Hi @LinkaIndustries Generating a certificate for this subdomain is a little complicated and since it would require time and resources, we don’t currently plan on updating it. Hope that clears it for you.☺️

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I have to say that i have to be on Lucaedr's side in this. To configurate an automated certificate generation... everyone gets that done. I don't see why this would be an issue. The programmer team that could not access this, build a workaround in the software they could access. So this is inability or being lazy. I don't think this should be an issue.

Thanks for some clarification on the issue, since the cert is was about to expire as it stands anyways. And uses a broad *.Neos.com cert validating any subdomain but only has the main TLS cert ending in 12 days the issue seems to be cert is there chain cert 1 and 2 but missing root certificate.

So when the main one runs out for Neos.com in 12 days will that be renewed ?

should one worry about their data snapping out of existence? at least if it is no longer able to be accessed, that would effectively be the same as 'gone'

well, if you worried, you can download it all on the neos website

there is a specific command/menue entry for that

12 days is really low. Businesses usually renew a certificate long before it is that close to expiration

that doesn't inspire confidence, not that there was any in the first place

Programmer team does have access, the generation is done in Azure backend. They just didnt bother to renew it.

Well, if thats the case you have to do wonder why they would take the more complicated way, seams strange, but as i don't know the whole story i guess i have to wait for that answer until it is given.

Out of spite and to manufacture a problem to blame it on me as usual. Not surprising or something to meditate upon.

I see. Well if true, its petty. I guess its one way to force the issue in some way, in the end its just a question of time before it collapses after so much time of total standstill. I really hope that something will move soon, maybe in a better way then that.

probably total collapse of neos gives everyone more room to do something else :P

Yes, you are actually right, that is pretty much what it is. I definitly would prefer a different thing happening, but after so much time, it might be just the only resonable solution.

then what? a phoenix "rise from the dead" event?

obviously speculation gets nowhere but amazingly no one has been correct lmao

The thing i have learned in the IT field over the year... a system that at least works to a point, even if its slow, prone to failure, unstable, inconvenient and time consuming... it is not changed

Until the thing finally crashes down in flames and something can be done about it

sounds like twitter

I don't like this kind of problem solving, but i think Karel is exhausted from all that infighting. There is a child on the way and the programming team is sabotaging if what he says is true. BUT it doesn't look like he has his own programming team or an actual plan to continue that project (sorry karel, i mean a plan that actually goes forward and makes progress)

So i mean... in the end everything beats a stand still

then i don't think that is the solution at all anymore

it doesn't seem like anyone intends to resolve it

well, two years is plenty of time to find a suitable resolution, but there hasn't been one

ignoring anything more legal which i cannot hope to understand

Karel is still responsible for minting NCR, right? Some people didn't receive NCR when minting. How can they contact him? Is he a scammer?

I am sure that they will get the ncr. That was never the problem

Wait is neos about to expire?

Bruh I still use it sometimes to build buildings

Especially khrusovkas and brezhnevkas my favorite architecture

Nah it can't expire because neos is still being used a lot

Or does it mean that the cloud files get deleted? But local storage mod exists so I guess I have to save things there now

It means the linked references will no longer be secured, specifically for https and other secured communications in a very oversimplified way

So the website, for example, will be dead, if only due to modern browsers frowning upon http communication and usually throw warnings

However, it's data will be safe... For now.

Yup. This also means the only official site NCR is mentioned on, including hosting the white paper, will also be gone.

Oh well, no more moon, only dead certificates and a person paying for servers no one can access anymore.

Is there already a neos replacement that allows you to do the same things in it that I don't know of

depends on what features you are wanting.
If you just want basic socializing, ChillOut or VRChat.
If you want to keep developement in-world, Overte or Vircadia.
This is assuming the function of VR being included, natively.

Overte 🤔

There is Somnium but... I haven't tried it, despite it being part of the Virtual Reality Blockchain Alliance.

