1. I don't know what Tower Unite is or care about it, but I'm sure it's not relevant.

2. I understand you just became a mentor, therefore anyone expressing the objective fact, and yes it is objective fact, that the mentor program serves no practical purpose, is going to upset you. So anything you say or opinion your have in defense of it, is invalid. You're not an objective participant. It's disingenuous.

3. The community doesn't need special snowflakes with entitlement to help itself. If you're in the community, then just help other when they ask. You don't need a special badge or title to do that. And all it does is inflate peoples people egos when in reality your just unpaid and the majority is UNSKILLED labor.

4. You don't make people who are not under your employ the forward facing extension of your company. People who are not vetted or trained. It is a liability. It's presented as "official" and when one of you guys asks a new user if they are single or if they will send feet pics or other degenerate bullshit. You're hurting the platform. You're making other users look bad and and leave.

When you start arguing with a new user because they don't want an avatar you try to give them, you are hurting the platform. When you start following people instance to instance and mobbing them you're hurting the platform.

5. No one is saying that Neos shouldn't be community oriented. We are saying that mentors are not necessary because THERE IS A COMMUNITY. This is not rocket science, why grasp the core concept is beyond me.

6. MENTORS ARE NOT MODERATORS. Neos. Doesn't need moderators. Moderation is done by hosts. People liable for their own instances. Moderators should not be seen or heard. and they definitely should not be using their community accounts for official business. They should also be paid and trained employees that can be fired at a whim, so they don't get drunk with power. Period.

7. Everything I have stated about mentors or moderators. Is from objective professional analysis from people with more experience than you and I am going to assume alarger amount of experience in years then you have even been alive. Both in the VR space and Social virtual world spaces. So disagree all your want. Having an opinion doesn't mean your opinion is not blatantly wrong.

And the reason Neos stopped development is because instead of hiring professionals and headhunting people they took on volunteer developers from the community who threw a temper tantrum.

That's just like, your opinion, man. :3

Shut the fuck up, Donny

Neos continues it's slow player decline. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850183380850180146/981359702405419058/unknown.png

Knowing how Neos actually performs I would say that the vast bulk of those monthly numbers is people who have logged in for a couple hours and never returned.

I'd like to see the data for newly created accounts each month

Make mentor a Discord only role and I have no issue with it.

Just keep that shit out of in world

Tired of all women I've onboarded refusing to ever play again because of the mentors

because they have been creeped on by someone with that stupid badge

It's not all mentors obviously but there are enough creeps in with it that its better to just axe the whole thing

I don't need to convince them. They literally have no say in the matter at the end of the day

if it exists or not.

The entire reason it shouldn't be a community member position is because it causes cliques

people who can't keep their sexual shit separate from a position of responsibility need to go.

The funny part the majority of the user base fucking hates the mentors. The East Asian communities are literally the majority of the player base

about you actually do something about the dozens of reports people already sent

Christ

You people literally do nothing, because predators protect other predators

I don't want hear it

whoa... okay, that's a bit of a stretch...

No, it isn't

Dozen of reports were filed, nothing was done

deal with it

Was really nothing done?

How people have been let go from the mentor program in the last 6 months?

or outright banned from platform more appropriately?

... well, I'm not a mentor, nor do I really want to be one. I see the role as a case of needing to adhere to responsibility of the role and its requirements. Any changes to it, or moderation of the role itself... I wouldn't know, but equally speaking, I also haven't had much of an issue

They probably didn't overcome it...

the answer is zero

Ah

Because there is literally no one in charge of them

well... alright, then since everyone else has more of an understanding of what is going on, who is in charge of the mentor system and considering the lack of action with the tickets, has it been brought up with the individual?

There is no one in charge of them lol

They literally are unorganized and have no direction

Have you tried probably prime? He's one of the more... Brash team members, but very politely brash, if you know what I mean?

That's more what I mean... if it was truly unorganized, then the mentor role would exist... everywhere, since anyone can claim the role. It has to obviously be appointed somehow and by someone...

Name them. At this point that needs to be brought into the light. Pedophilia isn't a fetish its monstrous and a fucking crime

ironic

Very politely, but beneath that politeness there's a more no-nonsense, "had enough of it, go" kind of attitude.

That's not what organized means. Mentors are assigned a roll, have no oversight, no repercussions, no training, and no quotas. They are literally not organized.

