- 01 July 2023 (47 messages)
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What is Frooxius real name and can I reach him on LinkedIn? I want to free NeosVR to the community -
is he on the discord?
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Methinks it's terrible etiquette to ask a group what someone else's real name is
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Not that it's extremely hidden info, just bad manners.
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great thank you
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generally agree just trying to help get Neos back in the hands of the communitu
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You can also just find him in-world. He's pretty chill to hang out with.
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Thanks Flame. If anyone knows him I would appreciate to be connected
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You can find contact methods on our wiki under contact us. 90% of inquiries don't require a contact with Froox.
We get business propositions in telegram and discord daily despite asking them to go to hello@neos.com
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And IF you happen to meet froox on neos personally, it would be smart not to talk about business on your first meeting. It is very rude to do something to do something like this. -
You can ask him how to get in touch for business at the very end and say good by if you insist doing it that way.
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We have those contact methods for that reason too. It's the least rude way to cold call someone
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Hey Hun, I would like to talk to you about an amazing VR business opportunity! /s -
Sign me up I'll fill my cupboard with random products I can't sell
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A VR MLM would be one hell of a thing
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It'll be all cheese -
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you probably already realized but i don't think most people care enough for something like this to happen
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personally i think it would be fun to poke the code over a snack of solid blocks of cheese
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It stopped being "for the community" a long time ago.
Froox obviously doesn't want to patch into a code that he doesn't own and made it clear he doesn't want money for that, similar with the people around him. He just wants the sole ownership of the code.
And we don't even know the developers that Karel has, we didn't get a chance to speak to any of them or see any results. There is no sign that any of the code will ever be open source at the moment and as long as there is no clear ownership,
Karel would be stupid to patch into a code he doesn't own as well as Froox would. So i have no idea? -
Whats with the cheese talk that some internal joke or what? 😂 -
I take that as a yes. 😄😄
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It's something that Prime started
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Actually from what we know cheese production has been started around 7000 years ago. The earliest known written record is Sumerian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cheeseHistory of cheeseaspect of history
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Its much more complex
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thats... the problem. Its not owned by froox or karel. Thats what this is... all about?
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The company that owns it is owned by both equally, there is no tie-break
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Really depends on the contract and business regulation of the country the business is in?
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Well, lets just say that if froox would have the power to fire karel he would have done that already... or karel would have fired froox... as it stands, there is absolutly nothing moving, so it doesn't really mather
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Theyre both owners
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We really do just be right back to the same speculation conversation again eh?
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Yes, we do run-arounds again. Lets just say there is nothing anyone can do and all the theoretic development and grand plans are meaningless without the ownership of the code being cleared up
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And thats not happening as long as both sides give no ground. So it has to come down to a redevelopment at some point.
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I would love for someone who has education on this to share their opinion, since we dont have a clue
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Yea, and you don't do that with bee-hives
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- 02 July 2023 (33 messages)
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I am curious if any of the Patreon/NCR issues will get resolved? As NCR is not being credited to Patreon users currently
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Supposedly the changes that broke it were made by Karel (changed how Patreon pulls people's money)
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really? Huh...
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I’m not aware of any changes when did your Patreon issue start is it a recent thing?
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Patreons are billed when they subscribe, storage is reset to the absolute minimum. Patreons are then billed at the first of the next month, but they don't get the benefits. That's what I heard -
That sounds very serious, only affecting new Patrons or everyone?
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I see in our backend that we got switched to Subscription billing instead of Monthly charge
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seems to be everyone by the accounts I've heard, but I cannot validate this myself
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This is an option thats wasn’t available when I originally made the Patreon account and page, but is actually how things should be. Subscription billing means charging on the day of joining and then on the same day next month.
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If Patreon charges someone on joining and then again on the first if you didnt join on the first last month please contact Patreon for a refund. That is not how Subscription billing should work.