Nah that requires crypto last time I checked

again, last member of the VRBA

Overte looks promising tho

It's actively maintaned by a dedicated group of people, and the source code can be downloaded at anytime. They also pledged to never go down the crypto route, despite its pedigree

Good

I 'think' Vircadia went down the crypto route, but they have the bonus of having a webbased rendering system

uh..... okay, I'm a bit confused....

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https://house.mathverse.xyz/#/cyborg/683

This guy wants to make games with AIGC

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lets see how much responsibility dev team have

im quite sure they will not pay a penny for this game

poor Froox..

not sure how responsibility and finances relate...

yep lets see

im saying, what if its not enough?

personal patroen yeah

lets see what happens then

so?

not what im saying

this project is gonna get out of balance soon

lack of users, but heavy loaders

patreon? kk

there's gonna money needed soon

even elementary will know that

so, if no wallet, what happens?

who's gonna finance for it

patreon?

not sustainable enough

do u think this project is gonna be financially surplus??

yeah.. no users need to worry about that

its the management who needs to worry

patreon....

thats not sustainable

wallet's balance.. ok for now

thats what ceo did to make this keep go on

one thing that can be said as Karel's work..

anyway

its only just a makeshift

haha... so another 200 months with 200 users?

yeah. if we can make mo more new users to come, we can last for another 200 months!

who actually has any plan for sustainable growth?

not talking about this but..

hope anyone gets in charge for management

any one kk

so who's in charge if this project goes bankrupt-like situation?

also true..

kkkkk

funny

lets just assume,
after the dev team is in charge and the project got bankrupt within 5 years, who will be the last one to stand?

that is the only statement we all ageee

this is like a start-up kind of project, which needs cash injection for sure

who's gonna keep on investing?

magical fairy isnt real guys

cash was problem actually, its just not on surace

cash is the head of all problem

yeah

how long will they be volunteers

like for how long?

volunteer for 30 years?

thats what we say not sustainable

thats charity lol

this isnt charity

maybe u r

i know what u guys are willing to say

but there will be time when u realize reallity bites

yep

its just not a problem for now

yeah..

100x more users

they did

a lot

external investment is the best solution

yepyep

thats just boring topic now kk

always same talks

i hope the next management has strategies

will Karel exit his equity? hmm....

coding error kk

so this is what Karel's looking for

who's gonna be the man in charge to male this project revive

thats called no man in charge

sharing responsibility is 100% way to make this pjt ruin

i have seen lots of projects broke like that kk

even 2 c-level made this ruined;;

why wait?

ok.... so Karel leave and everythings gonna be fine... is not reallity

Karel leaves
-> next problem starts

next problem (idk) will also be disaster

hmm...

new ceo?

it can....

no ceo for a month -> anyone who doesnt care becomes new ceo

this is the risk of no ceo

need to make sure in business

who's gonna be the next ceo?

yeah exactly

in what process does the

next ceo

gets decided?

by the way, is there anyone volunteering for ceo?

maybe Froox?

aha. confirm can be a new agreement

Froox CEO is not a bad option i think too..

Froox will need to learn a lot more than now kk

maybe he can become a full stack businessman?

i feel like he would rather not have to deal with that extra work on his own

anyway Froox&Karel is the only one who has actual money here..

test?? not enough time for that

so if Fropx thinks its just a admin

.....

thats why Karel is worried

maybe, temporary ceo for a year would do fine?

lile a test year

who would pay for it :P

temporary Froox ceo, but Karel on the board for a year also

that would compromise i guess

not our problem
two years is a long time, if that was a solution it would be happening, at least a year ago

time has changed some situation here

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no, because he's got nothing better to do

also... why is that that 99% of the time there's an explosion of messages here, it's filled to the brim with constant 3 word messages.
There is shift enter on PC... and I think mobile just accepts the return as 'new line' without submitting unless typing with an actual keyboard

maybe a bit closer to real-time conversation style?

Perhaps...

or rather just not a lot to say at any given moment

anyway, here are my 5 cents on the matter (which is worth just about a single NCR at this point):
People seem to forget that the main NeosVR Patreon's value has been going downhill for... a long while, ever since all this drama started. Personal patreons were created, but they're just that: personal, often without a full productive goal. The thing is, the NeosVR Patreon is... just that: The NeosVR Patreon. Despite that is who receives the funding at this time, it isn't the Karel Patreon.

