ceo, doesnt hurt a bit.

  Geenz is acting as a leader of anti-Karel. he is doing damage to Solirax. He's not helping community to calm down. This isnt normal circumstance, and its a startup.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 05:17:10
content:
  so seletive again, If I attack Froox then he will say different obviously. only reacts like this when seeing Pro-Karel opinions.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 06:46:03
content:
  Karel actually gives a damn about the holders atleast, Froox somehow thought it was okay to propose sending us up shit creek without a paddle.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 06:46:30
content:
  and try to remember, no matter ehat Karel does, the creeps on discord will try to spin it bad. Always


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 08:03:40
content:
  Hello everyone. I would like to kindly remind people that this is a channel for polite discussion and while it is okay and generally encouraged to have opinions and different views, hateful comments towards any Neos' community or its members won't be tolerated. Specifically I ask Luis Alfonso  to better consider their words please or you will be removed from the discussion. We are building a healthy community where everyone is welcome, so please respect that. Many thanks and have a great day everyone☺️


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 08:08:08
content:
  Your comments towards the furry community being "s**t" are a bit rich, don't you think? I don't think I need to screenshot it. I am sure we can just move on☺️ Thank you


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 08:12:12
content:
  Thank you. Yes my message goes to everyone. Let's be civil. I don't want to go into putting people on spot. We are grownups I hope😊


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 08:15:56
content:
  Not fast enough, otherwise I’d have sold my NCR before the team did. I’m glad that things are happening. Please keep us updated as much as possible. Thanks!


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 09:19:10
content:
  Nice to see that some of you already got a sneak peak of the new website during our small test with the old domain. We'll be launching it shortly on the main one.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 09:37:58
content:
  Hi karel. 
  I'm having trouble because I can't withdraw ncr from bitrue. bitrue says it cannot tell when the withdrawal will be made. Is this only a matter of bitrue? Could you possibly help?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 10:37:50
content:
  I dont know if your countries definition of laundering is different but over here laundering can only be with money gained from illegal activity


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 10:56:41
content:
  it makes point that Karel should use money to develop neos.
  Hope we can see him using money on new hire or partnerships :)


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 11:16:28
content:
  what does this mean? found in the whitepaper, and when I click the video it says the video is offline


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 11:20:26
edit_date: 2022-04-06 12:10:09
content:
  The new neos.com website is now online. Hope you like it and that we'll get a lot of feedback so we can make it even better over time. 😊


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 11:22:20
content:
  The amount of money on our bank accounts grows every month, we are certainly ready to hire from that point of view.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 11:36:05
edit_date: 2022-04-06 11:38:02
content:
  Mobile version needs some work, mainly the way that the media display at the bottom tiles strangely vertically

  The media display could also use some labeling as it is unclear what is an image and what is a video

  Having some in Engine visuals more front and center would also probably be a good idea


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:04:59
content:
  Frooxius got the draft of the website for review together with the new Whitepaper but didn't provide any feedback. Not out of ordinary as he didn't provide feedback on the last one and the one before that either. We're on third gen Neos website at this time. 😊


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:10:56
edit_date: 2022-04-06 12:12:56
content:
  Honestly one thing that would be neat for the page also is to overlay a loading image until website paint is fully finished to prevent user scroll during load maybe something like a spinning neos logo while the page loads. could be Aesthetic


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:12:22
content:
  I think having some rough timelines the company and their teams can aim for is generally good. For example the website launch was supposed to be by the end of Q1. The launch date slipped a bit, but we didn't stress about it much and now we have a nice new website. I doubt it would be anywhere near this far without the timeline.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:16:17
edit_date: 2022-04-06 12:16:46
content:
  I think as the CEO, Karel is entitled to a certain level of executive autonomy when it comes to things like strategic planning, marketing, and finance - in the same way that Frooxius is given autonomy over platform development as the CTO.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:17:44
content:
  The "Meet Neos Engine" part sounds a bit off to me also, i dont know if its just the wording but it rolls a bit oddly off the tongue


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:21:51
content:
  Also you can send it to people both directly in-game or  on the Ethereum blockchain as a payment method. Trustless trades and escrow coming later on with Neos Store.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:24:10
content:
  A trustless trade means that you don't have to worry about not getting the thing you paid for or not getting paid. All trades on stores are usually trustless.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:25:01
content:
  Now when sending NCR to someone there has to be an amount of trust that they will deliver on what is the subject of the trade.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:29:02
content:
  By the way, since Telegramm is now advertised on the main page do you have any plans for moderation since this could cause an influx of users?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:30:25
edit_date: 2022-04-06 12:30:45
content:
  They want to make Neos Credits a third party token, that is not in the best interest of NCR holders (including the largest holder Neos itself) or anyone else and thus not acceptable.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:33:52
content:
  Also if anyone else is interested in Performance metrics I did a small snapshot before the update and when it went live
  https://gtmetrix.com/compare/C4v2Lq2R/H9A0Q5g7


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:36:52
content:
  Assuming legal correspondence information flow can be a bit slow in general especially if these are formal and not informal


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:41:43
content:
  That depends, if an agreement is reached then things can be settled sooner, if things have to go to court .. well i dont know which jurisdiction but generally speaking court proceedings can take a while, so i hope its settled before court has to be an option


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:42:53
content:
  And my invite to anyone to join me inside neos still stands, im more than happy to teach anyone about the current platform


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:44:07
content:
  Well i can only assume what karel or team wants, so it wouldnt really be fair for me to answer that for either party


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:45:28
content:
  As far as i know Open source is long term, in its current state open sourcing is not possible due to multiple questionable and licensed integral dependencies


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:45:37
content:
  what team wants is clarified tho.
  Froox: make ncr third party and lets not work together

  Karel: not acceptable, lets try work as a whole, but seperately as u wish.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 12:46:15
content:
  Well but this just covers public knowledge, they already know that, i assume they want an up do date take of current proceedings which we dont have


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:03:15
content:
  Small info because the media page is unlabeled, the third page on the media section is actually videos, thats all from me.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:06:20
content:
  Cause the first imperssion of in game right now is without trying to be too negative a very low framerate recording, which is just the beginning but we all know people dont watch the whole way and will assume bad performance


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:07:16
content:
  I should really re-shoot that part and send them the source file. That was originally made as a casual thing for my Twitter. ❤️


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:07:57
content:
  considering ppl who dont know about Froox, neos engine is just fine. 
  To satisfy some furries, maybe it should be changed into
  "powered by Neos engine, a.k.a Froox-engine. Frooxius is a genius CTO ........"


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:09:02
edit_date: 2022-04-06 13:09:16
content:
  Personally i just think "Neos Engine" as a word combination sounds weird to refer to like THE Neos Engine works fine but the moment you go "Meeting neos engine" it kinda sounds off


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:11:42
content:
  I think Neos has incredible potential to be a proper parametric modeler when the mesh tools are implemented. I'm a big supporter of keeping the content creation pipeline in the world because it increases the immersion factor.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:12:57
content:
  A lot of VRChat world creators use a Unity plugin called Probuilder and it makes world building really accessible for people who aren't experienced with programs like blender.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:14:21
edit_date: 2022-04-06 13:14:56
content:
  The exporter needs to be refined a bit more as well  ive recently noticed some flaws of UV exports where uvs will just straight up null, but i need to make a proper replication case of such


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:19:32
content:
  Probuilder is very much akin to Second Life for sure, but I think Neos could take it to the next level with Zbrush style sculpting tools. When content creation is fun and easy for users it definitely helps to crowdsource the world and keeps people engaged.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:24:20
content:
  also here a link to geenz talkng abou a paralel renderer i you havent seen it
  https://twitter.com/GeenzNeosVR/status/1510893977502814209


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:24:49
content:
  The last time I spoke with Geenz in-world they mentioned the need to replace the rendering engine which from what I understand is one of the last Unity components still in the code. Being able to use something with a little less overhead can open a lot of doors for true platform agnostic builds including ARM-based HMDs like the Quest 2. With MIT or GPLv3 licensing it would also put Neos on track for open source long-term, if the IK proprietary binaries are also addressed.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:28:37
content:
  @Kulza @sharkmare0001 @Lucaedr @Gunnar_0 hey, where is Ja Kobu guy?? cant find his name in discord, he also deleted many comments in tweeter. what happened to my friend?? any clue would be nice :(


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 13:29:36
content:
  It’s pointless to buy back to pump the price now. Better keep the funds for other staff at this moment


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 14:59:40
edit_date: 2022-04-06 18:57:46
content:
  Thanks for the feedback so far everyone ☺️ It's much appreciated, especially the more constructive comments. It's never about patting on the back but rather I see it as an opportunity to improve even more - although the praise is always nice haha, for sure☺️ As for the community in-game footage and such. We would certainly like to shoot some more videos in time. We are really grateful to Tizzy, as she was happy to let us use her video - and it's a really good one, thanks a lot again @tizzers . It's that kind of promotion that we would like to see and do more of. So perhaps we can work more closely with some of you from the Neos creative community on adding more material in time, that would be lovely.☺️ We have also plans for trailers and such. 
  With the website we simply aimed to launch at the stage where we have a fully functional product that gets across all the core points, so we can now iterate on that more, based on data, feedback etc. It's very much in a spirit of Growth Driven Design. ☺️


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:03:27
content:
  I don't know much about the content though, it changed. But any of the new functionality is not present. Account management hasn't changed at all, which was actually the more important part for a new website


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:14:18
edit_date: 2022-04-06 15:14:44
content:
  Having the new trailer on there with in-game footage would be awesome. The version Chroma sent me was great and almost ready to lanuch.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:20:02
content:
  I've been playing Neos long before anyone in this chat knew Neos exists and wasn't even called Neos at the time. I'm definitely open to speaking to everyone on the dev team who are currently on strike.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:29:17
edit_date: 2022-04-06 16:22:40
content:
  Very sci-fi offers to make NCR a 3rd party thing and screw ncr holders. No real offeers. I made real offers to finanace their new US company which Froox refused.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:32:31
content:
  Karel, they think ur position is super low. they dont even need to consider any point u make, unless u show them real world power.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:32:58
content:
  Karel already say all team members will be replace why would team want to work under boss that will fire them


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:33:01
content:
  I'd assume that's most likely karels main concern since hes said that thrd party ncr is essentially joke


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:37:32
content:
  It's more than just about "bad words" you are calling an entire diverse community of people useless.