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Might be more an issue that someone will wait up to a full month before storage benefits are applied to their account.
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With this change we have to update our internal systems for tracking rewards. Thank.l you so much for the heads up. ❤️
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This was their initial system to simplify patreon creator payouts. To my knowledge unless you make a new patreon page, this is specifically a one-way opt-in from the previous system.
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Existing patrons before it was switched over will continue to be charged on the 1st as that is what the older system forced for everyone.
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I’m glad they finally did it the right way so people can get rewards fast and not be charged too soon. The previous two options Monthly billing with no upfront and Monthly billing with upfront payment were both bad in different ways.
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They have some documentation for if it makes sense for a given project type to swap to it or to be on one of their other billing options. It doesn't makes sense for all project types and also depends on what and how any rewards are done.
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In case you are interested in that. https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/8779192853261#decide-subscription-billingSubscription Billing FAQ
This article covers FAQs about the subscription billing model, which charges new patrons when they join and monthly on that same date. You can opt in to subscription billing in your Billing & p...
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We could try getting it switched back via support but since we have to rework these systems anyways it might be better to keep this better billing method and make it work better than before.
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Best would be to stay on the new subscription method and work towards the rewards not being tied to the 1st of the month. Also fairly sure they can't/won't swap pages back to the old model.
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Trying to switch Patrons that joined on Subscription to Monthly seems quite hard with partial refunds or something like that
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The other way works much better
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They probably don’t have a process for that, thats why its permanent.
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And would be super confusing for Patrons
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Anyways we’re on it, rewards will be fixed soon and better than ever.
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https://imgur.com/a/vaipD1L
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Sorry, it seems I misinterpreted things and I misunderstood
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Yeah I'm basically just missing two months worth of Gunter Teir NCR... Which I was gonna use for my headless to have more storage lol
- 03 July 2023 (333 messages)
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This is not how Subscription billing works, you get charged immidiately after joining and then on the same date next month, not on the first. That’s how “Monthly with upfront” used to work and we never used it for that reason. Only used “Monthly with no upfront” to not double charge.
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If somebody got double charged it is purely a technical glitch on Patreon’s side. It’s possible the two payments could be closer than usual as the last may have been delayed but there cerainly shouldn’t be more. Please send me screen if this happened to you will bring it up with Patreon support.
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Thank you for letting me know, this will get fixed.
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I know for a fact that many people have been given a round around with that issue
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also, people have noted subscribing and not receiving benefits. They are in the patreon channels in discord, but no updates to their account in badge or balance
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As Karel said, apologies for issues you are experiencing and we are working on fixing it and on creating a better system all together, but in a meantime, if you think you have been double charged, please email your details, screenshots and Patreon nickname/email to hello@neos.com or DM me and we will promptly look into it. Thank you ☺️ -
This is the official communication channel, Discord has been hijacked by a former contractor and cerainly isn’t an official channel. We’ll be removing it from our website during the next update. We’ll be sending email to everyone when the new system is up and running.
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That IS true Draconas, but isn't what it is about. For Karel, as in from that side of things, it is something out of his control.
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Thats just a situation that will keep that way until both sides split up finally...
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A Discord channel being useful and a source of community support doesn’t make it official. That is up to the company. Right now it’s not controlled by Solirax hence not official.
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Doesn't make what Karel says untrue (to keep as neutral as possible here). Ingame is mostly in control of the developers and developing crew.
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Yes even the official website links it right now.
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These former contractors stopped working on Neos thats the whole situation for the last few years.
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Cant argue with that I guess. Although to be fair it seemed like noone was doing anything. Not just one or the other side
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No I mean the impostors calling themselves “Neos Team”
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Long after no longer being Neos employees or contractors
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Well, noone is doing anything because of the inpass with code ownership so... the only thing done right now is keeping the infrastructure running. Discord makes unofficial ingame support, Karel here makes official support for anything related to infrastructure
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And thats that...