Should things be resolved, It'd be a safe guess that ownership of that Patreon would shift over to the new CEO for financial management, given that it is a Patreon for the organization, not the individual (but the money has to go somewhere). It'd be questionable if ETH acceptance would remain depending on further outcomes.

at this point, I'm happy every day that it still exists

I don't think froox as a ceo is a good idea. Its like me being ceo. There are developers that can be both obviously, but i have yet to met a good one that is. Realitity being that being a CEO is so much different from being a dev and has a completly different group of people that do it. But i think there are a lot of CEO's that would fit the bill. To say "none can be found" is a lie. It just needs to be someone who does it as a job^^

Different from why it needs froox. You need the one with the vision and you cant buy them.

This, ironically, was proven by Karel's own statements...

My point being... you can buy a CEO... as in someone who just knows what he is doing. Doesn't need to be a visionary neesesarily

But neos can't just be made by a group of random programmers. Neos was made as a vision of a person and for all the help that we can give froox with programming parts he wants, noone can make the product "just like that"

Yea, the pig bot is really a problem^^

Yea... i am with that. At this point it doesn't even mather even more how it goes forward. If it breaks, it breaks. Perhaps that would finally break the stale mate and make the different people free to finally go forward with their life and projects

Hey, people are unique. There are people that maybe can do both, i just never met them. But i can tell you what programmers have in common that are good in my opinion. They are concentrated on a single problem at a cost of "less important" things. They don't care that much for money, but the challenge, the idea. They are fine in a closed room for month, communication with team, banks, doing boring things every month? Nope

Most make horrible ceo's but still are nesseary

The thing is: is the fact the 'CEO' position of Neos being the management of finances a choice? In otherwords, could anyone else be able to manage the finances that is already part of the team?

Yes, probably. There are a lot of people from the team that would fit the bill perfectly

The real infight isn't about finances, even if it looks like that on the surface. Its about the ownership of the code

Froox sees it all as his child, he doesn't care "who owns" the code, its his vision, his heart blood

Thats not how karel sees that, as a product that is owned by their shared company

And he is probably not even wrong with that, hey that is how law sees it

But its a product that has nearly no worth as a product. Without froox that very product is just a big, horrible pile of code.

So while technically karel is right, for any practical use... its still frooxes

What baffles me is why liquidation hasn't been put on the table...
Just put the code, as it stands, as the version both parties get. As both parties are entitled to 50% of the company, just saying both own the code as it stands means neither party really gets more than the other.

As for the data of the company... that's tricky.

Data, as one could say in the current digital age, is invaluable.

So yea, in my opinion it boils down to this. I don't think karel is wrong saying that the code is company property, but that also means that froox isn't patching new things in, because that would be like paying in the shared bank account with your EX

I don't know... for me its unimportant for neos itself.

Hey, i can only speculate. I have absolute no real inside. But if i was froox i would have used that time to do a rewrite of the neos code. In the end neos ISN'T text in files. Its the knowledge behind it

And i met him multiple time in neos in the last years (as a guest in his worlds, nothing more). So he is active

Well, i never met him ingame, but neos is big. Froox was definltly online in a public world yesterday ;)

And i don't think he is just hanging out

being open source and decentralized would be a death knell to Neos.

The thing is, the only person who can appoi- wait a minute...

No, it's people. Plural. Froox and Karel both have 50% of the company. Karel says only he can appoint the new CEO, but... that's not really true. It'd require Froox to also agree, since without the last 50%, the vote would be at an impasse.

and FFS, that means it gets even MORE depressing... both parties do not hold the same thing of importance. Karel wants a CEO to replace his duties and also uphold his stance with NCR. Froox just wants to keep development going, and while I can't speak on his behalf, considering all the stuff that has unfolded, including attempting to put Neos into a market it wasn't ready for, fairly certain NCR upkeep isn't on the table due to negative association.

