hi

When new video sir

+1

Any of the current neos devs planning on going to any conventions game, furry, tech, etc?

Hello, yes apologies, we're running a bit behind schedule with this, but I am on it and should have the teaser ready for release this week, in the next couple of days. Thanks for understanding!

Hello everyone!

As we rapidly approach the end of 2023, I'm excited to share some upcoming developments for 2024. 🚀

🌐 Neos World Browser: We've redesigned it for easier usability and navigation. The Unreal version of Cooper's Planet will be the first world accessible directly on the web! 🌟

💬 Instant Messaging: This feature will also be implemented directly in the web UI, making it easier for you to connect and communicate.

🎮 Cooper's Planet Gamified Staking: We're in the final stages of preparing this long-anticipated event. It's designed to bring fun and value to both current and new NCR holders. If no major hurdles, we still aim to launch on January 1st, with staking set to start in the coming week. We will announce the exact date here and on X! ⏰

Thank you for your support and being a part of our journey. 😊
And now, here's the promised sneak peek trailer: https://x.com/neos_vr/status/1733054368297910580?s=20

hi is token still relative to neos project?

Since Former ceo has left

Theres no info about the token anymore

Staking means token staking or anything else

It’s token NCR staking

Yes, you can buy storage in Neos with NCR

If you go to https://neos.com/#neos-credits you can click "Read whitepaper" which gives you info about the token.

thx

All of the promotional videos so far has only shown the unreal client in desktop mode, will Neos (unreal) support VR mode on launch?

I noticed that the coopers planet section of this video at least uses Neos Unity. What will this entail? Will it be an update? New world?

Hello, will there be reward for staking for those waiting 2 years when promised first?

I think I got my answer. Obviously the new neos is not the same kind of game it was, and is arguably the opposite. It manages to fall short of even competing with VRChat as a dynamic space despite being labeled as a "metaverse".

How did we even get player animations before cloud loading? The work for getting something like that working in a compatible way to the previous games architecture is ridiculous... Unless this isn't at all going to be compatible.

I had a group approach me last year to animate a "club scene" for their multiverse project using blender. I kinda wonder how much of this is actually in game and how much is blender sizzle reel bc those clearly aren't players, synced animation and perfect spacing. Idk. Sussy

the only thing playing there is maximo animations

Literally was about to say that

so ncr token is not dead ?

So what happened to the new UI trailer from before?

Also, are we ever gonna get higher quality uploads of these trailers, or are they stuck in low bitrate 720p limbo forever?

Actually, another interesting question. What about VR? There's been zero footage or mention.

Are we going to see the other worlds that show up in the world browser in the trailer? Are there actually that many testers?

Project is dead imo. lol we’d all be rich if the founders got along though. Great story about a clash between furries and crypto chads though

Is staek real then?

We are planning to support some viable form of VR in the future, especially targeting mobile headsets which are improving every year. The purpose of these updates shown in the video is to make Neos better optimized and more user-friendly on desktop/web in the more immediate timeframe.😊

Focusing on the positives I believe that the shift towards usability will be appreciated, by both new and current users who might not want to see the same issues in a different coat. This will also help in testing, as the UI in VR will likely mirror the web version where possible.

Cooper's Planet will initially be available as a world in the current NeosVR client, in both VR and desktop of course.

However, we are also working on its in-browser implementation so it won't be necessary to launch the original client if people just want to enjoy the mining experience. As we have always said that this will be done in non-intrusive way so it is up to the user if they would like to engage or not.

I am not aware of the departure of the current Neos CEO, and NCR continues to be part of the project as outlined in the last whitepaper.😊
Yes, currently you can use NCR for buying storage and to make transactions between creators but the future utility is planned to be wider - for example trading and managing asset ownerships within the Neos Store (once there is one of course)

Again by making these things increasingly easier with the recent updates - for instance buying storage directly from your Neos account, we are setting a ground for future updates and functionalities.

thx. I mean Karel left right？

I have been in this project from the very beginning of NEOS

Froox left

Karel still remains

So Unity Client will actually get update?

If all you've ever seen in the project is the money you could make, you're part of why the coin is worth as little as it is.

Will the web and unity clients be compatible?

