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Not like there a whole lot of it. 😄

welp gotta fix perms cause these kids

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Ohh, hello

this meme has goddamn weekly installments what

can we ban this unfunny comic flooding the chat? thatd be super.

sure good point

Karel probably wanna change the group description too

Bye ho

rip lil man

rip uwu lever, we never got to see what it did

I believe this one is official

its the real deal

Dictated official by Karel

givw khosumi a chance

What'd they do?

yeah we know we got discord drama gremlins lurking here

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Lurking is welcome in here 😄

There is a new whitepaper: https://neos.com/whitepaper.pdf

Yeah there is

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I'm gonna leave my opinions out of here, that's all

For sure 1.06 with more details on staking.

But new website first.

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https://neos.com/whitepaper.pdf

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Excited to see the marketplace come to life!

Just curious, how goes the leger withdrawal processing?

The signature was removed shortly after we found about it. Not there currently.

Yeah I know.

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NCR is not a governance token. Whether you own 0 NCR or all 50m, you have no more a say in how Karel operates than anyone else

Neos Credits are still planned to be the main currency of Neos Metaverse. There will be a licensing system and Neos Store. I hope this is all just a temporary bump in the road and will do what I can to make these things happen. 😊

always evaluates to true unless NCR = NaN

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Mods not being part of toxic anticrypto community helps 👍

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The key rift in the "anticrypto" community is that there's a group of people who care about Neos as a platform to build and socialize on and a group of people who only care about the money they could make with NCR

To be "anticrypto" is to prioritize the success of Neos above the success of NCR

my money is on Andrea

she has experience in design

oh wait no the art specifically, idk

It's not one or the other. If Neos does well so does Neos Credits and the other way around. People making money in Neos is good for Neos. It's pretty simple.

Yeah art is nice in the whitepaper!

Integrating wallets into Neos is centralizing it by definition. All NCR inside Neos is centralized

How does the success of NCR aid in the success of Neos?

All NCR used inside of Neos is centralized.

Yeah Mirko Grisendi also known as Hurca! Amazing lineart, so glad to be working with him.
https://www.behance.net/hurca

That's the plan. Alongside with creators who will have a lot of rich customers and Community Awards.

Idk really. The goal is for Neos to succeed. Anyone can make a token like NCR. Neos itself is special, though. Once NCR is inside neos, there is no functional difference between it and, say, USDC, If Neos used USDC it would be much easier, there would be no swap fees which lower the barrier to entry/exit, and the value is held stable which instills faith in the economy

The only issue here is that using USDC with neos can only start generating profit when a marketplace exists so that transactions can be taxed

deflaton is good for holders, inflation is bad for holders

There is also the need for community mods to spread the knowledge of cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrency still needs to be spread in an organized way like Catholicism

Yeah kinda was. It adds a layer of gas and swap fees, if implemented in a marketplace would instill worry that the price could change drastically, and also be another confusing step to have to learn to deal with if you want to buy or sell

Having the token less volatile is certainly better. Thats part of why buybacks have a role.

The important part is that it is deflationary, while for example USDC isn't.

I think it would be pretty stable.

Do you want a currency used inside of neos to be a currency for speculation or for utility? Trying to have one that does both will do both poorly as we've seen

If you want a token with low volatility, USDC. Then, neos profits on a % of transaction from inside neos. I struggle to see the issue there

We've not seen Neos with Neos Store yet. I would say utility token and currency primarily.

Solirax doesnt have shares

So...a token like USDC?

The supply of ncr is too small to be suitable as a universal currency. We have studied that the universal currency needs such a supply of shib

I've heard this argument before. Nothing that holds worth is 100% stable. What we aim for is relatively how stable something is. And it turns out fiat like the usd or euro are infinitely more stable than any kind of non fiat backed cryptocurrency

Theres 50M with 14 decimal places that is a lot of divisibility and we can add more. The Whitepaper has subunit names as well.

What's the point of a limited supply if the goal is to have a utility token? What utility does limiting the supply provide?

