Doing so would be problematic

updating NCR honestly really isn't an issue right now. Frankly, I'm not even sure why there'd be a concern to even touch it if it's remaining functional, unless there was a desire to do a full fork of both the platform and its financial system... but there was hardly a tie to begin with, so nothing is exactly lost if one or the other collasped

it'd need to be done to transfer ownership if Karel resigns or whatever is implied he's gonna do

then.... okay? Then wouldn't the snapshot be taken when he resigns? Even then, not like the dev team or the new magical CEO would get the wallet file, unless it was marked as company property

why wouldnt they?

Considering it's been more than a year, the 'lord and savior' of this channel hasn't even consulted a lawyer, nor has talked to the team regarding any form of negotiations (if the last outburst is to go by), I wouldn't hold it against them to follow protocol with the transfer of assets correctly, let alone the fact of there being multiple entities of which it could (or could not) be located under

Why did NCR need to be so tightly integrated with neos anyways? Wouldn't have having it as an addon be better for allowing user choice? That's what I thought NCR was supposed to be treated as when someone explained it to me the first time.

I can't speak on behalf of the devs, but...

In a nutshell, that was the proposal given when all this stuff started to go south and no agreement could be made. By creating a finances API of sorts, it'd allow other services to be possible, with NCR being dubbed the 'official' add-on for NeosVR's financial system, or something to the lines of that

That's what I thought it was gonna be

however, as it stands, it's hardly tied in at all. If ETH's entire system went into a blazing infernal, taking all the token systems along with it, NeosVR would still function just fine.

Fair. I just wish I could have been able to choose not to contribute to the NCR market with my Patreon sub

I mean, you can opt out, but I'd strongly advise against that. Part of the reason is because the NCR you receive can be used to increase your storage space further, even if you drop the patreon rankings

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Tracked keyboard worked great. Just wish there was a better way to detect user clicks.

It's not tightly integrated.

The reason it's a thing to begin with is to help fund Neos development.

It's been being sold to users since 2018 or something, and serves several purposes. So when you push that it should be some third party addon it's kind of inconsiderate to all of those users who put their money into Neos.

If you don't want to interact with NCR, just play with the Steam client or ignore it on standalone which is extremely easy to do.

when people suggest NCR be a third-party addon, lets call it what it is: the half-thoughtless suggestion from motivated anti-crypto advocates.

I did not put money into NCR, but I did put time into it
A whole month of work during MMC22 and I end up with storage tokens (which is fine) instead of usable currency
of course the spirit of a competition should not fall on the idea of prize money, but the anticipation of a large reward disappearing under your nose is a bit of a discouragement
really the failure of NCR would be the only reason so many people would want it third party in the first place: why would you want a direct connection of that to your platform? Not to add to everything else that Neos and the team are under so far
everyone got crossed, I've given up on it and I as well as others notice this and want it sidelined

even then, this falls under a personal feeling i suppose
if you still think ncr can succeed, that's up to you

Why fund a project with something that could lose its value in days? Like, if it had mechanisms to prevent that it'd be different, but, y'know, the NCR crash.

I mean, I used, bought and sold NCR for commission work in Neos, so I’m not anti crypto, I used it for the very purpose it was made for. I’m just antagonised by this thing and the stalemate attached to it that I just want it gone.

It could of worked.

It didn’t work.

Strip it out and move on.

I want the project to live and thrive, and I’m happy to have NCR dragged out into third party or whatever for that to continue without this total halt.

ncr alone, not really; but the eth used to mint ncr, yes
who knows where all that has gone, though
by now the only funding is the neos patreon that helps keep the servers alive
along with the rest of the neos team putting in seemingly countless hours into keeping neos running, a truly dead platform would be barely usable a year in and it's been two

Fair
Karel has given an impossible ultimatum. He can't seriously think anyone would come to replace him with neos in its current state.

the thing is, no one needs to replace him
there is not necessarily any person that needs to fill that role, if i remember correctly it's been mentioned already that the neos team as a whole can perform all of his responsibilities

not that i know any better besides surface-level assumptions

That too, and if someone replaces him we could have this whole situation all over again depending on who shows up

blegh, I don't want to care about this situation any longer, I'm going to go cry staring at logix instead

how would killing NCR help Neos in any way other than help you personally get this weird emotional closure you feel you need?