The CEO is the only one that remained, everyone else left (excluding Andrea, but her presence was essentially non-existent until after everyone else left).

This account continues to spread baloney. Are there any steps being taken to combat the misinformation?

Good to know. Seems beef goes on between them. So much drama. Bad old days.

Im really for Karel. He did everything for this project

The token seems dead. also a chance. But it depends. My suggestion rebrand and issue new token

Since karel is in control. Hope this time cto have no issue on his earnings.....

Wasn't the coin pumped and dumped? Isn't that why it's worth so little?

Why would a new coin go any differently? There needs to be some kind of mechanism to prevent the worth from dropping through the floor if it's gonna last.

The NCR pump became a dump and Karel spent millions in buybacks to try and artificially raise the price. Millions made from the ICO itself. The number is around $50 million that was made from people minting NCR, and he's spent around $47 million of that trying to keep the price up, which has failed. All it did was raise the price to allow people to sell off, lowering it again. "Exit liquidity" is the term

i wonder how this project will turn out considering unity's restrictions

Pretty sure recreating UE editing tools within UE is against TOS, so if they do reimplement everything, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot if EG catches wind

What's the point of even making Cooper's Planet for the existing client if you can't really support it? Will its functionality be identical to the other clients or pared down? You say you plan on supporting VR headsets in the future, but the existing client already does, implying you won't be doing anything with it

I am unsure if that is even legally possible, as the code contained within it is not property of Solirax. I don't know why it hasn't been struck down due to copyright. Maybe a deal was struck allowing the continued distribution?

I disagree here. If not for the former Neos team's work, there would be no product for Karel to manage the finances of. The team's new endeavors demonstrate that Karel is no longer needed for their vision of what Neos could have been regardless

Implied licence, most likely.

Can you expand on that?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_license

Does it matter? One of the founders left and the remaining one can do whatever he wants.

Including deliver.

To salvage anything meaningful from this project will definitely be...challenging, but I am curious to see what their interpretation of "Neos" is after this. Even if they had the full source code, good luck understanding it to update it, meaning they need to make a new Neos while still awkwardly holding the old one. We are seeing this in their plans for an Unreal version, which seems to share no similarities between it and the Unity client except for assets which were copied over

There is a few small problems I see with moving to unreal

If they want to rebuild neos in a way that doesn't split the already tiny playerbase into two groups, they either need to severely limit themselves by trying to make the UE client network compatible with the Unity one, or ditch the unity one entirely. I don't think the former is even possible.

I think that implies that they care at all about making UE compatible with the Unity client. That isn't going to happen, but even if they could, I don't see them wanting to

Can they even patch the security vulnerability? Why don't they kill off the unity client completely? It's only going to cause them issues.

A lot of what the unity client does relies on C# and the nature of JIT. You just can't get that in UE.

At least, afaik.

👍

I feel like that’s partially a matter of “our company got fucked hard and if we abandon it, we have literally nothing to show for it”

Do you get to call it being fucked hard if it's because of decisions you made? I'm pretty sure those are just called consequences. Actions reactions all that jazz.

As far as I can tell, they could patch the standalone. Not sure if they were going through any support channel with steam for the steam client

Apologies if what I said implies it wasn’t them that caused what happened. Solirax is in the “find out” phase

Their previous responses implied that the vulnerability wasn't severe enough to address bc other large companies didn't address it iirc but take that with a shaker of salt bc I'm not willing to scroll back to cite it

Lol it's an rce with the webp library. Every browser, vlc, etc addresses it immediately and told everyone to update immediately

10 on the cvss

Yeah, it's not a small exploit. You really should not be joining public worlds with an unpatched client. Luckily you can patch it yourself by replacing the affected library but that really should be done for you.

It is such a trivial fix from a technical perspective that it boggles the mind as to why it hasn't been done. Literally the only explanation is that they lost access to their steam account and can't be bothered to attempt to regain it.

Probably because they are rationalizing disengaging with Steam so they can put NCR front and center rather than backdooring it. However that is putting the current user base in danger for what is effectively just disenchantment with a distribution model.

Well, it's an interesting situation in Europe because of the GDPR. Failure to patch vulnerabilities can lead to punishment.

And this exploit does grant an attacker access to what one could consider personal data.

