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Karel should stand up and tell everyone about the current situation.

Rofl so true

Karel

Current situation is this stupid feud is likely to outlast Ukraine war.

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Deleted it but I bet someone screenshot’d it already

Karel where r u?

If Karel is kicked out and NCR removed, does neos plan to compensate their customers in any way? Regardless of how the team is fracturing, Neos sold a token marketed as an in game currency. It would be like selling robux and then saying just kidding, we don't accept that any more.

if ncr removed, no compensate

they claim it wasnt investment whatever..

but "they" dont matter :)
Froox hasnt said anything like that

This has nothing to do with investment. I purchases an in game currency. If they do not plan to support it then isn't that theft?

They will argue that crypto is a scam and it is all Karel's faut

exactly :)

its not their fault that ncr is removed. furries have magic master key to blame Karel

anyways... Frooxius never said such words so...

just some furries doing furries

I feel bad for the MCC winners, even tho they are not after money, the cash prize divided by 10 since the first day of the content

mmc

some ncr holders donated theirs, and... what they said to the donators was really creepy..

not human

That's unlucky for those who put faith and money into neos throughout NCR. They are not even considered investors by 90% of the team

I think that's what disturbs me the most about the situation. Regardless of ones thoughts or beliefs about crypto, the celebration of the token holders losing almost half a billion dollars in collective value is nothing short of sociopathic behavior and speaks volumes about the type of people they are. A lot of people believed in Neos, saw a huge opportunity for growth, and wanted to back those creating it. In the normal world of finance that is seen as a good thing, but in bizarro furry world the investors are seen as the enemy and that mentality will keep it from ever fully reaching its potential without a finance person like Karel steering the ship.

You are speaking facts but sadly you are speaking to a wall

For some reason facts and financial analysis doesn’t doesn’t seem to make much sense to them and I really don’t understand how do furries see the project moving forward with minimal funding, Patreon is no where near being able to support the kind of growth Neos is shooting for and that is just a fact.

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Several months ago I made a post on Twitter suggesting ways furries can optimize the workflow for building their costumes in real life in order to make them more accessible price-wise, allowing more people to participate in that part of their fandom. My post was was blasted by a barrage of negativity calling me a fascist, capitalist, and all manner of rude names. It made me realize that furries don't want accessibility and growth - they want an insulated echo chamber that is heavily gatekept, and they want to weaponize victimization to manipulate people into falling in line with their groupthink. It's all incredibly toxic and it really turned me off from the whole thing.

Welcome to the club, I hinted at the fact that a CEO should be objective and firm with his decisions and got called a #### capitalist and “one of those huh”

I really thought Neos is a place where everyone can find their crowd and have fun with them but the gatekeeping and gang mentality drove me off completely, perhaps one day in the future things are going to be calmer and open to different groups

I take no part in any group but just enjoy talking to different people, I stumbled upon a group of furries and devs that were lovely and had a good time but other than that one encounter it was all repelling

I absolutely agree. The diversity of the cultures that emerge in the metaverse is part of what makes it so incredibly special. It tears down physical borders and levels the playing field so everybody has an opportunity to participate regardless of ones location or socioeconomic status. That diversity is what we should strive for as humans and to push back against that is tragic.

You seem well versed from start-ups standpoint, whats your background on it?

I've been involved in the Metaverse development circles since the early 2000s going back to Activeworlds and Second Life. In 2013 I fostered a virtual world startup similar to Neos sans the VR component. ICOs weren't really commonplace at the time and funding was a little more difficult to secure for that sector of the industry so we never went beyond series A capital. Platforms like Neos are near and dear to my heart because I know how much potential platforms like these have and how they can positively affect peoples lives.

But I also am familiar with the complexities of building a company like Solirax and how capital is critical for materializing bold visions like Neos. Sweat equity can only go so far until the company needs to scale.

Interesting, how did you manage to be part of second life so early? I’m having trouble finding projects with actual potential, especially now as any project with the word “meta” gains hype even if it is a scam.

I was involved in higher education and at the time there was a big push to bring the classroom into virtual worlds for distance learning. I was also a big fan of Neal Stephenson's novels and MMO/MUDs from the 90s. Second Life was an organic, living-breathing virtual world a'la Snow Crash and it was the perfect canvas for creating interest groups and connecting people from around the world.

Neos has an opportunity to be that and so much more if we can get back on track.

A thriving Neos means a thriving economy of virtual goods, which means a strong NCR.

200 % agreed, but it seems that the current vision of the dev team is to keep neos as an echo chamber. I don't see why they would support nor want any kind of growth since the majority is okay with the small niche 😑

I’m genuinely concerned that Neos might end up that way but I have faith that things are going to be just fine, I do look forward to what Neos could become when it has a more mainstream appeal and we get creators of all backgrounds

Imagine a city like the one in Altered Carbon, it has always been something to imagine but for it to actually exist in Neos, that would be crazy

Or Los Angeles the way its depicted in snow crash

NCR is the future

I think it might 😅

I feel that a lot of this conflict will come down to legal interpretation and how tethered NCR / Neos are in the foundational paperwork and articles of incorporation. What we do know is that Froox agreed to the creation and continued promotion of NCR up until late 2021, and that will be taken into account if this does end up in front of a judge. Despite how much the furry developers want to un-ring that bell, that may not end up being the reality of the situation.

