- 01 April 2023 (44 messages)
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I was gone for 10 minutes.... really? -
and to think I was talking with someone who was running a project in Neos just now...
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Lmao -
same here. I was on roughly an hour ago for their ChatGBT bar bot project
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and I guess the system declines on serverside, so no way to clientside mod it out?
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...speaking of, I should check my own certs
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yeah. I just tried that myself. Logins are all now expired. Server is online and responds to network requests
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I had some weekend projects I was going to resume working on. Guess not anymore.
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Karel, @malooniac, and @NonnyFreedom, might want to see the above and poke the appropriate parties when able to...
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huh.... how come the website login still works? I'm guessing it has a different access to the API system?
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right but.... wouldn't it have to talk to the API to validate the login?
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ah... makes sense then...
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Hi, it’s Xaos and her GPT-3 Bartender 💜🤖😎
I wish the introduction was more happy, but I’m just getting a heart attack as I’m set to exhibit the Quantum Bar at Laval Virtual next week & open it on NEOS regularly afterwards.
Is there a way that this can be fixed? -
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Seems like the api subdomain might only be used for the game itself. the website uses cloudx.azurewebsites.net/api/ -
hmmm....... darn. Was thinking if I could do a DNS redirect or something...
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Copying over Primes announcement in Discord
"We're aware of users getting SSL issues when using Neos. I'll update you when I can.
We're aware and investigating, thank you.
We're implementing some fixes" -
FYI, there's no indication that this is an expired cert. The Client Hello is immediately rejected and no Cert is offered. -
It is something either in Cloudflare's service, or possibly the backend API being down that might result in the error, but I am speculating since I don't have experience in Cloudflare's API protection services.
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I guess.... that'd techincally be correct? If it cannot connect, then how can it validate the SSL?
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The Client Hello includes the CN (api.neos.com) since Cloudflare likely uses that to direct to the proper backend hose, but immediately a TLS response is returned saying handshake failure.
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This is before any certs are negotiated or even offered.
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That's an assumption made from the browser since the Client Hello offers all of the schemes and TLS compatibility and then it gets an immediate handshake failure
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But since 132 cyphers and TLS 1.2-1.3 is likely offered, my guess is the issue is not the TLS versions nor cipher, but something in the backend having an issue with the CN
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Yup, TLS is now negotiating on all 4 IPs
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From Prime in Discord
"We're seeing partial recovery here, still some fixes to roll out.
You'll need to restart Steam to pickup a small Neos update." -
I wonder.... if it's related to the tornadoes going on? Maybe a node got slapped?
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WELP.... I'm backing things up to local now...
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All good now here in Munich 🥲
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So, is that finally the end for NCR? If you cannot use the website download any more? -
From Prime on Discord
"Ok standalone is also updated now. " -
Did the standalone get a binary update? It seemed to run fine upon notice of the backend recovering
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huh... looks like it... weird
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CloudX.Shared.dll got updated changing all api.neos.com endpoints to use cloudx.azurewebsites.net
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Seems like some parts of api.neos.com are working again though
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hmm... weird. It seemed to work even without... regardless, I did update but I need to run the Yt-DL updater again
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Not sure personally if the yt-dl or mmc facet update ever actually got pushed to standalone, I just copied the dll from my steam copy to standalone and updated yt-dl manually previously
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well, if you update standalone, it also reverts the changes so... not a big deal, since I still have the script from back then.
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He was doing a lot of discussion roughly a month ago
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Not saying in his defense, just pointing it out
- 02 April 2023 (31 messages)
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Welp, time to bunker down, spin up another server, then do some world importing madness.
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CEO is important because they handle the business contacts and money -
So someone that is good with that needs to become CEO
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It's not something just anyone can do
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Of the neos team or in neos the people I think that have these skills are probable and medra
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Outside of neos I dont know
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Who do you have in mind of that
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shut up PLZ -
Watch your language please -
Communication in this channel should be conducted in English only.
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Thank you for understanding.
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If you want to contact for business please direct them to hello@neos.com
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Hmm so the shares would be transferred as well?
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Then you definitely want someone that has good interests with neos and not some kind of business
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Like for example prime would have good interests with neos and not making it money grab
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Or medra
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They are good candidates that would not break neos
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They want neos to be good
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I'm wondering if there are trolls here or if they are just naive or if they deliberately want to kill Neos.