Have they violated the ToS?

doesn't sexual harassment and cyber stalking violate the ToS?

well, I get the role itself is not organized in what it is supposed to do, but I was more trying to find the higher up of their role, if you will. If the program is that much of an issue, and tickets are going unanswered, then addressing the one who appoints the mentors would be the next goal in my book

No one knows

Because I think its anyone who has administrative powers can assign it. So basically the dev team. i.e. people who shouldn't even be involved in that program to begin with

Then go to probable prime. I don't think he's the type that will tolerate that. He's the "please kindly leave sir or I will have to call security" type :P

OR who ever should be answering these tickets should answer them.

Ideally yes

The people who were driven away are gone now

Mind if I get a look at this db?

okay, now we're making progress. So, if any developer can assign the role, then yeah... that'd explain quite a lot about why the role is so out of control. In fact... I dare say that might explain why the tickets aren't being addressed: whoever is supposed to address mentor related tickets might not exist or people don't want to or remember who they assigned as the mentor. That could explain the situation a bit better

If I wanted to scam you, I can think of much better ways.

And to me it looks like something making an excuse for shitty people who should be taking it seriously

And this right here is why the mentor needs to go

So we're like, digging up the archives of people who were thrown in a database who may or may not have changed over that time period, and then wanting to report them based on that information?

Apparently there were f-lists involved, see if they have a link. I'd virus scan it first knowing him :V

All I asked was to name the person who is a mentor with pedophilia listed as a fetish in their profile

produce a name

ok

never heard of them, but still that shit needs to be dealt with

Try wayback machine

1. I'm stating that tower unite, a similar type of game, is a mess and shares similarities with neos and other things

2. I have not become a mentor yet, and it is not objective fact, it is a complete opinion.
And I literally agreed with half of your opinion, clearly you did not read what I said. I stated that I think mentors should be for more complicated things, and as such, less easy to get into, and as such I probably wouldn't be a mentor, which would be fine. It is not being disingenuous, and I literally stated I probably would not be part of it. My defense of it does not involve me being a part of it.

3. It has nothing to do with special snowflakes, and teaching people is not unskilled labor, but I definitely see what kind of person you are if you just throw those around as a way to supposedly disarm/ignore anything
4. If mentors are asking new users for feet pics they shouldn't be mentors, plain and simple.

And forcing them to take an avatar, creeping on them, etc, goes against mentor and neos guidelines. There are ways to report mentors that should be used. All of what you're saying is not part of being a mentor, it is reportable offences.

5. I stated that it's good the devs partake in the community.

6. Neos does need moderators. Moderation is done by hosts, but there are people who are malicious and/or bad people who can cause issues across the whole platform, letting them continue to just hop between worlds and let the people deal with it themselves is a bad idea.
7. Everything you have stated is not an objective fact, and the fact that you are painting it as such obviously shows your ego is pretty high to think that everything you say is suddenly above everyone and everything else. But go off I guess.

I dunno, if someone's going around scamming people, etc. I feel like there should be some kinda moderation

If someone gets banned from enough places,.scamming people repeatedly, etc.

There is clearly a toxicity problem going on. Please try to focus on the common issue, and weed out some of the sources of viral toxicity. For that, you will need evidence. Without evidence, even if admins wanted to do something they can't unless you provide evidence kind of like how a court of justice works.

Okay then where is your proof to back it up, the facts that moderators and mentors need to be removed and should never be in this sort of thing no matter what

speaking from experience, some type of global moderation helps big time... but equally speaking, I do also agree it shouldn't be force imposed.

If it's objective fact, there should be proof.

Saying it's a waste of time to back up your facts is just as bad as saying "believe me it's true because I said so".

There's a reason why I'm staying my things are opinions

I have better things to do, then troll in a fucking telegram. You always say people trolling when they bring this stuff up.

You just deflect

Neos needs some private security -_-

Then back up the "facts" for the people who are worth talking to

That would violate my NDA, sorry

Logix is a powerful tool to protect yourself and others.

That's all I will say about that.

lol

So if you don't know how to use it, then you are fucked especially as a new user

So then people who do know how to use it might like to think about forming some sort of watchdog group or something

Yeah keep trying to deflect from the discussion at hand about one of the mentors listing pedophilia on their f-list

That's.. Not what I'm saying at all?

You can find evidence in ways that admins can't, just stay within the guidelines.

I said if there's people like that, report them

That has nothing to do with it being an objective fact that there should be no mentors

Apparently tickets are going unanswered

Or Neos can its shit together and hire news devs and actually build a professional Trust & Safety team

The moderation team and the mentor team operate independently, but if you belive a mentor has been acting in violation of the platform's ToS, please do submit a moderation ticket.

