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Hello Karel, I know that there was water under the bridges, but what about this mindset? Is NCR meant to die or is it worth trusting/believing in your vision? I am still optimistic but what about you?

https://imgur.com/a/UHkAFEG

It all depends on who will keep Neos

The way i like it to see is NCR as payment option for Neos

So you can choose

Then everyone is happy

But the dev team needs to be willing to talk

Yeah sounds nice but again I don't see them agreeing in any way right now. Maybe it is a dead end ?

Likely

The devs just don't want to work on the game anymore even tho they are confident they own the code it's weird 🤔

Like where is the promised Neos store where you can buy creations and such

Yeah probably

So time to get new devs that are looking for a job

But on the other hand weren't the devs always volunteer?

Meaning they did this besides another job to begin with

I think froox was the only fulltime dev

Yeah but finding new devs is difficult since you need devs that have passion for Neos

Not just seeing it as a job to be done

Else it becomes corporate and you want to avoid that

Yeah but also someone that sees the vision as it used to be

Neos where you build things in-game and have a ingame market where you can buy avatars and such from

That vision needs to be back

That's what NCR was made for

Ingame economy

Like second life Linden

I agree, we need usecases and development for NCR otherwise it will be remembered as a pump and dump scheme.

Yes

Neos store

What is preventing Karel from implementing Neos store ?

We are set up.

Yeah theoretically you could already set up a website and sell the .7zbson packages for items made in Neos there but Neos doesn't have item licensing and hard permissions yet which needs to be implemented

Yeah

But the source code isn't accessible tho only froox and devs got it

So new devs wouldn't be able to get the source code

A lot.

But new devs would be a good start

With eth proof of stake we can have nfts now 😂

So that's what the dispute is about Karel can't hire devs when the source code isn't getable which is via lawyers

Nah was said here it was about who owns the code

Yeah

So basically it's about that

New devs could be hired tho and decompile the current code and build from that i guess

Yeah

contractors would have signed contracts which none of them did so solirax wont even own the code it was more accurate volunteer work

Yeah i think that's true

karels words yes, but to for a company to own it the people wouldve had to sign contracts and none of them have.

If the devs owned the code they can just update

The fact they don't do updates means they aren't sure if they own the code

There was even less people on yesterday

Basically the 4th option is happening

This isnt true.

If they cared about keeping the community growing they would have updated

Not updating = they pull the community with it

Thats not the point and those don't correlate.

What does correlate then

They lost the passion to work on updates and now there is no Neos store i was looking forward to it tbh

Thrill seekers 4th prediction is coming true this way

ha no passion

We have only so much information about what is happening behinds the scenes. The best we understand is that they don't want to work with karel, so they are not updating.
In your case, it seems like assumptions and rumors you just made up. You are speaking on behalf the team that you arnt on.

So basically they are using Karel as excuse to not update and because of their unwillingness to do so kill the game and community

No

no where the hell did you get that

From other people ingame

People part of the inner circle

They can just update the game

It's their job

Im going to assume you have just misinterpreted what people said, or your "inner circle" knows nothing

Neos would have been unplayable already long ago, if they dont keep it running. For example fixxing the cloud infrastructure when it has hiccups and more.

Most of them don't have a contract -> so not a job

Karel keeps Neos running btw

No.

Without Karel no cloud no multiplayer

Well in that case time to find people willing to update Neos

I really should stop taking afford in talking with you...

You still take the devs side

multiplayer would still work due to p2p lnl connections

This wont happen, and if it does, you might as well keep waiting for updates, because new devs wont pick up that code easily.