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Yeah they probably just dont care about neos tbh
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Both
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So if Karel does manage to revive NCR, will there be anything to retain coin value? That's what kills most coins from what I can tell, that once it starts to lose value, people bail with what profits they can still get, naturally. -
The value of it is only useful to me as a utility token. I get, I spend, I receive storage space. As commerce, it fails on too many levels
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Though, that does bother me: what is the REAL reason separation is so tricky? Is it due to the ownership percentages? Is that why simply changing hands is 'the desired' way over just... biting the bullet, liquidizing everything, and have both people go their separate ways and let this be the end of the madness?
- 03 April 2023 (12 messages)
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I'm really hoping they go their own ways. I came to neos for frooxs work, and want to continue seeing what he can do with the platform. I wanna see if Karel could create something utilizing crypto/web3/whatever well, I've not really seen anything convincing me of it's true utility so far. Neither of these are truly possible as the situation stands.
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lovely... welp, considering the platform and coin are both degrading, to the point of holding zero meaning to any party, it'll be nice to know that because someone couldn't be bothered to just let it go and keep the proceeds, that two birds were killed by one stone.
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At some point, so many workarounds will be instated, Neos, the client application, will be a true demonstration of the ship of Thesis, in that it is so disconnected from the original system, that it might as well be considered something else.
NCR will most likely go the same way, if it hasn't already done so, in that it was once a token to support the development of a system, but was turned into a trading nightmare when Meta opened their mouth and made the wrong crowd pump and dump on a donation system.
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But I guess we'll have to wait for more certificates to die out.
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You could let frooxius say a few words -
I don't think any of that would be productive. This can only end one way and its a final split of the two owners. I would prefer two projects, but any outcome beside stagnation is preferable. -
The hot topic has now shifted to AI. they can separate on their own merits and see what they can make in the future.
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In my personal opinion, hot topic means nothing. Sure the AI's are changing our lifes in the next few years in so many ways that it will be hard to grasp for many, but in terms of software development for VR it doesn't change that much, yet. If there is any hardware release, like a more immersive way to access VR, any time in the future, you will see how fast VR crazes come up again.
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Besides, a project that melds the 'hot topic' and VR together is on life support because of this dilemma. A few MMC projects even showcased the functions.
Additionally, Karel already stated his opinions on letting Froox operate everything from his perspective. I'm not even sure Froox has a Telegram, let alone would be allowed to join this group without people throwing virtual pitchforks. - 04 April 2023 (1 messages)
- 05 April 2023 (23 messages)
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The pump and dump of the bear market is the dump and pump 🫥 -
Standalone was updated i believe.
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Oh, alright
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It was updated just a bit earlier today, just hasn't gotten those 2 things specifically I suppose. Both of which are user fixable if you'd like them fixed sooner.
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Can't confirm myself on those as I have made my own changes to the facet and have already updated yt-dlp
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Announced by Prime ~1hour ago in the announcement channel
"We've released a further update on Steam,Standalone and Headless to cover some issues users saw with the last update.
You may need to restart steam and/or wait a little bit to see the update.
It should resolve, thumbnails & videos being funky. Thank you!
Edit: Until everyone/everything(including headlesesses) are on this new build, some thumbnails may still fail to work. So if you're testing stuff make sure to only look at sessions that have all the updates. Thanks! " -
2022.1.28.1310 and 2022.1.28.1335 are the current 2 latest 'versions'. The version number has not been incremented the last few fixes as they are all compatible with each other
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yes that is the steam build
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Yeah the build number is not different, it's just minor updates.
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That is correct. Development is on hold until ownership is clearned up. To be blunt, until the two owner split up and finalize law proceedings
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Also, as someone who uses the standalone viewer exclusively, it has been getting updates, albeit only critical ones. As there are effectively 4 different primary platform builds (Steam Windows, Steam Linux, Standalone Windows, and Headless), there might be a few differences due to platform requirements, but should still retain the ability to function together, which I can confirm on all 4 accounts.
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neos has released non-breaking updates often before, so slightly different build number is not a problem
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iirc, anyway
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the last 4 digits is also time
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yep
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NeosVR #strong on TV in Austria .
https://www.puls24.at/video/wirtschaft24/revolution-metaverse/v-crj3gcze82fd
(Mostly german, partly english. )Revolution MetaverseDiese Woche in Wirtschaft24: Revolution Metaverse! Wie die Mischwelt aus Realität und Virtualität unser Leben verändert. Und: Rethinking Plastic - so will Österreich zur Vorzeigeregion für nachhaltige Kunststoffe werden.
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Hmm... went okay until the talk regarding blockchain stuff came into play. So far, it has been very sketchy with "smaller, individual artists" (using my transcription translation, which is passable, but has some errors). I do agree, however, that the 'hype' phase has more or less passed, and as companies change to different subjects (with AI now being the new hot topic which was mentioned with Meta and Microsoft all taking metaverse funding and shoving it in that), it's also important to understand the tech itself.