"Id like other people to get thrown out with the dishwater so I can move on" lol

NCR didn't fail, it was just attacked in crossfire by the team and its own community. The devs threw the NCR holders under the bus by dragging them into the drama between them and Karel when NCR has absolutely nothing to do with that.

I personally think NCR works fine, you can use it to tip people still and its there for those who want to experiment or build with it. It works -because- its a feature inside of Neos

*sigh* here we go again....

I can’t, I’m not going to get involved.

I don’t care if it stays or goes. I just want this unique and lovely project and community to get some lifeblood back.

I will agree to disagree and leave it at that, Orc.

ok.. you don't care either way, but just wanted to say you disagree. Got it.

It seems lots of people want to post how they don't really care about this thing, yet want it to be removed from those who do care.

Then they try to manifest reasons why or vaguely gaslight with "it failed, time to pack it up" and hope the devs see their thoughtless comments and agree (and probably do).

Im here to disagree and show that some of us still want it in Neos, still believe in our own decentralized currency in a metaverse, and still want respect for those people who pit their money in for years, thinking they were funding Neos, and still believe it would be a beautiful thing if those people eventually got rewarded when(if) Neos gets bigger.

The problem is that the one person who could be making such arrangements is also as present as a blue moon. The team is aware that many people have funded it via NCR, and that some people were even drawn to Neos because of it. A full removal had to be done on the Steam build, which was the primary way to get the title until they were forced to modify their professional build for normal use.
Additionally, crypto has had a lot of negative light attached to it, is the common source of many current scams, and has a fluxuating value so unstable, it's useless in trade. This has led to many potential users from other platforms (not just VRChat) decline outright due to concerns or troubled pasts.
Despite all that, it was proposed to create a financial API to keep it a part of Neos, and would allow other systems to be developed as well by proxy. This means NCR would be moved down to a plug-in, which may seem like a downgrade... but at this time, it's disabled for the majority of users (again, Steam Build) and for those who DO have it active... are they honestly using the parts that make it work every day? Again, NCR is so loosely tied to the platform, you can snip it off and- oh wait, it's called the Steam build.

So... I don't know about you, but a plug-in system that could potentially give NCR even more integration support, and other systems as well? Sounds like a good deal...
Just too bad someone who isn't here 99% of the time has no interest with this path, and will feed his minions whatever they want to hear, unless it's "I want out, please send emails to a rebounding inbox."

Let's be real: How the <REDACTED> did I go from almost $1200, to $22k, to now $200, in the timespan of a few months, and only having a SINGLE transaction under my belt? Who the heck would even want to try and use that as a form of payment if having even a sliver makes you magically god overnight?

So, trust in the system? Yeah, it's basically dead. Having an offering to have it available via a side system is basically as fair as it gets, and offers improvements that aren't available right now.

Thats easy to answer. Because the devs went hostile against it and how can any asset not collapse when the people who are supposed to at the very least maintain it turn against their own funders for no reason? You expect crypto holders to hold onto it? The only people who are holding it are actual Neos natives. Those are the only people left that you want to throw under the bus.

Those who've been involved in crypto know that they go through booms and busts that leave the asset higher in value pre-boom, but that that comes at the cost of aspectacle in price movement. NCR would still be higher than it was pre-boom if it wasn't for the uncertainty where the general feeling the room gets is that the devs might remove it to make people like you happy for a day.

If you want an example, look at MANA on coinmarketcap or something, which also got a 90% drawdown woth the rest of the market, but still weeathered it 10x better than NCR did and is at a higher baseline than it was before its price boom. Thats unfortunately how markets work cycles work, if not abit more exaggerated in a VERY illiquid low-market cap coin like NCR.