To make it a bit more awkward, no regulator has explicitly stated the timeframe by which vulnerabilities should be patched by. However, I think they look at it at a case by case basis and in this case, I wonder if an investigation would reveal if any attempt was made to fix it.

Just contact steam, regain control of your publisher account and ask one of the many people who have volunteered to help you learn how to patch the issue to help push the update.

This is the bare minimum.

So I may have been wrong, but scrolling up the only response that jumped out was karel say their devs would look at frooxs patch to make sure it was all good

But I don't think it ever got patched

Sounds like a good idea will check with our devs whether we can tell the new files are ok. Pretty pathetic Froox didn’t push this update if it’s basically already done. What a pathetic behavior. Certainly not the first case but certainly one of the more obvious and user facing.

It’s basically already done and on GitHub. Your dev can take that code and fix it very quickly. I don’t see why he should come back after having quit working for Solirax. This vulnerability was after they left. They don’t owe Solirax any else after they quit.

If they can't upload a singular file to their steam distribution of the game, why do they hold onto it?

It would be rather wonderful if things just worked the way people envision. I certainly would like to live in a world like that. ✨

In reality it took us about 4+ weeks just liaising here and there with Steam support to regain account access. And since we need to ensure that every commit is authentic and since there is a LOT of code to go through, it requires thorough validation of the patch - which requires devs time. And devs are human beings, not code-churning machines. Usually they juggle more than one project at the time.

We're on it however and this approach is necessary, as there's a big difference between a patch for individual use and integrating it for official download.

It does warm my heart though to know how many people here care so deeply about this update, as it clearly shows Neos isn't 'dead' to them after all. Thank you and we will most definitely inform you as soon as this is fixed!😊

Four people just said the NeosBot is offline and not responding to messages. I can't remove my Patato

Lol I'm not trying to be that guy but karel said he should have updated it himself, now he's so distrusted that it's taken 3+ months to scrutinize something it took him a day to deliver.

Kinda getting mixed signals

"And since we need to ensure that every commit is authentic and since there is a LOT of code to go through, it requires thorough validation of the patch - which requires devs time."
Are you *seriously* telling me that Froox uploading a binary that inherently cannot be checked would have been *more trustworthy* and easier to verify the safety of than open commits? You're joking. You have to be.

wasn't the code made public for that exploit fix?

it's not even a baniry. And is used in his own projects? Why would be dangerous if open?

Yes, but they insist on checking every single little change. And imply they wouldn't need to if a already patched binary was uploaded, which, no, I'd say it's even easier to hide something nasty that way.

No idea. The possibility of different behavior depending on what's running it is possible, but people have already used it with the unity client.

In fact, why is the patch untrustworthy? Why isn't anything else untrustworthy?

I don’t get it. Either they want Froox to work on it or they want to claim to check every line of code. It’d take more effort to look over Froox’s shoulder as he does a fix than to just check his repo.

This is just an excuse to shift blame to that team in my opinion

He has a GitHub repo in which you can build the fix for yourself from the very public source code

And when I say build, I don’t mean any additional effort. I mean loading the project up in visual studio and clicking “publish to folder” to create the library

I don't see any other reason they'd let a built binary be pushed unchecked, but still do this, other than crafting a narrative. If I'm wrong and they have a valid reason to do that, then they should really say it, because I cannot for the life of me think of one.

That repo doesn’t have a build last I checked. They have to build it themselves. Froox isn’t handing them a black box saying “put this in your code”

Yeah, that's what they seem to want him to do.

I am a developer myself, so it is royally annoying when people complain about the fix. There is no way to sugar coat it besides the notion that Solirax either cannot or will not implement it

"Since we need to ensure that every commit is authentic"

"Pretty pathetic Froox didn’t push this update if it’s basically already done." implies that a black box build would have been implicitly trusted

Oh yeah that’s just utter hypocrisy

Whichever viewpoint is the most useful to smear the former team. I do genuinely understand why they need to. They’re stuck with a dead platform they’re paying for each month which they have absolutely no clue how to run or update. They’re in deep shit, so they want someone to place the blame on

But again, they’re just in the find out phase

Literally one file lmao

Its too hard to change one file but were rebuilding the entire game?