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This split of workload is to keep neos "alive" in the sense of working. Noone wants to shake that tree (hopefully) but perhaps its required to finally make it break down..
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Yea there are a lot of mods on Reddit and they are not called the Reddit Team
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It’s a highly misleading term
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Most of them did sign contracts. What is the source of your information?
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Froox is no longer an employee of Solirax as he resigned.
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I mean, thats reasonable, considering he doesn't want or get an income
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So yea, former employee and co-owner is more to the point
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Yes obviously. If he would not be, the problem would be finally solved. He would probably create a new project that is named different and is a new VR software and Neos would be ... getting new programmers or die. I don't know but i mean seriously. The situation exist because both Karel and Froox hold onto the sinking ship kind of ;)
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Ok this is how companies work - shareholders (owners) elect executives amd those executives hire employees and act on behalf of a company
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If somebody resignes he or she can no longer act on behalf of the company
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Even if its a part owner?
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Shareholders can vote but obviously Froox doesn’t have enough votes and is rather stalling hoping for not sure what
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Same goes for Karel obviously, otherwise this problem would be solved by now
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Yes we have updated resources in the work and those will be published in future updates.
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I can get enough votes but what for? I’m already the CEO and Director, can and am hiring people
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Great to hear Karel, i am hoping for the best for this project than. Yes if you want to take control of this project, it might be best to actual remove inofficial channels from the website and out of Neos ingame, so that we finally get the split that makes things go forward.
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I am also very interested in the new project Froox creates and expect that most of the team will move to that project.
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That doesn't mean its bad, as you get your own team for Neos.
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If you post FUD in this channel it will be deleted.
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What is FUD?
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Statements trying to induce fear, uncertainty or doubt regarding Neos or Neos Credits manipulating its price on exchanges
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I don't agree with Karel deleting comments and messages, but in the end it is his channel and he is the CEO of Neos. So lets just accept that for now and see what Froox has in the works ;)
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It’s not mine, it belongs to Solirax and Neos.
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Is there a reason for the other owner to be so silent about the whole situation? Is it because he resigned and doesnt want or cant make statements on behalf of the company?
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Well i assume if he wants to make statements he will do it NOT HERE :D
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Try the discord
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No it’s not. That is a personal theatric decision trying to induce some emotional response from the community. We’ve been over this many times.
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It’s a big undertaking that took a lot of time and effort to do especially in an environment where we get attacked daily.
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I think its inevitable when theres a big(kinda big) community waiting for something they have been promised, but not delivered for some time. I think the solution would be to start slowly making official announcement on updates, on plans etc etc. Chatting here seems like a youtuber answering in the comment section
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If the “user discussion” is FUD then it affects NCR price negatively.
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Plenty of places to do that including the unofficial Discord channel. Not sure why this channel should be the place for that.
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I think best would be not a group where everyone can chat, but an announcements channel, with possibility to comment
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We will publish things when they are ready to be published not sooner.
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Then it is a recursive question 😄
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A question that “remains” after being answered seems recursive
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You’re not seeing any because it’s deleted most of the time
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Angry and pissed community is one of many unresolved issues. One is leading into another.
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theres a few solirax's it takes some time to wrap head around
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but idk if froox was on the others
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There are no employees of Solirax Ltd as its a holding company
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also while karel is here can i ask what sanju.co is ? as its been on my mind for a while
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Officer is not an employee in this case
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That is a domain that we got for a separate NSFW metaverse brand
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ah i saw that tweet once for a universe and then the url redirects to neos so was just curious thanks for the explination
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Froox can do that himself he is the Director same as me
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I’m not his servant as he still falsly believes
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A company specialized in bookeeping did that I personally of course didn’t do it
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Yes
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Well as a Neos Credits holder I would not like a CEO or a team that ignored FUD on their official channel.
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Froox threw NCR holders under a train, I’m not doing that. Will keep fighting for what is right.