  Honestly idk how you don't understand the issue with that


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:38:17
content:
  Why dont you instead join in on some constructive criticism, whats your view of current ongoings and what do you think is the best step forwards?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:39:34
content:
  In the gaming community this usually turns out badly but i assume you have some example of your own?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:40:48
content:
  huh? im talking about like all of gaming, usually when a studio is replace d the follow up title is lackluster, that eas my point


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:41:28
content:
  we are seeing lots of comments from Karel, so we know at least few what he is against.
  such as 3rd party ncr

  what about Froox? why he oppose US entity fund and hiring devs?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:44:01
content:
  Furries: Karel is a piece of shit that should be kicked out of his own company and NCR should go to 0. 

  Also Furries: how come Karel doesn't listen to our feedback??? How can he just create a new website that doesn't emphasize our toxic discord!?!?!


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:45:11
content:
  I mean as a completely objective basis, Telegramm isnt really the best place to get info about the platform unless you count my invitations to show people the platform


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:45:50
content:
  The discord got a bunch of channels full of record info about the platform and what you can do in it and a whole help section


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:46:22
content:
  If someone is insulting you please do report it, theres no overall moderaton in here currently besides Karel and Andrea


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:46:46
content:
  There are some Furries who are like ... let's just say, annoying. However every group has their share of annoying members


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:55:07
edit_date: 2022-04-06 19:02:25
content:
  imo the worst thing Froox did that I know is publicly post that he wanted to cut support for NCR after 4 years of fundraising through it. Definitely think this has weight in court and has legal cpnsequences but thats between him and Karel


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:56:20
edit_date: 2022-04-06 15:56:50
content:
  I dont think its illegal to obsolete first party support for such but thats also either for Czech or uk law which im not well versed in czech law


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:58:22
content:
  Like cant you all see the same names in here trying to sweep this under the rug? Yet at the same time yipping about minor contrivances on the website or Karel's behavior? Yes Im calling you out


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 15:59:51
content:
  Yeah don't dare think critically about the fact Froox wants his fundraisers to fuckoff, and wont consider a outcome that favors them.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:00:02
edit_date: 2022-04-06 21:15:59
content:
  The simple fact of the matter is that Karel and Froox are now in a legal battle for control over Neos. Both are taking actions in their own self-interest without consulting each other anymore at this point. A new whitepaper and website (which had already been announced/planned for months now) is in the interest of NCR/Karel, and as co-owner of the company with disputed ownership, he's completely entitled to do what he wants given the current dynamic between him and the rest of the dev team. 

  And to be clear, I fully expect Froox/dev team to be taking actions in their own self-interest as well (and they certainly already have with the work strike, selling off and public messaging against NCR, trying to kick Karel out from the company, etc.). Difference is we aren't going over into the discord acting holier than thou because of it. 

  They're in a fucking dispute - what do you expect?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:02:22
content:
  yeah and we got the same people in here going "ummm but is froox okay with the new website???" in a very transparent attempt at trying to spin this website as a new controversy to add to their bin of other very minor contrivances to try to gaslight people with


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:03:36
content:
  it's completely asinine. they're basically in an existential battle, and they expect Karel to go ask Froox if he has any comments on the new website design???


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:04:25
content:
  I wish I had as much free time to lurk around socials all day to spin a bunch of bullshit lies like some of them do


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:06:25
content:
  Like most ive been doing today is infrastructure work, dev work and downing some whiskey and caffeine


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:08:56
edit_date: 2022-04-06 16:09:08
content:
  I mean i assume they are just comming back from work or wherver, we all gotta make money somehow afterall


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:11:32
content:
  Well you like to portray some people as having no life and spending most their time bickering on socials, and i dont really think thats fair simply due to how our society is structured


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:13:11
content:
  maybe some people live at home or with parents. Either way some do seem to have a ton of free time for this.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:13:57
content:
  instead of coming at me about this, why dont you spend some time telling people why you think Froox cutting support for NCR is a good idea huh?


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:16:09
content:
  I mean i've explained why i think third party can work vs hard fork so that kinda would just be rehashing stuff, but if you want we coudl go over it again. eitherway if you want we can also meetup in neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:17:19
content:
  NCR has been being sold for 4 years now. This man proposes cutting off thousands of holders on a whim rather than work things out


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:40:34
content:
  I mean, they can be

  but one that would be pretty expensive and two they'd have to get access to and familiarize themselves wth the codebase


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:41:33
content:
  I'm currently working on my own Neos code and things are a bit different than expected but im also more experienced with JS over C#


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:42:03
content:
  Correct, loosing frooxius would hurt the project a ton but you can hire coders with money and this isn't a sprint


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:42:58
content:
  See the thing is even if things arent a sprint why would you not try to get out as much inherited velocity as you can


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:44:11
content:
  Yeah for sure, would love to see this issue resolved and things to continue on but now with clear roles and a professional setting


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 16:52:46
content:
  I'm not looking for respond. Froox has enough say to define working environment for him and his friends, but it seems he isn't settling to anything less than a complete takeover of the company. As soon as he gets over that, I guess they can really start talking


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 17:08:39
content:
  I speculate its more than that. If not having to interact with Karel was the only issue I'd think they could work out terms, however it seems to be personal.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 17:10:12
edit_date: 2022-04-06 17:11:02
content:
  Also I think in recent months when crypto became the hot topic and a dirty word, Froox came under pressure from his friends and the furries on the platform to end crypto involvement


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 17:14:56
content:
  I somewhat feel like Froox is a man who doesn't like to encounter social friction much at all, and the recent anti-crypto wave, atleast in my headcannon, has played a big role in these decisions and the behavior of his friends as well


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 17:36:54
content:
  I'm fully aware, it seems frooxius isn't the one realizing what his position is, until just recently and he's coming at it with no experience and swinging


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 17:38:24
content:
  A furry not responding usually means "No." However if you are not responding to a furry, it usually means "Yes, do it anyway."


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 20:55:15
content:
  I remember having looked like everywhere and the only hint of a Terms of Service was this entry in the wiki that was just the text "Terms of Service" without a link


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 20:57:35
content:
  So, one last thing that'd be required to enforce the ToU would be to prominently display it in Neos before first use


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 20:58:42
edit_date: 2022-04-06 20:58:53
content:
  Yes, however as you can use Neos and access the cloud services to download assets even without registering, the ToU needs to be accepted in before usually


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:11:12
content:
  Hey Karel apparently people aren't able to sign up properly as when people get the verification email and click the link to verify, it says 'page not found'. Hopefully this can get fixed asap :)


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:14:38
content:
  Just to clarify, this is a visual error.
  The email verification still functions properly, the page just displays 404


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:21:17
content:
  Way to alienate the current community of Neos, by pushing the crypto association into the front that much.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:22:20
edit_date: 2022-04-06 21:43:47
content:
  This. Those “neutral” people playing dumb pretending that the team was in a corporative position to supply footage is frankly annoying and childish. I also wanna remind these saints that nothing Karel did so far, like what outlined in the white paper and website update, is outside the scope of what was previously there, maybe with the exception of staking in whitepaper, which is within Karel’s rights and inconsequential in current status.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:25:40
content:
  If a single mention of crypto can alienate people then maybe consider that it might be their problem. Geez.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:27:20
edit_date: 2022-04-06 21:30:13
content:
  Karel started acting more like a CEO and they pushed back because they've never respected his position as a leader, when realistically Karel has every right to make these key strategic company decisions on his own volition.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:29:18
content:
  Crypto could be fine, if it was a secondary. But with the new website it seems to be pushed as it is primarily about this crypto currency and no longer about Neos itself


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:31:54
edit_date: 2022-04-06 21:32:21
content:
  That’s simply not true. You can calculate how many real estate is dedicated for crypto and how many for the game itself. I agree that actual footage would be nice but it’s annoying to pretend that the team is going to supply said footage and players would feel comfortable displaying their footage on the website and attract alienation from the furries.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:37:44
edit_date: 2022-04-07 06:58:47
content:
  That’s great. I’m sure with enough footage he can come up with a new video to replace the unborn one the team is withholding.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:41:28
content:
  I think it's important to remember that there is more to the website re-design than the front-end. The webflow back-end allows them to roll out changes faster with a proper web-based wysiwyg content management system. I imagine it will also help to improve content optimization and SEO.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:41:51
edit_date: 2022-04-06 21:49:23
content:
  Just absolutely no point in pretending that they have a working relationship right now. If the team is betraying the whitepaper they endorsed and not even updating the code that is in their control, they are not gonna approve the website or supply footage.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 21:59:12
edit_date: 2022-04-06 21:59:20
content:
  Just cause yall may not know, the NEOS workshop starts in like a few minutes basically it explains about how to use aspects of neos, this week its about UIX
  https://www.twitch.tv/neosvr


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 22:17:02
content:
  To be honest I still feel like crypto is like, not for neos. That's just my opinion.