Limiting the supply is something you'd do if you have speculation in mind. As you said karel, the neos market would benefit more from a utility token. Gotta pick one

Why are you insulting people

Why would you have to pick one. It can both be used as currency and rise in value over time.

a speculative currency doesn't just rise in value over time. If NCR isn't backed by anything than it can go all over the place, which we are seeing now

A universal currency needs to be between $0.0001-$0.001 to be the best micro-payment instrument.

Not sure I like the word speculative, that could be said of almost any monetary instrument. Neos Credits is backed by Neos Metaverse utility.

the point of a token for neos isn't to increase in value just like the point of a usd isnt to increase in value. Its a certain unit of value you can trade for other things. That's what the marketplace needs. If you want your money to increase in value, put it in a savings account

the worth of trust in NCR's connection to Neos isn't worth anything, Back it with something stable like established fiat

The point of USDC is to be a stablecoin that decreases in value together with USD. Ethereum is a better example of an token that both has an utility and rises in value over time.

A wallet full of USDC is an eWallet full of USD. If I have a bucket of cash on my desk it doesn't magically go up in value

The goal of currency isnt to automatically go up in value on its own, thats what investments are for

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the goal of a currency is to have as stable a value as possible

It could but goverments and banks are indirectly taxing holders by printing more.

which is why savings accounts exist

which is a tangent completely unrelated to this point

its the neos store, not the neos investment bank. it needs a currency that is stable just like popular fiat which is why i keep saying USDC. the point of the store is to trade something worth something for a product or service. That's it

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I agree, when we released NCR the info I got from dev is that LIC and Neos Store are just around the corner. I'm a patient person, but it's been a long time and we really need to see NCR have more utility then it has at this time.

by taking a % of all sales from the neos store

yeah

yo wtf

NCR was a patreon reward and froox said neos would be dead 2 years ago if not for NCR's funding, lol

honestly you should be removed instead

lol

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This is completely against Neos' spirit

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This is not true, I see him only spreading negative sentiment against NCR. We can have a discussion but civil.

ok ok masks off stop pretending all you lil creeps arent over in discord just using this place to get drama from

you lil fuckers lol

Hey that's against moderation guidelines, negative discussion about NCR is tolerated

Ok lets add him back.

maybe we're just tired of bad faith discussions

Fair point.

fine I like kodu i think

I thought he is FUDing but he might not have been.

Karel We feel that DAO is important for the governance of the metaverse, what do you think

Negative discussion about the token is tolerated. Your emotions are not grounds for bans.

Actually negative discussion about Neos Credits won't be tolerated in here. 😉

So you are against your moderation team

That's what Neos Discord is for.

you have a whole discord for shitting on the token. use it????

I just don’t get it. If you don’t like $ncr, sell and leave

A safe environment for the people that want to be constructive and positive about Neos Metaverse and Neos Credits.

That's dangerous

You are violating every guidelines set in place for an inclusive environment for discussion for *ALL* people, set by the Neos team

Why these ppl hate $NCR so much and stick to $NCR and goes where ever NCR has a new channel

based

Just sell and leave then.it’s not difficult

This channel is not becoming another anti NCR dump.

whats constructive because do you think I can ever convince you crypto is good and open and better for the metaverse? I didnt think so

so why we pretending to be "cpnstructive" here when ppl jus want to be adversarial

Go back to discord, you have plenty room there now

We won’t bother discord, so leave us alone here

Feedback has to be primarily constructive. If you see something that doesn't work feel free to come up with a solution to improve it. That would actually help. 😊

so could you EVER be swayed to think ncr is a good thing? or that karel should be allowed to conduct himself in his company without a coucil of 12 needing to sign off on everything he does?

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Kick they out of discord and introduce them here then

ok fair enough Im sorry.

sincerely

More of a shareholder thing than an employee thing but generally true.

I am too or atleast I hope ETH 2.0 will put an end to PoW

Great. Then vitalik Twitter could be your better place to rise up this very important issue maybe?

So Karel

Where do we go from here

Give us an idea

We have a new website coming next week, staking, possibly new videos and hires. The future of Neos is good.