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Statements trying to induce fear, uncertainty or doubt regarding Neos or Neos Credits manipulating its price on exchanges.
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I think this was the answer to what FUD is
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also karel question, whats your opinion on third partys such as myself making solidity contracts that use ncr as the utility token for said contract
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That would depend on what the contract does and how is it presented. Might be great and userul, might be damaging hard to say without any details.
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maybe write up some usage guidelines on it that others can adhere to might be a good idea i have nothing in mind was just curious
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Does this help you, John? -
it will export everything in your account from what I can tell
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It'll export everything, although they won't be directly usable as they don't include file extensions
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Could be? it'd be recent as my backup from 4 days ago doesn't have any
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Ah it looks like there is a branch that figures out mime types and makes a file extension for it
https://github.com/GuVAnj8Gv3RJ/NeosAccountDownloader/tree/feat/mimeNeosAccountDownloader/ at feat/mime · GuVAnj8Gv3RJ/NeosAccountDownloaderDownloads your Neos account to your local computer. - GuVAnj8Gv3RJ/NeosAccountDownloader
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If you really want to make a backup, just do it with the tool. The problem of extracting/converting can come later
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You are able to export photos from in-game using either the context menu option to export neos photos or via the file browser although slower and not really suitable for large amounts of photos at a time.
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The thing is that if you export it with the tool, it will have all the information, but they will still be as neos requires them
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If you use steam, it is also likely that steam already has saved many of your photos as steam screenshots
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It should but you'd need to make a build of it yourself.
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For example, an avatar will not be an FBX but a thing with hundrets of references to other neos files that you exported as well
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But it will be at least there. Photos is another issue, maybe use the ingame tool instead.
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For technical ingame questions, the inofficial discord will be better ;)
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Another case of clear FUD
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Haha lets make it a thing 😄
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Certainly better than cheese jokes
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Yes and everyone is already aware so saying that feels bit stupid
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A good day to own some Cheesecake Factory Inc stock [CAKE]
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Covid was not kind to small restaurants and bakeries
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More competition would be nice
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Hi Tekno
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I could be wrong, but shouldn't that be automated ingame and using the ingame NCR account?
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This is pure speculation... but NCR can't be received/send if you don't have a 2 factor on your account
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It would make sense if that also applies on using NCR
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i... speculate, that it doesn't mather on the recipient end
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Its the active change of NCR that is locked down to accounts with 2factor
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but it could be that the target account needs 2 factor to actually use the NCR? Again, just guessing based on the security messures taken
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but i think you can gift storage directly so..
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How would I even enable 2FA on my account?
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I think that can only be done on the website neos.com
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press the magic hat
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on the neos dash
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Yep, he is right, i am wrong.
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:p idk i forgot what it was called,the icon is more memorable lol
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I don't have a magic hat
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ooh.
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you need to be on the standalone
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Yes
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Has someone that neos link perhaps?
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it's in my dash soo
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Well I dont got it
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if I could screenshot I would
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mewhh..
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but my dash has been acting up recently for no reason (since month 2 of me playing)
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odd
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you could reset it maybe
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some elements look like they are z-fighting their background element
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-ResetDash
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Yeah dont have that
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"Setup 2FA" or start neos with that parameter sctanf said
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I cleaned up my dash
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start-parameter
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Welp guess I gotta do that start command... shit
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hmm, or we can copy that link, lets try that before
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yea, i can't do it for some reason with links from the dash, sorry
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Well I need to reset dash to fix the z-fighting anyways...
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What people you mean?
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Nope :p
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Good point, well, i am sure Karel has a big support team that will handle that request in a minute. Just be patient (:P)
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There is nothing bad about community support. It is very appreciated.
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On both official and unofficial channels.
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Yes Karel , Tekno does have an important request you really should look at if you can.