We need screenwriters. This situation is perfect for a movie. With the proceeds of the movie (and potentially a soap opera), team + furries + ncr holders + tg members get royalities and everyone is happy.... Joking aside, hope they find a way forward

And Karel please stop the buy backs. You have approx 20% of the circulation of the token. That is more than enough. Even if everthing works out, new investors will not that feel confortable with such a big "amount" held in the team's wallet and will create noise for you to lock it (vesting) or burn it.

Theres nothing bad about locking some of our funds for a period of time. Development of a metaverse is a very oong term endeavour. More of a marathon than a sprint. Increasing the trust in our token by doing buybacks leads to more funding down the road. The money we are doing the buybacks with were sent by NCR holders and so we are obliged to help them given our long term mutli year ICO.

Our problems unfortunately stem elsewhere.

But I’m confident those will get resolved.

How long will it take to resolve this?

Hard to say at this time

Understood. I do think that those that are still holding NCR (like me) understand where we stand. My humble opinion is that (more) buybacks can lead to misinterpretation. Wish you all the best addressing the issues

In order to start a project like this you have to be a very optimistic person to begin with so weeks to months tops is what I would hope for.

You got this, we are here to support

Will the new website be updated in March?

warren bufett always does buybacks. most of Nasdaq top companies do buyback to return investors. It especially happens when the c-level thinks its too underrated

Yeah I’m sure any action can be taken and misrepresented if a group really wants to make someone look bad. I’m sure even me breathing could be seen as problematic.

Our ICO is very long term and unique creating a huge upward wall.

but it is also true that the money can be spent on developing/marketing etc.
Hope to see that going on soon.

Buybacks are balancing that out. Part of our tokenonics made for devs to be under less pressure because of its long term nature with no hard timeframes/deadlines.

Nothing would be good enough unfortunately. I really tried.

metaverse is hype again

hope neos will catch the ride

So what are we looking at in the future?

my life saving

Not really no point in marketing a product with bad UX. Waste of funds. We need a competent dev team first.

Karel I feel bad for you, knowing that your entire team is plotting against you, but keep in mind that you have many supporters here

I didn’t fire the dev team.

keep it up Karel :)
After all, history remembers one who succeeds.

I was increasing payments to the devs actually.

great karel

so solution is made?

hope to see the competent dev team! cant wait to see

The problem was that I wanted a roadmap in return and that didn’t go with the “we do things whenever wherever for fun” ethos

Thats ok for volunteers but not well paid employees with beefy options

I see buybacks as a positive signal. It means that Karel has more faith in the long-term valuation of NCR than continuing to hold ETH.

the dev team confirmed this.. which just makes them dev. Never interested in scale-up, making progress. I really cant understand why they act as like c-level/owner of neos.

I am calling for bringing on a UX expert for years, it’s been vetoed over and over again

We have plenty funding and will have even more once things get fixed. No way around that.

send it

Yes they want to keep it their feel good hobby not a real company and product thats why they are attacking ncr and everything related

why Frooxius is against this? If he's not against this, please hire ux expert ASAP..

Because that would mean the UX expert could have a different opinion than him.

Total control.

Very much against it for years literally.

they can have a fork version or anything

Because those are his friends who don’t oppose his opinions.

The devs were also incredibly resistant to the idea of bringing on external web developers to help focus on marketing even though that falls outside of the scope of their involvement as platform developers. It's absolutely a control thing.

act like kids

not good business partner

Well, if Frooxius hires who he wants like the volunteer friends... wouldnt that be enough control for him??

Yeah external people are the devil to them no matter how good and helpful they might be.

devs are such selfish

Not part of the club whatever that actually is don’t want to know.

I wonder what nuance Frooxius is saying about.
I dont care about the volunteers. They have no power but only making situation worse, saying shits behind Froox.

Is Frooxius more willing to compromise ?? I see 0 compromise from dev team cus they chat a lot in discord.

if not they can just go away

Ok karel

Frooxius cant go away. His will is most important here

no

Why is that

he is a selfish kid

he only can play his game in his room

he will ruin neos

Will definitely try to. His way or the highway. That’s how he is.

can u answer this Karel?? Froox is too quiet, have no clue at all.
Just wanna know how willing he is nowadays

Will the new website be updated in March?

if he's same stance with his friends, I see much more longer negotiation needed.

Not outside of a lawsuit I think.

it is sad for all the ncr holder

Yes we are on schedule. Could be a small slip but so far March.

It is, I wish I could do more for them

We know ur doing ur best :)
Just keep it up and we'll just wait enough

Thank you for reposting to Discord as long as anything isn’t mistepreseted I find that useful.

While some furries might hate all “capitalists” we don’t hate all furries.

We are not them! We are not them. 😄

Yeah would be nice for all people to be civil.

yeah lets be civil.

Losing a lot of money because of a group of people makes people less civil.

Somewhat understandable

community having opinion is just fine,

but volunteers saying "blame Karel for ur loss cryptobros" just makes me crazy sometimes.

Hell yes!

Neos and Neos Credits will be big long term no question about that.

My favorite book is Lifespan by Dr David Sinclair

Why cant access neos website?

I know Solirax was reluctant at getting invested, like series A. But now I see that investment will make Solirax much more professional in many aspects....