  Neos is for the players and people like, even if it's in early beta it's already shown so much promise and you have people who are so passionate and interested in learning how the game works, and neos basically taught me how to program, even though I'm an artist and not a programmer. It's basically a social vr platform without limits and that's why I like neos.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 22:18:01
content:
  Sure, it's glitchy. Sure, it's a little complicated but when you take the time to learn it it's awesome.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 22:39:15
edit_date: 2022-04-07 01:05:48
content:
  What’s happening right now to twitter will be interesting to watch. As Jack Dorsey admitted himself, big techs with over centralized power is demaging the internet and Elon Musk is pushing for decentralization of twitter, at least for its tech and algorithms. Personally I’m excited to see what’s to come for twitter because I have never been comfortable that unelected tech executives in hoodies having this much control over our lives. Decentralization is the future, and it’s a must, IMO, for a metaverse engine like Neos itself. Blockchain technology is the most robustly tested route to achieve decentralization at the moment. It also has the added bonus to raise capital for Neos, who’s been understandably very reluctant to accept VC investment in exchange for ownership. I’d argue that this ongoing dispute between two sides is the best argument for decentralization. It’d be one thing if Neos was a random internet service that gets paralized by internal dispute, totally another when it becomes a widely adopted metaverse engine and becomes disfunctional or unsupported because of a random tantrum the leadership throws. The fact that the team can be anti crypto before being pro crypto with a flick of a switch and do this much demage to investors and creators who dedicated time and effort into this community should be chilling to anyone.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 22:43:32
edit_date: 2022-04-06 22:50:02
content:
  BTW I’m not an Elon bro. The way he sucks up to the Chinese Communist Party is sickening. At the same time I’m pumped to see what he can bring to twitter and social media at large because I 100% agree that these big techs have demonstrated that they are unworthy of the power they have over us and I’m genuinely concerned about how they are damaging public discourse and principles of free speech.


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 23:39:12
content:
  things as they are, elon musk wants money, he did not buy 9% of the total shares for fun, twitter is not decentralized with elon musk


type: message
date: 2022-04-06 23:51:57
content:
  I’m just saying that decentralizing the power big tech has is what Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey are talking about, in those exact terms. But that’s not to say that they are toying with the idea of putting twitter on blockchain or anything like that. Decentralization is the goal, and blockchain is one but not necessarily the only route to achieve that goal.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 06:01:56
content:
  I feel crypto is necessary for Neos to achieve any position, where it could be a viable option to the offering from huge company like Meta. If you want Neos just to be a simple game that only group of gamers know, then crypto isn't needed and centralized credit system could be used


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 06:03:27
content:
  Many of us want Neos to reach a lot wider userbase and I thought both Karel and Frooxius wanted that too and we're aware of the crucial elements needed to make that happen


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 06:04:22
content:
  Not sure Frooxius can make independent decisions like a leader should, the furry community he is close to is relentless in their cryptohate


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 06:34:10
edit_date: 2022-04-07 07:00:24
content:
  People are always the killer app of the Metaverse, but beyond the users there is an incredibly delicate balance of factors that contribute to fostering a virtual world. You need social tools that allow people to form groups and locate like-minded people/cultures, you need to allow people to shape their identity and fulfill more of the self-actualization higher levels of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and you need the toolset that allows the users to build the world.

  A key part of making a virtual world revenue model work is creating enough demand for virtual goods that tokens like NCR along with the marketplace enables Neos to sustain itself financially. That utility is what gives NCR value beyond being an investment vehicle. Being able to make real world money from contributing digital assets is a huge incentive for content creators and it worked amazingly well in platforms like Second Life.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 07:20:50
content:
  I wonder, has anyone asked yet in here what the "Priority Support" that's advertised on the website for patreons is? Because currently at least neos doesnt have a support team so its a strange statement.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 07:22:27
content:
  If you mean the telegram chat, yeah depends on the time if you mean NEOS as a platform, yeah theres usually people on at all times


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 08:03:30
content:
  It somehow looks like Neos is the utility necessary for NCR currently. This is so backwards right now. The most important part of any project with a user base is always the people. So it should be community first. Neos is the product, NCR is its utility. Not the other way around. Advertising NCR is the wrong thing to do and it would just inflate the price and it would just pop like a bubble again. Bring Neos forward, make it attractive to multiple communities, then by making NCR a utility of that space, the value will naturally increase and be backed by its volume.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 08:29:04
edit_date: 2022-04-07 08:29:57
content:
  Using NCR in Neos is not mandatory as was said a lot of times already. We don’t require people to buy land to be able to create worlds or anything. Neos is free for anyone to use. The only thing we need is one part of the community not attacking the other. NCR played a very important role in keeping the project afloat and will continue to do so. It is not an either or situation as many would like it to seem. All kinds of communities can coexist in Neos. Theres no reason why we cant have both crypto and non crypto people in Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:09:59
edit_date: 2022-04-07 09:20:23
content:
  The first 6 paragraphs don’t even mention NCR. The hate campaign against me is going to contienue no matter what and I’ll be criticized for anything I do and anything I won’t do as well until I give full control of the company I created to someone who wants complete control.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:12:19
content:
  I won’t do that and I will continue to fight for Neos to be a welcoming place to all communities including the crypto one that made it possible for Neos to exist in the first place.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:13:20
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:12:43
content:
  I really don’t get how crypto people and NCR doing good is bad for others. If anything it makes Neos stronger and better for everyone.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:22:46
edit_date: 2022-04-07 09:26:11
content:
  There can only be an amiable resolution if both sides are willing to reconcile and be reasonable. Karel has presented multiple options and all have been rejected by Frooxius. The only option the developers have presented is having Karel step down from his own company and detaching NCR as a 1st party component which is neither reasonable nor reality-based. NCR is equally as woven into the fabric of Neos as Frooxengine and is a necessary component for platform growth and revenue. Removing it is not an option. The sooner people accept that Karel and NCR are immutable and foundational parts of Neos, the sooner we can move forward.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:28:45
edit_date: 2022-04-07 09:29:04
content:
  The new trailer would be front and center part of the website if the people producing it would not be on strike and actually deliver it after years of paid production. I do what I can in the situation I am.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:33:13
content:
  "3rd party NCR" is a euphemism for making NCR irrelevant to Neos while also attempting to placate and quell the crypto community. Not an acceptable end result.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:38:20
content:
  Again not how companies work. A group of our users not tolerating others is unfortunate but doesn’t have legal consequence.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:41:24
edit_date: 2022-04-07 09:41:56
content:
  Yes all of our communities not just one part. I would actually argue that Neos has to exist and be financially viable in order for Neos communites to exist around it. I’m very grateful for all help we got and are getting no matter what subculture it comes from.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:44:13
content:
  I am not, again I’m very grateful for all help we got and are getting from all users and supporters.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:44:56
content:
  Neos growing can be good for everyone, no reason why there can’t be all sorts of communities coexistung.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:45:10
edit_date: 2022-04-07 09:45:52
content:
  Part of what makes the Metaverse special is the diversity of cultures that co-exist in-world. When a userbase is too homogenous it hinders growth outside of that niche. As Karel said, Neos is for everybody and we should be encouraging all types of users to participate.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:49:39
content:
  And why aren't the owners of cryptocurrency the ones who supported the project with their investment, or do you just love yourselves and want bad for the cryptocurrency owners, man? I hope you stay away from these behaviors that offend you.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:49:48
content:
  I very much consider all ncr holders part of our community as well as all creators and other users. There is no reason why one part of our community should dominate the other. Decisions should be driven by what is good for all of them. What is the downside of NCR being a first party to any part of our community?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:51:33
content:
  We are a company that has to be funded somehow, Neos is free for anyone to download and use what more can we do.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:54:40
edit_date: 2022-04-07 09:54:56
content:
  There is no functionality lost to Neos with NCR, it is just an additional feature nobody is forced to use.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:55:45
content:
  If you were an entrepreneur and believed in it, and was attacked by volunteers for your own project, would you give up..?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:58:11
content:
  It’s a result of blackmail I didn’t cave to and a large hate campaign fueled by people who want to take control of my company. Not happaning Jack.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:58:17
content:
  Well then I'm going to change volunteers and start staff developers for the project. Isn't that better


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 09:59:16
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:09:08
content:
  Okay my little take here. 
  I appreciate that this new website and approach, could never satify 100% of the audience. It is a visual shift but even more so on the information hierarchy side of things. There is a reason why Discord is not - for the moment - in the front and centre. Simply because it was turned into a raging platform where it was quite hard for people to have a normal debate such as the one we try to encourage in here - that’s why I keep drumming down that we try be considerate in opinion exchange, and polite,  but this is up to everyone to do their part. 
  We would love for the situation to change and there is no reason why we could not bring that back once it improves:). 