I'm simply a Neos user that wants Neos to succeed and be reccomendable again to people

All of us do. But we can't do much about it, so we wait

Waiting isn't good enough anymore the devs showed their unwillingness to move on and resume development after a year

Yes

They aren't employees so new devs can be found

Maybe even faolan

no

I love faolans hacker brain, but no

He's a very good dev

>_>

Whatever you say

Like i think tbh that people that make mods and people from the Neos+ can come together form a new dev team for Neos

They know the code

That would be a good place to search for new devs

People there know the vision of Neos so don't need to be introduced to the codebase from new

Not how that works. I to do the codings too but im not a magical sourcer that can debug frooxengine

So what would happen theoretically if solirax were to hire people to work on a fork of Neos right now?

Legally speaking

That would make people happy

Its kind of cute how often its implied Neos is this space-age alien code that no one but galaxy brain froox and his friends can ever comprehend

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Not trying to imply this. More so that understanding an unfamiliar code base can be frustrating.

Especially if there is no one to guide you or there isnt much documentation

Alex there is not a lack of passion and nor is there a lack of willingness. Were not shipping updates out of choice. Please re read all the statements we've made and stop falling foul of random speculation and rumors which have no basis in fact.

Yes choice

Do updates again else thrillseekers 4th choice is coming true

We're working as fast as we can, nagging doesn't do anything Alex but you know this, we've told you a few times.

do somerthing Karel , marketing or buyback or listing…. What are you doing?

Is it the homepage renewal that's all I've done now?

The website?

Yeah it's quite nice

Maybe you should launch an NFT and get people's attention. Please do something

The saddest part froox could have worked on Neos when the influx of new users was happening to show willingness to update Neos with better usability but the chance is now gone

Again showing how much is being done to make usability easier

There will be plenty of more opportunities in the future to capitalize on an event in the VR industry :)

If you don't do anything now, the price of ncr will collapse in an instant Like LUNA

The website on the other hand is made really nicely and modern

I hold the dev team accountable for not updating Neos because their reason is not sufficient to kill the whole game over

Aka the 4th choice

lmao

It's true it can be done right now a fork of Neos with new dev team

There is people willing to

People keep defending the dev team for their not updating actions but after a while it's enough

Time to make the game useable for new users

I think Neos is very usable right now, even without enhancements or updates occurring regularly. It's fairly stable and we're still able to have regular events on it and build awesome things

Yes but user retention is -100

Losing instead of gaining new users

But yeah the inner circle doesn't mind that they are already inner circle and nobody new needs to join and nothing needs to change to keep them happy

But when you are a regular user then there is nobody on during the day in public worlds

I think what you're saying doesn't have a basis in facts. there is no inner circle.

The inner circle is the long time users that stay in private worlds all the time

They all know eachother all friends

And basically if you aren't part of it you are left out

Not at all Alex,

I got proof

There are new user worlds open all the time, events being run every single weekend for new users

It used to be a lot more

I remember the days of 12+ users gm flatgrass Neos world

Now it's like 2 or 3 users

Yup, but that's just a function of people being on the platform. There's no secret circle of users.

That's a lie i know of several

I think you're confusing Friends, Groups of Friends, Communities and "Secret circles" you make it sound like the illuminati or something.

Its just people that want to hang out together not in public worlds, its not a secret club out to get you or anything.

So yes there needs to become updates to the ui and everything to make Neos a 1000+ people platform

We're aware of that.

And it needs to become 1000+ users it's vital to the survival of Neos

How to inspire confidence in new users so that they are hopeful for updates again?

I'm professional about Neos

hahahahaha

Did someone say public worlds :3

My set of sessions are always open

do somerthing Karel , marketing or buyback or listing…. What are you doing?

I've also been getting into the habit of just leaving my world open. Granted, I'm doing random dev stuff so... that's why I am otherwise in private or contact+ environments. It would be nice to be able to have a status or whatever to more or less say "Yes, I'm in private, but totally fine with being poked" or whatever, but wishful feature requests they may be

as for the state of Neos and user retention... it's a lot of things, and merely updating something isn't going to magically make the problems go away. Besides the outside social outlook and general overview of the platform, internally, Neos is a bit like Linux, with (in my opinion) a general goal of making it so a user cannot tell that is what is happening underneath.