After solving this, maybe should consider some. Great for partnership also :)

Not reluctant, unable to get because of our stubbornnes to do things our way and refusing to hire experts

As an equity holder of Solirax LTD does Rothenberg Ventures/River have voting rights?

what do u mean unable?
Frooxius is the one against this.. again?? Please persuade Rothenburg...

Our host is experiencing some temporary problems https://status.wedos.hosting/en/

Could be a DDoS attack

Some of them certainly do. I hope and belive there is a good silent majority as well though.

there are good silent majority for sure

Its just that.. those who doesnt pick side cant stand anywhere recently.

Negativity is harming the goods.
Why we need to be civil also...

and prob nvidia omniverse as well....

Hey Karel, could you tell us more about where things currently are about the IP rights? Also could you please answer Tizzy’s question on Rothenburg Venture’s voting right?

hope everyone's been doing well.

the 60 million evaluation takes the USD peak value of ETH and compares it to where ETH is now. It's not at all a fare comparison because ETH is worth almost half of what it was at that peak. So much willful misinformation spreading around.

really happy to see Karel was here. Awesome for him to pop in and help ease worries

I actually agree with Geenz that NCR existing as a platform-agnostic Metaverse token with 3rd party API integration could potentially allow it to grow larger than it ever could contained within the Neos walled garden. It could potentially coincide with a marketplace of virtual goods and standardized assets that can be imported into many platforms instead of just one small ecosystem.

This was something that was proposed by Tangle and Deadly from Sushiswap before the fallout happened and I think it could have viability, especially in the event of an irreparably fractured Neos.

Given the anti-crypto sentiment from that camp, I can see them moving to a proprietary internal currency like the Linden dollar, assuming they ever have a say in that.

Again, the only person who can remove Karel from Neos is Karel - regardless of what the furries say.

Without contracts the developers are about as officially involved in Neos as my cat and have about as much say in the executive power structure.

Damn, your cat codes?

She's written about as much code as the Neos devs have over the past 2 months.

;)

Low key I wanna hit up Karel with some reliable referrals

But I’m not sure if they are familiar with whatever software is used for Neos

C# in Visual Studio I believe, according to Prime.

I’m not big in tech but well-connected to good talents in many fields

Think he wouldn’t actually consider?

I know he is under a lot of pressure from the devs side

Right now I think Karel wants to put out the fire before continuing to redecorate the house.

Until the foundational and IP issues are sorted, everything else is being built on top of an unstable (And somewhat non-existent) structure - which I think is a big reason why we saw NCR collapse.

Fair enough though there is a different approach that I have noticed in every bank I worked with

I personally think we'll see positive forward momentum after ownership is clearly established, or at least we'll have a clear direction of where things will be headed. Until then we don't know who is entitled to what and that puts the Neos codebase in somewhat of a legal gray area.

Did you manage to find the document btw?

The one with the shares pie chart?

Yes, Solirax has two shares issued between two directors - Karel and Tomas.

Ah so an absolute stalemate

Well, lets hope this goes well, Karel seems optimistic about the negotiations

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Yes precisely. It's like building a house without an architectural plan, slapping together materials here and there, hoping it will somewhat work.
Then you are sitting there scratching head when you see it collapse, wondering what went wrong. 😁
Luckily all the good bits are intact, the core engine, architecture and functionality is there, the market is there, the funding is there. It's just about putting it back together but this time properly☺️.

As you say, this opportunity is in our hands. I say ours because while Solirax is a business of Karel and Frooxius, any platform or idea needs a support of people - both team and users. And I see we still have a lot of support. And I am hoping that in time more and more people will realise that this is much bigger than us.

Yes, there are new platforms quickly emerging - Omniverse is one of them, Meta, Roblox..I even saw Tinder is trying to build their own metaverse version for dating. (Which actually is something I am curious about as a concept - I always felt there needs to be a better way for people to meet and connect on much deeper level than swiping through some awkward bathroom selfies. In VR you can connect with people extremely quickly.
I have had amazing chats with complete strangers about their life & death experiences, people open up way more in the right environment)

But anyway back to my original point - Neos can be all of this. It's completely versatile. There is a reason why we came up with this new tagline "Metaverse as unique as its users" Because that sums up pretty much the essence of Neos. It's a platform - and you are free to make it completely your own.
Doesn't matter if you are a furry, an artist, a professor of science, a lawyer - you can use Neos and make it work for you. Omniverse is too focused on engineers and designers atm. Meta is ...well Meta😅

The guys are lucky to have you onboard Andrea.

Maintaining that positive energy and bridging the gap between the camps is going to help foster a healthy company and community atmosphere and that's exactly what we need right now.

Interesting re: Tinder. The Metaverse as a dating platform makes so much sense as a compelling use case. There's a world in VRChat called "No Time Two Talk" and it's basically speed friending/dating. It works incredibly well and I can see that being a killer app/ selling point of an entire platform if it was marketed right.