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Its about the major issue with patreon
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Please dm me your Patreon nickname or email will look into it 👍
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I have no idea dont call me hunny
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Yes, we see "Tekno Catron" (or at least me)
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This is not a dm but thank you anyways will look into it ❤️
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is there a chance I can get my two months of NCR?
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Gunter Tier subscription
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I see you did a lot of changes of your subscription in May, changing tiers, deleting and resubscribing thats probably why the system got confused. The payment made on May 27 was refunded just now. Thank you so much for supporting Neos Cloud. ❤️
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Totally everyone is going to get those when the new Neos Account Wallets are up and running. We are on it. 👍
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Also some of the community are curious what an "Universe" is supposed to be? since the NeosHeadless has an "universe-id" field...
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That can be used for example for companies or schools that want to have only their own content visible, you could call that their “universe”. Sanju.co would probably use that content separator as well.
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oh! so its like a "passcode"? is there a way a user can set their Universe? or is that unique?
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unique to specific setups*
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More of a tag than a passcode
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I know I'm a little late. Isn't this a little sketchy? To prune a chat history of negative community commentary so your product only looks like a positive investment?
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It looks like a positive investment? 😂 Good to know
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Lol
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Its more what the word is actually implying. Usually all the worlds are in the same "universe" and you have all that nice bubbles that shows all the neos worlds. A universe id can filter that down to the worlds that down to worlds with that ID. Might be very useful if you have... a school... and don't want to mix up school worlds with public worlds
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ohh! alright,
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I am interested in the possibility of certain aspects of neos becoming open sourced (obviously not the ENTIRE project), would definately somewhat help the modding community as well as potentially allowing the community to fix bugs they have found, and if you choose the correct license for the source code, it wouldn't be difficult to keep legal ownership of your code
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I am sure that if Karel gets/has sole control of the code he will do that... at least he said that. But perhaps we should not start the discussion again until things change and make this a possible reality
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Why would I have ownership of Neos code? It is clearly ownership of Solirax not me personally
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... if... Solirax decides to do that then ;)
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(comeon...)
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I was more in reference to the fact that the code that the community could contribute, would retain ownership by those who would own it
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I see, yes that is very true
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Even partial or gradual open sourcing would be welcome
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Depending on the rules the code is made public. There are different licensing ways and different ways to divide or prevent ownership. Kind of also a discussion if that really happens.
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Who is John Solirax?
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Solirax is a legal entity not a physical entity (a guy)
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Solirax is the company owning Neos... and in extension owning the code
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I am impressed there is a wiki page for Neos, and not Solirax
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I mean, there is not even a real webpage of Alphabet... but everyone knows google
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Its not THAT surprising
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Neos is the product, Solirax the company owning it
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Alphabet is the company owning Google
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Also owns Youtube
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Brand names and legal entities are often very different Yum! Brands runs KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut
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Alphabet and Meta are also good tech examples, Microsoft is not called Windows or Office either
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I'm still a little hung up on the message deleting. Redacting a public history is a big nono in my mind if the messages aren't actually obscene or anything. If the channel/group does not belong to you but to Solirax and Neos, are you deleting messages on behalf of an official Neos or Solirax policy somewhere? Or is it your own desire to protect NCR from FUD?
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I kinda agree partially with that
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is not the point Snake is making
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its like deleting bad product reviews
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I mean, i wouldn't do it, but its in his right. I disagree with what Karel is doing, but... i mean he is the CEO, right?
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We are a company and we are free to set rules as we see is the best. I think we defined what FUD is. When there is crypto and trading involved it can’t be as relaxed.
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Is that so? Hmm... so under what rules is this chat even running? I mean i think local rules should apply?
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personally I dont understand the point of using an blockchain currency for neos
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I understand having an ingame currency, with an market cap, but blockchain?
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So there IS a company policy about FUD, then.
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Yes and it is not posting it in this channel. Discord is for that.
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but there is no official discord
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as per your own words...?