In otherwords... we might have several impasses that all require different solutions, but must all share the same quality to pass all of them.

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Welcome! If you're looking for a discussions/support related to the Neos game, I recommend joining the Neos discord at https://discord.gg/NeosVR

Neos' hardware support is always changing if youd like to see a device supported drop it on our GitHub as a feature request. Thank you

am already there. thanks for the info ^^

Dunno, Probably not is my guess? Neos isn't a blockchain/web3 based game and that seems to be the target for that console. Specs for it don't appear to be available nor does it sound like a functional prototype is ready yet. I don't see any mention of VR titles. From some digging it does seem some amount feasible given it is running some flavor of Linux and will have some Nvidia GPU in it

Potentially as some side loadable thing assuming the hardware is otherwise capable.

I mean, the Linux build is somewhat stable, but one issue would be that the VR functions are based on the Oculus SDK and the SteamVR SDKs. If Polium One doesn't comply to either, then it doesn't matter who owns Neos: it needs to at least conform to some OpenVR standard.

If Karel truly just wanted out like he says, he would have ditched already.

hmm... true

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Is there still no new CEO?

And this is why this group is hardly treated seriously...

Neos still has a $4-5M cash treasury. The on-chain part which is ~$3M hasn’t moved

Tbh a few buybacks now would probably be quite good. Price is crazy low

~$60 million worth of Eth was already dumped on buy backs, I kinda have little faith in it getting any better. Unless your goal is to make a quick sell, which, fair play I guess xP

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...wait a minute....

Is that an alt account or imposter amongus?

I think they have been here before

We need an announcement thats is possitive

And things could change rapidly

Where are you karel?

Hmm so whoever becomes the new CEO inherits the remaining money right?

Someone is gonna become a millionaire

Or debt 😂

Does that mean the new CEO will be responsible for all the legal things too?

Technically they then have millions in their possession so meaning millionaire tax

That's probably why it's really important to get a CEO that knows how to do money

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Doubt a new CEO will be gifted Karel's ownership, unless receiving a % is part of the deal

But no % transfer means no updates

I doubt neos team will agree to update again if only a new CEO is appointed but the share not

Because new CEO will change nothing

Neos team wants majority share to guarantee that they will have full control over the game

It's still about who owns the game that is important to remember

I think froox should get the majority percentage so we get updates again and CEO be appointed for the finances and everything

That's the right thing to do

We all want to play neos again

Why should I give my share of the company I founded to someone who is blackmailing me and holding users hostage, not gonna happen. Frooxius should continue developing NeosVR client as I am continuing to run the cloud or hand over or open source its code.

Any of the three solutions would be great.

Next Whitepaper update coming soon will include monetary awards for Froox and/or other devs to stimulate further development and get them funded.

I already am thanks for asking, its the most wonderful thing ever. 😊

Frooxius is still Global Admin of the cloud I’m Billing Admin however the contract overall is to Solirax who is paying for it

Congratulations!

Frooxius failed to renew certificates and switched to domains not using our Cloudflare aubscription that saved us a lot of money

Now we are paying orders of magnitudes more for bandwith

Another try to rack up cloud expanses

I don’t have control over NeosVR client code thats where the domains are set

Why do I have zero control?

I’m one of the admins and my company is contracted with Microsoft

Im also the one who is paying for the cloud

What would happen if you didn't pay it?

It would be shut down

Have you asked Froox to restore Cloudflare services? Based on the bills you shared, Solirax is further into the red and that can't be sustainable

Would they switch back then

No he knows very well, Cloudflare was his idea

When white paper update? Time frame estimate?

Its already done just minor improvements left a few weeks

Andrea is not directly working with certificates

Again I’m not in control of what domains NeosVR uses as Frooxius says that the code is his personal ownership and not the companies for some totally bizzare reason

Because noone renewed it

Yeah they will only update neos once code ownership is guaranteed

To rack up out bills

For code ownership to be guaranteed froox wants majority share

Else what he adds might be for nothing

We are 50/50 founders dont see why that would be fair

Because he needs Majority share so he owns the code legally that way

Frooxius failed to understand that this is not his personal play thing but a company

He wants to own the code legally too

Why should he own the code, the company ownes that normally in any other startup

Makes no sense

isn't froox the main contributor?