For context, I have my SteamDeck. I install game, and game works. Controls are nice, screen is good, and seems to run fast. A general user doesn't really need to know that it's Linux Inside (tm). That being said, adventurous users can go into desktop mode and be greeted with KDE, and realize it can act as a portable PC, which is good for YouTube videos, checking Twitter, and so on. More advanced users can throw on extra apps and emulators to build onto it.

And then there are nerds like me who have "10 hours of Hackerman" in the background while plugging a keyboard and mouse in, staring at a console screen and writing bash scripts to do clever tricks.

In a sense, one aspect that could be desired is to more or less do something similar in nature. Valve had to compete with other consoles, and Neos has to compete, in a sense, with the other platforms. Neos has many layers to its operation, and not all users really care about the deeper parts. In a way, Neos may need to simply realize that for it to solve just ONE aspect of a problem, the answer isn't just one best answer, but rather best answers.

again, this is just a baseline example for honestly only a portion of Neos's issues. There are a lot, and not all can just be solved by the dev team. Some of it is community based as well.

Neos is only going to get so many more of those. They has atleast two golden opportunities but squandered them to a childish inability to come together and a spineless fear of public perception over their own crypto and fundraisers. Like... How many more chances does this team deserve? And more importantly how many will they get? Because people are building on other platforms, and other giant companies are working and yet to launch theirs.

There's two truly tangible things Neos has, imo. Their head start and their creed on giving users powerful ingame tools and freedom to use them

its about control. And ego. They want to cling to this position of power they have in their community. That's why there's no room for another leader besides Froox, no room for Open Source and it'll always be this thing they say they "eventually" want to do, because they not only want to keep control, but they want to fancy themselves to be the open source type as well.

I mean you're wrong, but you'll say you are right, then we'll argue, then you'll troll so I'll just stop with this, you're wrong.

Why isn't it something you can commit to then? Why does it always have to be some coy remarks if this is a valid solution and, as you wish we'd believe, an eventual goal for the project?

Because the team is afraid they'd become irrelevant and then lose ability to collect funds.

I dunno why you can't just say to Karel "yeah, we want to go open source. Lets commit to that goal together so we dont have to work together. It will take time, but we atleast agree on this and build our solution based off this."

Commit to what?

We're not afraid of being irrelevant or losing the ability to collect funds.

Commit to Neos being open source as the solution to your dispute with Karel.

Oh that's not the current issue with the negotiations, neither is it any tiny amount of the full picture. There's more items at play and conversations to be had. No I won't tell you what those are so just continue believing whatever you want.... It's most likely wrong.

Froox and some of the team have expressed they do want to opensource, they aren't able to just change that overnight, It also isn't the only issue at hand. despite some people phrasing it as the main or only issue. You can read some of the discussion for Opensourcing on the github https://github.com/Neos-Metaverse/NeosPublic/issues/2584#issuecomment-873821214

The current plan has seemed to be a gradual open sourcing as they are able to. As mentioned in that linked comment, starting with the plugin system. Licensed libraries would need to get special permission or be remade/replaced as well to allow a more opensource ecosystem

Drafting through Froox's explanation, especially regarding fragmentation... speaking from experience, that's a very real possibility. Ironically, it was even argued here in this very chat...

Prime I dont expect you to ever add anything of value, whether its directed at me or others, about these talks. Despite that you sure like to pop up and pretend to correct people's assumptions.

Oh that's simply because the rumor mill is quite insane and I dislike it existing.

Oh the real reason we don't want to work with Karel is because they don't like cookies, naw its fruit, naw its puppies.

Think whatever you want, I'll correct inaccurate statements, to prevent their spread.

lack of appreciation of fine cheese?