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Correct
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FUD cannot be tolerated on an official channel that is a big part that makes it official
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From a User/Consumer perspective, the best move in that regard is to create an new *official* discord
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Unless they don't want a Discord
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Certainly an optional platform
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In which they would be severely lowering user capability to contact,
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and communicate with the community
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That would also be a whole level of confusion because the old Discord is still there
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Sure so we have more work modding and less for actual work thank you very much
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I see the amount of trolling here am not too excited to see it elsewhere as well
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I mean more modding just comes with the territory of being community interactive. Plenty of people volunteer to mod for these things
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Most successful companies have no official Discord and they do just fine
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Most successful companies aren't running a social platform
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Those companies are not as focused on making an community as Neos is
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Most companies running a social platform don’t have an official Discord as that is their competition 😄
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Very true
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That too, but most social platform companies are grandfathered into the market
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Facebook, Twitter, telegram, IRC servers, etc
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Additional community interaction probably shouldn't be feared as a hinderance to a social platform's development though, it doesn't bode well.
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The community is pissed off and wants for things to get better, for that a lot of work has to happen and thats our priority. Opening a new communication channel in that situation is as productive and fun as rubbing sand in your eyes.
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I'd probably point at most companies running social platforms don't need to have as much of a presence on another social platform as they directly have their own(twitter/facebook/reddit) . I don't think social vr platforms(neos, vrchat)/ social games are exactly comparable and would much closer follow how a game related company would run things. Of which having a presence on one or several social platforms outside of their game is very common.
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Neos as a whole is the priority
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So the Platform is the priority
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What do you think Tim Cook would say to you is the iPhone or the services the priority?
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They are both equally important company doesn’t throw any important parts under the train
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I am curious about the choice for Blockchain technology for NCR however
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Personally I dont see a reason for it as it was, according to information I can find, created during the timeframe in which "NFT's" and "crypto-coins" were being mass produced like crazy because it was a 'trend'
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While I'd say that both in the context of neos makes some sense to have equal priority to integrate them together, I don't think that comparison lines up. the iPhone relies on the services around it to work as anything more than a phone with texting*. Neos doesn't lose major functionality from NCR
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There are multiple reasons. Probably the most important one is that a truly free metaverse needs a truly free payment system. That means optimally no central entity that would be the weak point and certainly no banks and payment processors that effectively censor the content on most of the web beyond state laws.
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There is also separation to a degree in the apple case where the full priority of the company could be either and it wouldn't change to much as they still have a full team dedicated to both either way
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Or at the very least be flexible to allow multiple payment options and conversions between them so any individual service isn't as important
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Blockchain is decentralized and thus free and virtually unstoppable. Thats what Neos should be as well. Technology that could make it decentralized exists and should be worked towards.
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Blockchain is also open source and willing to go with the ups and downs of the technology,
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and on the topic of Decentralization, if that is a major factor of neos,
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then in theory providing the means for users to make their own backend servers, and maybe even have them cross communicate, would be pretty good for the community and that goal
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Yea Neos being open source is I think very important, it can’t and shouldnt be controlled by one guy forever
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Soo... under what condition can solaris come to the decission to actually do that?
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Solirax already made that decision
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Then... why hasnt it been done yet?
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Oh sorry, Solirax. Thats nice... so why is Solirax powerless to actually execute their decission then?
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Because the employee handling the code didn’t do it
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Wait wait
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I see. So that employee was replaced i take it?
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You didn't ensure that everyone involved had access?
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You relied solely on one person to maintain the code repository?
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Some amount of that already exists although limited to neos pro licensing for institutions and similar so they can run their own cloud for assets and such. I don't know fully on if that also includes logins or sharing between 'clouds'
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No I thought the employee is a decent human being an will do as promised
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Yes he was the CTO and I trusted him
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If you don't mind clarifying I believe you've said both they are and are not an employee?