  About the focus on the NCR first. I really don’t think this is the case. We have allowed a plenty of space for website visitors to learn about Neos and its features. 
  I do understand the point that there is not that much of a real-time footage and imagery but this is something we can now work on. 
  The important thing is - and a lot of people won’t like me for saying it, that the website converts. 
  New visitors need to be able to learn really quickly about what is Neos and who is it for. 
  That is why the three section - Neos for creators, Neos for communities and Neos for educators are quite high up in the scroll. Not after Neos Credits. 
  But again, Neos Credits play an important role because in a bigger picture, this is something that will help us grow and be profitable. Every business needs to be profitable. But it absolutely *does not* have to be at the expense of the community, as some people would have you believe. 
  As Karel, Tizzy and a lot of you have mentioned - it is really possible to coexist in harmony. 
  Everyone can use Neos for what they need or feel they love doing. Nobody will make anyone to buy NCR, buy land, buy whavever. And similarly, nobody should try to turn Neos into a niche community for the chosen ones only, because it is not either. Neos is overreaching and in time I hope we can let go of this constant fight crypto-vs non-crypto and actually build and enjoy things😊


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:02:28
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:05:11
content:
  I definitely didn’t start with the antagonizing, just explaining how things are. Discord is heavily influenced by the opinions of a few people who control it. Definitely not open to all kinds of opinions.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:13:12
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:13:30
content:
  I am usually on Neos every day, and also invested a lot into NCR. I even was asked by Nexulan to compose a soundtrack. (until i was 'fired' by him one week out from my deadline) I have put a lot of effort into my creations and met my best friends on the platform.
  All I want is for people to stop fighting after everything I've read and heard.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:13:48
content:
  Neos Discord is pretty great so it’s sad to see it being weaponized against NCR holders and myself. I like the positive aspects very much and hope the hateful part of it can be diminished over time.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:18:39
content:
  If you search Karel's name in the Neos Discord it's pages and pages of scathing hatred. Any mention of him is immediately met with pushback, scorn, and ostracization. While it may be those things you mentioned, the NCR threads have also become an echo chamber of toxic negativity and there is no point in participating in conversations where people are not going to be having reasonable discussions in good faith.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:20:58
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:22:21
content:
  I also hope we can stabilise Discord over time so it can be used to exactly what you have described @JackTheFoxOtter - help users, support, learn, have fun. But I think perhaps we can agree that at this stage, right now, there really is not a lot of love right now - from the current team and that influences a great deal everything else. A lot of people might feel like treading on eggshels whenever NCR is mentioned. New users should not be exposed to so much negativity. There is no need.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:22:10
content:
  I would very much like to do that again if it were not used to hurt the crypto part of our community. I’m aware of the fact that Neos is not friendly to newcomers and unfortunately that might be by design. Thats has to change.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:26:22
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:41:06
content:
  Why exactly the poeple on Discord don’t like NCR, what it did to hurt Neos? What Neos features it took away? Let’s see some love for NCR on there and then it can be front and center no problem. Now it hurts a big and important part of our community.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:27:21
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:27:45
content:
  Yeah it's no secret that the learning curve is steep, an a visual overhaul of Neos is overdue. I think the massive amount of users spawning custom dark-mode inspectors points out a desire for freshness in UI/UX everywhere.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:29:55
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:42:28
content:
  It actually is an NCR issue as the Discord is being hateful to NCR holders. So yes you will get help there but you’ll also get told that Neos Credits are some evil token designed by the devil himself.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:32:21
content:
  A person that might be interested in getting NCR is definitely getting discouraged in there from doing it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:39:51
content:
  You are blindly repeating some talking points you were told by people that spread hate towards Neos Credits and their holders.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:40:21
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:40:42
content:
  Okay let's keep it down the notch:) I think what @JackTheFoxOtter  is trying to say here is not so much about NCR, but more their concern about the community and whether they receive adequate help and guidance. That is the fair point as Neos is a complex software with tricky UI:) Again something that would be great to be able to work on if we could shift focus from NCR love/hate to practical things.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:46:19
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:47:03
content:
  We are very happy to work with people on improving experience of Neos. New UI will absolutely be the thing whenever we are able to push it through 😁 Perhaps those of you who are also concerned with the user experience on Neos could start slowly making sure that platforms like Discord are again a centre of constructive debate. That is something that has to come organically from the community and all of you. Not something we can force out. I would really love to be able to wake up sometime soon and see that people enjoy Neos for what it is and they are excited, not scared about its future.  ☺️


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:51:44
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:52:08
content:
  It is not about the crypto people or the NCR. It is about the perceived one sided catering towards crypto only, as if that is the only important thing right now


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:52:09
edit_date: 2022-04-07 10:52:23
content:
  i dont see any hostility when new users ask about ncr on discord, they just get directed to the ncr channel


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:53:02
content:
  The website is not spreading any hate about non crypto users and use. It lists Discord. It is as friendly as it gets.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:54:40
content:
  I like NCR and I want it to grow in value. However what I'm seeing right now it pushing it again and I'm afraid we are about to experience just another pump and dump again, if it continues like that


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:56:43
content:
  Actually it's counter traction against another NCR pump. If the whole NCR thing could just shut up and go silent for a while until Neos recovered, that'd be nice


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:58:39
content:
  Working on Neos will give us a return on NCR. However for that Neos and the community has to grow first


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 10:59:58
content:
  I hope that hate is not spread here or on Twitter for NCR and Karel and I hope that investors or new users will not be intimidated


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:07:13
content:
  Thank you, one channel is better, and your explanation will be pinned to the new user in the channel, and this will be easier to reach


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:13:54
content:
  I can't stand the anti-crypto atmosphere on Discord, so I'm only participating here. I've asked several times for hate comments about karel and removal of harmful threads like "neos without ncr", and the mod didn't even respond. I think it's better to remove all harmful posts and bulletin boards on Discord even now. I can't quite understand why the CEO, karel, doesn't have the power to delete the discord thread


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:14:03
content:
  Hey Karel  just a note about the website, currently the page to display a succesful email confirmation does not exist


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:15:41
content:
  I think it would be better to remove the discord link from Neos' new home page or Karel to create a new neos discord.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:19:47
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:19:56
content:
  I think we can all agree that dissenting opinions should not be silenced as long as they are conveyed in a civil manner.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:20:18
content:
  I am just disappointed at where PoW went and how PoS also has its flaws and like there seem to be no alternatives to public blockchain proofs, that don't consume endless resources or give power to those who own


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:22:17
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:23:42
content:
  Well, if freedom of opinion is an essential thing in Discord, why was the NCR channel closed and you made it into a branching topic? Isn't this difficult to reach the conversation between people and why are you attacked if you speak up for NCR, man, are you sure you are on Discord to say freedom of opinion is open there?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:24:44
content:
  I mean both the NCR positng and the general discussion positive or negative of current ongoings is relegated to threads so thart people who do not wish to engage with such have that agency


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:25:39
content:
  Theres nothing bad about PoS as the people who own some value on the blockchain are the ones most motivated to keep it fair and working as designed. How else can you secure a blockchain.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:25:39
content:
  Honestly i wish TG had a kinda thread system to have a mroe structured system of conversation but thats just me


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:26:16
content:
  If you're a mod, you should pay attention to whoever posted the composite photos that make karel laugh. Also the mod should have stopped people mocking people who lost a lot of money by investing in ncr. Do you think that only posts that threaten someone should be removed?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:28:49
content:
  I mean it's been said multiple times in the discord that make fun of people who lost money here is in bad taste because we all were in the same boat essentially. we all lost and theres nothing funny about people losing money.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:31:14
content:
  And the disadvantage is that people continue to talk to each other in one conversation, like what we are doing now..?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:31:28
content:
  The NCR channel was converted into a Hub for multiple ncr threads.
  The chat in the ncr channel got way to heated that a lot of other discussions couldnt take place. Thats why there are now multiple threads with different topics, all in connection to ncr.
  And the mods do tell to use the specific threads to talk about specific stuff, if it is going on in the wrong channels.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:31:48
content:
  Yeah basically with everything being compounded as it is in TG its hard to have a coherent convesation espsecially when it gets more active


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:33:57
content:
  It is harmful to open the discussion and have the thread of messages exist like some chats on Discord


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:34:05
content:
  Its to direct conversations a lot better, for example we have a topic specifically for the price of ncr so if thats something you are interested in you open that thread.
  We have a thread of memes so those dont clutter up the other ncr channels etc


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:34:07
content:
  specially when there are more people.

  Just imagine it... here are now over 200 people, 40 online. If it would have the scale of discord with over 1000, then this chat would be nearly not readable.

  Now imagine neos grows and we would be 10.000 or 100.000 in here. This channel would end up like a twitch chat of a famous streamer, unreadable, 10 messages every second.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:34:42
content:
  Yeah its why i suggested karel to get some mods because with the TG now being advertised on the website we may have an influx of users in here


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:35:23
content:
  I wish I knew how to. And those who own value are acting in their own interest, not in the interest of the blockchain


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:36:23
content:
  Okay so cryptocurrencies and their environmental and other impact - that is a huge and complex topic. Possibly for another whole separate channel. 😁And for sure would make an interesting debate. Turning it back to NCR though I’d say Karel always made sure the environmental impact is kept as low as possible. We care about sustainability. And it actually warms me that we are all participating on creating a platform that has the power to minimise the risk of commuting for instance, and therefore lowering CO2. You can read about it on wiki https://wiki.neos.com/Neos_Wiki:Environmental_Impact_and_Sustainability . Perhaps it would be a good idea to make sure the wide community understands and is also well informed about various positive sides of crypto, not just negatives. 😊 I agree it is still controversial for some. But nothing is just black and white.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:37:42
content:
  It's hard to find a positive that is blockchain exclusive about something that isn't already solved otherwise


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:37:51
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:38:48
content:
  Their interest is to keep the value they have and for the blockchain to prosper, in order to do so they have to follow the rules that are set in the protocol that anyone can independently verify. If they would go outside those rules the things on the blockchain including theirs would have no more value.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:38:06
content:
  It's simply what ended up developing, it used to be open but then was closed and turned into a hub which has been working a lot more efficiently than the one threaded system it had before, General neos discussion thread usually doesnt need much direction and isnt too active either