Omniverse is great if you want to do wind tunnel testing of a CAD model, not so much for connecting people and communities. 😅

would it be possible to make a world like "no time two talk" and make money with it in neos??
just like a vr tinder??
It would be great if creators can earn money like Roblox

There are definitely ways something like that could be monetized. NCR-based paid access would be the most straightforward, similar to a Tinder+ / Gold sub.

i like the creator benefit or economy business model :)
There can be many services made.
dating is just one of them. counseling, education.... etc.
+ game obviously

even its free, there can be some way to give benefit to creator of the world anyway.
+ if there's something alpha, people can pay

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https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2022-03-22/yuga-labs-closes-450-million-seed-round-of-funding-valuing-the-company-at-4-billion-confirms-plans-for-metaverse-project

off topic... but yuga is $4b... quite insane opportunity nowadays

Can neos be a great company like yuga?

neos is on a crossroad..
great company vs high-functioned funny vr social game

not every ceo is perfect. but great company's leader have great&clear vision. Just need appropriate ppl arround.

It is equally ridiculous to wait for the NCR cryptocurrency to be adopted to deny its integration into the project, which is very clear.... perhaps it had been years since you were unaware of the existence of the cryptocurrency that was on your website?... very ridiculous

It just makes no sense in my opinion. The only way this would work is if Karel's company and Froox's company had a close relationship and could work together. NCR, in my opinion, needs more use cases and that requires cooperations, otherwise Karel is at the mercy of the other side and can only do so much. It's a dead end in terms of future decentralized functionality and also since Neos wants to fun things centrally, it actually positions them as competing services.

What Geenz is proposing has no concessions on his part and puts Karel and all of us in a position where his entire company is at the whim of Froox, whom really just wants Neos to languish as his private clique hobby project.

Who in their right mind would allow themselves to be shoved out of their own company and then establish a new company that feeds value into the one that exiled him?

I think they would have gotten that value, if the devs we're not hostile by that point. I'm not going to pretend that I agree with buybacks, but the collapse of that value is the result of both party's actions.

One side was trying to prop up NCR value in the face of the dev team publicly disparaging it... That created a steamtrain rushing for the exit IMO, and Karel standing in front of it trying to defend his side of the company.

seems pointless for people on the Neos discord or devs to whine about it though, they wanted to snub their nose at NCR or even remove it while at the same time get all the money from it? How ridiculous.

They will absolutely do this IMO. I actually do think at a time they will see the value of accepting other cryptos for whatever store they bring up. Then when NCR gets deemphasized because it needs a special plugin or whatever stupidity to use, assholes lile Geenz will be there to gloat that NCR wasnt able to bring enough value to the table and everyone will pretend it was a Karel problem.

NCR would still need to be legally and technically tethered to Neos and function as the official and sole currency of the platform, but functioning as an open token and also allowing 3rd party integration would allow it to become the currency of not just Neos - but all Metaverses. These concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

Right, although I don't see how NCR needs to be third party for other platforms to use it, nor do I see very many other platforms allowing NCR to build ontop of them

Which is why I think rolling out an OpenSea-style marketplace for virtual goods could give NCR an incredibly compelling use case. Virtual worlds like VRChat rely on 3rd party content sites such as DeviantArt and TurboSquid, but there is no official support or integration for either. Imagine external Metaverse projects being able to bolt-in support for the Neos marketplace through its open API and their users purchasing standardized 3D assets cross-platform. Suddenly you open up the ecosystem to a much wider audience and that directly impacts the capitalization of NCR.

I mean, yes that could be great, and I'd love to see it happen... I imagine others want to be first to market on something like that, and Booth or gumroad might have an advantage already

if they wanted to get into NFT avatar item selling

The fact is that human acts for economic benefit. Many patrons thought NCR as one of most important benefit of patreon.
The patrons have been getting ncr as a reward at least 70% of what they have paid. But its gone now.

There are still ppl believing in Neos to patron continuously, and Solirax's management shouldnt let this down.

Im quite sure the volunteers dont give a shit about financial sustainability. They dont care about patreon obviously.
They dont think CFO is needed role for CEO. They think CFO should be just 3rd party accountant.

They think Neos can be ran by their "volunteer" work anyway.

Dont care even their work takes 10 years. Its just the right speed for them.

Noone can force them to speed up. They are right on track always

and I dont think Frooxius has stack for management. He's just genius engineer.
Everyone knows that, Froox himself knows that, and his volunteer "friends" also know that.

If Frooxius runs his company alone and keep the volunteers working for years, I am curious what will happen :)

my expectation is as below;
devs will start to claim for their IP, maybe demand for stocks. The stocks keep gets diluted and the ownership of Frooxius' will be doomed cus they need "unanimous decision" which is not sustainable. Maybe some will get trouble with their friendship for sure.

Neos will have no revenue stream going on. They believe selling storage is the main business model. User cant expand cus they cant afford the maintenance fee which is ridiculous. They think the community users are Santa clause who gives money when money needed.

some thinks like that but what I see is that most patrons gone now is cus NCR reward.

opinions can differ

i dont believe there was that much furry patrons. furry patrons were giving 100k a month? hmm.... maybe 5k

yep. and this situation will last long enough to kill financial sustainability; which some volunteers dont even care.

cus why would they care how much Solirax earns? or uses?
it only matters to Froox and Karel. volunteers really have nothing to say. They should just do their job "develop"

i mean the decreased patreons. it was 130k at peak, now 30k.
And ncr's price under minting price is the problem as in terms of ncr reward. 50 cent at that time makes at least 70% reward. Total different situation.

so running Neos needs 11k a month? interesting information

👍

could be, but dont think thats the major reason

and can Karel please answer to what furries refer "Karel's companies" is true?
Isnt it "Solirax's affiliate"?

what does it mean flow to Karel's company not Solirax?
Or have Karel withdrawn money himself somewhat embezzlement?

thats funny

cus LTD's sole purpose is holding company

100% sure u knowing wrong.