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At the time, if an employee resigns he or she is no longer an employee
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You ahve said the person (if you are implying the same one I am thinking of) is both an employee, which means they are beneath you in the chain of command, and co-founder
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Sorry I am a bit confused at the moment
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People can be shareholder, co-founder and employee at the same time
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And usually especially for younger companies a lot of them are
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Im mentioning the role most important for the context
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Is there any updates on the current legal battle?? I heard rumors back when I first started playing Neos that there would be an update back in march but...
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I really would like to see Neos thrive as it so far has hit every part where VRChat is lacking
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There is no legal battle to my best knowledge
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Huh...
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Yea we cannot afford to grow our Cloud at this time. Patreon has been decreasing while costs have been increasing. Working on selling some crypto assets to be able to afford more resources. These things need a lot of funding and that has been problem for about 8 years now. Neos Credits saves Neos again as it did multiple times already. And then I get asked why blockhain. 😄
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Because it works.
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You could see about getting the backend capable of allowing users to donate their own hardware to storage and the like,
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That would be amazing to do in a secure encypted way. There are multiple decentralized projects capable of this tech and I would like for Neos to adopt on eof them very much. Have been talking about it since before co-founding Neos.
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The elected government of the universe involved.
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With moving to a different one being a matter of a few clicks and not a matter of losing most of your family as IRL.
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If and when Neos will be decentralized there will be many universes for sure to select from
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I mean, a system hosting media files in the format neos saves would be simpel. Encrypting that is simple as well, since public key cryptography was invented. But there is the most important question. Are new programmers are already on board and working on anything related to neos?
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honestly just go the way ZeroNet took it
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actually decentralized
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like, no blockchain in use, use of related technologies yes, but not directly used
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you can access ZeroNet, and it will connect to peer lists like how Torrent works, download the assets you want and seed it for others
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Zeronet is effectively if the internet and bittorrent had a child, and hired Tor as the babysitter, is how i describe it
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So, kind of like BTFS and what ever that other one was?
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I guess yeah?
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I recall that was attempted in the past. 3 platforms attempted it, but the issue is the downloading of the data is very slow. Granted, they relied on http gateways, since it was very early on, but even the primary entity hosted ones were... not good.
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Yeah, Zeronet works, is a tad bit slow because of alot of less people using it since the main dev left
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yeah. The other issue is that'd remove streaming functions, unless the systems can coordinate byte order
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but at that point, the concept of a central store would... also be meaningless. Even if it did all work, having the data still home in to a central system, as it stands for now, kind of ruins the point of itself if you can just have copies on other networks. People will just migrate to those systems, if allowed
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im actually curious for transparency's sake Karel , on average what is the monthly server costs? No need for specifics, just an ACTUAL number range that is close enough for the community to understand?
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10 million?
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Ah... no.. 10k€ is more realistic (shot in the dark sum) but as said, this could be reduced A LOT by just enforcing P2P for most resources
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or like, giving the option for it for dedicated hosts
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Granted, the results were from a very heavy month, during the EAC incident of a competitor's platform, resulting in an influx of potential new users.
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(Needless to say, that didn't last long, but that's based on 'unofficial' numbers)
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It was ~21k€ and about as official as it gets as Karel shared an invoice here about it a while back. Although yes at a influx of users 5-7x normal
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in fact, I'd dare say the influx of new assets was most likely the culprit. New users coming over, attempting to migrate their stuff. The month afterwards most likely have been less due to caching, assuming the influx of new users didn't change.
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Honestly, implementing an one year account data archive policy could be helpful, where it will compress the unused data until the user wants to reactivate their account
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ANy use of API could reset that archive countdown
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I don't think the raw storage amount is all that much, more the ingress/egress bandwidth fees
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storage is cheap. Bandwidth is where the money's at
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I could store my entire archival data of all my work, and it'd cost a couple dollars. But the moment I want to retrieve it? Time to break the piggy bank
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according to the invoice, litterally half the costs went into "management and goverence"
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whatever the hell that is
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Security policy enforcement at a very basic level. You can either do it yourself, or have them do it.