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:41:49
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:42:43
content:
  Neos Credits are not going to be independent of Neos, makes no sense at all. Neos having multiple teams with their own competencies as with any growing company is for sure.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:45:04
content:
  CDFT is as well a token, however it cannot be traded and it is converted to NCR with its success over time


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:46:42
content:
  The problem is that the people under Froox have completely overstepped their roles as platform developers and believe they have a say in the financial side of Solirax, when in reality that is completely outside of their job descriptions and purview. You wouldn't have a programmer at Facebook telling the finance team how to do their job, and it would be considered rude and unprofessional to do so.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:52:32
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:52:41
content:
  And that's understandable within the scope and budget that directly relates to your team/involvement in a company, but we're talking about a core piece of the greater Neos economic system which is something that falls within the wheelhouse of executive leadership.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:53:17
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:53:24
content:
  Froox actually decided where almost all funds went all the time. I would like to see your data saying otherwise.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 11:55:43
edit_date: 2022-04-07 11:56:03
content:
  Advice and manipulatively strong-arming him into stepping down via a strike are two very different animals.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:00:50
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:01:10
content:
  Not how crypto works at all, people dont sell everything at once if they dont have a reason like a founder attacking his own company and token. That’s like saying Bitcoin has to come down to being worth nothing again. It doesn’t.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:01:58
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:02:52
content:
  I'd just like to point out that NCR was never an issue to the developers and community until Karel presented the 2022 roadmap in early January. I personally believe this is less about NCR being a problem and more about the others using NCR as a way to demonize Karel in an attempt to push him out of his own company (neither possible nor legal) because he started embracing his role as CEO after the NCR run last year. Up until that point they were able to co-exist because they saw Karel as more of a CFO or comptroller, but when there were expectations being placed upon them they pushed back.

  I also believe the announcements by Frooxius were intentionally instrumental in sinking the price of NCR because they believed by driving away the crypto investors, they could de-platform Karel and minimize his involvement in the company. The fact that they are unwilling to accept anything other than Karel stepping down and decoupling NCR's official status speaks volumes about their intentions.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:02:50
content:
  thats why i prefixed it with saying that at least for geenz we know if he did sell and a rough point of when.

  Im not aware of anyone else stating such


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:09:33
content:
  Yeah open source is a long term thing especially since currently we have a bunch of integral systems that either licensed incompatibly or questionably


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:09:44
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:10:10
content:
  kind of humorous to perform a self-fulfilling prophecy and handwave the blatant and malicious behavior to sink value as just "the way things are".


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:11:43
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:11:56
content:
  I've no doubt NCR would have swings in value as its always been a fairly illiquid asset... but 60% moves in a day after reckless announcements from devs is not a crypto thing.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:13:43
content:
  and it may be shocking but peolle sometimes believe in these things, like the btc commu ity believes in its vision and some of us believe in decentralized assets and money in Neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:14:23
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:15:05
content:
  Buybacks are a reaction to the situation that we are in. We obviously wouldnt be doing them if NCR were doing better, it is this low as a result of sabotage.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:14:59
content:
  One thing that i personally go by when it comes to invessting is that if profit is made i ensure to liquidate just enough that a net profit is realized in order to lessen possible future drawbacks


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:17:49
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:18:21
content:
  as early as December there were clear problems in the community. We had devs and their friends hinting at wanting to remove NCR or criple its role. If it wasn't like that, who knows, buybacks could have maybe stabilizes price at higher ranges and allowed the minting to continue


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:19:59
content:
  NCR existed since 2018 and there still hasnt been effort to making a store. It just hasnt been allowed to be a priority for the devs.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:23:53
content:
  On the contrary, the increase in developers in order to result in increased creativity and new ideas


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:25:12
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:25:38
content:
  i mean adding developers is a slow process i agree but it should be larger than the scope of just friends of froox who play neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:27:16
content:
  If the work is slow, there is no harm in the increase in order to speed up the completion of the project map


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:28:53
content:
  It wasnt until very recently that Neos saw wide success and profit, but then the own volunteers sabotaged that spark as soon as it lit


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:29:41
content:
  so youre acting like an unprofitable startup between two friends living at one of their mom's home should be getting big fat san franciso tech yuppie salaries


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:31:08
content:
  yeah well can you pay 12 people a salary with 27k a month (after taking out costs to run the damn service)? and have ANY room to grow the company?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:31:58
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:32:15
content:
  We are very much looking forward to hire more people and give them good salaries now when we can. But also the people have to operate according to that.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:32:49
content:
  well then the devs could have cooled down trying to make literal children sitting st home all day on discord happy by feeding then anti-crypto agreements and went toward the vision thst was literally throwing money in their face instead of pretending to be moral paragons?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:33:37
content:
  and that 60mil number ignores that ETH was at all-time-highs peak in November and has dropped by like half its value. Even if a single buyback never occured.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:34:01
content:
  I do not know what is the reason for continuing this discussion, and there has been a lot of discussion about this matter, or is it because there are new people on Telegram and they want to intimidate investors


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:34:49
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:35:22
content:
  If I worked on Neos I wouldnt consider myself lucky to have colleages that sabotage the company's own warchest and my future as an early member.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:42:26
content:
  Are patreon rewards going to increase? I mean seeing as they were reduced as the price went up last year and now its kinda down :)


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:43:42
edit_date: 2022-04-07 12:44:02
content:
  There is no third party thing, this is not how companies work. The company operates at it is. If Frooxius wants to exit he can try to find someone who will buy his share. That is it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:47:49
content:
  How about you go and ask Froox. I have seen a hate campaign and a bunch of completely unrealistic proposals. Our lawyers have written a nice Memorandum of understandig saying that we won’t do harmful statements.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:49:26
content:
  Would you want to be the one person refusing to sign? Sometimes there's pressure and a desire to not cause a rift at play.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:52:39
content:
  So NCR holders are being made pseudo-hostages in this situation, because theyre saying they want us thrown to the dogs and they won't compromise on that.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 12:53:48
content:
  Id rather it get sorted out legally because I'm not down with his shockingly abusive and childish third party proposal.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:06:13
content:
  well Jack, if Froox owns everything and Solirax owns nothing but pay bills, Froox would have already taken all tho.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:08:06
content:
  no need for that. the IP problem seems to be very complicated issue. lets not speculate anything.

  but surely Solirax owns neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:11:18
content:
  I don't know either, however it doesn't really seem to need a written contract. Well, actually I don't know


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:11:55
content:
  Just a clarifying question I thought of, which company specifically owns the code? Coredev? People may be wondering this.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:19:18
content:
  One thing that from a business perspective that gets a bit tricky, since we are working with major corporations and institutions who are doing a bit of internet research before spending money, is that  
  public disputes and childish critics on Twitter are tough to explain when our clients are doing a bit of research.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:20:53
edit_date: 2022-04-07 13:22:08
content:
  The entire NCR channel and subsequent threads are vehemently anti-Karel. It takes like 10 seconds of scrolling through to figure that out.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:20:55
content:
  I mean i guess kinda lol, as usual ive been archiving everything said so theres been people observing every new message posted


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:25:28
content:
  Yea same. Hard to say what sort of contract they had considering how all over the place everything else has been


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:27:36
content:
  Haha we just tell the intern the code was great and we'll totally keep using it.  And then get rid of it in the next commit ;)


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:30:01
content:
  They can contribute useful code but generally we can optimize it later. Internships are for recruitment, not contribution


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:31:42
content:
  Then you have the other end of the spectrum where for example you have stuff like electrician companies that will actually make interns do work that they legally are not allowed to do due to the potential danger, its a really all over the place thing


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:32:37
content:
  Haha yea companies definitely take advantage. I'm speaking from the FAANG perspective where interns are highly paid for essentially an extended job interview


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:33:02
content:
  How productive do you think Frooxius would have been if he had to work a full time job, cook his own food, take care of his own house while he was working on Neos on the side?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:36:42
content:
  For the majority of it's production he had non of these distractions or obligations interrupting his productivity.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:39:40
content:
  To me it is lack of centralization. My choice of Metaverse would have to be decentralized and using blockchain for asset and currency management - meaning minimizing the effect outside or any individual party could have on the Metaverse itself and anything inside it. 

  Without that my interest is greatly diminished and I'd treat such project as a normal game rather than a real Metaverse.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:42:42
content:
  Everyone talks about how much Frooxius was able to get done in a short amount of time. This was only possible because he partnered with someone who was willing to remove all distractions and outside obligations from his way.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:48:11
content:
  Open source is a long term goal its not something possible short term as karel has also said at multiple occasions


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 13:55:47
content:
  There was never even a chance to allow the funding from the ICO to go towards development, salaries, or otherwise. As soon as success showed up the team went on strike.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:00:35
content:
  The company is still sending it to him every month, same as the school he is an employee of as well. That is what the contracts say and they are not terminated at this time.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:01:26
edit_date: 2022-04-07 22:29:14
content:
  The discord likes to bring up a moment when froox requested a higher salery but was talked out of it. They use it as evidence of Frooxius being taken advantage of. How did that conversation actually go?