If it is owned solely by Karel kk, then Froox should sue him.

Karel will answer to this furry rumors.

u believe this too? @Kulza

show me the share relation

and i'll opologize

u claim that it isnt affiliate, just private company of Karel's

did anyone deny the existence?..

this

u know what "own" means in company right?

show me the stockholder list that Karel owns 100%

thanks

this is quite amazing new info i just got.
Sorry for what I said as "rumor" :(

again thanks and sorry

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Good morning, I really hope the two founders (and the VC) do their best for the whole Neos ecosystem and start working on implementing NCR.
Starting an ICO and then scamming investors in the token is a very bad idea for their present and future reputation.
Experienced investors have enough informations to make a class action against them (they made a silly mistake).
Also some start to think that they might have been planning this mess since the beginning in bad faith.
If you are in touch with them please advice them to take care of their investors and dont play games since they are in a very weak position and the only thing thy should work on is Neos and NCR.
Otherwise they will just make happy a bunch of US lawyers willing to get paid to protect their clients interests.
Regards

Ja Kobu Enki from Discord says: It's fully dead. Call Karel too scammy or the Neos community too fuddy, the fact is people aren't going to want to buy it anymore.

Points that make NCR dead -
1: Karel has committed fraudulent actions such as wasting large amounts of money in defiance of the key point of the whitepaper. He also forged Froox's signature.
2: Karel has been irreconcilably cast out by the Neos team. They refuse to work with him now and that's not going to change because he burned his bridges thoroughly.
3: The only way forward for Karel is to make NCR into a plugin, but NCR holders are adamant that this would kill the token, because it removes any motivation for the team to support NCR in away that would give it the $10 billion market caps people were talking about earlier.
4: The team is burnt out on crypto. They'll let it live in their app, but receiving death threats and the like for something they had no control over means they aren't going to cooperate with the crypto community.
5: NCR is not considered an investment. It's basically seen as people having a gamble, so responsibility for a drop in value is not something the team were ever willing to take.
6: Most people that bought it, were being deceived by Karel through lies and extreme hype.

All the facts together, NCR has none of the appeal that it used to have, and so noones going to buy. Eventually people will realise the futility of trying to get Karel to reconcile with Froox, and then they'll sell.

What Do you think about it guys?

I sold my 5000 ncr I want to hodl but there is no any good news about ncr 🙁 I m so confused.

quite true, cus it is actually fact that NCR crashed

and many ppl have sold for those reasons

but it is already crashed.

But as long as NCR stays with Neos, it will eventually recover from it when 1. neos thrives 2. Metaverse/VR hype

yes seems like that. So sad probably after Karel saw that much money when ncr was around 9 he went moggy.

question is, is NCR staying with Neos?

Is Neos developing neos store as they planned?

Is Neos great?

I didnt see any answer of it.

I believe all yes to those questions and why I couldnt just leave.

I lost a lot so I m so anxious about future of ncr.

but Ja is making point that it wont recover in short.

The best thing these guys should do is to ask for a business advice from outsider professionals

I know some great founders that might help find a solutions

Problems is they dont want help

yeah eventually :)

Not sure how Karel could be "cast out" by the Neos team. He owns 50% of the company and they don't have contracts or any legal ties to the company - as far as a court would be concerned.

They're very adamant about the continued use of the word fraud because it carries a lot of emotional power and it's a pretty common tactic used when trying to de-platform somebody that you don't agree with. The reality is that there is no basis for this claim and the strategic buybacks of NCR were always part of the tokenomics of NCR.

The plugin argument is also irrelevant because the only two people who have a say in the direction of NCR are Karel and Froox. The rest is just bombastic chest-pounding and hate fantasies.

The team never received death threats and their repeated use of this term is just another attempt to discredit Karel's character, much like the repeated use of the word fraud.

Karel and Froox have been working for almost a decade on Neos and have both been invested into seeing it do well. NCR's sudden surge was the result of Facebook's enormous pivot into the Metaverse space and Neos was at the right place at the right time. There was never any fraud, rather the ship wasn't seaworthy yet and the pressure from the sudden capitalization exposed a lot of foundational issues that are common for new startups. There's a huge difference.

I'm still optimistic about Neos, but it's hard to build bridges when the other side has no interest in reciprocating.

one whale had to short a few hundred million dollars



Qualcomm has created $100M Metaverse Investment Fund

Leading chip supplier
@Qualcomm
is launching a $100M
@Snapdragon
Metaverse Fund intended to support companies building out the metaverse using augmented reality, mixed reality or virtual reality.

huge money flows in metaverse

Karel Andrea Do you plan to make the neos vr into a DAO？

Talking about Karel right?

Oh god I hope not

DAO is an element of the metaverse

That is nice I think

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Pleaee dont underestimate the pain of managing a multi-sig wallet. Or the issues caused by whales in DAOs.