NCR did worse because of the hostility and honestly, probably illegal behavior from multiple angles.

and like I dont get it about this proposed financial API.... There's so much shit that gets "proposed" for Neos, lol. What you really mean is "devs dont want responsibility for this anymore"

The idea that after everyone gave money to Neos they should be relegated to a mod that might happen is just insulting. It's a non-solution born from a childish mind or one that didn't know that NCR's chain could be forked and supported by Froox's team.

If you want to just say any other currency can work in Neos then that's also bad for thr holders. What do you think would happens if a much more widely used foreign currency was set up alongside a smaller countries native currency? You'd get Argentina aka misery for everyone who has Pesos.

*sigh* the devs going 'hostile' thing has been disproven so many times, I'll be blue to the face if I have to keep saying it, and everyone else is surely tired of wasting oxygen mentioning it...

The devs themselves publicly said they don't want to deal with it. That kind of led people to need to aide with Karel.

I mean, they kibd of dragged their funders into the feud for no reason instead of simply saying "ncr holders have nothing to do with this internal issue. We'll continue to take care of them and support them regardless of what happens"

instead they softly set it up as a us-vs-crypto situation where its implied if Karel wins they'll be okay, and if Froox wins they'll be thrown out

well, asside from the fact that uh... the "uS-vS-cRyPtO" thing was due to a certain thing called VALVE

where it LITERALLY was

Listen, you can talk fairy tales until pixey dust is the only remaining substance of the world, but for someone who seems to know a lot about "ThE nAtIvEs," boy you have no clue.
Virtually everyone was excited to see Neos kick off, even if the reason was... a bit concerning. Overall, people who were long term supporters were getting their NCR to a higher value, and receiving what felt like a payoff.
Then Karel released an announcement that was a shock to LITERALLY everyone, INCLUDING the dev team, who wasn't even aware of the important message. The only reason I even found out was thanks to an announcement made in-world by the Neos managing bot (or whatever that thing is), and it started to divide EVERYTHING from there

The Valve thing was before NCR even boomed in price

That was fine, its great even. Most users dont even need to see NCR if they dont want to. Shouldnt everyone already be satisfied if they don't like it?

hiding something and not being there are two different things. People are not stupid; if you hide something, it doesn't dismiss the fact it is involved. Look at Discord groups who changed administration tools all because of when they added crypto support.

The shit between Karel and Team was internal, didnt start with an annoucnement. Unless you mean the moment he hired Andrea and people felt he was trying to take reigns.

Or you mean old annoucnements where Karel was trying to "manage" NCR with annoucing and then canceling a burn. Which, fair enough, if you ask me that was the start of shit going south

Mostly the latter... that's when I definitely saw people on the platform just acting like everything turned into a funeral.

who. cares? The masses are against all sorts of things. ETH doesn't use POW anymore and just because spmething is unpopular or makes dimwits huffy doesnt make it bad. Gay marriage was reviled by most people for a long ass time, lmao

Oh... do not flunking go there...

Well, the *shit* between the Team and Karel started as an overreach of Karel and over-protective behaviour of the Team, clashed in a breakup caused by loss in trust and is now in a stale mate.

There is no magic history about that, its just how it is.

Well I can agree with that, that All the attempts to manage ncr with burns, buybacks, etc were bad. NCR shouldve just been left alone. Supported but no "managing" to try to raise its value. thats my belief atleast

Well i can agree with that. The idea of any crypto currency is that there is no trust required.

And as such also no management.

Any trying to mix and match will always be negativ.

karel's take was that he needed to actively manage and foster it. I mean maybe someone veru experienced in marketmaking couod have succceeded, but not by making annoucnements etc

but no one asked for him to do that

More or less... and with the rate of how much minting was going on, even with adjustments, it would have been a steady progress. Sure, NCR returns from Patreon would dip but not sure how that's an issue if it is to match the value of the tier.
I know that having the currency handle itself is what usually gives it an appeal to many. It becomes its own kindred spirit in a way.