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:02:47
content:
  Can you stop the attack on a huge community? 
  Even when you want to attack a side here in neos, its not even 0.1% of the Furry community.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:02:58
content:
  That was a very long time ago and we could not afford to give ourselves salaries. We are the owners and that is ok for some time. I feel we've been over this countless times and this is a waste of time revisiting these things over and over.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:11:21
content:
  I'm not the one on strike blocking work getting done. I wish the stalling would end as well. Froox was offered a major salary increase now when the company can afford multiple times and the offer of course stands.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:12:58
content:
  Froox and the rest of the team want Karel to step down from his position and take NCR with him. Neither of those things are happening, and they have shot down every other option. The ball is in their court and this deadlock is entirely on them at this point. If they want Neos to move forward they need to come back with something reasonable that includes both Karel and NCR.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:15:13
edit_date: 2022-04-07 14:15:24
content:
  Having an actual timeline.

  Allowing new hires to touch his code.

  Accepting that some of his best friends won't be hired because they crossed the line.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:17:08
edit_date: 2022-04-07 14:17:14
content:
  who are you and why do you answer for Karel? I appreciate the intention to help out, however I explicitly addressed Karel with my question. However thanks for helping


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:18:49
content:
  I don't think there are any conditions. I think stopping the strike, not hurting the company and ncr holders, continue developing Neos would be generally expected.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:20:26
content:
  That sounds like too good to be true. Living with friends, having a high salary, going back to the old pace of development. Having a nice passion project actually paying out


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:23:36
content:
  I think that is well deserved for a founder and developer of a successful tech company. Other than some unfortunate relatively recent behavior Froox did almost always very good work at Neos.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:28:44
content:
  I really believe this is a case of Frooxius allowing others to get into his head and the decision to strike wasn't entirely done on his own volition. There were likely a handful of people gaslighting him into believing he was being victimized during a stressful moment when NCR was skyrocketing and the pressure to deliver was high. It really sounds like an opportunistic power grab.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:31:27
content:
  Their aim is to justify the current attempt of ousting Karel, nothing else. They don't want to have a boss, they want control and to do things their way


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:31:35
content:
  Man, if he comes here, he makes himself the innocent who wants the best for everyone, and if he goes to Discord, he becomes the opposite of this


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:35:54
content:
  like please stop being disingenuous. Maybe you havent been on the receiving end there when you have 8 people talking down to you and acting smug to one another about it in a childish highschool clique manner.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:38:05
content:
  I'd also appreciate Frooxius himself talking openly with the community. It's been 3 months, if he expects to lead, he can't let others talk for him. As of now it seems his friends are in the driving seat


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:42:15
content:
  I'm afraid that discord might actually drive a lot of people away from Neos, even without the open hostility. Not sure how general population react to furries even on their best behavior


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:44:04
content:
  No one ran. The two main founders of the company are in a deadlock disagreement about the future of the company. Frooxius wants Karel to step down with little to no compensation. Karel refuses. Deadlock.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:44:15
content:
  furries are a given with online games, evem if this game has alot. I just think anyone wanting to come in and fund it would see that the community and devs are hostile to the prospect a d would avoid is all


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:44:37
content:
  Yeah, I'm wondering the effect on general population. The furries are the most vocal and in your face when you're at discord


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 14:47:02
edit_date: 2022-04-07 14:56:51
content:
  Frooxius and a large part of the community want crypto removed from the project. Karel refuses. Ownership of the project is split 50-50. Frooxius is the main developer and he and his team are on strike until Karel steps down and NCR removed from the project.

  Edit: There is no good reason to remove NCR and there is no plan to remove NCR. Some people in the community just hate crypto and Karel.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:01:48
content:
  Nobody want that though. Not even Karel. He seems to understand Frooxius has put a great deal of work and passion into the project. Replacing the dev team would be a last resort.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:09:44
content:
  This is inaccurate, 300 is about the concurrent user count and we have plenty of non furs in the community, such as for example a lot of the members of the japanese community, Turk has his own discord going etc


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:11:48
content:
  The UI redesign as far as i remember was an upcoming item starting with the rework of the settings page


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:16:57
content:
  If you try to go to Neos and use it like VRChat, of course it won't work. It is in no way meant to work like VRChat


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:18:54
content:
  Integrating an entire development environment into a 3D social VR game is not a trivial thing. Neos's UX/UI issue is complicated because best practices for this sort of unique situation don't exist yet, which means a lot of this is experimental and trial/error.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:22:49
content:
  I think a native Unity SDK for Neos would attract a lot of VRChat world builders. Also bifurcating the user and creator UI elements so the default user experience is more akin to VRChat would help to make it more accessible. Those two things alone would have a pretty significant impact on user adoption and retention.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:24:23
content:
  Yes VRC also actively did advertising and has a lower technical goal than what Neos has, we do not compete with VRC the purpose is completely different


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:30:23
content:
  Buybacks make sense when you're buying back shares of a company.  Buying back NCR is just a waste of funds.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:42:12
edit_date: 2022-04-07 15:44:45
content:
  Maybe its better to put some buy wall at lets say 20/25c instead of doing buybacks? Because karel is buying expensive tokens  now. He could buy much more cheaper. And would be good for future as he would hold a lot of tokens


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:47:22
content:
  People had the opportunity to sell at that price for some time, it might be time for NCR to resume growth


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:49:34
content:
  Why do we want the NCR price to grow? Because it is way too low and we need to inspire others to buy and hold as well.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 15:56:41
edit_date: 2022-04-07 15:57:25
content:
  What we do know is that Karel has stated that he will not be stepping down from Neos (as the devs are hoping for) and that NCR will not be 3rd party. I think both of these things are incredibly good news for the token long-term.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 16:47:09
content:
  Are you new here? My group held like 10%+ of the entire NCR supply and offered countless times (for free) to help with advisors, marketing, CEX listings, market makers, etc. and got ignored by Karel.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 16:49:00
content:
  Sadly that ship has sailed and we've all dumped anyway.  Too much wasted on buybacks and sus behavior of new wallets selling minutes before liq was removed.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 16:54:29
edit_date: 2022-04-07 16:58:06
content:
  But now seeing how there was so much internal conflict I totally understand his decision to do things manually and control the keys himself.


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 17:03:52
content:
  Yeah, swap could be beneficial long term. Bring people in who're willing to have a boss, roadmaps and such


type: message
date: 2022-04-07 18:32:14
edit_date: 2022-04-07 18:32:19
content:
  however, I wonder why the progress graph on the website doesn't reflect recent changes to the whitepaper


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 09:45:17
content:
  Hi, i sent some ETH to the minting contract address yesterday but haven't received the NCR in my wallet yet. How long does it take to mint?


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 14:22:58
content:
  Hello @Abby_rests thank you so much for supporting Neos. Please check your direct messages so we can figure out whether the transaction was processed yet and possibly cancel it so you can get more NCR on some of the exchanges for the same amount.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 14:24:42
content:
  The market price is significantly lower than the mint price at this time so you can get a much better deal in the market.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 14:28:51
content:
  Thank you sirkitree, so glad you like it. We already got some good feedback on it and will be improving it further. 😊


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 14:59:04
content:
  Hello, CEO, why don't you do marketing in ncr? Your team is very good in technology, but I didn't see you do marketing


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 15:01:43
content:
  Your team is very careful and good at doing things. I am optimistic about NCR project and intend to keep it forever


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 15:20:26
edit_date: 2022-04-08 23:13:54
content:
  I don't think Neos is ready for wide adoption yet, there are many issues with the UX and in some other areas. If you make a great user friendly product people will come, if you market something with usability issues it's money down the drain.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 15:34:14
content:
  If it’s true that you’re waiting for perfection, Decentraland and other metaverse MVPs will dominate.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 15:49:48
edit_date: 2022-04-08 15:50:18
content:
  The dev experience alone would be a good marketing angle. There simply isn't anything else out therer where you can get these sort of results in such a short amount of time. Nothing has the power with this kind of excellent rendering. 

  Bring in the devs, get it open source, and things will start to fall into place with some good open source management.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 15:50:16
content:
  Totally, future large NCR price increases should be only a side effect of Neos success and wide adoption overall. The total amount of tokens is fixed (with 17 decimal places and more can be added).


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 15:52:00
content:
  As it currently stands, I can't even pay someone to get the features I need for my clients.

  As open source, I could hire someone with the knowledge to implement a module/addon that could be utilized byt eh core system.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 16:48:18
content:
  Frooxius will need to do some serious soul searching to determine if throwing away 8 years of his life’s work is worth it. Karel holds as much claim to the intellectual property of Neos as he does and his options are to continue working or abandon his own project - at which point the team could be replaced.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 16:56:38
edit_date: 2022-04-08 17:00:26
content:
  If you run a small bootstrapping company there are always problems to solve that seem huge and you can be sure even more are waiting for you around the corner. The solition is precisely that, believing the future is good, having a vision and working towards it. Always. You gotta stay optimistic no other way to do this. People that start companies tend to be optimistic otherwise they wouldn’t start in the first place.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 17:00:57
content:
  there's only so much Karel can do when the other side isn't budging from their original position of booting Karel and NCR from the platform entirely


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 17:22:08
edit_date: 2022-04-08 18:51:14
content:
  Looking forward to the day we’re gonna need those and will be primarily using Units (1/1000) instead of whole Credits. A lot of adoption and a lot more users between here and there though.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 18:45:43
content:
  Im following this channel, and I see you, @Karel Hulec, is doing a great job at last with the community, always talking with ppl on telegram and being positive. Lets keep this positive energy always here so ppl can see NEOS is NOT dead. Thanks to that.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:37:29
content:
  You are looking to solve a problem. If the problem you want to solve is transportation, then start with something simple that do the work like a skateboard. The ideal product could be a car. However you can’t build a car from thin air.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:38:42
content:
  you start small doing things that don’t scale, and you iterate, and perfect the product while users are using it and paying for it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:40:35
content:
  That’s why I say that neos is trying to build the car first. Neos is waiting to have the full product to launch to the mass market. In my opinion that’s a mistake.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:42:31
content:
  applying the Lean Startup methodology you launch a minimum viable product, you observe, iterate based on user feedback, and repeat until you have the perfect product.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:44:44
content:
  But platforms like Decentraland and the Sandbox are using the lean startup methodology. They are making millions $$$ and getting a lot of valuable feedback from the users