But true that Karel's time is very important and I would prefer if others would be handling these processes

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There would be DAO but stupid devs leave first

https://discord.com/channels/402159838827905024/941727532779200593/956365777152405534

In any case that sarcastic talks is not good I think.

There would never have been a DAO from them

Neos is bigger than a Dao. I actually considered and started planning for a Dao inside Neos, there could be multiple of those. - Cryptobros and A Cryptonians should understand that Neos is an infinite game- it has space for all kind of economies, tribes, systems and facets of human identity.
Unfortunately hate and "we are not them speech" seem to be always the loudest.

Yep, nothing really to stop anyone from creating their own DAO with NCR

The discord community is creating lists of people who diverge from their groupthink. I'm sure anyone who stepped out of line will be ostracized inside Noes now.

They've done that already its just jako is more upfront about being in a campaign

they live at home and have all the time in the world to treat this like a job

I have been kicked from Neos discord about 1 week ago, no one gets back to me

and thats fine and all but the children on discord all pretending to be cartoon animals seem to not realize that this drama involves alot of people losing real money

People in poorer countries too, who got tricked into believing Neos.

But for them it's totally OK to justify ripping people off

maybe Jako is getting paid? kk

like real people have been hurt, but to them its just fun and games

naw he does it for free lol

kkk funny kid, dont bother

anyway, this is my decision to keep investing/holding

its somewhat sad cause I like the game he brags about translating

JP community make alot of cool stuff in Neos, including a really cool card game

alot of japanese people bought NCR to support the game, not knowing the english speaking community wanted to maliciously stab them in the back

im proud that i was the first to list on there

yah Im proud to be on that list

anyway what is this refering to?

We have to fix the damage no matter what

some kind of list to prepare attack like Reactant got?

And we know youre the man for the job

You have alot stacked against you so we admire youve not given up in face of how unfair youve been treated

there's nothing uglier than how Ive seen that community act toward you when youve helped them

when neos gets to be great, those will be bygones.

right, someday this will be an old memory. some things take a decade to become funny dontchaknow

The amount of hate some of these people have inside their hearts is staggering. Will not stop until the situation is rectified.

dont let it get you down cause in time things will cool off and theyll forget all this drama that's captured their imaginations

I believe that atleast

also creepy that he is even watching telegram. He is very passionate kid. cheers for him

Where is February Karel statement?

Please refer to the March one https://twitter.com/KarelHulec/status/1501948472148119559
I've deleted the Feb reply to Froox as I find that whole Twitter diarrhea undignified and don't want it on my personal profile long term.

Creating social ostracization hit-lists only further divides the community and isn't a healthy way to build bridges. In the end everybody should be working towards the goal of supporting Neos. Sowing division is counter-productive and it's really sad to see.

That would normally be the case if not for the dev team literally throwing the ncr holders under the bus.

like, there's no way to mental gymnastic what they are doing. They are literally wanting to rugpull them and pretend they never existed.

And when the community is cheering maliciously for that to happen, there can't be much of a bridge for us tp agree on Neos fate.

like, full stop. How can you get along with someone who is cheering for or gloating about your financial ruin and has an ideological slant against you because you dare to believe in crypto?

does ncr work anymore?

kulza has objective view, nice

It probably would have some, but would it have dropped 90%? no, not without these serious issues a hand where the dev team is hostile to the investors

atleast thats my opinion

and heck I think NCR could have grown quiet large and the company could have onboarded a bunch of helpful devs imo. NCR was only at market cap rank of 3000

I dont care about the token price as much as I care about the future of it though

I mean of course as metaverse hype died down that is of course what would happen like similar peojects Mana or otherwise

but whales also monitor the chats and when they see the devs wanting to take the comfy, popular opinion of "crypto is le bad" that signalled then to pull out

right. it's complex and takes forward thinking and a respect for that kind of vision imo... and time. I think most here believed in that longterm vision

I mean I bought NCR because I likes the damn product, lol

+1. Toxic community killed NCR price.

When will the chaos be calmed down？@Karel

If this chaos continues, neos will eventually fail.

Karel

noone really knows....

As a leader

a loser

Ja kobu scares me as few other very active discord members... They spend most of their waking time on patrolling neos social channels

The discord at this point is just propaganda machine to justify this company takeover and nothing else

Damn my name is on the list

Maybe it has no link but I keep on receiving calls on my phone from an asian number looks like a bot talking with a music, I hope it's a coincidence lol

Its awful that non of the actual discord mods have disavowed the creation of hate lists. The post was up for a while.

Yep, it doesnt make any sens but that's fine for them

https://youtu.be/2ms_wAfxTV0

Monetary incentive to create is a powerful driving force of virtual world microtransaction economies. I remember in 2003 when Second Life was still a small sandbox community and Starax Statosky released a multi-use wand that everybody wanted. They ended making a ton of money and it set the stage for what eventually became a multi-million dollar virtual goods marketplace.

The part where he talks about finding the balance between centralization and decentralization is really interesting. It sounds a lot like Neos where certain components are distributed and others are still living in more of a traditional cloud.

Dude..😂

these people must be so sad irl

lol

So instead of trying to dissincentivise harmful behavior on the discord, the moderation team and the team members are making fun of us for not wanting to be put on hate lists.