I want a jumping castle with a double rainbow 😂 jesus

You own bank account and developer owns code? Should be fixed. Developer should have 50 50 bank account money

No it all owns the company

Its not a marrige

Its a separate legal entity

Contractor has words in contract for this?

For one the cert renewal process on this domain should clearly be automatic, second the person who uses the endpoint should do it

not for other contributors which there are many
then how much of the code isn't in dispute?

If I mess up the endpoint then I’m gonna be stoned to death

Its cleary Frooxes task to keep the endpoint up

Yes im paying for the cloud

Why different

It is

You are personally paying? Or is company

You see cloud runs only if you pay for it if you dont know

I’m personally paying on behalf of Solirax as its director

No

How would renewing help when the client is no longer using the enpoint?

because it had not been renewed?

And why is that?

Why didnt Froox renew it?

It costs more now

Because that enpoint is a microsoft domain outside of Cloudflare DNS

are there multiple certs? there is this and another that was said to expire

Maybe there is a different reasons why the new one is chosen by froox

I cant switch endpoints you very well know that

Do developers still work for the company?

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard

Changing a domain doesn't change bandwidth

It does. Cloudflare is a caching CDN

no one is contracted now i think

It just changes what sting on numbers points to a string of letters

Not to that extent

Lack of communication

I have messes around with it before myseld

We were using Cloudflare Pro plan to cache blob storage files

Azure blob egress is more expensive than Cloudflare

don't think any have affiliation anymore

I frankly had it with these snakes on this plane

Dosn't change how munch is being made. It would not be constant spike up going up and up. It would be recahced eventually ND would go back to normal which dosn't seem to be what is being implied here

Or I could shut down the cloud that would save even more

who knows, i only hear that the other can do it

then both can?

Will we lose our stuff then?

No gratitude from noone, many people got CDFT cashed nice money all on Neos Team and zero grwtitude only blqckmail

They didn't say they made any money

Zero gratitude for me running things, all my ideas like better UI shat on for years

Yeah I agree we did need better ui

Offences on every meeting calling me Karen

So what will be the future of neos?

They can suck my ⚽️🏀

Bright

And open source as promised many years ago

How will you promise this?

Yes, we are well funded and will get throug this 🍪

White paper update sound good but will developer work with you after you say to suck balls?

I want better metaverse but sometimes seems bleak. Need hope.

It already was not been updated for 1 and half a year

Well didnt for two years of no sucking

Ok will do

Will there be staking update in new white paper?

Any other news? We need news

The domain was removed all together

Will try to re-add it

Why is it so difficult to finally get one side pay out the other or split the code. Wishful thinking aside, cooperation will obviously not happen again and neos loses traction every day because of this standoff. I understand that both sides feel entitled to it, but why is it so difficult to finally accept that this is not working? I don't understand why this is still a thing after literally years..

I accept this not working very much 😄

I do understand both sides in this but none of you both have anything from this standoff. You both could do so much more then waiting for something that not happen, in my humble opinion

Fixing the cert issues is kind of like... fixing side mirror on a broken down car..

In what world would this happen? In the world where karel trusts froox and froox trusts karel to run his business again?

I’ve added the domain back

Thank you Karel

You just need to get the cert sorted now by the looks of it

It has a cert

it's showing as an invalid one

Wait for an hour and it will probably work, max 24 hours (thats theory, will not take this long)

it'll take time to refresh? I know DNS systems are like that for about an hour or so

Give it some time I’ve just added it

But really, i don't want to sound overbearing... but isn't there a way to get the ball rolling? This is pretty much just a bandaid on a unset break of a bone

I feel like you both are so talented and wasting your potential

I would love to know how

The upcoming update is our shot at it hope it will work

Update?