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Overall, the discussion topics were... interesting? However, I'm not sure how long ago the interview was done, since the platform's health is dying right now and falling heavily behind from where it could be
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for NCR? No. It's basically dead.
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But makes for GREAT rates when buying storage space
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the last announcements are the latest news regarding everything
- 06 April 2023 (21 messages)
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you are dead
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ncr never fade
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rude...
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u first
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anyway, NCR went down by another decent percentage... 6.8% in just the last 2 hours alone...
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time to focus on more productive and actually useful things
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Yeah, to be fair all I saw it was planned for is just being the neos version of linden dollars or whatever
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same... just the Linden Dollar is actually stable/usable/backed by something/actually works
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But what if they are right? What if we've been dead this whole time and an all powerful evil demon is just tricking us into thinking we're living our lives and posting to the official Neos Metaverse telegram as an elaborate form of psychological torture. Doomed to doom scroll for our transgressions against the immutable distributed-consensus protocol. Husks of our former selves, mere echos in the session announcement servers. D: -
Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me with how long things have dragged on. This Telegram group feels like a circle of Hell that was never finished and collectively takes from the world's recent events and slurries them to form a new type of nightmare.
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Someone in the channel did write something about this. The newest steam release should have the changed api-adresses and another release is upcoming
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So the easiest solution is probably to use the steam client for now
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https://discord.com/channels/402159838827905024/439421931830378506/1093040932867293274 here is the latest announcement in discord with some more info in the posts above itDiscord - A New Way to Chat with Friends & Communities
Discord is the easiest way to communicate over voice, video, and text. Chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
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Updates have been pushed out to Steam, Standalone and Headless changing api.neos.com urls to cloudx.azurewebsites.net ones
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any tools that use api requests will need to update their requests
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What's do you think is sketchy about a TV-moderator asking about big money hype and luxury brands entering the metaverse and someone (me) saying that he is sceptical of that and believes more in the metaverse as a motor for individual arts&craft people and seeing NFT and big money promises sceptical?
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Interview was done monday last week.
- 07 April 2023 (13 messages)
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I cannot speak German, so I could only go based on what the transcription said, which had to be done with a translator app, so I could only make out parts of it.
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I can try to copy what the transcription came up with, but it was struggling and was always a good 5-10 seconds behind
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Interesting to see you here
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Ive been here a while at this point but don't really say much
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What do you use for transcription since this is special player and doesnt have the luxury of youtube auto subtitles.
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I stuck my Pixel next to the speaker of my PC and used Google Translate
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Interesting , yet workable approach,...
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I learned German
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oh no! I mean, great!
- 08 April 2023 (56 messages)
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Sold my positions 😁
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No idea
There are lower risk projects that promise more profits.
But will watch it and possibly get back in again -
I don't see any efforts to promote the project towards NCR.
The community does not understand the potential in my opinion.
It may be that the team is trying to dump the price to pump it later.
The market has more lucrative projects to offer from an investor's perspective.
The NEOS platform is still unique.
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NCR isn't entirely useless.
Storage space. On the cheap.
But as a currency... eh... -
Without NCR, NEOS will likely be bought or destroyed by giants like Meta.
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Well, perhaps meta would have finally have a product worth using that way. But no, because neos is owned by two people who don't want to sell it to meta. And meta would not buy a 50% share, even if one of them would offer. There is no 51% or 100% to gain , so its not worth anything to them.
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shut up
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why u stay here
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just go home
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patient is key
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plz leave this channel
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this is for neos credits
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Because he isn't interested in dealing with the stress and is going to be a father soon
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The issue will always be that to maintain a presence with Steam, which was the primary way of accessing Neos, NCR cannot be linked. With the split of two versions, one with access and one without, I'm not too confident with NCR's future, especially given the few situations it is now tied to.
Anyone with half a mind will look at the values, see signs of a pump and dump, and hold it to extreme caution, only made worse by the footnotes of what transpired during it. -
Equally speaking, I'm not sure on Neos's future as Neos, simply due to the event going on, and due to how many rumors have been spread because of it. Only a handful of users were there when a certain other platform announced a full ban on crypto, and the amount of backlash that Neos had to deal with from their 'loyal' userbase... which isn't small.
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IMO, allowing NCR to be tradable ultimately is what made it what it is now: worthless. Had it been only allowed to remain within the system's infrastructure, but still allowed to be purchased via what it was intended for: support to the project. The moment people realized they could game the system, that's exactly what happened, and now here we all are: without value and with a platform that is sitting on thinning ice.