They are so hands off on moderation when it comes to anyone being abusive on their side. For example, this is one of their members explicitly and intentionally breaking the rules after a warning to stop. No consequences. The post is still up. But BL is an old friend of the teams so he can get away without consequences.

yeah we know it's always been biased, just slowly over time the mask pretending to not be has slowly been coming off

they ran anyone pro ncr off the discord and that wasn't enough for them that they need to come follow us here looking for a fight lmao

theyre toxic children with too much time on their hands

Dear everyone,

It has come to my attention that there are some individuals approaching NCR holder to buy their holdings for 2x or more, kindly be careful as they will ask you to conduct the transaction through an escrow service that will only end up freezing the NCR being sold.

I have read a more detailed incident and feel free to read it too so you are well aware how someone might scam you.

https://cryptozoa.com/how-drip-helped-me-to-relax-with-my-recent-scam-c59df231ab5e

Ignore the DRIP part, just read the part with the escrow

Yeah, I'd only sell using something I know for sure or where I receive the money before sending my NCR

I think you can set it to only allow TG calls made from contacts you added to TG

can even set it to nobody if it's too much for the time being

mobile calls can be silenced as well, so only contacts that are on your contact list can get calls through

however that depends on the mobile OS and version

For example, I don't accept calls without caller ID and I don't call back on numbers that I don't know

It's even that far that I don't accept calls, when I don't know the number that's shown, except for those rare cases where I expect a call from an unknown number

Excuse my ill advice, but I'd get an assistant (secretary?) to take the calls and forward them to you, when you need to answer them

Just watch out for these

Ahh, okay. And when I don't know any escrow they suggest a make shift escrow that just "freezes funds" but is actually their wallet

Bro.. that’s exactly what i received

Guys please be careful

I got contacted by her

And then I would only answer calls that come from that assistant, as I know it's them who has deemed a call as being from a client

For these, just immediately block and most importantly report as spam

because they are spam

This is oddly an unintuitive rule on telegram. Every unsolicited private message that you didn't expect is considered spam in telegram. Randomly messaging people on Telegram is not allowed

Use it, report random messages from strangers as spam

Since I already knew they are doing this, I reported it as spam without questioning

That usually immediately stops them by marking the account as spammer, it's an automated process on telegram and doesn't need any human intervention and even trying to get some human to help with this is fruitless, as for the first few spam blocks, no one is lifting that manually

sell sell sell, don't miss other valuable coin

yes.... 1) create a new wallet, 2) request the buyers to send 10 eth to that wallet, 3) thank them for the donation

I never replied to these type of questions... do you own this / that... not worth it.

What are the main problems here? Could blockchain help at any way?

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When ncr list exchange new?

maybe never

This person he also chatted with me privately

report them. its a scam

😳 reely

NCR has been on steady uptrend since bottoming out at 20 cents. I think one bit of positive news would send it back over $1.

NCR needs good news to get back above $1 or else it will stay the same price or keep going down

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Yeah until this whole thing is resolved I wouldn’t expect any major movement in ncr price

That’s always a possibility

If this goes to court then definitely

lol good luck with that. Best regards dear sir

Did it become a scam,

We need to work with the community to find this fraud team.

Can we get some updates pls:(

While your waiting, go hangout in Neos and get to know the community.

How is the progress now?

I'am affraid we won't get much more informations for now

🙁

Are you guys still holding ?

Because I am, and x3 my position 😆

yes, but if any positive news dosent come ı will sell soon.

I feel you, these times are uncertain

Why hold?

Not to FUD, but the opportunity cost is too high to hold tokens for a project with this much drama, uncertainty and toxicity. If things are resolved just buy again at a marginally higher price

Yep you are right..

Time will tell I guess

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I still believe in Neos and NCR

We love ncr

​​Huobi Global will list Victoria VR (VR) on March 30. The VR spot trading (VR/USDT) will go live once liquidity conditions are met.

Wen ncr？

In this situation, never...

right? Karel

victoria vr?! waatt?? :(

Never lose hope

If my ICO price is $10, is there any hope?

dont say long turm, i lost opportunity cost

Ncr is not vol trader

Ahything can happen

well.... there are ppl even buying some images for billions so.... anything for "buying scarcity" makes in a sense that way.

but i agree with u&neos so much on this one.

but its also irony that
limiting land bringing more community

while neos doesnt have any limit with less community

yeah.. nft bubble is going down a bit ..

but we never know the value of IP

It’s been a while team, really hope you guys can give us some updates.

Having the best tech doesn't matter. Literally every other gaming or metaverse project token is outperforming NCR

these projects are not backstabbed by their teams indeed

its hard to understand why ppl value certain things because there's abit of imagination involved. like with the apes I think its this idea of membership to some exclusive community and with art some believe theyre buying some of the first pieces of digital art in a future metaverse and that that's why they'll be considered interesting pieces to have, and with pfp its I guess identity and statement that they believe in something

like im not saying it makes sense but I think its that

on the same note its like why does a black lotus cost half a million? its just a piece of cardboard

The NFT is something special about you that no one can fake, for example, the picture of Mona Lisa. There is only one original copy and many fakes, but the original picture is considered special because it is real.