Can we know more about these hires

can fire dev team

They seem to have fired themselves.

Karel has plenty money for a new tea,

Who will probably be better lol

These guys have been very slow

i know a red turtle vore fetishist who can code 3 times faster than froox. He will be the new neos lead dev going forward

Yep

And staking to be expected his month?

Frooxius got a preview about a month ago. Zero feedback so far just as expected.

As long as the new dev team do better than Sandbox, $NCR never die

That's all good - but control, or at least usage, of the code and in-game development is paramount above everything else. If Froox can just lock you out of Neos and treat you like a third party with no input into platform itself, then all else is for naught

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This doesn't have to do much with me personally. This is the relationship of Frooxius vs Solirax Ltd.

Who is the owner of Neos Metaverse.

Actually I’m very optimistic. It’s better earlier than latter we go part ways with those toxic f*y community

Censoring myself what to blame

dont hate on a group

unless its funny

j/k dont do it

Anime robot community are happy to join

I like furries as much as any other internet subculture and theyre not all nasty assholes like over on discord

Solirax is just a legal entity - who is acting on its behalf at the moment if not you? How does the third minority shareholder play into all of this? Is Rothenberg even an active fund at this point? Have they been involved in communications recently; are they even aware of the current dispute?

Yes..

That's why I said primarily. A little negative feedback is ok. Most people in the group fudding is not.

stop pretending to not be over in discord mocking teh chat like damn

making shit hard for him to mod

I thought here is only a positive echo chamber that some people don’t like

Then just leave us alone

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People want a space to discuss the future of NCR given recent events, without rehashing all of the same arguments about how crypto is bad/NCR should be out of Neos, etc. Doesn't necessarily mean it is an echo chamber. This isn't hard to understand.... there is a time for debate, and a time for more coordinated discussion.

It depends. When discord became an echo chamber. Then maybe we need one too

Spot on

Yeah when it was created we really needed the money not to go bankrupt and the plan was for devs to shortly bring utility to it by launching the Neos Store.

If we had Neos Store all this wouldn't be happening for sure.

I'm starting to doubt that there was even a true intention to make it happen.

ncr needs to work on getting support from the ethereum community, the cryptocurrency community, I have some old engineers around me who have $300 million in btc, just because they are afraid of the web2 team and don't come to support ncr

If we had Neos Store and a lot of users we most likely wouldn't have to change tokenomics.

Kal is a well known fudster.

I would like to clarify something, because in the original PDF with tomas' signature, the metadata shows me it was created on the 3rd of march, and his announcement came out yesterday, the 4th, which lines up with this

There are digital signatures..... But they have a digital thumbprint

What.....is this chat

I only just joined, but it feels creepy

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orc was a user from old tg group

I do want to clarify that digital signatures are a real thing. I sign all my work related documents with a certificate and an image of my signature (the certificate proves it is me)

I would really like a clarification on this

DocuSign has some kind of a process for signing and generates a certificate. The Whitepaper was just someone typing in Tomases name by mistake. That is very different. :D

Yeah I don't think that is required.

A factor was that it was released in quite a hurry to prevent liquidity failing.

It was fixed right after so I don't really see why it is still a problem guys.

Yes Frooxius did a hateful public statement - not the first one - tanking NCR instead of asking me in private to remove the signature like a sane person.

The signature was removed end of story peeps jeez

If he absolutely made it clear he did not concent, I'd say it's quite concerning.

Why you gonna harp on about it lol

Yeah whatever it was, the important thing is it's gon now.

I agree to this

You think his statement was positive helpful to increase NCR value which was already very low?

But you were about to publish a document with his signature on it without consent

How can be that winston can insult people and still be in here while others are kicked and banned when they just joined?

yeah a sane person would ask privately for us to fix the mistake before nuking Neos publicly

Can you stop wishing ill on other people

Yeah seems Froox has no care for all those who lost a lot of money

This comment is absolutely innaceptable

Um.... I see people I know getting nuked and assholes being allowed to stay. This is less an NCR chat and more a Praise Karel and don't be against him. So any debating thoughts tend to get kicked

I'm sorry

I just joined.... And Karel lost my trust

Goodbye

Winston your an ass

Frooxius is a very smart person and is manipulating public sentiment. Not giving me any feedback on anything and then criticizing things publicly is one of the favorite tools.