If for security reasons they were, I'd understand, but based on this, that's definitely not the case.

Solarax was warned in September, and simultaneously provided with the patch: https://t.me/c/1314262393/51803

Prior to that, Solarax had two turbulent years in which to establish basic control over its assets. Even giving the benefit of the doubt that the company was blindsided by the necessity to maintain control over its distribution channels until the day of a critical security vulnerability, we should have been able to expect a resolution in late October or early November even assuming a 4 week turn around with Steam support. We're in mid December.

Validating a patch does not take a month. The plain and evident truth is that the Solarax team did not prioritize user security in this incident. Solarax continued distributing a client with a known exploit rather than responsibly pausing distribution until they could resolve the issue. Solarax is, at this moment, distributing a client with a known remote code execution vulnerability.

This was incredibly irresponsible and at the bare minimum Neos' user-base deserves an apology and a pledge for Solarax to handle these situations in a responsible manor going forward. Not this 'Oh you're just out of touch with reality ✨' gaslighting and deflecting. You can and should do better.

Put it better than I ever could

Never any criticism for the former team and their abusively witholding the steam access. Just the same old safe punching bags being hit with some air of superiority and patting each other on the back.

Only reason Froox published anything to github over this is because he could potentially been held responsible for it

So he was...responsible?

Isn't that a, good thing?

Over the vulnerability?

Karel If you're not confident in your ability to fight the anti-crypto furies, just abandon the existing code and make a new metaverse in coordination with NCR's majority shareholder, MASSIVELOOP.

who is massiveloop?

another VR metaverse platform

only really gets a good player count when events happen though

@malooniac We don't want to see negative, FUD-causing topics here anymore. The Neos Telegram community needs to be moderated so that it can be a positive, supportive space for Neos.

A little more control would be appreciated

Ok. What criticism do you have for the former team in this regard?

As someone who has had to recover access to steamworks company stuff on steam, it's literally creating a trouble ticket from an account with an e-mail on the official company's domain that typically takes a week at worst.

They open source all their library modifications and even a few of their first party libraries, what are you even on about?

Isn't that FUD?

I am never going to normalize working for a company you quit for free just because they can't be bothered to have good business continuity practices. Frankly, the blame rests with the company. The fact that no one wrote down their steam publisher account password in a security deposit box or corporately owned password vault service boggles the mind.

The fact that the old team just had to quit to have the organization lose source access is such a laughable oversight in the first place. Debating the professionalism of their behavior might be fun for internet points but the bottom line is basic IP safeguarding practices were not in place, not legal, not technical and not procedural. This is a company running a managed wallet for its user base. These practices should not be considered acceptable. I don't care if the previous team behaved unprofessionally when they quit the company, that's their prerogative. What I care about is that we are adequately protected regardless of or in spite of the professionalism displayed. That starts with a business continuity plan and a commitment to at the very least shipping a reasonably safe product.

The Steam client doesn't work with crypto anyway, so why bother? Neos is a crypto-based platform anyway. No problem.

Actually yeah. This.
My money is still on theatrics, but perhaps they can give a valid reason?

This still isn't dead?

Lost shit ton of money on this

This had so much potential in crypto, but i remember that kid CEO fcked up it.

May I ask how much did you lose?

Around $40k

Most of my ETH holding went to ICO.

Jesus

Yea

Fun times

I'm sorry for your losses, how you're doing well otherwise

I have even VR headset and i had fun there with people, but after this loss i never go back there.

PTSD is strong with this one

Otherwise not that bad.

I maybe was talking to you even there

Look familiar

My nick was cryptomaniac

It's possible. I haven't logged in for a while though as most of the community have moved to another platform too.

Vaguely rings a bell, I was 'ash weststar'

I am not sure tho, it's been 2 years

So people are gone?

Where they went?

Whether we knew each other or not, I'm sure we'd get on anyway 😊

Many went to Resonite and a few to VRChat

Don't know these, maybe i could check, still VR owner

I heard about VRchat

But never used

Resonite was started by the Neos developer that left Neos and retains a more modern Neos experience without crypto. VRChat though is entirely unaffiliated but is the largest, without in-world content creation tools

Interesting, i know there was some conflict between CEOs

Yeah, there were two co-founders of Neos and the developer was the one that left.