That is a completely different issue

Dude pay attention. There is no one asnwer tickets because the mentor program is literally just an unorganized mess with no vetting

If you're not a mentor then get involved in it.

That would be ideal, but when things aren't going your way, sometimes you need to take action

its not worth it

Yeah, I agree here. There's a way to report it, a system to do so, and if neos mentors are acting against TOS, then use the system.

yeah, you leave the platform and uninstall it

The neos mentors are not the ones who respond to report tickets ^^

It's actually the lead neos moderation and staff

which was the point. People are leaving the p[latform because of mentors in like their first session

Tickets about the mentors, not to the mentors

If you report a mentor, it's only the lead staff, and that's it, who will respond to the report.

Yes exactly.

If you report a mentor, it is not read by the mentors and dealt with by them.

They don't care dude

....a rather odd question, but what is the ticket submission system for such reporting efforts?

pay attention

Oh no, someone on a blacklist verified by private vetting joined the server. Oops now they're gone.

https://moderation.neos.com/

The lead Moderation team isn't employed and has no oversight either.

That's the issue

Who me? I didn't do anything. It was the security software, if it was a false flag I guess you will have to take it up with the vetting team who confirmed the legitimacy of a black mark against your name.

Got another account? Too bad. Logix knows its you.

thank you. Was just curious about that

There is literally no avenue for people getting creeped on to take other than leaving the platform entirely

and the only reason the people I know even reported it is because I had to tell them where to go because I was the one who onboarded them

Unless that same software has protected them in the past.

This right here was my point

If it gets bad, and the moderators ignore evidence, show me the evidence.

It's an issue that needs to be dealt with by hired professionals from outside the community

because all new users are constantly recording their first few hours in neos

Where is this footage?

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC

Jesus

Try hitting record as soon as you see them.

I'm not a new user

you want to be inivte people into neos and tell them to be sure to record incase a mentor tries to sexually harass them?

are you daft?

I'm... so confused... not to mention, can't even non-mentors join into new user sessions and the fact that new users have to opt into allowing others to join in?

I mean you and squiggle specifically as you seem to be having your own problems with mentors? So record it.

Or better yet. Become a mentor so you can record other mentors doing shit they shouldn't be doing.

Perhaps you should read the last hour and a half of chat before we continue. I on boarded like 20-25 people aver the past 3 months, after that while they were on their own at least half of them (being women) had creepy and inappropriate actions with mentors and one was cyber stalked to each new instance they went to.

I don't think it's as common as yall think, but you can pretend to be a new user if you want to see what mentors do

That too

I've brought around 15 people onto neos in the last few months, and no, they were not all furries. About half were, half weren't.

And none of them have had an experience like this so far

what does being furries have to do with anything

Thank you

....so 20-25 is so much better?

The fact that yall would think furries are immediately biased

Exactly, that's why I mentioned that they weren't furries

the point was the women who sought out mentors were made uncomfortable enough to leave the platform indefinitely

Because of you guys thinking they're immediately biased

That's where I'm rather baffled. If you are onboarding so many people and you know this is an issue... then why not join into the session as the people who you onboarded? If a mentor did cause a problem, you'd not only know who but your own presence would most heavily discourage such. If the mentor is that much of an issue... then your own account would only give more to the point.

Squiggle is a furry :V

No I only think a select few individual furries are biased

I never said they were in the wrong

I said that it's not as common of an occurance as it's being made out to be here

Tbh that's it though, it's definitely not as common as it's being made out to be

Amogus man is a furry by the way

I know

You can be a furry and still think furries are biased

That changes nothing about what I said

Case in point

I am too lmao

I never said furries can't be cliquey

:< I'm sorry to hear that. If she feels able to do so, please encourage her to submit a moderation report with her experience. That's unacceptable.

Because believe it or not after I bring people in and show them the ropes they might log in again without me and have questions

and its not just people I have have been trying to bring in, its people I ask in other platforms who say they will never make a neos account again after dealing with mentors. either because they were being creepy or because they were just smug

so

They definitely can be cliquey.

We are distracted here because no one understands what the other is saying.

No one said anything about furries being the facilitators, this is about mentors. If you genuinely consider that this could potentially be a problem and you care please get back on topic.