I mean to be perfectly honest, the moment it started to go "to the moon" it was immediatly clear that it was overvalued

Considering the amount of users and the attached "in development"

But that doesn't mean it could not had a natural future

Expecially with a grand success of neos in the back

I think we all knew it was overextended, but no one knew how far it'd go

at the time people were saying "look at how much more advanced Neos is to something like Decentraland, and its marketcap is $X so Neos could be $XX"

that was like during peak enthusiasm about it

I could not be happier if NCR succeedes, but while i think Karel brought much to Neos in the past, expecially with his knowledge of VR and its hardware, sadly he is now a roadblock. I don't mean that in a mean way. Perhaps i am wrong and he can just give a version of neos to a group of programmer he hires to make this an amazing product, but my personal bet would be still on "the team" or an extension of that. Not because they are unquestionable better at their job, but because they really care about this, way more then a job ever does.

And in the end NCR is connected to the future of Neos or one of its products. Its the interest of the people in it.

and people who were drawn in during this time from the crypto crowd were also of a different mindset. This resulted in actual new pushes to make the system do things that no one else really bothered trying yet. I still remember the Bitcoin Museum and people trying to get the CPU scaling system to work, so that the server would expand and contract resources based on demand, a service I wasn't even familiar with and found the idea of rather neat, aside from the fact the world itself was also very well made and informative

I dont know if that was related to this art gallery made by a user I think calleld sirkitree(sp)

Neos has amazing world and content created for it, but its like every time i see something it gets lost after half a year

Many people in neos like creating more then using the creations, similar to myself, how i sabotage myself in any game their is to create content for it, only for the sake of having it created.

Game allows building starships? I build the most complicated and time consuming one possible, but using it? Nah^^

I'm generally the opposite: most things I build I tend to use often... except the elliptical joystick. Less than a week, and that thing terrifies me

Well i mean, more casual users mean more users of featurs and content

Its good to have a creative community while development... ... in the hopes that development continues

how is Karel a roadblock? he personally secured funding for neos, allowed all of it to exist, and I suppose it costed him a lot of effor and stress. now, when neos gained traction and got stable patreon income, he can be tossed away like a piece of a trash, as he is no longer needed?

? I assume you just got here?

You do realize neos is like... years... in a coma... a total standstill of anything beside what happens inside neos, and thats limited since new featurs can't be developed

Like, funding, is... so many years ago...

And stable patron, like neos lost most of them by now

Neos is since years on life support because nothing can move, because not Karel OR the team can create anything without giving it to the other side, they each despise

Its like you having a joined account with your ex that you hate, but you still pay rent from it

why not karel leaving CEO position

Your guess is as good as ours

I do realize and I know it happened when the cryptobros invaded neos and Karel was declared worlds biggest villain

The only thing that is worth the ongoing fight is the software, that noone wants to give to the other side and they both own half. Karel thinks its owned by the company, but that company is not capable of acting. And Froox thinks its his alone, because he made it, but thats obviously also not entirely true. Its a total roadblock

Yea... well in any case, its just... like... stale mate

One side has to give up a single percentile of their ownership... 1%

So that the other side finally can act again

The reason I'm against NCR is how volatile it is. Even if it comes back, what's stopping the whole market crash from happening again? Volatility leads to uncertainty. If NCR is aiming for longevity, it *can't* be this volatile. How do you propose such a catastrophic event be prevented while NCRs management is "hands off"?

I think people confuse crypto with money. Crypto currencies are an commodity or wares. They stand for something, limited. You can't stabilize it by printing more of it or removing some from the market on demand, you can't really integrated a system the requires a stable currency. Thats why crypto has stable coins... to create a easy accessable gate between commodity and currency

At some point, if the market of a coin gets big enough, it gets more stable, but even bitcoins are not there yet, and they probably never will be. Doesn't mean its worthless. It stands for a particular idea and limited resource that can't be easily taken away from you. Its valuable as such.

So why is it being used to fill the purpose of money?

I think the other issue with NCR is the same issue with all 'tokens:' they're all required to deal with ETH, another currency, just to manipulate

So if I have to have ETH to do anything with NCR... then why not just use ETH?