I think Karel likes cheese. I mean its a reasonable assumption. Perhaps not fine cheese though. Expensive food can get crazy

this is enough cringe for one night

Have a good night Orc.

and I regret to inform you, youre not quite as effective at controlling narrative as you may think, when all you can do is come in with a "trust me bro" all the time

I don't really care how effective I am, Just that every time some inane falsehood is here, you have a team member saying "nope" will do. As I say you're free to think whatever you want.

Goodnight.

I speak as an NCR holder.
I think froox and his team are building a new platform and will eventually pull out of neos. While Karel has spoken so much about his personality, froox will of course do something and the strongest thing he has is coding.

On the positive side, if Neos' future is to be agreed upon, it will start with Karel's big apology to Froox.

The dev team is still working on updating Neos and adding features, they just aren't releasing any of those updates yet

In my opinion, the team working on features doesn't mean much, when none of it could come to light for a long time. Because it could just as easily all be discarded if things don't go their way.

Yeah the game stopped being community when the devs decide that updating wasn't going to be an option

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Go on Craig’s list

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hello everyone , new in the group but i hold some NCR for longer period now , sadly bought way to high🙈

i hope there will be some progress so NCR can benefit during the next bullrun of crypto

They don't want to give Karel any more code

Ah in that case froox owning the code is not true then

Basically nobody knows who owns the code

Why can't we just share the code

Like the olden times 1980s

That'd be one of the problems to find out, which part of the code is owned by which entity

Sharing the code would be a good way to part ways

Yeah

Soon

If it was the 1980s this would have instantly solved

Do I know you?

Likely

I like the times where people still shared

Then let's take this dialog out of this group

Where do we talk about it

There is no other Neos telegram tho 😔

In private

hello@neos.com

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the company

That is one interpretation unfortunately intellectual property law is very complicated.

Why are there only 130 people on Neos now

Bruh moment

Its always low on weekdays during worktime USA

can confirm. I may have a Steam Deck and can jump in now, but my Deck is currently afk grinding Elite for me right now

I’ve ruined my sleep schedule to where I’m neither Europe or USA time zone so I’m online when there is few sessions need to fix this

hump day

does that mean you're in Australian time

@LinkaIndustries

Feels like Froox isn't willing to negotiate at all though

I mean that's wrong but you believe what you'd like.

How is it then? What are the propositions from Froox side?

We as community know at least one, Karel is kicked out and he can operate NCR as 3rd party tool like anyone else on Neos

We aren't sharing any additional details on that front. Thanks!

Second we have heard from is that Froox demands ownership for all the code he has written so basically same as the first one

Then there isn't really any weight behind your words of how negotiations are going, seeing how skewed the optics are towards Karel from volunteer side. There might be just unacceptable demands offered which seem fair only to one side. This could apply to both sides, though.

And for some reason forking is out of the question because it takes time and effort, while Neos has done nothing but wasted time for +6 months

we haven't been wasting time, we're trying as hard as we can to resolve this.

I don't share details because that's what I've been advised to do. When we have something to say we'll say it.

Until then, there's no much I can do.

I wonder how much more advanced the current development version of Neos is, the one that isn't being released yet

RTX on edition?

Yeah @ProbablePrime at least tell us something about the hidden Neos code so we get something of hope that things will be fixed

Like is the ui fixed in it

I bet the devs are secretly playing that version every day that's why they don't appear online anymore whilst before they were always on Neos

Its secret group of people playing the secret hidden updated version

uh... maybe? However, they don't just use that version, if it exists, as I've run into various team members online, and I don't have any different of a version than what is offered on the website and steam.

Hmm it could be super secret like with seperate accounts and such

I seen on twitter messages about such a secret Neos existing

There is a lot of hidden secrecy going on 🤔

I dont know what you mean, I still see them regulary.

Stop creating conspiracy theories...

Lmfao we're just Makin stuff up now I see

Not a conspiracy when it's true 🤷‍♂

If you do research then you find out that there is a hidden secret updated version

What research have you done?