Also asking me not to say anything so I get criticized both if I say something and if I don't.

I am, just explaining to Gunnar the situation.

Personally, (hindsight 20/20, yes yes, but just for future reference) I would have personally liked if, for example the office hour thing, you would have said in the announcement channel "After reconsideration, I will not be hosting an office hour, sorry for the inconvenience"

And I would have fully understood

I did say that I have been asked not to do it.

but not in the announcements channel

we have to search for it, that's our issue

And chose not to do it to help negotiations and relations.

The Discord vote was the moment for me where you began to look wierd and untrustfull. Sadly your actions keept looking it more and more wrong and worrying instead of explaing stuff.

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It's true, I'm not ragging on you for it, I'm just laying out what we as a community like when announcements go out from any party

So what are you waiting for? Be tough, give him some blow, the CTO and the team deserve to be punished

haha NCR channel was not public? It is something that regards NCR. The people that are interested in NCR are there.

No no, karel, that's not what I'm saying

Or were I should say.

I know the NCR channel is publicly available to see

What I mean is that an important communication in the announcements channel is preferred

I was not trying to get everyones opinion. Just the people that happen to see it.

Can this be removed? constantly wishing harm upon others is inexcusable

Yeah he needs to chill out

NCR Channel =/= Announcement channel.
For Big actions like you did the vote, that should have been used. (But I think thats been said already several times)

I am curious, you said that it wouldn't be used to make a decision, and then immediately made a decision based off it back when it happened. why bother saying it was just to see opinions and not to make a decision if that was not the plan?

I did not act on the polls. I acted as I though is right. Do you think cutting the ICO short and moving funds to staking is not a good idea?

You're threatening to shoot someone

It is clearly a great course of action.

I am seriously going to start questioning integrity if death threats aren't dealt with

I could understand you got hurt from discord just like some of us. But chill a bit

Yeah because it's a good and logical thing to do. If you made a poll whether you should open an umbrella when it rains people would probably agree as well.😄

The poll thing is over.

Negotiations have clearly reached a dead end at this point. Unfortunately it seems this will all need to be resolved in court.

The Memorandum has that aspect. It is somewhat disadvantageous to me as Froox will just encourage other devs to fud, but it would be still better than this I think.

Karel Will you do anything about the death threats being thrown around?

Both sides have stated completely opposite positions with regards to ownership of code for example. Ambiguity on this isn't something that can continue.

Remove winston

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Remove winston.

Winston crossed the line, I would support kicking him. Also a huge distraction to actual discussion at this point

We still don't have staking or even a date when it will start. That will be an announcement. The Whitepaper 1.05 announced allocation of funds.

Karel, stop this discussion and remove winston

Not sure what law requires us to announce our plans.

Remove winston

You are sending death threats, it is not censorship

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Karel, remove winston

I will call the police

Karel Remove winston

This will go public

Please post a reply to something bad he said.

Did you miss the screenshots of him threatening to shoot froox?

This is some private chat don't post that in here please.

oh my god

Just chill @WinstonBoo

Karel I am sorry but what

Karel this is reflecting very poorly on you... be a CEO and take decisive action on what should be clear right thing to do

Karel if you fail at removing winston this situation will go public

can send frooxius in prison

I actually agree that in some countries he would be in danger. He lost a lot of people a lot of money.

If you want people to take you seriously Karel you need to take other people seriously. It does not look good to just ignore that someone is threatening to kill your "opponent"

Winston is definitely not right here, but why people have so much anger

You leave me no choice, I am making this matter public

Karel, you lost a lot of people a lot of money.

Please reply to a comment Windston was threating to kill someone.

So just go to private chat or block him

That doesnt seem like something from this group.