Yea i thought so

It's shame, i think this could work well, neos with crypto

That's why i invested lof ot money, it made sense back then and still does, but it was handled badly.

I felt crypto was viable, there wasn't anything technically wrong with the idea.

I agree

Buy the deep

I lost value in my NCR, although nothing in comparison to yours

Crypto is crazy in both ways

You can make shit ton of money, but same for other direction.

Karel @malooniac Can NCR be listed on CEXs?

The stand alone client hasn't been updated either.

Didn't the trailer say that the mining will be also on the regular client? If released, but security not patched, wouldn't that be worse?

As mentioned previously, we're actively working on it, so it will be patched.
And the company name you are referring to is 'Solirax'. If you're going to make these big statements full of 'plain and evident truth' you might want to ensure that at least your spelling is correct.

CEXs have many benefits indeed, and once staking is launched it would be good to enhance our visibility but the decision on which particular exchanges is still something to ponder☺️

Petty, and still not resolved.

Yea tbh patch should be priority over teasers and sizzle reels I feel like.

Let me ask you this with perfect spelling, then. Can you outline the work you’re doing on that patch clearly and explain why the publicly available code hasn’t been used as a build already? If it’s because of checking commits for any nefarious code, can you outline how much you’ve checked? You’re doing something about this right? Surely you’ve got something after a couple months?

I will take any amount of actual evidence that whoever is working on the software has actually done something to address the security vulnerability. Until then, I’ll just maintain the opinion that the security of the Unity client isn’t Solirax’s main priority

Different people are working on things like teasers so I am not sure how is that related to the patch. I appreciate your perspective on their value however this is subjective. Small as they are, they're still important they are something positive to highlight, instead of constantly pointing out what's wrong. So they can exist in parallel😊

And for the record I do not mind criticism I am just saying that it is not all doom and gloom.

I've mentioned several times now that this is being worked on, and I apologize if my points aren't coming across clearly. Discussing this further probably won't speed up the process, so I'm not sure what more there is to say on this topic. I will update you once it's implemented. 😊

You have presented 0 evidence that it was actually worked on and why we should trust that Solirax cares about the Unity client here.

@malooniac I do appreciate the fact that you're willing to talk to us and hear us out. I thank you for that, however I definitely don't envy your position.

Why not bring the developer(s) responsible for reviewing the GitHub source code or making their own patch into this chat so they can answer questions? I feel like everyone here would appreciate being able to speak with those working on this project. Especially for those who have or will put money into this, they want re assurance that their money is actually going somewhere. Assurance more than just Unreal asset packs or Mixamo animations

Solirax, in my eyes, is completely beyond the ability to be trusted at their word and needs to be backed up by hard proof. This proof shouldn’t be an issue to produce, and transparency beyond meaningless platitudes is required.

I’d absolutely love to believe that this project is something that would actually live up to the legacy that Neos (and now Resonite) has. Absolutely nothing that made either of those platforms appealing in the first place is on display in any of this promotional material. Please bring the team responsible for working on this project in here and prove that wrong

Waste of time really. They need a finished product not talk.

Both would be really nice tho. And I've been pretty good this year, I'm counting on Santa but I'm not holding my breath

It is very clear that developers can spend time not developing to talk to the community. In fact, it’s a good idea. They shouldn’t be locked in a code dungeon 24/7. It’s a job, they have free time. I won’t pretend for one moment that the entire team is so swamped 24/7 that they can’t as much as poke a toe into any official communication channel

I don't think they need to spend any of their free time here

Why so?

Work is hard enough without being a public face

And if you're the sort of person that doesn't like talking to customers and users directly, it's very tiring.

To be honest, that’s what they signed up for. Developers sometimes talk with clients. I know that all too well.

Additionally, I’d imagine anyone sinking a considerable amount of money into this project would at least want to see the people responsible with building it. All Solirax has to show right now is a couple surface level teasers showing next to no mechanics combined with lots of stock assets. People won’t invest in a “trust me bro”. People need hard proof that their money is going to something promising. None of that has been done here

It was clear what the person signed up for when they set the expectations they don't want to be public

Oh, and also, we don’t even need a two way conversation with said devs. A technical breakdown explaining what’s going on, what they’re working on, and their goals is leagues better than anything that Solirax has said thus far.