The whole reason for the not updating getting dragged on is because the secret hidden updated version will be released after the current code has been given to Karel it's to get a head start on the development

I talked to individuals that are in the inner circle

Ah yes the secret inner circle that you still have never talked about in detail

If the developers weren't apart of who you talked to then you're probably wasting your time.

Nah it's not like that you make it seem like a cult

What would the deep state ever want with Neos code... No it's simply just a group of people that is very closed off from everyone else in Neos

So this very closed group....talked to you?

No just one

Bruhhh

😔

One what, one person from that group?

Its important that people know what is going on

What did this one tell you?

Enough to know that a lot is been held secret

uhm... if it is being held secret... why is someone talking then?

Doesn't make sense

More people probably know

What did they tell you. Or is that a secret too?

^ Still this.

Welp, SteamOS 3.3.2 might fix an issue that made Neos not really work in docked mode, so about to see if we have a winner

(It also adds a thing that required me to buy a HDMI dummy plug and spend an hour flashing it to act like one of my TVs, but I digress)

YUP! 3.3.2 makes docked mode work perfectly with the mouse

I figured out the truth tbh

Haven't you wondered why there was no update for a whole year?

Because there's legal issues being sorted out?!

Nah

That's just about who owns the code

And it can be dragged on as long till one party agrees

You still havnt said what the 'inner circle' told you.

Probableprime knows about the hidden Neos updated version

You are talking like they said they weren't working, but they have said many times that they are not PUSHING updates

O.o

But the reason why is important

Because they are in a legal struggle

o.O

I said it before the reason is so when they agree to give Karel the current code their version is miles ahead

That makes no sense at all

From a legal or logical standpoint

You cant just say "Everyone needs to know about this information that everyone needs to know about". Its not helpful and you're making up rumors/conspiracies.

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Well it's why we aren't getting updates now

They can just do it where they give the code to Karel now and then their version will be equal to froox version and people then need to decide but when froox version is far ahead then people will go with the updated one

There haven't been any non-critical updates for over a year. This isn't just something that changed recently; it's been this way for a long while. I'm not sure why this has suddenly become something worth contesting

Because it's been a year

Dude if Karel is found to own the code they would not be able to use derivative code

They probably will go with a split

But in the case the code is actually split between both, then it'd be code based on the November 2021 version, which is almost a year old

Yeah

And froox will then release his version with all the updates that have been made in secret

it is not actually a secret. That's the one thing you got wrong

So basically current struggle is just stalling

Oh

hmm.... actually, no. I think at that point, it'd be based on the January release with the critical security patch.

Yes, I totally forgot about that one

It's stalling to get more time

They could just say right now that they split codebase and then over with time for updates but no

They are striking??? Essentially??? This is not unknown???

strike, are they actually employees?

Striking = not updating but they are secretly not striking

*sigh*

Geenz publicly has been making open source graphics that will likely get used with neos? Like whaa, secrets where?

I need more tea for this

sauce

Sauce!

I need to go back to sleep because clearly I'm in one of those dreams where I'm presented an impossible puzzle

Yes but why isn't the strategy of this reason said on the discord so people know what is really going on why there are no updates

Then atleast people will understand why there is no updates

That wouldn't change what they already posted in announcements

The reasons are still there

But it will give people hope that Neos isn't abandonware

Then people will see the strategy and know there will definitely be updated in the future

Now the vision of people is just endless nothing for the future of Neos

There is no agreement yet that it will be used for it. As we still in the state of negotiations about neos in the first place.
So they dont want to spread false hopes aswell.

what strategy? I mean, I don't know what kind of process you are thinking of with that.