Karel you of all people should understand that "off platform" actions still matter

I didn't delete any of Winston messages

It’s private chat

Maybe he did?

Hard to say, didn't see them.

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I agree, karel causing everyone who put money into ncr to lose all their savings is much worse.

However it is their fault for trusting ncr to gain a ton of value, I have been saying forever that things that go up quickly go down quickly

If he is a NCR holder I get his anger, frankly I'm angry as well my company is the biggest NCR holder of them all.

I have to restart my phone to apply an update, I shall return.

Death threats are inexcusable

Your morals are being questioned

I have seen no death threat in this group by Winston.

Thats a private thing sorry.

Your furries are unbelievable

And could be photoshopped as well as far as I know.

Yes, by mishandling ncr quite a lot during November/December/January

Believe it or not I do like ncr. And I do want neos to succeed with an in game economy

so just block Winston if he send something to you privately

And what do we deserve exactly? Harassment? That's ok because you have a grudge against a section of the community?

Really? I leave discord long time ago. And they think they are civil

I have exported this chat, and is going public.

Oh fun

That’s a private msg why put it here

We are not police

making memes is different from wishing death

Block him for god sake

Is there a way to go see the original message if you click it or something?

Or report it on tg

Again I'm not private message police, theres a blocking feature on here.

Nobody I know has done such a horrible thing

Then again it’s private msg. Report him in your private chat.

I thought discord has a ton of police

And you guys would love their

Froox's announcement was not unprovoked

it's kind of a felony

little illegal

just a bit

Yes people will be pissed if you dump the token they hold a lot of. Very natural. Some animosity is expected and it is to extend very understandable. If there is a threat in this group (not DM) me and other mods will delete it and ban the user.

Can you guys just get out of here? We're angry. We need a place to heal.

I recommend a place: discord

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And you don't think there's anything wrong with someone putting so much of their money on the line that they would put themself at that risk? Risky actions can have bad consequences.

Karel

Welcome Lucaedr nice to have you.

Ok discord has police and definitely safe for you guys.

Damn...

Discord, tg unofficial group. You name it, we were be kicking out of there. And now we just wish to have a place to cheer up a little bit.

Now that the gloves are completely off, could you Karel just tell us what exactly happened that led to froox being so pissed at you?

And how waaay worse messages are being defended....

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That is a question for Froox but I think it is not being 100 percent in control. He seems not to be able of a compromise or anyone else having a different opinion. That's just my two cents, would hope it's the wrong assesment.

Really shows a lot of people's true colors. A lot of caring only about money and crypto, none about community,and when the profit they feel they were entitled to isn't realized they lash out and say horrible things to anyone criticizing the crypto (or even any aspect of the project they like)

Karel- someone I know has been following ncr on discord and would like to be added here but they did not have telegram so their account will be new

Just making sure they won't get banned for having a new account

Surely something specific happened that led to him to decide to stop updates?

There are a bunch account just made today in here

Caring about crypto is caring about community, all Patrons got NCR.

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Not mutually exlusive.

He was not forced to do anything, could have left any time. He was working with me because it was very comfortable advantageos for him.

So, instead of battling over total control over courts, could the project be forked to two?

I dont understand. Why not give NCR a chance. Make it part of ingame enviroment and give people a chance to make a living doing what they love. Everyone will thrive.

That would definitely be the preferred way.

No NCR is staying NCR.

Oh yeah all his friends are telling him he's right all the time. That has an effect on a person over time.

Totally

Part of the job

What was the main reason he left living with you? Was it a disagreement with development or something personal that happened between you two?

My firing Nexulan I think.

froox is an 30yo adult men. Right?

We've argued about Nexulan for years he always had his way, but the things I have seen Nex do were just too much.

Not sure about three months ago.

I apologize if I'm prying too much. But what sort of stuff?

Not sure Chroma who is working on it stopped communicating with my team.

We're looking into starting a separate effort.

It must be like a cult for those group of ppl. Pissed at firing a man and then he put the anger on the whole NCR community

I still hold. Please dont abondon NCR😂

I mean, his name is still yellow everywhere official

What I meant was, what did Nex do that was troublesome?