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But whatever. With a group full of mostly crypto bots, and the remainder either some users of the platform or people who think that by owning a digital metal they have a sense of importance and entitlement to a title, I often question if it's worth even discussing anything here, as those in the know already know (the users), those who aren't just want to ignore everything (the false-investors), or couldn't care due to programming (bots).
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We're already starting to see that. I'm not versed with Chillout's changelog of critical features, but VRC hasn't been slouching at all. Heck, they introduced a feature that will dramatically improve rendering performance at a minimal expense. Heck, even the open source project, Overte, has been making progress again
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Thanks to such a great team and CTO, it cost me close to a million dollars
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Yes, I should stop supporting web2 people to start their own business and should stop being idealistic in the future. Shouldn't be giving support to furry community
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here we go again...
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It got old the moment people felt entitled to the false condition of "investor"
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What else do I need to explain to idiots who don't even know that the most basic application of cryptocurrency is shares?
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Thank you for the class, it was a bit expensive, but I deserve it for being such a dumbass!
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Try what your meta-universe would be like without cryptocurrency as the bottom layer. You deserve to live in the brave new world
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Firr tries that every day and is quite successful at it -
I feel most people usually are
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part of that seemed to be recourse from adding eac
but i guess it would need to keep adding things eventually, and it's definitely not bad - 09 April 2023 (4 messages)
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This is complete cherry picked rewriting of history. Standard discord nonsense. 🙄 -
irony
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Actual shares or faux shares?
- 10 April 2023 (8 messages)
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The real split in the community occurred in mid-December 2021 with the discord poll about NCR staking. There may have been internal stuff before then, but this was the first time publicly anyways that most people learned of a problem between the team. That was followed by months of silence from Froox and speculation on Twitter/Discord.
Investors hate uncertainty more than anything and IMO was the main driver of the price depreciation (along with overall decline in the crypto market at the time). The lack of communication by EVERYONE involved, including Karel AND Froox, was THE major problem from an investment perspective and why so many large holders, like FantomKnight and myself, ended up selling their bags.
So yes, I stand by my statement that posting a timeline with one post by Froox in February 2022 with no context, as if that absolves him of all responsibility prior to that point and lays the blame solely with Karel, is absolutely misleading. -
Ok sure, but I've seen that (or similar chart) and argument multiple times—not necessarily by you—to try making the point that it was all Karel and not Froox that led to the price drop
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Which is a dishonest argument. Blame is with the entire team
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And still is imo
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This whole situation is ridiculous
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None - 12 April 2023 (11 messages)
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Doing great!
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How’s it going your end sweetheart.
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lol. A friend of mine was just talking about converting an MRI scan for shits and giggles. Timing
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Man, no one cares about Neos so much, now this is happening
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"a VR-powered eye tracking tool"? Whaa
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"I play Neos"
"So you enjoy looking at brains things?"
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Its eye tracking stuff not MRI stuff
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ah... so it tracks the eyes to obeserve... ah okay
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I'll open a GitHub to request Neos support for Neos then :)
- 13 April 2023 (201 messages)
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be sure to keep us posted so it can get votes
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ohai
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Do you need vr for this tho? 🤣🤣
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I'd imagine so. atleast for the 'patient' in this case. observers or someone guiding through might not. I haven't looked into it much but it specifically mentions ' using built-in VR-based eye-tracking'
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Nah that can never be accurate
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The brain scan itself probably good but eye tracking for diagnosis nah
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Then half gen z will be diagnosed so they can make TikTok video about it
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🤣
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"your eye tracking data is not normal here u go diagnosis autism"
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I mean it is a partnership with a vr headset maker (Varjo). Tracking eye movements, patterns and reactions to various stimulus is part of how some of those are diagnosed
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If it was a brain scan only, this article probably wouldn't exist as is? part of the point is that it is using VR technologies
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That's a bad idea imo for diagnosis
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okay
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People get diagnosed way too much so adding vr as a method of diagnosis not good
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That's the reason why social disability income no longer exists
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Way too many people have autism
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And they can work perfectly fine according to the government job rehabilitation system
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The diagnosis needs to be made way stricter
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Especially on tiktok
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what?
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Nah I see it going the wrong way already
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They made a joke out of it
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Like those online tests
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Wow that's a bad take.
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More factual data means less fake diagnoses in my opinion.
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The take "oh yea but others might get diagnosed too, so i am less special" isn't the point of this at all.
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No
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That is an oversimplification to say the least. The point is to improve diagnosis by allowing much better examination and being able to record the results and relook at them. Current diagnosis takes place in person and done mostly manually.