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:48:23
content:
  Here’s the other point of view https://mackinstitute.wharton.upenn.edu/2018/downside-lean-startup-principles/


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 22:51:05
edit_date: 2022-04-08 22:51:32
content:
  In my opinion Neos looks really mature. If you only change the UI/UX design and launch to the mass market you will have the best metaverse platform the world has ever seen. Frooxius and Karel would be floating in a sea of money.


type: message
date: 2022-04-08 23:31:39
edit_date: 2022-04-08 23:43:09
content:
  This makes sense in some contexts, but I would argue that it agile methods are not really the best way to approach an infrastructural project. I'd rather see a clean separation between Neos' core APIs and object/component model managed in a more traditional waterfall approach with client candidates tackled through agile iteration. We need a stable interface long term if we ever want to see implementation diversity in the form of multiple compatible clients, which at least to me is an obvious necessity to approach the potential of the 'metaverse' vision.

  Honestly, I'd ideally like to see the API and object/component model spun off into an independent standards organization once it reaches maturity.


type: message
date: 2022-04-09 10:54:19
content:
  I just hope we never have the mess of a standards issue that USB had because that stuff took forever to resolve


type: message
date: 2022-04-09 14:46:14
edit_date: 2022-04-09 14:58:38
content:
  The only other person legally connected to the company is Frooxius and marketing does not fall within his job description as the platform development lead. Karel has every right as the CEO to autonomously make key executive decisions that do not fall within the scope of Frooxius's wheelhouse.


type: message
date: 2022-04-09 17:13:06
content:
  I mean regardless, the redesign of the page is pretty nice and modernized. Don't really see a problem with the change.


type: message
date: 2022-04-09 20:29:11
content:
  Yeah we know you came here looking for a petty argument. Pleased to inform you Karel is half the company. He's taking feedback on the site so send him yours if you actually care.


type: message
date: 2022-04-09 21:10:56
content:
  I took it as a jab the whole "just wanted to confirm it was Karel and not the ACTUAL company" comment


type: message
date: 2022-04-10 20:26:47
content:
  Great to see some progress here. Great project and user base. Once the NCR link to the platform is done and users are incentivised to use NcR than traditional currency great adoption will come.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 01:28:16
content:
  Karel Andrea Guys if you could please address my confusion. Its been a while since nuke attack and we still don’t know what exactly is happening right now. Karel seem to have implied that the matter is not exactly in court while froox doesn’t seem to seated on the negotiation table. So what’s going on to address the team dispute right now? Thanks.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 04:48:26
edit_date: 2022-04-11 09:37:03
content:
  Hi Yehan, thanks for the question. We are still waiting for Frooxius to communicate his stand and response to our proposal and suggestions. Once we know more we will be able to inform you guys. I am sorry that this is taking time as we also want nothing more than to move forward in this matter and we are doing everything we can to speed things up, but we all have hang in there a little bit longer. 

  In a meantime, thanks everyone for your feedback on the website, we will certainly optimise and make changes where neccessary ☺️


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 04:51:51
content:
  Thanks Andrea. At what point would you stop waiting for his response and take further actions? To be honest I don’t think he’s concerned about honoring us with his audience.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 05:04:57
content:
  Well, without going too much into detail, some further actions have been taken from our end to encourage communication and making sure that no additional harm such as that “nuke attack” as you put it, would happen. We are certainly not just blindly waiting but as it is a complex situation we have to approach it as such.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 05:07:53
edit_date: 2022-04-15 17:08:32
content:
  I was just referring to that explosion of tweets and publicly exchanged opinions/statements,  that we experienced. I believe that is what Yehan meant?😊


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 05:09:52
content:
  Regardless as I said, once we do know more and we are in a position to share, we will absolutely keep you informed.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 08:52:32
content:
  Can also happen when cleaning out the Neos Cache is being cleared.
  Which is not automated yet btw.
  so if you play a couple of months, joining various worlds, it is not uncommon that that will grow past 100 gb.

  That can impact your windows boot time aswell, so keep in mind to check it now and then. (A good tool to check your disk allocation is for example treesize)


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 08:53:51
content:
  As a comparison: I had around 160 gb back then when I found out.
  Was wondering why my pc took over 3 minutes too boot to the login screen, while having an nvme drive.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 09:41:30
edit_date: 2022-04-15 17:08:09
content:
  I think part of what makes the Metaverse special is the eclectic diversity of the userbase and the ability to share our unique cultures and talents with others. To this point Neos has been predominantly homogeneous with a fairly large furry coder / developer presence which is fine, but in the spirit of the Neos slogan of "A Metaverse As Unique As Its Users" I think at some point it's going to be important to foster new communities in-world.

  I also think it's up to us to start brainstorming what new community initiates will look like and how we can use the platform to create new visual/media content outside of Neos and draw in other early adopters. There is still a lot to be done before the platform is commercially marketable to the mainstream, but I think bringing a diverse group of pioneers can help to lay the groundwork for what Neo's in-world culture will eventually look like. 

  Just an early morning thought. ❤️


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 09:47:57
content:
  I mean any community can come into neos and use it i dont think we have anything in place currently that makes it less useable for non furries, although for non cfreators/devs i definitely see how neos can be a hurdle right now.

  The main thing there i think is showing more of the diversity we already have since a lot of people just see the amount of furries.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 09:51:05
content:
  It's less of a technical hurdle and more of a cultural one. When it comes to getting platform traction for any new social network, be in 2D or 3D - it's the paradox of needing people to draw in new people. Once you can hit that point of critical traction momentum it becomes self-propagating, but getting to that point requires a lot of consistency and outreach from individual community leaders.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 09:59:44
content:
  One great thing is that a lot of people are part of more than just one community which should also just overtime help with bringing more diverse people


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:00:58
content:
  Second Life was very much the same way early on. The pillars of the in-world communities and subcultures in conjunction with the content creators helped to create that early traction. It gave new users a way to engage day-1 which is incredibly important for user retention.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:05:54
content:
  I think a certain degree of userbase expectation management is important with how early in the greater story of the Metaverse we are right now. The truth is that even Horizon isn't entirely mainstream accessible because of the HMD requirements. Sometimes having that strong core userbase in the demographic long-tail is enough for a platform to become successful and sustainable, which again is what we've seen with Second Life. Over time as the younger generations become VR natives we'll see higher adoption rates but it's important to keep growth projections realistic.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:06:51
edit_date: 2022-04-11 10:07:55
content:
  There is an inherent niche interest for fully fledged virtual worlds. They are getting more accessible now, but honestly they are of primary interest to a rather insular subset. That will likely continue to be the case until we can make a push for a more fundamental shift in terms of computing paradigm. At the moment the interaction metaphors are still a bit up in the air and we're really doing the work right now of iterating on the abstractions that will eventually enable broad adoption, but it's still in strongly the early adopter phase.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:06:51
content:
  That is just not gonna happen, not because they can't develop something similiar to neos but because thats just not their plan to do so, nor the direction they are going in


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:08:19
content:
  VRChat will always have the albatross of Unity around its neck and I think that will ultimately hinder it from ever being something as dynamic as something like Neos. Neos is more akin to Unity itself. VRChat is more or less a very fancy Unity levels hosting service.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:09:57
content:
  The metaverse is just the web :) Virtual worlds are what we're working on right now. Hypermedia is the interlink.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:10:19
content:
  Yeah one of the major benefits of neos is one the core philosophy of everything being essentially open and modifiable and the fact that we are using Unity as a temporary solution not some bandaid fix as VRC does.

  VRCs core systems depend to 100% on unity, trying to remove unity from VRC would be harder than starting from scratch, mainly because systems like simply delegating assets out to users make use of the integrated DLC system unity has


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:11:37
content:
  Agreed. VRChat is also a fully hosted solution and not likely to embrace hybrid decentralization in the same way that Neos has - and will continue to as it redacts proprietary corelibs from its codebase.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:12:24
content:
  Yup, and theyve also found their revenue stream by sca--- i mean "charging reasonable fees" for events to be hosted within it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:13:04
edit_date: 2022-04-11 10:13:39
content:
  This is basicly why I am interested in Neos. The eventual possibility of standardization and the current robustness of the entity component model.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:15:20
content:
  Yeah I think ultimately monolithic walled gardens will be replaced by open solutions. Interoperability and scaleability are going to be important in the future as the Metaverse starts to integrate itself beyond the VR headset - a'la IoT etc.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:16:34
edit_date: 2022-04-11 10:16:47
content:
  Look up the semantic web and RDF. Data silos are not a feature of the web, they are a feature of surveillance capitalism and attempts to monopolize on network effects.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:19:59
content:
  We are still using unities render pipeline. UE is nice visually but just impossible to actually build anything neos like on


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:26:00
content:
  Time wise, that heavily depends currently for obvious reasons, but replacing unity rendering has been planned for a while, you can also see geenz's plans for a rendering engine that would support something like neos for an idea of what such a renderer would look like