Because it works without trust, as in, its an actual thing that can be (mathematically) proven. While money is based on trust in an entity, a state. NCR was created at a point where the project (neos) didn't had any money. They gave out this utility coin as a thank for for supporting it and people realized that if neos has a great future, so does NCR. As such, while they developers could not give anything of value as a thank you... in case of success, the ones helping the project would be having a payback for supporting it

Similar how you can give you limited edition coinage, that are ultimatly only worth its metal, until other people want them and it is a limited commodity

... minus the metal

Wow activity 😮

The thing is, on paper, it makes sense, but in practice... eh....
The thing is that logically speaking, people who were in Neos thought about selling, but decided to hold because the value could go up. Then when it plumetted, there then came a divide where some sold, feeling the value will never recover, and others weren't sure if they even could (again, you need ETH).
In the end, crypto just encourages hoarding, which isn't really worthwhile if you plan to use it for any kind of exchange, especially since people's speculation of its value is what ultimately destroyed it.

The worth of these mathematically proven coins can and do change on an exponential scale, for a project like neos that needs longevity in its worth that seems like really bad tides.

You can think about crypto currency both ways. I mean there is no such big difference between an ingame currency and a crypto currency... short of that the ingame currency is not actually tengiable

I think that also highlights the bigger divide as well: NCR was to be a reward token, a payoff as thanks for supporting the platform's development.
Then Karel wanted to burn its remaining mint to get on exchanges more quickly, or hold stakes to improve longlasting values... he wanted NCR to become a currency and no longer a token of generosity.
So, yes, NCR was a happy little token of Thanks. Then it wasn't. I mean, look at all the lemmings of this chat going "MOOON? NCR ON DEEX WHEN? VALUE SUX, WANT UPS NOWZ. LOST ALL DA MONEYS"

In its most basic form no mather if ingame currency or crypto currency, it will be horded and speculated on.

But the reason that, for a game, an ingame currency can still be an advantage, is that you can make it stable. Stable coins for example work by giving out as much tokens as the stabilized currency is hold back in exchange. In pure theory, if you get a stable coin $ its backed by a real $.

NCR is nothing like that, it is limited in its amount what makes it worth it and has a system of getting "generated" or really just diseminated

If the owners of neos would give out 1 for... 1$ each, that could work or suddenly every single coin be gone and they could not give out coins anymore

So its limited nature is the worth, but also why it would have great problems as an actual ingame currency. So it will stay a commodity

Or, better yet...

Just accept NCR is dead. It is gone. It is deceased. It is no longer of this world.

And trying to fluff up stories and concepts and "Look at the pretty graphs" is going to fix anythign about it.
The whole reliance on a system that is reliant on another system thing isn't holding itself up very well, not a day goes by that crypto isn't the butt-end of a joke, and while it COULD have all worked, based on concepts and ideas, the human element basically showed how much it didn't.

If you use a stablecoin system, sure, it'll be effectively locked to a known value. But at the same time... do you really need to be using a blockchain system at that point? Sure, you could run in a federated state, which would keep performance costs FAR lower, but then again... you could just use a simple database... like everyone else...

If people really want a crypto version of Neos that badly, having an option to still use it has always been on the table. But everyone just wants ALL the way or NO way, and some people want MONEY or VALUABLE ASSETS. You can't have both, only something in the middle.

In the end it doesn't mather that much. Again, crypto isn't the reason why neos is in a coma. The only reason are two people in this world, there is nothing outside of that. If they finally decide how to split up, all of that stuff will fall into place. Its really the small stuff.

And I love how every cryptojabrony keeps dodging the taxes situation. The US government views it as AN INVESTMENT, as basically GAMBLING, and it's a system that is on top of another system, and I don't even want to think on how you handle a stock that, in itself, costs OTHER KINDS OF STOCK to even manipulate and move. How the HECK does that work when I report on my taxes? "Hi, yes, I made $50, but it cost me $25 just to sell it to make $50, which I received back when it was worth $10. Is that a gain of $40 or $15?"

oh comeon

wow

Eh, F- You, NoPig

well, where i life you can do it differently

you can prove how much money you payed in or what resources you used, and how much everything you have now is worth, and you pay taxes on the simple difference