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People self diagnose or get stupid opinions from doctors that want only money. Has nothing to do with factual data.
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Everyone has a disability now adays this will just further exaggerate it or something
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Time to call it ability
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Not sure on how well the what sounds to be machine learning portion will be as it'd need quite a lot of data before becoming useful. Even if that is a flop the data collection for diagnosis should much better.
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Or time to punish the ones with diagnosis disability by forcing them into a less than minimum wage environment or else homeless that will make people think twice about faking it
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Well, human beings suck, we are fragile and have a lot of problems. Humans are apes with anxiety, because we are trying to scratch on the limits of what biological brains was meant to do
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Netherlands has done this
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The ones that faking it without evidence are kind of totally different from the one that get diagnosed with it by any reasonable scientifical methode
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Way less diagnosis now
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You know ein euro jobs right here it's called participation act
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Ah yes, punish the weakest so others don't want to get diagnosed... great..
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Good job..
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Using vr for diagnosis people think it's nice but then they get diagnosis and then stuck to less than minimum wage jobs forever
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Cheap labor for the government it's called
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Not good
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Sounds like slavery to me and missuse of power but you do you
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Tell that to the Netherlands government
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Netherlands
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Here you get put in a participation act job
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Diagnosis doesn't bring good over here
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It only makes things more terrible
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I don't life there, but netherlands i am hard pressed to even believe you. As far as i know they have very similar take on social security then most other european country and that is: you don't starve, die of illness or exposure, no mather if you work or not
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It's like a criminal record
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You don't starve because there is food banks yes
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So... from this, is is insane to believe that people get forced into under minimum wage jobs
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Participation act look it up
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"The Dutch Participation Act (Participatiewet, in Dutch) has been drawn up to guarantee everybody's right to access to work, to make sure that work-disabled people also can find a job. The jobs agreement (in Dutch) is part of the Dutch Participation Act. According to the jobs agreement, employers in the market sector must supply 100,000 jobs for work-disabled people by 2026."
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Levenslang in de bijstand door Participatiewet: Het verhaal van Esmee - Kassa - BNNVARA
Voor mensen die werken en van een klein inkomen rond moeten komen zijn het zware tijden. Het kabinet kwam dit jaar met een recordbedrag aan koopkrachtmaatregelen. Voor veel mensen betekent dit dat ze nu iets meer geld te besteden hebben. Maar is het genoeg? Esmee (23) blijft haar hele leven in de...
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Google translate it
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That's what a diagnosis gets you
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They removed ssdi
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So you no longer get government ssdi
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Only municipality jobless income which is made as hell to force you into a job as soon as possible
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Imagine being stuck in poverty
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Not allowed to save more than 6k total
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Working for money is punished selling things is punished
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You get put in unemployment the same system as normies
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Normies at least can get a normal job from it
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But with diagnosis you stay stuck in it because less than minimum wage since participation act
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Thats not what the participation act is about. If they dropped support for people that can't work, thats not that law in the least^^
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It's like they count being in participation act because diagnosis as unemployed
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You mean people that can't move
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I been to the place they explained it
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Only people that can't move are counted as unable to work
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If you can move you can work
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If diagnosis then participation act
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Diagnosis causes permanent poverty
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So whats the issue. That there is no particular law made for the chronical ill to make a good living but instead being on the social security list for unemployed?