I've dealt many times with furries being cliquey
But also not just furries
But also I just said it wasn't just furries to avoid this whole disagreement, yet it seems to be an issue anyways.

My whole point is that this stuff honestly should be reported and dealt with, and that it isn't something that is as common as it's being made out to be, yet it still needs to be dealt with.
But trying to say it's always an issue, or such a huge issue that it's most mentors is incorrect.

right cool furries are shitty and not shitty just like everyone else

can we talk about the issue with mentors again?

There was no disagreement. Don't create a disagreement pre-empetively where there is none please or you will often end up manifesting that disagreement by the act of trying to avoid it.

because If i have to fight with the conversation going off rails again, I am just going to go spend my free time building

same

Sorry, from the way everything was being presented, it seemed that most of the situations were people who were going after the new user experience cases. I mean, I am not arguing that the change in the situation is any better, but I just want to better understand what is going on. I agree a reform on the mentor system would be a great idea, especially if a role was given to specifically head them, even if it's just a pre-existing person

oh I know of a few people who are still in neos who constatly have issues with mentors and who those mentors are, but its not my place to make reports on their behalf.

Quite honestly the best thing at this point is to just replace mentors with AI. It's a shitty solution but until the devs do something there is not much you can do other than try to find your own solutions.

and in my case its not them being creepy toward me just, excessively condescending and smug

You don't need to do that

That's what I was doing, I was mentioning that it isn't just furries that I was introducing to negate any accusation of a furry bias

just have a helpful community

thats it

Maybe the AI is already written and just needs to be trained :V

Never had I needed gif reactions more than I do now

I mean I guess

I feel they should not just be a clique, but be genuine people who want to help
I feel they should not be the only introduction to the game

Or you could just have a helpful community

An encourage a healthy helpful community

by getting rid mentors

I agree with this. in my opinion, a reform of the mentor system is needed.

cool, I think at this point just get rid of it.

You are not a mentor and help people, you're already doing that job just be helpful and your already doing better than 80% of the mentors

the problem with that is community knowledge is great... but it won't help out things like documentation. Not to mention, having a lack of official support can be rather discouraging for those who find more comfort knowing the information they are getting is as close to an actual source as possible

It's something I learned over the years. When it comes to social interaction and relationships, if you pre-empt a pitfall which may or may not happen, you can start acting like it is already happening, and when you act like something is already the case in a social situation, that tends to become the reality. I don't know why, I guess people can just sort of pick up on it and mirror it or something? Who knows. Whatever it is, it's subconscious, because I've had people who started acting different towards me because they feared a situation that wasn't happening, I kept trying to re-assure them but I ended up unwittingly being an actor in the creation of the reality they were experiencing in their head. It came out of their head and into real life.

I've been on both ends though. Just try to read situations for what they are and take things as they come without acting a certain way just because they might happen. Sometimes a good idea, usually not a good idea.

Well yes, but I think mentors should be helpful to be honest. And the good experience I had personally with mentors is part of what encouraged me to stick with neos.

But yes, if 80% of mentors are not helpful towards others, I do think that should be dealt with.

I'd become a mentor just to shift that percentile a bit but I really don't have time, I'm too busy and when there is something new I could be busy with I have to really balance my priorities. I'll jump on if someone needs help and I'm free but spending a lot of time on Neos instead of doing other things just because someone might need help that day maybe? I need a guaruntee that someone does need help .-.

I will also say this... volunteer based or not, any official positions, including the mentor system, will have a tug and pull relation on the community. Some will not be impacted, some will treat you like a mall cop, and others will treat you like a looming villian. People blindly just getting the title sours the importance for those who should have it and take their role responsibly.

Well that's what I mean, i don't want it to be cliquey

I'm here if anyone needs me.

I know logix fu :V

any news?

Direct updates... not really?

Well I can say by this point it looks pretty clear to me that the team is pretty much obligated to not kill NCR

CTO says NCR to stay?

He hasn't said that, but I did some reading. Turns out under the SEC's guidelines, NCR is 100% a security therefore Neos in general has a responsibility to uphold to investors.

The white paper saying it is not a security or an investment does not count here. Seen a few case studies where cryptocurrencies said they were not investments and were not securities but the SEC does not see it that way.

SEC's guidelines overrule that type of disclaimer.

This is not a bad thing at all in this case, it's actually a very good thing, provided the team does not turn around and use something else for what they said they would use NCR for.

It is being sold to Americans, and the SEC generally has a pretty far reach when it comes to cryptocurrencies and if not, the ESMA could easily follow suit.