Froox’s action speaks for himself

Nex was very rude towards me, treated me as an illegitimate CEO, sabotaged the trailer so his video remains the first one on Steam, he was also rude at Froox and Chroma didn't enjoy working with him at all.

I've heard they were doing sex stuff publicly by multiple people.

In private after dark sessions, yes. but according to your own policy, in private shouldn't matter

He was blackmailing me hard at around the time Neos launched on Steam and we had almost zero money for a pay.

How was he blackmailing you?

Called me unproffesional when I didn't want to give him a raise.

Karel I think unprofessional is how many would describe you currently, I'm sorry but it's true.

He was telling me that Neos will fail if I don't pay him or pay him more not sure now.

That public opinion will be bad.

What a freak.

Threat indeed

I don’t think that is the technical criminal definition of blackmail. How were they being paid?

It’s a cult thing.

Its hard working with neckbeards

Sure there are many people who put a lot of work into making me look bad with the hope it will demotivate me and I will let Frooxius zuckerberg me.

Although at the time people were not being specific about who was doing it, I heard "staff" where not making sure the room was cleared of minors and continued. Again, that's is assuming they were talking about the same incidents. Take this point with a grain of salt.

Dont give up

Karel calling someone a freak because they engage in sexual activity in private and want a raise because they feel the work they do is important to the platform does not make them a freak...

In public although I was more regarding what he said towards me.

Depends on the AD servers. They are unofficial communities, and it's not on the neos team to moderate their members. I avoid interacting with AD communities on any platform because their moderation is near always very bad. It's not fair to criticize nex for the group's failure to moderate itself.

Good night guys, it's getting late over here. See you later.

Blackmail as far as I am aware usually means they are saying "Do this specific thing or I will purposefully harm the project". Are you using the right word for what he was doing?

Touching without permission was a behavior by those f**y in neos and when I mentioned it up they told me vrchat has similar issue. See their whataboutism

Yeah the threat was that he will sway the public opinion of Neos. Make it look bad. Same tools that are being used now to make me look bad.

Damn, that is important context to some discussions being thrown around. Thank you very much for being willing to answer questions.

That’s not blackmail.

You need to go read law on blackmail. It’s not blackmail the way Karel just laid it out. So to say it is without it really being is then liable and Karel should be careful.

There is a criminal definition or blackmail and colloquial usage. Latter can still be a valid fireable offense in employment context, especially against a CEO

Why are you so d salty? I thought this was just a discussion?

I’ve read this whole thread and you just seem super angry and salty to the point of just wanting to b righty and not have a real discussion?

I don’t know. Ppl just like to cherry pick karel’s words and make it a great deal from it. Maybe someone has ptsd

I’m not a lawyer and neither Are you or Karel so why are you allowed to say he is being blackmailed and I’m not allowed to state the opposite?

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I’ve been a CEO multiple times. And tough things happen. Who is on the board of the company?

So if Karel is the CEO who is his boss? Usually it’s the board?

Im just trying to understand why a cool platform is in trouble.

Angle vc has 15% share of the company

In a closely held Corp there typically isn't another boss to answer to because executives are also the shareholders

I only bring up my qualification so you can see why I’m asking about corporate and company structure

So noes is a product of a privately held company that 15% of is owned by a VC? Who is the other ownership?

42% karel and 42% froox

Is that the voting share breakdown also ? 15% VC 42%Kaerl and 42%froox?

Or is the voting shares done differently?

Probably

Ownership of product and entitlement to profits is different from copyright of the code which is what matters here

Right.

Usually code ownership is taken care of in employment contracts. So we can’t really know much until we can see the contracts that we’re out in place.

Ya without seeing contracts we are in dark

To answer ur question tho, yes it seems split vote is owned by VC in 15% of shares

I love the platform and I’m a crypto guy. I’d love to see both survive this. But the platform is the product not NCR. NCR derives it’s value from the platform, it’s growth, and it’s Utility in the platform. I hope they can figure out how to make both go.