What i wanted to say, and was lost because of NoPig... lets PRETEND the code of neos is no longer valuable for one side after all this time. Lets say froox, that did write most of the code, made a redo and new version of his vision. Just because you did take 10 years the first time around doesn't mean you need that time again if you already know how it works. Most of the works in neos is based on the knowledge on how it works, less the amount of lines of code. So pretend he did rewrite a new version of neos and says "f... it".
Is the name neos really what made it worth it? Or anything that neos is now for that mather? Or is it about the CEO of neos and keeping it running? The crypto currency? No, in the end that all doesn't mather

The functionality of neos is what gave it it's worth

If froox decides to rebuild from the ground up, I'm going to ditch "neos" in favor of whatever ends up being made

Yup. More or less same here. That or I'll just go to a platform with basically equal building functions, and just spin up a Neos flavored UI remix for things like the inspector and what not.

I just want a good platform

I came here for frooxs creation.
That too, but nothing like that exists as of yet. I'm waiting... But...

Overte is the closest with similar freedoms. It's been getting refined over a long period of time, and I've been curious to see how things have progressed

oh, and active development. That's another plus.

Yea, seams nice. I have not seen it yet but i feel like what made neos so exceptional was the way you could drag&drop everything in.

I mean, perhaps i have to look at it, but i do wish there would be some move of neos

Agreed. Neos's focus on easier user creation is a major criteria. I'm not sure Overte solved those at all... though it might also be that no one has asked for a solution.
A large hurdle is that there is no cloud storage from what I understand... so it'd have to operate in a sort of Mastodon approach

And that you are able to actually work on every detail of the game while being inside of it. Modify the avatar of a new player or yourself, show off some video, pictures, models you work on

Thats whats so exceptional on neos i think.

yeah. Asset viewing in the Overte engine I recall was doable, but avatars are handled as their own entity type entirely, rather than as an in-world object, so it isn't possible at the same level. However, attachments, could technically work

I haven't dabbled with the newer systems, but I know the core engine is open source and customizable... so it's just a case of finding ways to recreate certain features. For example, if pasting a YouTube URL, having something recreate the process of making a media player recreation

I mean from what i see you have really good and easy control of the stuff that runs and a nice debug and content access of any kind... but people already think neos is complicated

This is, at its current state... the mastadon... or... linux... of vr systems

Powerful, but inaccessable by most

yeah. In a sense, it'd need a Linux Mint coat of paint to remedy some issues... or at least aspire to get as close as you can with SteamOS (the current one, not the... older one...)

Especially since there is no significant updates happening yet

But once the CEO position has been solved probably lot of people will play neos again

Unless there is a neos alternative by then

At this point, the feature distances are only different by accessibility, with Neos holding the highest accessibility by far to the advanced features.

Funny, considering many people find neos very difficult to get into, mostly because of all the tools and items and behaviour with cloud storage and lazy loading and rigging an avatar... ^^

Those people also never actually had to set up an avatar ever. They just used prefabs or public avatars from "totally legit" sources.

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well said, not sure if you seem fine with that as others seem not. I mean it was sold to users with the very intent of fluxuating in value, but people seem to after-the-fact expect it to be as stable as a US dollar here... except tbh its really just the go-to lazy argument against it

When I first got my ncr part of the fun was its fluxuating value, I kind of found that appealing, where you give it to someone and hey, who knows it might be worth more tomorrow.

Froox himself said to think pf it as an investment in Neos future. Those were his words. I think it should still be considered as such and treated as Neos own native currency. Not sure why some find that such a hostile concept

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So.. did the coin Rug?

At this point its the hope that things start moving

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...jeez... soon this chat will have more bots than Twitter

What old British comedy is that?

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Hey - just checking in to see if there have been any updates recently?

very small bugfixes in last few weeks but not much else

youtube-dl works without having to import a binary manually now :3

Hi, thanks for checking in, I'm 🎶still a piece of garbage! 🎵

Towards myself by the way.