But I'd rather not talk about the jurisdictions and such when it comes to the facts and the facts are, it is considered a security in the country that pretty much controls the entire global economy. So it is a security.

Skimming a document from the ESMA, so far, looks like it may also qualify as a security and be able to enjoy the benefits afforded to such financial instruments. That makes for a healthy Neos Metaverse Economy.

Yup, looser language, but same thing. It is likely that NCR is kept nice and snug under the padded protections of the mainstream economy when it comes to this type of financial instrument. Good news for NCR.

So with the right steps we can have a safe and secure decentralised digital economy spring up in Neos with the rise of the Marketplace. Unfortunately / fortunately, it looks like putting into place the proper framework to protect purchases and digital assets with proof of ownership and such, so a person can ensure their products are not stolen or ripped, may be a requirement in general, NCR or no NCR.

Dear Gods am I really going to suggest this...

I hate myself but, perhaps NFTs could be a method of ensuring that a person is the respective owner of a purchased digital good...?

Please let's find another way xD

We have NCR. This is good. NCR is safe. Let us not throw fuel on to the fire with NFTs

Nah, you don't need to decentralize the ledger for ownership

Especially if as a creator you are limiting the license the Neos only, its better to just do it like second life did

its essentially the same thing but no Blockchain

Blockchain NFT's actually don't do anything other than really function as receipt and ownership isn't implied unless stated in the purchase contract. Over 80% of people who "own" NFTs don't actually own anything because all they bought was a encrpted weblink

NFT's actually solve nothing that traditional Copyright and IP Law don't already cover

They add cost and aren't even legally recognised for this use, so they're basically worse than useless.

CMO is paid, the moderators were also trying to wrangle to get paid, but that would have been the existing ones demanding pay, rather than bringing new ones in in professional positions.

Gosh, I do hope NCR in the current state doesn't become the only currency of the marketplace and stuff

Unless they give you a way to convert it to cash transferring it in game, or change to a different block chain.

Right now, with the fact that etherium has high gas fees and all, it's kind of a mess to use for smaller transactions

Oh Gods no in its current state it... Is not a good option

The goal should be to migrate it to something more optimal.

Yeah, I definitely hope it does get migrated tbh

But the fundamental idea of your NCR being NCR needs to stay the same.

The idea is that people do not lose value via abandonment. Moving it to something like QANX would be ideal IF their claim holds true that their security is post quantum level secure and able to resist quantum computers.

It's the most future proof move and has many advantages over fiat in that, as quantum computers grow, I can just run some quantum code on a quantum cloud server and steal all your fiat.

A financial platform focused on quantum security is ideal because if they go that route, I believe they may end up running blockchain ON a quantum computer itself. Quantum cloud servers and quantum virtual machines are slightly a thing becoming more of a thing.

It's the only way to ensure security. If I understood quantum code I could literally go right now and make an 8 qubit quantum computer go do quantum computer stuff from a regular desktop PC.

Money is doomed without quantum focused security.

XD not going to get far with Shor's algorithm in 8 qbits :P

My Uncle also works at Nintendo. Please stop doing this

I see this one used a lot. Is it in reference to a specific meme/copypasta?

Yes it is. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-uncle-works-at-nintendo

:D i like the one about the confirmed uncle at Nintendo, that's cute.

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i need info about team, project have a Linkedin?

Not much going on on LinkedIn but here’s the official one https://www.linkedin.com/company/neosvr/

I need info about with whom partnerships Neos?

There are several universities using Neos as an edtech/research tool, e.g. university of sydney, czech technical university. also popular at oxford university. siemens is a listed partner on the website too

How i can use NCR in metaverse?

At the moment you can buy storage space or send it between people

what is storage space for?

In game storage space for saving creations

When did the ICO start?

Channel is fine actually, I see lots of good discussion imo. Just need to ban spam.

sometime in 2018

I'll gladly take on a spam-banning roll if karel or andrea want to grant it.

just to zap bots, not for other content like insults/etc

I think Max just has the hots for Elon musk

Andrea Karel spammer

https://twitter.com/NeosFesta/status/1531938612647907328

I'm not sure I can gather the will to enter this time, just feels like treading water on a dead platform and a waste of time :(

I'm going to try. God knows I need some kind of motivation to get out of this mental block.

The Japanese Community is the only part of the platform with any real growth at this point

JMof?

Ah

I see alot of great talks going on here so Idk wtf you mean

Andrea Karel please ban Max.