But Rothenberg got in legal trouble years ago... not clear whether it is still existing entity or what happened to those shares

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Yea, the only viable future of NCR it seems is if Karel has some legal rights to Neos platform itself. Which he claims to have under Solirax. We shall see.

Could be years before that is decided unless there is quicker settlement.

Surely he will have some rights as owner shareholder

Yeah. And by then another platform will win and we all loose :(

In meantime, I am out and not reinvesting anytime soon. Kinda just sticking around for the drama and to see how this story ends.

I would say it be best if they can resolve it themselves but seems not likely

I’d offer to sit down with both and mediate if they want!

Indeed. Unfortunately Froox and his team do not seem to share that urgency.

I would live to help them figure it out. There is always a middle ground.

NCR is still a small pool so its better the whole drama happen earlier if it doomed to happen.

Both parties dug in, neither seems likely to accept buyout. We are headed to litigation it seems

To build a platform like neos takes time. So I don’t worry about other platform catching up very quickly

Man I wish I could help mediate this. They had such a head start on the market in my mind. I’m 50, an experienced tech CEO and turn around guy that plays NEOS with my son AND have been around the crypto space since 2010 lol. I can see how it can all work together to do what all parties want!

Sand/mana has nothing but token and community.

Well I’m old enough to never believe it’s all one persons fault. I’m sure both sides have issues and I’m also sure that a middle ground can be found.

I’d go there and sit down with them in a room, listen to both sides, come back to them with solutions that meet their issues.

Very small pool

tbh, after seeing what f**y did, I don’t think it’s easier to get a middle ground with them. I’m not saying karel is 100% perfect.

The fact is that they both have things they would like solved. So Simone need to help them get to a mutually agreed on solution. They don’t even need to like each other once it’s done.

Time for mediation long past imo. The way I see it, the team never really respected Karel and only begrudgingly tolerated him and NCR over the years to handle all the administrative and financing issues that Froox and them didn't want to deal with. But with recent surge in value of NCR, no longer possible to ignore, leading to this issue. Which really is about the heart and soul of the platform. Hard to see a middle ground being reached on that.

I’m sure neither side is innocent. That’s never the case

I’ve learned it’s never to late to get two people to the table. Things can often be solved by having a cool collected mind in the middle. If they do Des cider I go legal route that will take time and would most likely disrupt the platform and NCR even more.

Let me be frank. Froox and dev are happy to be funded and it’s their niche f**y world now so better other ppl get out. That’s the only ground they wished to get to.

None

Can you back that up with facts? Like link to stuff that backs that up?

Nothing really on the platform side.

Mediation/negotiation can still happen in the future, but not at this time imo. Both sides believe they hold all the cards and are therefore uncompromising. Both need to get beat up a little bit by lawyers to bring them back to negotiating table.

If you have seen what the dev team has do to cryptobros in discord since froox’s first announcement. You’ll have the whole pic. So as Prozac mentioned, mediation window has closed now I think.

I’m on the discord and have been following the NCR channel and I’ve see bad behaviour equally from both sides.

The challenge with NCR being on its own is that it now has to stand on its own as a currency it doesn’t have the platform and the marketplace in the platform to drive its value. Not to say it couldn’t happen as its own stand currency in other places as well just makes it very hard for it to build in such a competitive environment whereas being part of neos it had an advantage of being the only currency built into the game which would give it the value it needs to grow on the marketplace to then be useful other places. Sorry for the long text using voice to text while driving

It’s kind of the latter half. Right after the announcement was out, the mods in discord literally kicked all cryptobros out. And that’s when the fire lit and continues. Jack has proved that

The primary value to NCR is that it would be the default in-game currency of choice with advantages for native token over other alternatives like USDC or Paypal. Without the first party support, NCR just becomes like any other cryptocurrency, of which there are thousands... It's basically a soft way of saying fuck off to NCR and doesn't fool anyone for a second, hence why everyone has dumped their coins in the last day

Yeah I hear you it’s just challenging in this situation watching it kind of gets beat up as a platform for all the people who have invested their time in playing the game which is what gives it its value. That means it’s going to go through a value drop while they sort their stuff out and they’re probably lose users etc. etc. just a shame for something that’s really so cool and ahead of its time.