I mean, its probably total overkill for this usecase, but a youtube downloader is also part of jdownloader 2

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Hello everyone

How you all

busy learning how panels work. So far, my head hurts

oh boy...

already here less than 12 hours, and already the moon phrases come out... It's so hard to know if people are legit serious, are indeed that mindless, or just another aimless bot clicking on 'join X group' and somehow the Neos website has been added to some roster list of 'known places to suck money from'

Not helped by the fact that I'm still running into people claiming this "gem's" only luster is in the perceived situational joke it has become. Still, I march on...

BHAHAHAHAHA

Holy balls, I forgot bios were a thing on this platform

WOW.... and based on the name... like, that's some jailbait right there

welp, that's one way to turn the situation around... going from "This sucks" to "This is holarious" is the kind of emotional whiplash I needed tonight

Wha

Probably crypto scam bot

They always say moon because think that will increase price

uh... haven't checked their bio yet? combine that with the name and...

Some kind of weeb I assume

Probably from vrchat

.....*sigh*

Try. Reading.

Seriously, as much as I don't like VRChat, but going on about fandoms within a platform in a derogatory manor isn't exactly setting the best example, especially with how sensitive this group's discussions are with the blame game. Let's try NOT to fuel that fire, please?

It says loli which is a vrchat thing

Or it's candy but probably the vrchat thing in this case

It's like those anime avatars basically

I wonder what vrchat thinks of that bot existing

Probably won't be happy that a bot is using vrchat for crypto scams

Strange

Yeah I was wrong I thought it was a vrchat thing

Not sure if bot or troll.

And didnt knew custom emojis are a thing in telegram.

🦆

Considering the click bait bio and changing user avatar, most likely a bot.

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Hell, I just registered, and my password manager ate the *bleep* password. Help?

Use forgot password inside neos

Inside, shit

Thank you.

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Scam

Which is in itself a reference to Russian literature.

wait, really? Huh....

Password reset is an example, why the website needs to be improved

scam?

There is functionality missing on the website, that is currently only accessible inside of Neos itself

Crumbs

much of the site is in shambles. The maintainers don't honestly care, yet will gladly put up a show and dance of "Yes we do!" the musical with about as much of an effect of one: just a happy feeling and no solutions to current problems

The only stable part has been the Wiki... something I hope remains that way...

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I am a member of the MEXC listing team, faster to provide you with a faster listing process and lower listing fees.

Contact hello@neos.com for business inquiries

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One could say, Karel is already a father.. (of Neos)

yes, but locked into the cellar *sigh*

We could make it less dead.

But how?

I enjoy necromancy as much as the next person: Consider the interesting reality that the merging of cyberspace and real space within the AR paradigm represents. In litteralizing hyper-reality we also drive the shrinking of the world similar to the invention of air travel. As geographical barriers fall, it seems inevitable that ideology will drive social selection.

I've been re-reading Too Like the Lightning and I am once again contemplating the notion that fan culture can map onto the idea of the bash'. Though with unfortunately far less explicit discussion of Enlightenment philosophers. One wonders: do the social dynamics of virtual communities in the now give us a glimpse of how things might shake out when we go through yet another mainstream travel or telepresense revolution?

Maybe one day we could just randomly insult each other, just for you know old times sake 🤣

Cheesemonger :3

Tiny creature

Seems tenuous, speculative at best. You could make a religion out of this!

I haven't seen any investors in this chat

Omg what happend

How the price is keep dropping?

Lol

The goal is ncr = 0.0001 usd

🤣

ncr token is dead？

?

What the hell

I thought everyone wants it to go
Up

i expect nothing

So you dont expect nothing too?

Wee need to
Rip it?

don't or do?

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I need the price to go down. Makes for more storage on the cheap.

Unless someone's nice to me: then I want it to go up so I can buy their NCR and give them a better deal

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Heya! So, I'm trying to log into my Neos account but I forgot my password but there's no forgot password link. I still have my original email from when I verified my email tho

Ah I see

Also Hey Firr

Dump and pump scammer

lol, you wish

Yes 🤑

@malooniac is there any plan to fix the certificate on api.neos.com as it does error 525 handshake fail but the old api that’s api.neos.com redirects from still works neosvr-api.com/api/sessions

Just enquiring for information