Well I like the discussions here and they seem generally open minded if not abit rude and unfiltered

but I dunno, over time I genuinely like the ppl here

maybe the unfiltered aspect is also... kind of a benefit? Like, you know you are getting the raw details rather than some summary or whatever

mother f*cker, stop giving my phone a god damn stroke

Its both good and bad

Man... I really wish we had a mod though. Why tf cant you block someone on telegram?

Andrea Could you KINDLY do something about this asshole, or should we consider this telegram also abandoned?

Pretty sure we can consider this telegram channel abandoned. They've been missing for... over a week at least.

The lack of global block and global reporting is pretty terrible.

Oh, did I upset you?

max soften it up.

there are plenty of other places to shill

Literally just one spammer. They couldn't handle literally just one spam account. >.>

This is the team that we're supposed to trust with the future of the project? They literally can not even handle a sub 1k user telegram channel.

Rip

Lol

Pathetic

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I am here mostly just out of obligation so that new users have at least someone to direct them to actual resources. It is embarrassing that this channel is listed as an official contact method.

At least most of us actually use the platform and don't constantly cry out about crappy and pathetic investment opportunities based on a celebrity

Sounds like a you problem honestly

Lol. We are still here and we can still login just fine. Until an official announcement comes in proclaiming a shutdown, I will just do whatever

Bro, you aren't exactly the standing example as to why people should just automatically accept that

At least I have spell check

Nice

I don't feel great harping on max, as they are clearly ESL, but it's still embarrassing that they are still here.

Thanks for reminding me you are actually a kinda crap person max, guilt assuaged :D

just said some homophobic crap about froox

Happy pride month, by the by :P stonewall was a riot <3

Oh boy this is going to get fun

Probably.

Do you want a wall of text about the political nuance between the queer and gay movements, or do you want to dunk on the gay furries?

Well that's one way to confirm. I'm not gay

Not to make a pun, but how far down the rabbit hole do you really want to go?

It's funny how sexuality can be a thing where the body is secondary. I have noticed that too, quite a few ace people finding sexual interest but only within vr. I'm curious as to how much that intersects with body dysmorphia.

Finally just finished cooking, so back to my system I go I guess

good night!

I think its there's all sorts of stunted sexual development out there being reevaluated or enabled through it

Hello

NCR do well when bear market

Bullish NCR

Users will be saddened when buying 1 dollar up 😝

Why would it do well in a bear market? For what reason would anyone buy it?

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I'm surprised how common it is. I call myself gay but I feel like I belong more on some kinda asexual spectrum and the amount of people in vr who can relate to the way I feel about things is stunning.

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Not exactly. The Neos Patreon had a 3k dip on the payments, but Froox had that number long before then. If you compare the dates and earnings, the Neos Patreon lost far more than 3k

It's only charged at the start of each month. New ones show up immediately while "losses" only show up at the next billing cycle AFAIK.

yeah. It'll be a few more days to see that get fixed up when people remember when their cards expired or whatever

but if past months are worth reviewing, it doesn't seem people have been fixing that, at least with Graphtreon as the source

https://imgur.com/a/1tZrnJ8

Assuming the patterns repeat, since the launch of the other patreon, the lost amount is more around $5.7k and continuing, but it is just the dawn of a new month so we'll see if the curves decide to go upward for once or not

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Hello fellow neosers :)

on May 17th, the Neos patreon had ~$22k flat, a difference of little over half the reported difference. I'm not 100% saying that all funds that were lost for one went to the other, because that would have occurred far earlier.

don't get me wrong, the charts do point that's when a full curve DID occur, but the projected losses aren't exactly mirrored as the other's gain. Even the number of patrons didn't really mirror over either, once again more or less being ~50% (~1700 -> ~1600 by May 31, with the other patreon only having 200 members currently)

Yet again self sabotage of the project by Frooxius

Sad to see

If it drops much more, the platform will be in actual risk of infrastructure issues...

I'm wondering if they've already starting lowering tiers for various services because it runs like crap for me now, it's incredibly slow to download anything.

I haven't noticed any speed issues, but I won't argue the backend could use some love that is losing its opportunity for it

It took like 20 seconds to load just the images in my inventory for a folder with like 15 things in it.