Theyve already stated everything in announcements. Its not abandonware. Go read

Nah the strategy is stalling the negotiations till froox version is far ahead with updates then split the codebase from the January update point and then after the split update Neos with the hidden updated one and then it's far ahead from the one Karel gets

that.... that makes no sense at all

You keep saying hidden as though the dev team hasn't said they're working on it, just not pushing updates.

you are under the assumption that negotiations are stalled ONLY because of the versions not being separate enough, which doesn't make any sense at all. I think everyone can equally say they want things to progress, and the sooner that occurs, the better, so 'stalling' that makes no sense at all.
Say that right now, we get a new announcement. Karel and Froox went over and had a pizza party with the finest gormet cheese topping and form an agreement. Code split be happening, y'all! At that exact moment, the two versions of Neos now exist. In a month's time, even if both started from the same point with no benefits of pre-done work or whatever, the two won't really be equal to eachother or have features worked on identical to its counterpart. That's how FORKS kind of work!

so it doesn't matter if there is a secret 'saucy' version because in the end, if the split does happen, it will mean the two would be different eventually anyway.

so... if that's the end point at anytime... why would stalling negotiations be a thing?

also, these replies have been on my SteamDeck. Huzzah!

Yeah you got a point there 🤔

For a social game it is important who gets the users, in a case of a split the first few weeks are important who has the better support or version. Whichever of the forks works best on the split gets most of the users. So even if the other fork becomes much better, the inertia keeps users with the platform they chose. If you want to see an example of that, just look at what happened with VRChat. People are coming back, not because the other VR social games are better, but because the user base they are friends with just happens to be there

yup. Hell, you want an example case of forks of the same literal program, look at HiFi and it's kitchen of forks; no matter how many exist, only certain ones get certain groups of people, and most only have a baker's dozen online at their peak

That's the other side, that is one of the reasons there won't be any open source neos any time soon. Because of this fragmentation

sadly yes

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Alex, you're just sharing random information that doesn't make any sense and drawing conclusions from it. You're welcome to do that sure whatever. The entire neos team love on the moon now it has a different jurisdiction than the earth and that means the inner circle shadow cabal can have their way with neos and use it brain wash broccoli.

Or you could read our public statements and patiently wait for any further news. Is that hard yes very hard. But is it better than spreading rumors about some sort of crazy inner circle. Yes.

Again though strike is the wrong word. I have no job. Everyday I wake up and try to make neos better in so many ways that is my job. Or do we all just forget about the weekly amas hundreds of tutorials and frequent wiki updates.

Strike would mean I don't do anything

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Dev are you available?

Depends what you're after. Please ask good questions that are complete and then we can help you

admin wen moon 🚀 ?

@tizzers İt is so sad that you left neos.

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Does Neos got new staff openings now devs are leaving the platform?

only one has left?

Good luck on getting a clear answer to that 😅🤷

you mean open volenteer positions?

Neos staff position

Yellow nametag and such

Oh

It went up by some 0.00X digits

NCR NO BUYBACK NOW?

When people read the telegram messages you don't have to wonder.
Nothing positive is mentioned

Not in its current state. And probably still wouldn't if it got back to where it was before 31/10/2021. NCR would need a complete functional makeover for me to even start taking it seriously again. Which would include it being liquid backed, stable, and very easy to transfer between multiple money services. A pipe dream...

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WE NEED SOMETHING POSITIVE RIGHT

welp, hopefully something happens so I know if I need to set my storage size to be extra large for many years or not

Yeah like the Neos marketplace that was promised by the devs so you kan buy sell items there

But since people are leaving the volunteer team good sign that things will move forward

New volunteers and etc

They created this situation and are now leaving how ironic 🤣

only one person has left.... god, chill out

Nah multiple

okay? Who then?

Geenz

He did abandonment

Playing second life now

That counts as position abandonments

bruh, I'm from Second Life, and I still sign in from time to time. Doesn't mean I left the damn platform.