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Yeah
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That has nothing to do with each other. Thats not what this law is about at all. There is a law missing to support the ones that can't work. But they didn't thought of it being nessesary, because everyone unemployed gets social protection anyway
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With the old ssdi you could move to another country there was no limit on saving there was no not allowed to sell items
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Once a year you need to buy something with the savings else if you go over they take away the unemployment
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It's still probably illegal but you can not save for things over 6k
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Well, if you don't life in the country where you are supported from, you probably don't get the support for long anymore. And the reason for social security limits on ownership is to make sure that people that decide they don't want to work don't get rich of not working. That actually was a problem here
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People with disability get treated the same as people that are unemployed money wise
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The people with disability should get a total different treatment, yea, but i can't vote for the netherlands
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Germany got this system too
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And austria, but to totally different extends
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This is all that easy diagnosis gives you
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No, that laws are since like... as far as i remember
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Social security is the last step if you are not proven to be very sick AND don't get a job for a very long time
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It doesn't appear that the second you have some diagnosis you are removed from whatever assets or job you have and forced into it. It seems to be more a system that catches people who are unable to work because of a disability to help them either locate a job that fits their ability or atleast provide a minimum to survive as far as food goes
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Then you get payed everything inkluding food, living, basic added benefits, in exchange for you proving that you can't sustain yourself
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So that social security is the last step and is only applied to the ones that don't get other benefits already that make them able to sustain themselfs
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They should make that system here too
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I don't know if thats different in the netherlands or germany
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Here you got 2 types one is short term disability like broken arm or something and long term is jobless income which goes via municipality
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But this doesn't apply to the life long sick here in the same way. Yes they get social security as well, but they get additional help too
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The short time disability one is nice you get 70% of last income and no limit on saving and selling items
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Long time disability is the unemployment one which is made so you don't want to be in it for long
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Makes sense ofc
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But the one for people with disability that is nice is removed
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The thing about social security is, its a choise. If you don't want to prove your income, you get the very minimum of base income that is just enough to simply sustain yourself. That may be... 1200€
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But if you prove you are forced to life in this particular home, because you have no other, you need a new washing machine, or you can't clean yourself, you need a new bed, because you can't afford one... THATS where social security gets in
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Thats the unemployment one here yes
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Where you prove what you don't have and its given to you if required.. in exchange you have to prove what you really have
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Anyhow I will gently mention that this is no longer on topic for this channel as it has moved away from the VR tech originally posted about. (4.2)
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Haha, sorry, yes delta ;)
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Well to that... i think its a great extension of making people aware and doing preliminary diagnoses
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Also since it appears to partly be going in circles
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And yes, the final diagnoses has to be obviously done by a doctor in the end
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And then life ruined forever on unemployment with all the laws that come with it
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😔
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But its a great tech to get people "hey, there might be something wrong with you. see a doctor"
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If nothing else. improvements to the eye tracking would likely come to other devices and platforms anyhow
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In my country, a dignoses has absolutly nothing to do with anything negative for you
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In fact, you don't have to tell your boss if you are sick at all, by law
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higher resolution and high frame rates to get more accurate eye tracking
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Thats patient confidentiallity
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You only get unemployment when you are under 6k in sai gs so if you have more you need to spend that first on living and no not allowed to buy something expensive with it because they check and calculate how long the over 6k you got lasts
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Not if you are unemployed... if you are on social security
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Social security is not unemployment benefit
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two things
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We got no social security here
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thats bad... well here social security is: "if you need it you got it, in exchange you have to tell us what you have, everything. If you have to much, you don't get anything more then unemployment benefit"
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its an extra for the severly unfortunate and poor
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Is that a one time thing?
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No, you have to apply for it and someone helps you with all your expenses and income and payes for everything that you need. If you don't comply with the rules you back on basic benefits
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Ah yes we got that here too
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It's when you got debt
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Like a new bed, new heater, new... think of things that cost like 20.000$ that noone on benefits could ever buy
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No more own bank account only budget of 50€ a week yeah
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If you need such things, you have to prove that you really need the money they give you
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Must be nice there then
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I mean, noone really wants to be on social security. It has the assigned feeling of failed and noone would overshare being on it. But its important its there to catch you if you really mess up
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If you hit rock bottom, this catches you.
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50€ a week
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well no, unemployment benefit or rater "emergency help" (i hope i translated that right) is always 1200€
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Lucky
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I should flee there once I become homeles because of the system here
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I'm gonna do it
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haha, yea perhaps. Austria is nice, but you also need to be citizen. Otherwise you only get help from immigration ;)
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i think thats somewhere closer to 800€ a month, but you are automaticly in social security
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When life is already ruined then that's a fresh start
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sure it is, it is meant to be that
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But I hope to get a job remotely that is in Germany then I hopefully get not put in unemployment
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Unemployment and social security are both choises
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always...
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I have 1 year or less than now 11 months to get a job till the short term disability income is over
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Vr job in Germany
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In my city we have a single, well known begger. He is even citizen
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He doesn't want social benefits of any kind
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So... well... he chose to actually life on the street ;)
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I wouldn't either if it had so many rules and laws
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Well, i mean the laws are reasonable in my opinion. If you finally get out of the hole of social security, that means holding a job, you have a higher income automaticly and are no in it by default
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My hope is that they change this law so I can have my job remotely in Germany with income from there and regular income not unemployment
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Hmm, yea. I hope it works out for you and where you life. But i have to say. I understand people not wanting to follow rules and laws, but there is a reason the only begger is known by name, isn't there
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And also proves that you can choose to not follow the rules, if you are ok with the consequences. And you don't die of hunger obviously, because that 1200€ is way enough for beer ;)
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In Germany the ein euro job is like it you get paid 1 euro from the job and the rest paid from unemployment
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yes, that 1€ jobs are basicly just a means to reinsert people back into the job market. People that do it chose to do so, because technically there is no advantage for them, beside being back at work.