I love Neos, but its a name. I am sure froox would be ok doing without it, making a new project. And with you splitting you could make it open source and try to make what is called Neos into what you invisioned?

White paper update or different neos version?

Like froox without the name Neos but with the code he wants so much (and sees as his child)

That's wishful thinking

It would have happened already

But no 😔

Are you sure? If both would consent to dividing up that code in a prioritary and open source and going seperate ways in terms of project? I am pretty sure that would work and maybe one of the project fails at some point, but it gives it a chance to evolve?

Yeah was suggested a year ago

Exactly my thinking

I am happy you think so. So froox doesn't want that i take it? Hmm... i had the impression he cares more about his project then neos as a name

What do the incentives mean is it for like creating a new dev team or for existing dev team to update neos because only froox can do that

Its 300k usd for Froox

To kickstart development of NeosVR again

Froox and Karel pretty much own half of the code as far as i am aware. Froox thinks is his because he pretty much made it and obviously it would be really difficult to continue any develop with that code without him. Karel sees the code as a product of the company... what is pretty much also true, but it is pretty much worth way more for the one programming it

In terms of usefulness, thats why code is often given in exchanges to the one that made it (if it comes to payouts). Doesn't mean that they don't posess it at the same size or part

In the end, both want to go different ways with the code and its a total impass between open source and prioritary

It doesn't mather what he is to the company, he is also owner. Its not that complicated, he owns half of the company and half of the code from that standpoint

i like not seeing my projects as children, mostly because the mental idea of "giving birth to code" is something i will inevitably try to visualize and that hurts to think about

As far as i am aware, Karel isn't simply CEO but also owner of 50% of the company

Same as Froox isn't simply developer for the company but also owner of 50% of it

I could be wrong?

Exactly a person leaving can sell the share or keep it but not take its capital

Both of them have given heartblood in different way and i think none of them want to lose what they created

Do you think developer will take the money?

Dont think anyone is looking to buy Neos shares rn 😄

I hope so

I think Froox would never take the money, its a total impass with that

He might accept the loss of the name but never the code

Its not to buy the code please wait for the update

Its just to continue developing

I think with time lost 300k is 100k year salary

Pretty good salary for eu developer

Low for very good developer

I am happy for any update and i hope the best for you both with that change

Whatever it is

Especially within crypto space

Depends with update what else to come

How can I do that?

If froox takes the money, it changes everything for neos. Doesn't have to be bad. At this point i am even happy if any kind of split happens, seriously. I am pretty sure that even starting from scratch froox will build something awesome again and neos can continue on. But to be blunt, i still hope froox can continue to develop neos in some form.

At this point I would be willing to sell my share especially if Neos is open source or has good CEO

However not sure who would be buying

Oh important question please Karel. You say you to leave company before. Is this still your idea? Or you to change your mind on this subject. Please and thank you

Yea I would step down as CEO if we have another one I think it would help relations with Froox

Would you to leave company entire?

The thing about this is, its unlikely that there will be a CEO coming in into a company that is at a total standstill and standoff with no visible future... it might have a future if it continues but thats like this hen and egg problem, isn't it

You know I’m not the one who started throwing public tantrums on Twitter, I’m not sure what else Frooxius thought would happen other than hurting the company

Well its like saying "tomorrow if pigs fly i will buy one to ride to work"

Technically but legally no

Never figured out what the intention was but its clearly not working

Depending if neos code got legal protection

Or it is if the idea was to have a long holiday

Ah... please don't start this, we have a productive discussion

Well a burnout takes a few years to recover from

Before it all he was working really hard so I don't blame Jim from taking time off

Please we want good discussion and news

I am sure that both side said bad things

Well if you identify as animals its kinda nice for me to recognize you for such

Silence with these post

Agreed. We had things working in a peaceful manner. The API is restored. Progress has been made, and an attempt to restore trust is in progress.

Easton, you are probably not even wrong, but if thats all this boils down to, it would have been fixed long ago

Easton I’ll say this once just don’t continue that topic we are trying to have a peaceful discussion to talk calmly about the product and the future of the platform

I want to know if Karel CEO to leave team if there were to be new CEO. Where would you role be?