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:27:08
edit_date: 2022-04-11 10:28:28
content:
  My friend, this is the history of ideas. They do not fail or succeed. They propagate through the medium of the mind. We are living in a world quite literally shaped by the Mother of All Demos, and that is from 1968. We take steps to solidify and manage virtual communities trail blazed by PLATO in 1973. The web as we know it iterates not through some mythical genius out of time, but through dialog with history. Ours is a field that likes to forget that. Yet here we stand, in history, talking :P


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:30:14
content:
  Yeah having more options for shaders and general rendering will be great for projects such as the metamovie


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:31:40
edit_date: 2022-04-11 10:33:43
content:
  I was poking around in a virtual world called Helios recently. It's basically a VRChat clone but built in Unreal Engine with RTX compatibility. Some of the worlds are cinema-ready.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:31:53
content:
  There is really no difference. That's the power of the web. That's why RDF is such a mindbogglingly powerful tool. That's why the 'metaverse' is inevitable. inter-connection is the name of the game and it has been since we first started tapping out Baudot code.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:35:18
content:
  Pretty much every single one that deals in data, by virtue of interacting with wikidata, musicbrains, or any of the other semantically aware databases required to make content aware queries :)


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:46:00
content:
  :) Seems splitting hairs. It is clear that the semantic web is the primary way people engage with web services these days. I like RDF, but Schema.org's markup is fine too. We rely on semantic maps for virtual assistants, search engines... And it's the clear future for the web as a technology. Seems a silly point to press just because it's inconvenient to the marketing term 'metaverse' :P


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 10:59:22
content:
  If you insist. I point to the fundamental technologies, unicode, RDF, OWL, XML, hell, even tight purpose technologies like activitypub and I say "This is the pool I'm playing in". I know what I'm about, I know what interests me, and It's neos' entity component model as a clear extension of this paradigm :P


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 11:04:21
content:
  Honestly I think that's just a momentum thing. having watched that space for a while the process of standardization was messy and drama laden.


type: message
date: 2022-04-11 11:11:49
content:
  That's not entirely Eugene's fault, to be fair. He did the work to switch over to activitypub from ostatus, which I still think was the right move, but yeah. Deletions are inelegantly handled to say the least >.>


type: message
date: 2022-04-12 01:03:04
content:
  A reminder to not message random people on Telegram, you will be reported for Spam and then cannot message people


type: message
date: 2022-04-12 03:17:16
content:
  But it may work. The problem right now is that there’s only 2 members in the board with equal voting power. Isn’t it?


type: message
date: 2022-04-12 03:22:01
edit_date: 2022-04-12 03:39:35
content:
  Give voting to shareholders. The people who use the platform are probably going to make better decisions anyway


type: message
date: 2022-04-12 05:44:14
content:
  Yeah, I'm personally looking forward positively to when this all is resolved, in the meantime ive been working on some modifications to the engine of my own


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 11:09:10
content:
  I think more content like this is an awesome way to draw in the creator community.  Easy to watch, entertaining and shows of some of the platform USP. I love the speech txt bubbles and the point about accessibility.  Wish the token that was exchanged at the end of the video had an NCR logo on it. 

  https://twitter.com/jackiealexender/status/1513694322373259265?s=21&t=DILiThXiuFVIrBlbwtJxaA


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 13:42:55
content:
  One wouldn't just click on big buttons blindly. That's why there's text just below that. The first paragraph seems reasonably phrased. And more details fillled in below :)


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:03:33
edit_date: 2022-04-13 15:04:58
content:
  Due to hype, people minted, price went up, FOMO, overbought, bubble pops, imminent dump. Same history that already happened with so many other coins


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:17:11
content:
  price of NCR went up way too quickly for a game that wasn't ready yet and still isn't ready as of today


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:22:40
content:
  There must be a good reason that's making the dev team acting this way, as I know they wouldn't damage Neos


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:36:18
content:
  Personally, I cancelled my Patreon until things are resolved, once they are done i'll probably resubscribe to patreon at the same or higher tier, assuming a higher tier is even open at that point


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:38:56
content:
  I mean that's fine if thats all you are in for it.

  The main point of patreon in general is to support the creators, the rewards are just additional incentives people offer as a thanks


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:40:33
content:
  I stopped support to give incentive to solve the current dispute quickly, so I can resubscribe the moment things are solved in a good way. I won't resubscribe if I don't like the outcomes


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:41:40
content:
  So what point in time do you define as "the NCR mess" because this all started shortly after the pumping of ncr and even before it hit 10


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:42:37
edit_date: 2022-04-13 15:42:57
content:
  I hope for a solution where development of Neos continues at a faster pace and where NCR gets its utility that it so desperately needs


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:45:46
content:
  I think that's just a coincidence, actually looking at the times, NCR was already on the way down when the poll was published


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:47:17
content:
  The shape that you can see till december is actually a similar shape to how it usually develops when a coin is overbought


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:48:06
content:
  the drop at the beginning of January, that's the first one that seems to have been caused by an announcement


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:48:19
content:
  The Staking poll making people sell isnt surprising to me because theres a lot of people that see a swap to stakng as a red flag


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:49:45
content:
  In general i think the main takeaway here is that Froox's announceement did not cause "the downfall of ncr" NCR was already on a downtrend which is the main point of the chart really


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:51:20
content:
  Im not too deep into that subset i just know they exist, I think fantom either tweeted on it or made a retweet on it at some point


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 15:52:26
content:
  Personally i like joking about that asking for the moon is thinking too small, like weve already gotten to the moon, time to explore new planets!


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 16:14:24
content:
  Ah makes sense, i think CBs ui is just a lot neater and simpler to use, on top of offering Paypal payouts free of fees


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 17:47:29
content:
  It's almost like my vision of the future of neos is aligned with the team, which i have been literally saying in here but go off i guess?


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 17:48:16
content:
  I mean hell if you are looking for some smoking gun you could have at least found something jucier like maybe that horror meme edit i did


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 17:51:08
content:
  And if you dont understand what im talking about with insane demands, that would be stuff like full IP ownership and anything along those lines


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 17:51:29
content:
  Such as what Karel has proposed before where froox would simply work in a seperate company that just makes code for neos, thats not a reasonable ask


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 17:52:06
content:
  I dont even know what hes trying to discredit is the problem here because i have not been quiet on this kinda stuff in here XD


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 17:52:36
content:
  You know, now that you point it out. Maybe you ARE Sharkmare... I think it's too early to tell for sure though.


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 19:47:24
content:
  I thought it was just to make it easier to employ the volunteers at Usa, and Frooxius also wants to live there


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 19:53:29
content:
  Regardless of if Froox was to remain in partial ownership of Solirax LTD, in the current negotiations its not really a serious suggestion because everyone has stated that they do not wish to work with karel yet that would in totallity be literally working with and partially for karel


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 19:54:36
content:
  And any other suggestion that would give karel managerial power over the team is just as unrealistic for exactly this reason


type: message
date: 2022-04-13 19:56:38
content:
  That is honestly as likely as the earth being hit by a meteor... like with a case such as this you usually dont see people suddenly making up and singing Kumbaya together


type: message
date: 2022-04-14 05:00:18
content:
  Hey, I am No Sticker Bot!

  I remove stickers posted to chat.

  English language support:

  - Documentation and FAQ: tgdev.io
  - Support group: @tgdev_en
  - News channel: @tgdev_news

  Поддержка на русском языке:

  - Документация и FAQ: tgdev.io/ru
  - Группа поддержки: @tgdev_ru
  - Канал новостей: @tgdev_news_ru


type: message
date: 2022-04-14 05:03:25
content:
  Hey, I am NoPigRobot!

  I remove objscene words from chat.

  English language support:

  - Documentation and FAQ: tgdev.io
  - Support group: @tgdev_en
  - News channel: @tgdev_news

  Поддержка на русском языке:

  - Документация и FAQ: tgdev.io/ru
  - Группа поддержки: @tgdev_ru
  - Канал новостей: @tgdev_news_ru


type: message
date: 2022-04-14 05:15:11
edit_date: 2022-04-14 05:16:14
content:
  I came into Neos open minded didnt have any hate for these animals but after this all happen it change


type: message
date: 2022-04-14 05:23:01
edit_date: 2022-04-14 16:56:42
content:
  In the years that I've spent participating in the furry fandom I've come to realize that it's a victimization cult that weaponizes words like "abuse" to manipulate others into believing they are morally superior and entitled to taking over projects like Neos. There was a brief moment of time I empathized with Froox until the anti-Karel claims became more and more ridiculous. They really lost me at the whole story about Karel locking Froox in the house and forcing him to code/work. Completely asinine tabloid-level trash shock pieces to evoke emotional reactions and win people over to their cause, and I'm not buying into it.


type: message
date: 2022-04-14 05:28:13
edit_date: 2022-04-14 05:28:43
content:
  Considering these sorts of work disagreements happen everywhere in life it's a little silly or "childish" to say "it's because of furrys" but if you need a target to cope, I guess what ever floats your boat


type: message
date: 2022-04-14 05:35:25
edit_date: 2022-04-14 16:58:05
content:
  This entire fabricated hate campaign is a result of the volunteers not wanting to take orders from Karel after he presented the 2022 roadmap in January. It's no coincidence that everybody trying to push Karel out of his own company has a cartoon animal avatar in Discord. They've collectively gassed up Froox into believing he is a victim of Karel and what followed was a cascade of negative announcements on Discord which were meant to devalue NCR and minimize Karel's influence in the company. This isn't about abuse - this is a power grab as I've seen happen many times in the past with furry projects.