@alsmith42

The biggest thing I hate is the split in the community tho.
People were angry at Karel, but projected that towards the cryptobros. And that was honestly pretty disgusting to watch.

Yeah, i agree. This truly is worst case scenario for everyone.

But then the crypto Bros did the same thing in being upset with froox and Their supporters and spewed lots of hatred towards them as well. That’s what I mean it was on both sides

You seem pretty reasonable Prozac I hope I see you around more.

Surely Karel can have a say in whether it’s adopted as first party or third party too

I’m not defending cyptobros. But the fire was lit by one party first. And it seems even as today it’s still on. That’s the reason why karel create this new tg group

Thx, you too. I've been around for months (unfortunately...)

He does have joint share

Maybe they’ll come up with a good compromise

Who knows where to land it’s all in the hands of people and organizations that we have no understanding of because we can’t see all the legal documents. So we basically have to sit and wait no matter what anyone says none of it is provable at this point for us

I don’t know who started it I don’t think that’s obvious in the threads I think it was just building overtime. And I think both sides are going a little crazy. The truth lies in the middle and reason will get to the truth it’ll just take some time.

Yeah it is true however not just going to take Froox comments for what they are, clearly they’re being malicious towards each other and may be saying things out of spite and not what they can actually legally do

I do have some hope for this project yet

If I’ve learned anything over the years as people fight they get more entrenched because they believe what they’re saying to be true even though sometimes it’s not always true it’s hard as humans to be honest with ourselves but once we are we can get to the bottom of things fairly quickly because we’re very logical species.

Karel owns a large part of the supply through buybacks and we are effectively a tiny micro cap taken now at just over 10M MC

Yes I agree and hence I have hope

I have the same wishful thinking but after 2weeks of this shit, I think f**y has very firmly showed what their ground is. We shall respect that

I know he has 8million in one wallet

I’m sure internally this has been going on for longer than two weeks! I’ve also learned through all kinds of negotiations that even a hard line in the sand is just a tactic. If they truly both care about the future of the platform they will be brought together by reason if they can sit down with someone reasonable.

Not sure the total amount he has

But our total supply right now is only 40mil

So he has roughly 20% atleast likely closer to 25% or something

Yes rest for staking

Atleast some utility there too lol for now

If I’ve learned anything after almost a decade In crypto these early things are always up-and-down like this. It takes years for something to smooth out and a lot of things have to go right

For 2 weeks I meant the days f**y shows their ground. At the beginning of the drama, people just don’t understand them

Overall even if this is now considered shitcoin at 10m market cap there are still many positives lol even for a shitcoin

OK that’s what you meant by two weeks gotcha sorry for misinterpretation

Gotta be brave in these times to hold on to stuff like this, but it can pay off big.

50 is a bit harsh under like 15 lol

Not taking into account Karel token this is 9m cap

I hear you but I’ve never looked at my crypto portfolio as an actual investment portfolio in the long run this is the most risky part of my portfolio so this kind of stuff is normal just like investing in companies you can lose your whole amount very quickly and easily in risky companies all of crypto is just a risky asset class at this point anyway. So you kind of just have to buy and hold it hope something goes right.

Huge potential for 9m cap there is opportunity here IMO

Yeah crypto as a whole is big risk these days nvm stuff like this lol

Agreed

So just accept them, respect and don’t dream about persuading them any more. They just want a quiet place without cypto and that’s nothing wrong actually. Separation is what I’m looking forward to.

I started mining bitcoin in 2010 you should’ve seen what that was like then holy crazy

They need some professional framework regardless that much is clear

I think separation would be
The worst for both the platform could use NCR and NCR needs the platform

I bought some yeah

I’m pretty sure if they would sit down with me I could help them get to a place it was mutually beneficial for everyone it’s kind of my specialty lol