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usually its a way to get back into a regular job
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Over here it's calculated so it might be 3 euro or 4 from the job and the rest is from unemployment but I really hope they change the law and make it if you work full time at a job you get paid from something else from the government that isn't unemployment laws
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Since you are still working the 40h
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So isn't fair to still rely on unemployment
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Here you can work a hand full of hours in addition to benefits, but not much. If you work full time, you have to make sure that full time job can support you obviously
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Or the job has to pay full salary but that is difficult when having diagnosis and in participation act
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Ofc if the job pays full then everything is fine too
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Maybe I should demand getting paid full
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If they don't wanna then I did everything I could and then I will be refugee
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well, you obviously can work and life in another country as well
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So first getting job then asking paid full salary from job if answer no then flee to osterreich
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haha, yea. Well or you work remotely and go in a country that has very low cost of living ;)
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Nah Russia has strict boarder control now so can't
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well, russia wasn't on my list of countries i would go to life in peace at the moment
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Actually would my diagnosis be valid in another country if not then problem solved automatic get paid everything from the company
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Fleeing to osterreich would solve it all in one go then
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but people from russia at the moment get actual added immigration benefits, because they can prove they would get possibly killed if they get back (everyone male and relative young can claim that at the moment)
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Yeah they told me about that
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Many friends moved
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Higher cost of living now they say
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yea, cost of living increased by around 10%, but so did payments of jobs
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its good to have a strong workers society where such things go automaticly... or there will be strikes (never really happens)
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....parden my french, but what the <REDACTED> does this have to do with Neos other than the matching name of a research project?
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bruh... did you even read the article?
It has nothing to do with the metaverse. If anything, it does, however, raise a good point of concern with increased biological data being made available on various services, since the Vario is like jam-packed with stuff if I recall, and we could see this becoming the new norm -
I can speak to what they're doing here and in these cases they very much can and need to do this stuff. They're automating testing for a number of very serious brain conditions that can be found by movements of the eyes. This is actually taking subjective measures (a human observing) and throwing an objective data layer ontop of that assessment
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So... similar to like the eye checks by medical personnel after an accident, but for more deeper analysis?
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It's similar to how we use ECG testing to validate heart trouble. The ECG outputs wave forms and a doctor examines those wave forms to find heart attacks or arithmyia etc
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If you're against this I just simply do not know why. Go do the research.
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For me, I'm a sucker for data and being able to visualize it in exciting ways. I don't have a fancy ECG, but heart rate information is pretty snazzy to play around with, especially with their cheap availability.
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...Actually, didn't Varjo partner with someone last year for BCI stuff? I wonder if that can/is used in conjunction with the eye data
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Alex appears to have not read the article and jumped to conclusions.
I also have some of the tests this app will do implemented in actual neos and we have an expert in the area in the community. -
Hmm....
So, this was something that was brought up back during my time with HiFi: we actually had a few therapists come in with high interest of integrating VR support as a means of alternative remote sessions (mind you, this was back in 2017, so non-pandemic related). A concern was the legal requirements of security and data retention (namely, no logs or something manageable). -
There is also the possibility of using this to replace the subjective roadside alcohol assessment which can have bias. The way your eyes move is very out of your conscious control in so many ways
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hmm... that could be interesting, but I could also see it being concerning within current VR use cases. For example, say a club has an 'eye checker' that monitors for 'overly intoxicated' eye movements. While handy for preventing people from getting sloshed, it's also a bit earie knowing the information is presented and that accessable, even if it improves the experience
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Oh it wouldn't be suitable for that
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Plus clubs can make their own rules and if they are dumb no one goes
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Pretty much these but automated, faster and objective rather than subjective
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You can just YouTube voms for pages of these videos
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Oh infact here is the one I did in actual neos https://youtu.be/hiYC_76PIik
- 14 April 2023 (12 messages)
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By the way, I can confirm that by default, ellipticals are not great joysticks.
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moon soon
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*sigh*
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What new partner? As far as i know the two parties have still not solved their internal troubles and none of the owners have left. As such new partners would obviously be counter productive right now?
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Its asking for new computers and a printer in the middle of a hostage situation... "excuse me, you with the gun. Can you talk to my boss about a raise?"
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Solid strategy. :3
- 16 April 2023 (20 messages)
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So baggi, what do you plan on doing with your coins when they have worth again?