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Wait to clear one thing up...Karel made mention earlier of someone resigning... Did they say that Froox resigned?
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This was discussed yes
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Companies house isn't up to date though which is strange. It's usually the remaining directors responsibility to update companies house. Source: hello I am a British person
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source: also brit can confirm
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I'm assuming such updates are not country exclusive, especially with ownership percentages at they are, it'd require much work either way to ensure it is handled correctly
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The form is called tm01
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also a TM01 isnt allowed to be filed by the outgoing or ex director the process is a director resigns by submitting a letter of resignation then once thats done the standing director files a TM01
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huh... how come that isn't part of the checklist?
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Also, aside from that, the form looks... really really easy? Like even my non-global corporate governance brain can figure it out
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yeah company house is nice
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Generically most UK government stuff is trying to be nice and simple it often fails but the branding etc is usually friendly
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also question Karel , when approximately will the new wallet system be available?
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Keep an eye for a user called "Defi~ Lord :)"
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is scam user
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What does this mean -
IDK, Karel made a comment about it earlier
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That worried me for a reason
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Why?
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Its not like he gives away his ownership. His employment status in his own company means absolutly nothing if he doesn't get income and has no control.
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Why would you think that?
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He is half the board... he was employed as programmer
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Thats a different thing
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there is no board
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not really
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There is a board in the sense of decission making. Its to small for an actual board, but thats kind of not the point
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it is/was like a suggestions meeting if i understand it
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Its two people that have decission power basicly and that didn't change
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Just that he is no longer programming for the company owning the name Neos
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In the end that doesn't mean anything, he really didn't beforehand anyway
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To small for a board, but if there would be a board then he would be still part of it
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retaining ownership
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Its so small that ownership means part of the decission making as in "having half the decission of the board" ;)
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but no one is at the helm and both are doing their own thing
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Again, the decission making for the products is the CEO, Karel, but the decissions for the company itself are 50/50 by ownership, so that didn't really change
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Honestly, at this point it can't get worse. If one of them takes control, the other is forced to create a new product. But will not happen as noone wants to give it to the other respectively
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The worst of all is that there is no legal battle we know of, so it comes down to one of the parties creating "something else" or lets say similar
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Because the original product (neos) is kind of unusable for both sides
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Its all speculation. But IF that would be true, he obviously would make sure not to work for neos at the same time, because that could be a problem in an actual legal battle
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As in, the new product (if it exists) needs to be removed from the original in any way possible.
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Interesting to think about, obviously noone knows because we don't even know what and if they work on anything. (true for Karel too)
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But it would be reasonable to create a new company and work with a team.
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And make hard rules about that.
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We... don't really know actually. If Froox was payed as an employee to program code? Maybe. If Froox was payed for his product? Seriously we don't know. AS far as i am aware it was never defined who owns what, its why a legal battle would actually have been required to clear that all up. But its not happening, so lets see whats next.
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If it would have been so clear, i would have expected Karel to go to court and sue on handing the code over. So there is only two possible answers for me. a) He is stupid b) He isn't sure he would win
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He... didn't for over 1 and a half year. I don't assum he is stupid.
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Not sure what has heen happening quitr few past days
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Welcome back? ;)
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I'm guessing neos is going to receive updates soon?
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Which means good things :)
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Its great you are optimistic
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That'd be Karel. I can't recall if it's strictly over dm or email
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For storage. There is a guy in the discord on Patreon channel, for NCR, good luck, waiting on new system
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This would be shiftyscales on the Discord in the #patrons channel.
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The discord is inofficial, as far as Karel said yesterday. As such, official business, like patron, should be handled by the official support
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Well, it might be "unofficial" but it is a place where Neos staff give support
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