Neos has been on a decline of 100 additional users per month at the start of a new one. This happened for April and May, with June being no exception.

that's why I compared the amounts BEFORE the dip, and by that metric, it isn't 200 or even close. Froox also lost some users as well in a similar dip, albeit at a lower number due to a difference in scale

I mean, if you want to add the 100 members lost to your argument and correspond it to Froox, then merely the act of existing is apparently the direct cause of loss of users at the end of every month, so much so that 100 realize this and leave.

but whatever. Not like we have graphics showing this pattern every single time and with basically all patreons

some, yes, but not all.

I already agreed with that point earlier

"are you really, really about to pretend 170 is not close to 200, and that $4796 is not close to $3710, froox's peak earnings? "

Right about... there.

have fun. I'm heading out of work

Things were going well before the team coordinated a sell off and sabotaged their own project.

Then they have the audacity to complain about funding and buybacks when they are the reason for the decline

Completely delusional, stuck in their own bubble

Hello everyone

How we doing? How we feeling?

doing alright. Rewriting my YUR fitness bridge to be friendlier for Neos and other services, tested my new avatar that was re-proportioned for better full body tracking, and tested the newer face tracking blendshapes that were a test of patience

Okay Unironically I would LOVE to have that working YUR on my avatar !!!

Once I have the core stuff done, I will have the github updated for it. Currently doing a python run, but I plan to rewrite it in either C# or C++. Might go C# but run tests to ensure it runs fine with mono.

YUR devs did mention an update to the system so... not sure if the system will continue to work, but by then, they stated they are planning an official OSC system, so at that point, a websocket bridge can be used for that

!!!!!!

In all fairness, I only made my project due to their lack of allowing data sharing in the first place. If they add official support that still offers the same information, then I can't really complain

https://www.xrtoday.com/virtual-reality/facebook-horizon-workrooms-vs-frame-by-virbela/

honestly, if there was an easy way to share a desktop screen in Neos... it'd be usable, but far from perfect. I mean, you can already share files with each other

but for accessibility for attending... yeah.... that's going to be a no

Well, simply put, not sure my office machine could run Neos without having a stroke. That and compared to the others, who have multiple access methods such as from a browser or mobile phones, it'd be hard to even consider that in any setting.

Man ive been trying to rig a character in blender and i am still struggling

🚶🏻

How are you doing :)

that I hire artists for

Yeah true but I try to save my money

So i try to do it by myself 😂

yeah... rigging is my weakness.

⚡️@BscNewhusky
Just launched ⚡️

Reliving $SiHusk's Past (220k+)
Using the Deployer Utility inu

Super Low cap potential moonshot Here with lots of promo from Dev Eli Shane + Minion Help + Moderator Girl

💩https://poocoin.app/tokens/0xa462ac73c9d5783756c97f40684dc369940e6cc6

TG https://t.me/NewHusky

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Why is it called poopoo coin.app . It's a LITTERAL shitcoin

😂

Where is meta

Metagame

😎🚀💪 NCR will be strong

Not from anyone it seems.

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Rip

Karel and Andrea are still around. Just busy working behind the scenes.

CEO need release current plan for NCR holder and metaverses update

I’m here at the bar with Geenz 🙂

Come say hi!

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Does that mean you are among us?

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Odd that no-one, even on Twitter, has mentioned that both BLFC Twitch channels have been banned so they're not streaming anything.

Is this related to Neos?

Oh

https://twitter.com/Blockworks_/status/1533483480507633665

😡

New VR headset from Apple tomorrow?

Hey, maybe chill? This is starting to feel vaguely stalkerish.

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Is Ludwig just Max under a different account? Same style nonsensical posts, same questionable English, etc.

They aren't, just ESL.

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impromptu social gethering in Neos at [Vaporweave right now

bummer

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That's a sus Lucario

👀👀

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Hello!

I have only just been able to register and login to my NEOS account, but I have been a PATREON supporter since early this year JAN/FEB. How can I get my account to register my support and be credited for the extra space etc.?

Did you use the same email address for Neos as Patreon? If so, it's automatic.

I did.

I will give it 24 hrs and see whats up

Thansk for the response

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cheers! have a great day

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Hello

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allo

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News?

Nope :(

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NCR. 39

Silly man

ncr too strong....

NCR slowly recovering , soon

wait till next year :)

apple's vr device will make vr metaverse hype

You take temporary high as absolute measure, unreasonable . Recovery is relational

No, but I also prefer machinery

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neos up vs eth a lot now

Since 0.00005 eth

so 1 NCR is worth 0.00005 ETH on the exchanges?