There's a difference between on-chain generated NFT art and those that are stored as a jpeg or other format on a centralized server

On a positive note the market is doing well, maybe it will help

don't be a bagholder

Yep, sell at low buy at ath

You are obviously right, no offense btw

It’s more about the opportunity cost at this point

It is indeed very high

Then the difference comes from if you buy it from the artist like Mona Lisa from Da Vinci or not

Blockchain is the perfect place for proof of ownership

People dont. Centralized NFT exchanges do

Stolen or hacked NFTs just get sold on other exchanges

Ah gotcha, missed that :)

I've been reading through Froox's announcements again and I can't seem to find any mention of him supporting the complete removal of NCR. Based on his statements such as "Our proposal would also let Karel independently implement and distribute NCR functionality on top of our work" and "Our goal is to still use the funding for its actual intended purpose - development of this project" it suggests that there are still plans to include NCR as part of the roadmap for Neos, even if as a 3rd party solution a'la Second Life's Tilia.

The only people continuing to disseminate the idea that NCR is being entirely deprecated are the anti-crypto users who in the end have no say over the direction of Neos or NCR. They have essentially gaslit the Neos investment community into believing the token is worthless and created enough FUD to sink the market cap to where it's currently at - which is why I'm continuing to accumulate. I think at some point both sides will reach a resolution and it will re-inspire enough confidence to make NCR appealing as a speculative investment again.

It really comes down to what the guys end up negotiating. I think a component can be 3rd party but still officially supported. Either way I think NCR will still remain relevant.

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It isn't as if you could just slap NCR on top of a Metaverse like that. NCR Integration would need to go deeper, it'd need to be integrated into the cloud services and tied to the assets to allow NFTs once the chain is environmentally sustainable

Yeah it would have to be the default monetary system of Neos in the same way the Linden Dollar is in Second Life.

Then would it need to be a digital currency rather than a crypto currency?

The thief still owns it, it's just that everyone knows it also and is choosing not to interact with him

Sounds more like a plus to me in this case

Also if something isn't perfect, doesn't mean it isn't the best option available

not really, if you look on the discord its the devs aka froox's friends saying removing ncr completely and in their words make it a "plugin"

turns out ppl dont want to buy fakes, specially when they're easily proven to be fakes

and I dont think investors care what the anti people are saying, they care what the devs are saying and devs are too craven to support something unpopular like blockchain concepts. Thats what sunk the price. The price tanked the moment of Froox's march 4th annoubcement, simple as. infact it was recovering quote abit following Karel proposing a new whitepaper

ah ok i misunderstood

the drama going on now makes me think about metaverse again. or why decentralized platform is important for it.

It's quite annoying that service can be just gone. I wanted to build new life in here, but it was actually too centrallized. Its not trustless platform. What if Solirax just stops service? noone can stop this happening if only 2 person agrees on it.

This is why decentralized platform based on crypto is on a trend. Agreed protocol, governance based on crypto, with philosophy of web3 is keep coming out with some points. to keep this kind of drama out of sustainability of metaverse platform.

I hope one day, that neos can be fully opensourced, and NCR acts as a bigger role. not just an utility token.

community doesnt have any right to vote what neos can do or not. I dont mean just ncr stuffs.
Centralized platform is good for lean startups because it is speedy that way. but.. neos is centralized platform which isnt speedy.
Great engineer isnt using his full capability.

or there can be another token, higher layer which has governance function given to high ncr holders.

https://bit.ly/3t9kFqh
https://t.co/78q0KQGP8M

Karel fyi

interesting note about "value exchange" and the role of blockchains

(page 16)

They were already financed, now eliminate it... what thieves

but please play it safe with the pdfs.... got the link from:

https://twitter.com/CreditSuisse/status/1505882849542615040?t=lPBG1avCoPMj8DQcwegJNg&s=19

I gave me profits because I was one of the first 340 holders... but there are 6,000 investors who can lose almost everything because 2 children do not agree

they are geniuses to develop this but idiots, liars and selfish when it comes to respecting investors

surprised to see a bank like CS publishing about metaverses. But it seems that they did their homework

Can I buy NCR now?

victoria vr doesnt even have product yet.. but 20x higher..

chance to gamble, but timing is the key for investing now

the best scenario for ncr can go x20
while the worst case would only lose maybe 1/2

yes, NCR can still be bought

no, we don't know whats going to happen with the situation though

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yup. If some of that buyback money was used for CEX listings I imagine NCR would be doing much better

uhhh worst case is 0

u talking about cex listing just makes me laugh

if this drama happened after cex listings, it would have gone even lower. it just makes more famous scam to ppl

yeah.. maybe :(

Looks like NCR is already dead 😂

NCR is on ice until some sort of resolution is made. If the news ends up being even remotely positive I think we’ll see NCR run again which is why Karel has been confidently doing strategic buybacks.

strategic implies strategy

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I love Neos, and I’m confident Karel will right the ship.

The world needs Neos.

Btw, @tizzers nice to meet you. I loved the video you posted a few months ago on YouTube about Neos as the future of the metaverse. Like you, I’m a metaverse OG, and create content about the topic. It would be great to connect on Neos.

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and when were the ransoms? when did he buy them?

Wow the hate campaing on twitter is getting cringe at this point..

Karel say that asking for pay blackmail?

Karel say that asking for pay orherwise dump ncr is blackmail

We can see the agressivity, its obvious

Team did this?

Unfortunately yes

Did CTO? This very bad