Literally any proof that meaningful things are happening is better than anything that’s being done right now

I personally don't think this person can really say much here that changes anything because people are being judged on their actions anyway. So it's really a waste of time, particularly when people are so critical of any statements.

People are critical of these statements because they’ve all been incredibly surface level and ultimately mean next to nothing. I’m looking for actual statements on what’s going on that will instill actual confidence in this project. Something better than a “we are working hard on this. More to come in a deadline we will miss the first time”

It's clear the decision is to focus on delivering something rather than worry about placating the chat because in the end, something needs to be done and not just talk.

Communication is required, and your implication that one or the other has to happen and that meaningful status updates are some kind of Herculean task that will steal so much time from developers is just incorrect. They are delivering nothing because they are showing nothing. It’s not just about placating this chat, it’s about demonstrating any kind of right to exist to speculating investors.

If I wanted to dump immense amounts of money into a project, I’d want one with transparent progress reports, meaningful information, and constant dialogue between investors and the company. None of that is on display here

Communication was provided, you're still unhappy and there is no further interest in saying much more because it's just diminishing returns in this chat. We've seen what happens when they communicate more, a waste of time. There is nothing to invest in right now so there is no point communicating about it until they have something worthwhile to offer.

You don't have to like the answers, but you have them.

but why bot not online? Can't remove potato and friend who wanted to delete old account for new one

I'm noticing a pattern with Andreas responses...

Oh?

Every time there's any acknowledgement of negative feedback, it's always a singular negative statement, and it's always the one that allows them a response with the least responsibility. For instance, responding to iricks criticism, only because it allows for the "you misspelled something, so you must not know what you're talking about" get out jail free card.

Because why waste time actually having a discussion when you can pretend your opposition is stupid?

Never take responsibility, that's FUD.

Given the amount of shit flung at the current public Neos team members, it shouldn't be surprising at all that they don't want to be public to avoid being dogpiled by everyone here. I mean, why would they?

There's also the "it's their job, not their social life" aspect too. Not everyone wants to bring their work home with them.

Legit, the way most companies handle that is one way communication. E.g. Dev logs and curated q&as. I'm also not demanding the devs step forward and name themselves, but hearing how the technical challenges are being addressed, what roadblocks are being experienced, etc goes a long way to keeping the project transparent.

Radio silence is not a good operating policy for a project that relies on the creative output of its user base. Soon (TM) means small devs end up betting on deliverable dates. That doesn't work so well.

This is still a burning question for me. I cannot at all bring myself to believe any of this is being taken seriously by any part of the team without a good reason for this.

Crypto vs Furries Round 2, coming 2024

If neos cleans up their act enough for them to have a future maybe. At least, I assume this is about that.

Hey guys, long time no see 👋
I’m (still) a Patreon member, paying for my sub every month.
Does anyone know when or if at all the credits amount get updated in the Neos account?

Yes, I did 😊

Hi Martijn, NCR from Patreon should be accessible in your Neos account. I've located your email – apologies for the delay in responding. I'm currently looking into your issue and will get in touch with you soon to sort it out.
Can I presume your Patreon email is the same as your Neos email? Thank you so much for your support and patience 🙏💙

not dead yet? :D
long time no see

What the hell are your avatars man

Hi Martijn, just to follow up on this, it should be now all in a good order. Let us know in case you have any other issues☺️

Hello Andrea, thank you.
I see I have received 97 NCR which has a fiat value of about 10 euro’s.
How was this calculated? And for how many months is this?
I’ve been a paying contributor throughout the whole bear market 😬
When I became a Patreon it stated I would be receiving half of my contribution back in NCR pay outs. That’s why I let me membership continue to run.

wiki.neosvr.com/Patreon

“The amount of NCR given out to patrons differs by tier. However, it is usually equivalent to roughly represent approximately 50 - 70% of the tier’s subscription price.”

That one is very outdated.
After the dump, patreon ncr was at ico price levels, while the trading value dropped.
So while it is maybe 0.11$ or something at the moment, patreon is at the ico rate of... Over 20$ per ncr? Not sure what the current state is.

what do you think is the future of neos?