People say lots of things and i am sure both sides did their part in some way

If you call me Karen I’ll call you animals 😄

Thank you Easton. I know you mean well, but you also often a bit of a jerk... i mean that in the nicest way ;)

Btw I dont identify as a Karen

Ncr to be trusted with new CEO completely or Karel CEO is to be in company behind scenes to ensure

I identify as a human male called Karel, a name that I very much like and that has a long tradition in my family

Certs are healthy lets see what happens

This is obviously not about people playing their feeling of being an anthropomorphic animal. You would not go to the indians and say that they are insane of feeling their animal spirit guiding them. I am sure we can keep on track with the actual issues despite our different feelings^^

Ok back onto topic of future of the platform the api endpoint is working again already Did some requests to it and my code is working so all good

What if you did as incentive froox getting a additional share of neos?

So froox 51%

Silence with this

I understand that very well, and i understand you of being impatient

No

Were 50/50 founders not owners theres also investors now

Not sure what would 51 solve even if we could do it

Froox then has majority share

You see Karel update this is basic information so please silence

Well, i mean if one side would have 51% they would have majority and lead the future of neos while the other side still takes the cake of whatever success that entails, but also any loss

Exactly you get it

I still am wanting to know about this please if could answer karel

That 1% would be worth more than the 300.000$ incentive

What would exactly the 49% side get?

Minority share

Not sure how community will feel if you are gone

Of what

Neos

What does that even mean

Please ignore this user. He is troll

Yea, thats the thing with it, it means loss of control and as far as Karel is concerned, he is concerned (correct me if not) that frooxes team would run down the project into the ground

Good idea

So while Froox is not giving up his share because it would mean loss of the code in some way, Karel does not for fear of losing the project, investment and anything connected to it really

New ones. Or did rothenberg convert the assets in march ? Just curious about the investor part

Rothenbergs still got the note

No new ones can you imagine now

It was impossible before and now ludacris

Instead of facts going to insulting

Not if hes right

Ok just curious since the filing states 26 march 2023 to convert to equity or a repay so thanks for clarification

Not insult. This is basic information and waste of time

Yo’ve said things that make no sense in terms of company management

Its not wrong alex, its more that it will not happen because it is against what both parties are after

I understand that it is a theoretical solution, but so is selling the company for any of the both

Exactly so that's why they go insulting

I only see logic

What filing?

This information been said for 2 years. We are speaking of actual information.

The Rothenburg stuff was STILL happening? Ugh... that's both complicated and confusing...

Was talking about the old Solirax LTD page 10 creditors total exemptions full amount 2022 since there’s no up to date filings

That will be extended to my best knowledge I dont think we are delayed in filings right now

2022 is a recent one

Its only May 2023 now

Yea, its not overdue

You are not I apologise I mean no recent filings for clarification

I see I was worried we are overdue 😄

Man those are costly things these filings in the UK

Makes me cry every year 😂

No worries I would tell you if you was, and yeah I’ve dealt with company house before it’s a hassle

Thank you Linka much appreciated

But seriously, isn't there an incentive of both sides to actually split the company/code? I understand its difficult but, whats the incentive of any side to keep the status quo right now?

The same thing over and over again

Also what’s your opinions on snapshotting the chain and updating the contract code keeping balances and such and history and moving over to a new contract so we can update to contract code since there are some slight issues. And it’s a bit old version of solidity ?

I like this speaking to community. Maybe could be done once a week set time. Get moderator active deleting trolls and answer questions.

Interesting idea will look into it

Any vulnerabilities atm?

Some would you like my notes on a audit I did just for fun?

For sure thank you

It is a bit old at this time

Sent a message to you with my notes

Much appreciated thank you 🙏

Well, i hope for great news concerning the coming announcement. I am not sure how this stalemate ends, but i do hope soon.

It is nice that we have people from all around the world here, but please stick to english for the chat. Most people here don't speak english as their native language. They still try

User is fud

They said something along the lines “this coin will not survive