You aren't a dev

If that was the case, I abandoned my position in High Fidelity many years ago

It's like a vrchat dev playing Neos

dude, let me drop the biggest bomb on you, or better yet, make it double

Nah vrchat devs don't play Neos never had been

That is like working at both apple and Microsoft at the same time

1) Who the hell cares what people do in their off time? If that was the case, Phillip Rosedale was on Neos AND VRChat, and on the death of his own platform, he suggested people go to Neos. If the CEO of a god damn platform being on Neos is somehow him 'leaving' a platform, especially considering his position in Linden Lab (again), then SL must be doubly screwed.
2) They outright said on Twitter they weren't leaving the Neos team!

Well Neos is a social platform and their duty is to stay in Neos

They are dev there

BRUH! Get off your highhorse!

Going to another platform is abandonment

Wrong. Neos is a platform that has social abilities, and the dev team can do what they want.

No swearing

well, screwballs! I guess I'm leaving Telegram and Discord because I use Teams at work! Can't use anything else except one app. Alex said it here first, ladiest, gentlemen, and everything inbetween!

Tbh I sold all my bag a week ago, opportunity cost is too high right now.. being optimistic won't help recovering losses I guess

Are you dev at teams?

Geenz isn't just a user

He's staff position dev

Him playing another game is bad publicity for Neos

He openly said he's playing second life now

He didn't play it before when at Neos

No? I mean, I guess we're bringing console wars into the social platform space now, I'll grab the turtle beach headphones and practice my COD rage voice

Okay, stop right there

A funny thing that's sort of related, is that a majority of the team at Meta don't use horizon worlds because they hate it. And Meta is begging them to use it.

Yes exactly it's like that

Let me silence you fool! I can tell you they absolutely were on Second Life before Neos. How? I wrote the vendor system they used! That is how I knew Geenz, and MANY other people!

When the staff is going somewhere else it's bad

no it isn't. SO they can't play anythign else except Neos? Nothign at all?

It's not like playing a pvp game or another type of game no second life is a Neos compeditor so going there is betrayal

Neos is not like that, it's just sort of related to what ur saying. Dev team still play Neos.

Even Geenz uses Neos from time to time now

hell, they were on last night

Then there is no need to go to second life to socialize because he didn't go there before

*sigh*

man, you are an absolute juggernaut to my migraine medication

No i saw the tweet

Bruh what... That makes no sense. I'm going to stop here. You are making me dumber.

Don't mix with this plz

Geenz playing the competition as staff and dev is bad period

He even said it himself that this might look bad

Proof enough that he abandoned position

https://imgur.com/a/D9todTX

I'm.telling the truth

You simply can't be on 2 social platform at the sametime

Ah you call everyone a troll that you dont agree with

I been a Neos user longer than you

bruh, we have given you many arguments that you aren't even remotely right.

I played vrchat and Neos

You can't play and sustain both at the same time

That's it? Pathetic

It matters because then you see when things started going bad

And geenz doing this is yet another nail

"i don't agree so I call people that i don't agree with troll"

Grow up and look at the facts

or at least please read people's tweets better. Seriously, Geenz outright said they are still continuing work for Neos, which your original argument was they were leaving, which was false, to then sideways move it as 'being in two places at once is bad', which is also false

It was predicted that the staff team would go to other platforms and it came true

yeah... fair point.

Well the staff should stick to Neos and working on the game

I'm going to take a nap and see what more of a chaotic show has unfolded later, then I need to jump back into Neos and fiddle with some stuff.

It's not making up it was predicted that this would be the result of the strike first chroma left now geenz is doing this and geenz got Neos friends they probably move to second life too and then when will they play Neos? If friends are only online on a certain platform they will go where friends are

*sigh* Sure, whatever.

You don't see it as a big deal but this is the snowball effect

I seen this happen a lot

It takes one friend of a friend group to start playing another social game and then friends group follows or falls apart

I feel gross by saying this but... please stop with the FUD

This is not fud

it might as well be. We have explained to you how much what you said doesn't make any sense at all, and yet you twist even your own statements to work with your own narrative. I'd love to have the amount of ignorant bliss that you have, but I'd prefer to retain a certain amount of sanity so that I can continue to do my work.