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https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/pfbid02kQ9HSq1jSuWWQchS65NAmyqTrRsXXHjYej1QJ8R8pqkiGTJAxidqcenkWWHW19pUl

Mark loves Neos

Aaaaand they still have no legs.

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Legs

Pegs

NCR holding up well in the bear market. It will get attention again when people realise

actually there are buyers. did you bother to look at the on-chain data?

That's just FUD. There are thousands of holders, and many wallets buying even to this day

Price spikes are a symptom of buying large amounts at once, nothing more.

There are a lot of smaller buyers

Don't always need big spikes

Only reason I'd hold remote interest in buying NCR is to extend or expand my storage capacity on the cheap

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I think there are a lot of positive things about having the in-world economic system structured around a decentralized ERC20 token. Unlike Second Life and proprietary walled garden microtransaction economies, NCR isn't tethered to a single user account and can be moved to outside wallets and cold storage. It also means that the value persists regardless of the state of the Neos platform itself. I've seen a lot of concern about the gas prices of ETH which is valid, but I think a lot of those issues can be overcome by using internal ledgers, L2s, and sidechains. Post-ICO I also think a lot of volatility can be curbed through strategic sells and buybacks which gives NCR an organic spread that it floats between but also offers a lot of stability for content creators.

NCR will be global currency

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inappropriate....

NCR always holding strong in bear market. People will realise it's a safe place to put their money for the next bull market

Bull market could be sooner than you think if these crazy drops continue

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Wait this guy is a full time microsoft employee. Why would he need a few $100 from patreon

I guess this is just more passive aggression from the team...sad

i agree. i think the truth is it's all about money and they don't want to admit it

everything seems to come back to money. they talk about ico funds & buybacks constantly

they want a piece of that money lol. just admit it

agreed, it would have been fine to come out and say that. but now they've created a big mess and an unfortunate deadlock situation because of miscommunication

Prime was looking for a new job a while back so I guess he doesn't work at Microsoft anymore?

https://twitter.com/ProbablePrime/status/1517250582947368960

and https://twitter.com/ProbablePrime/status/1522300851598991360

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NCR is being incredibly resilient despite the market conditions right now.

cus none of us are sellin

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That's not how it works with price lol

No need to be so aggressive. Isn't this exactly what you want in a bear market? Stability?

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well... who is not doing their job?

playing is Froox's sole purpose as it seems now, and develop other project

he's doing his job :)

go and play with Frooxius,
no updates for half a year.

8 months, 3 days.

The lights are still on, so we can assume Karel is still doing his job.

I don't blame Karel for being sparse with communication. Until there is some kind of resolution and announcement there really isn't much to say, and there is a history of people using anything he says against him.

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he's paying your server fees

literally running business

I'm sure there's other "business" things going on, given that the company hasn't dissolved.

yep. none from bunch of devs

If he stops paying those, that will only make equal to devs.
Not doing job :)

done new web page = marketing
managing ncr price
paying bills and taxes (Andrea is employeed as you know)
building strategy behind the scene

lots of things are needed to even just maintaining services/company

dev is just one part of company's roles (which is of course super important)

useless doesnt mean "not doing any job"

yep

yep thats one of his job

a lot more than 10 devs even just an hour

not praising

its just Froox not doing his job

good for me at least

better than nothing, better than pre version

just go to Froox and say please do his job

have u ever?

i dont care how this drama is going

yep

there are problems, but there are jobs should be done at least

I have no idea what Karel is doing, but it's certainly not anything like leadership. It's a lot like empty posturing and corporate larping. But talk is cheap, I'll just keep doing what I can for the community.

and still, neos user counts are thriving!! wow....

he is keeping his promises in some point

He's getting in the way.

CEO promise new devs

Where are devs???

home kk

yeah he should!!

which devs are refusing

so he needs to hire new ones to use it, but that will not help anyone for now

CEO promise new devs where are these

no

they refusing even dollars now as u know

Is users in group not thinking???

kind of... but truth is they refuse to be paid anyway

how can he use money for devs? he cant even hire new devs now.

CEO already state devs will not be rehire

Ego tripping on his own supply, with no follow through on the projects he actually has sole management of. Uselessly fracturing the public image, this very chat is an apt metaphor. Spun up and unmaintained as the difficulty outstripped his apparent ability to organize.

Where are new devs

anyway, this talks are meaningless

I ask for news but no news

When is new CTO? No answer

please just go to devs and say do your job

thats way more meaningful than this talk