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When it rises from the dead 💀👉🫥
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Hmm... given the situation thus far, many contacts of mine have begun to lose hope that anything will ever change. I've already have started to double my workflow by planning my works to be placed on another system that gives more control, mostly in part to avoid what befallen this one.
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Data rot is starting to occur, the lemmings that flood this channel who only care about a dead coin, and a 'CEO' who clearly only cares about the death of his own creations, the general outlook on the platform and the poor knowledge on the situation resulting in lost hope... need I go on with what I keep hearing?
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at what point do we have to wait until the legal entity's organization defaults to "This person doesn't exist." because of all this?
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I mean, let's be real: no matter how you put it, Karel is acting like a complete child.
If his 'investors' care, then they should be furious he's still funding a system that he CLEARLY has an issue with, and thus burning their money.
And people who use the platform are furious because they are watching every other platform basically speed on by with progression all because of the halted development.
As a leader, he's absolutely failed, especially when he basically doxxed himself by releasing the PDF receipts for when Neos was at it's first possible second wind moment. -
for someone who's about to be a father, he isn't acting like a man.
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"Oh, I want someone to replace me." THen leave, genius.
"But they have to be worthy of my position." You clearly don't care.
"I don't want to make my investors upset." Beggers don't get to be choosers. -
Nothing stopping a Neos user who can code to write a plug-in to implement there own tokens XD so why ncr -
But how’s everyone
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Why fork the coin the code in it is outdated and abysmal and has a few security flaws but ignoring those for a second it’s just a basic coin where the mint and all transactions was manual compared to other coins it’s inferior
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Eh, could be better. Been remaining optimistic, but reality is knocking on my door and I'm realizing I need an escape plan still.
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Did print out a Vive mount for a Logitech keyboard, which will let me track it in VR
- 17 April 2023 (193 messages)
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1) the current token is on a old solidity version
2) no protection against reentrancy attacks such as malicious calls to transfer or transfer from functions and calls back to the contract before the first call completes causing unexpected behaviour
3) no negative balance protection and the contract does not check for this at all
4) unchecked return values such as transfer. And transfer from are not checked so they can return false even if transaction is successful causing errors and confusion
5)lack of input validation at all for transfer transfer from and approve
6) lack of good overflow protection sure basic safe math implementation is all right for few years ago but this can cause issues in balance mapping
Sure saying to everyone you don’t know what your on about might work most the time but man I decided to humour your little comment as I’m bored and tired and I’m just a programmer, also henceforth I’ll ignore any other convos just trolling from you as it’s kinda just annoying -
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Linka knows what they are talking about so does prime
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Conversational confusion doesn't mean that someone doesn't know something it just means your questions or topic are confusing or easily mistaken.
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I'm talking about conversations in general
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Oh the mint is manual that’s been confirmed multiple times by team and Karel also the approval of withdrawals from the game there also was some time where they was trying to push for it to be automated but probable can probably clarify that
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And I was just talking about flaws in the contract itself the code. Behind the token
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Have u not read the smart contract behind the token ? The code that makes it function aka the solidity file or .sol
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No clue 🤷♀️ but it’s a template with mish mash parts. By the looks of it https://etherscan.io/token/0xdb5c3c46e28b53a39c255aa39a411dd64e5fed9c#code#L1 that’s what I’m looking at the code. Page for the contract solidity 0.4 which is heavily out of dateNeos Credits (NCR) Token Tracker | Etherscan
Neos Credits (NCR) Token Tracker on Etherscan shows the price of the Token $0.0783, total supply 50,000,000, number of holders 4,911 and updated information of the token. The token tracker page also shows the analytics and historical data.
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...I turn away... for less than 3 hours...
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I’m not part of the team just a normal user I just learned. Solidity as I was bored And had nothing else to do. Plus what’s wrong with having a extra skill
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Solidity programming is very easy, doing it securely is another thing.
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the entire concept of a virtual runtime using so many nodes hurts my head
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That’s the part I had to spend the most time on. Implementations of security methods without breaking something else later on
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I'm guessing that'd entirely be on Karel to deal with, since he has the wallet files, and thus the private keys needed to correctly handle such? Though I'm guessing you can snapshot publicly, but for applying fixes...
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.....anyone can just... update the token's code...?
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that's... just forking... I mean... the original NCR's code would still be running, and the snapshotted one with the newer code would just be its own thing, based on the values from previous... Not sure how that really fixes the core issue of the platform being stuck in the mud
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that wasn't what I was shocked about at all. Forking stuff and doing something elsewhere isn't new. My concern, as it was perceived by original reading, that ANYONE could modify the original contract's code and have it applied to the same primary track, ie the original NCR token
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