Why aren't you on Neos i haven't seen you online since a long time?

I play it every day and want it to improve

I was on last night!

First the promised Neos store is what I want added

Heck, I even pointed out Geenz was on last night as well!

hell, they were on last night

I'm on Karels side when it comes to moving on

Yeah... but also no? I feel adding a market this early will just doom things even harder. Stability fixes and improvements to performance would be great so that a market can stand on a stronger foundation. If a happier medium was to be, a different take on content distribution would be nice, so that services like Gumroad can be paired with Neos via an API. That way, a person who pays for a product on such can log in and have the content already in their inventory, should the creator prepare it in advance.

Adding a market economy will give people more interest i see a great use for it now like the tweet from ghostz36 he is doing comissioms now for neosvr items

technically, nothing is stopping them from just asking for NCR in-game. Sold content, however, would still require a change in item distribution methods, and even then you still would need an entire branch of people to aid with market support. That's pretty much an entire second half to a system.

Ingame? Or external

I haven't seen that yet 🤔 link

I have a few items i made and want to sell on it

I understand you guys really want NEOS to be better and I really appreciate that but please be careful with your words, sometimes we don't really mean like that so please be very careful. There isn't really a straight FUD or maybe it is so I will end this only as a warning. Thank you very much.

I dont see anything wrong with someone being a dev of multiple platforms. I wouldn't say that sl is "the competition" either but like, you can work for multiple games, it isn't abandonment. Its your choice! He is not stopping work on Neos either.

People can have two jobs

People can also use other platforms and play other games, no one is locked down to only one thing.

For the majority of the time that I have been on the neos team I worked for Microsoft that owns altspace. It wasn't an issue.

Before Neos I worked on Mixer while streaming and being active in the twitch community. It wasn't an issue.

For the majority of the time that geenz has been on the neos team they have had other jobs too. They aren't leaving our team they are just working more than one job. It's kinda their thing. They work a lot.

You can absolutely be on multiple platforms at once and provided you have the time work for both. Geenz has that time so he's doing it. Lots of people do this.

It doesn't mean Devs are leaving and it doesn't mean that we are giving up. If you re read his Twitter thread you'll see this right from geenz themselves. It cannot be any clearer.

Now don't construe the following as any form of announcement I'm speaking generically, companies in this area working closer together to learn and grow should be a goal. It can lead to interoperability and a better overall industry.

We also don't have any open positions right now. If that changes there will be an announcement.

Ah alright thanks for the clarification i sometimes misinterpret things

Hi💜

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Илья привет ты умный английский?😉

Yes that's the rules

Ок😉

devs moonlight all the time.

its nbd guys

infact, I think a dev that moonlights is a dev worth hiring because he or she is in demand and knows her skills well enough to build in multiple companies.

Do rest of the volunteers already have second jobs?

Most of them don't some do

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Hopefully at some point we could have a dedicated dev team that can be fully supported by Neos

Resolution can't come soon enough

Not sure those are exactly mutually exclusive. Especially with this economy.

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People left?

no

Chroma left, that's all :)

It was a sad day for us all 😔

What happened?

You can read Chroma's twitter for that. Although essentially nothing, they left.

who is chroma?

they were part of the Neos team, you can read about that on the history of the Neos wiki's team page.

it is normal

people in people out

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They were one of the best Neos staff 😔

They will be missed

I was there when he first joined Neos

Neos

Hey Neos…

Are you alive?

I was busy inside Horizon Worlds

Yeah I know… no legs

But the truth is…

…I miss you Neos

But I don’t know if this relationship is working

Is not you…

…it’s me

😔

I want to believe

I mean... I'm in Neos right now, as are many others so...

don't worry. Just cope by believing they have this advanced unreleased version theyre working on in secret and we can pretend together that Neos is OK

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