Full of unknowns.

You're receiving at about 50% of the mint value which used to be listed on the website with the old version however that doesn't appear to exist any more. Speaking of the whitepaper even refers to this being the case to check on the website to refer to the mint... which is no longer there so you could calculate it based on existing ncr in circulation.

1. It’s still on the (new) website
2. They never told me they were going to stop paying out
3. I’ve been a Patreon member, supporting this project by paying 150 per month from before the whole Frooxius drama.
4. It doesn’t say mint value anywhere. The real value is the market value.

When I became a Patreon, these were the conditions and since everything is down in writing, it’s equal to an investment contract.

I don’t understand what’s in it for you to try to help them wiggle out with assumptions and making things up, while they have been receiving my money / support the whole time. How much have you been investing in this project per month? 🤔 Easy talk when it’s not your money aye.

Had been Patreon supporter years before too so what?
Im not helping them out, more tried to warn about supporting them futher.

And please dont say it is 'investment' its still a speculation asset. We have never seen any proof of where the ICO money went.

Regarding number 3, Readun definitely was a Patreon member, I've seen the icon in his username on Neos before.

Most investments are speculations. If you buy real estate or stocks. Certainly doesn’t mean there are no rules for both parties 😉

I don't think the authorities have been involved in much of anything here.

I still see Neos as metaverse product having a good potential. I wasn’t happy with Frooxius when he started venting an internal dispute online for the world to see. It was very unprofessional and it cost a lot of people a lot of money. I’m taking about millions here.

*talking

Im not going into details here, as we would get banned, but it had been very heavily the opposite.

One positive thing about crypto is the transparency. And the same goes for membership being payed through PayPal 😊

Have you ever looked at how NCR is handled in NeosVR?

I understand. But they separate ways and I see you are still here too 😊
Probably not just to FUD the project

I feel like I dont need to continue, as this has hard vibes of previous trolls.

I just tried to warn and look a bit more into it yourself.

I see they are building something new. Let them do their job and then we check the end result

I think we're all waiting to see this, the vast majority of discussions on this chat though are people asking for updates.

In the meantime, you can use your acquired NCR to buy storage

It will come. We are just awakening from the bear market. During the bullrun it will probably be good news after good news

I could, but I have not used nor sold any $NCR

If you want to be an armchair lawyer, let me tell you this. When you buy something, the product page is what matters. The Wikipedia page isn’t the product page. Furthermore, it can be freely edited. Attached is the product page. It says you get a fixed amount of NCR. This value was updated as the mint progressed, but notice how it isn’t some percentage of whatever value. The argument isn’t whether it means mint or market value, because the payout is clearly listed. A fixed amount of NCR. If that’s what you get, then nothing wrong has happened.

If you want a good comparison, people wanted to sue Hello Games for all the broken promises regarding No Man’s Sky made during interviews. However, when determining if it was false advertising, they only check the sales pages, as that’s what is regulated. The sales pages were kosher so Hello games did nothing wrong.

Oh lol I can’t send pictures. Check the Patreon tiers

https://www.patreon.com/neosvr

To TLDR, the Patreon didn’t say you’d get a percentage of market value or mint value, merely a fixed number. This number could change based on the minting progress, but no mention of this is in the tier itself. Only the fixed value. Sorry you paid a lot of money without paying attention to what you were subscribing to

Yeah, the $150 tier is 45 NCR which is... about $4.95 right now?

The Wiki is user created and maintained and thus is definitely likely to be wrong. The Patreon itself directly contradicts it.

Oh shit I didn't realize the wiki was still up I thought it got nuked a while back

I've said it before and I'll say it again, get enough NCR and you've got a neat little Dropbox alternative.

Ahoj

Hele jak dlouho CCA trvá převod NCR do wallet? Oo

what?

Sorry, question was for Karl primary. - How long +- i must waiting for NCR transfer into my metamask wallet?

Oh. I know transfers between accounts can fail, but transfers to wallets seemed to be okay in the past. Maybe system changed?

oh i mean +- time for waiting for transfer i know its not instant process

i hope its normally working.

oh. Hours. Seems to take a long time to verify. Best of luck

after 1 hour its be a 48 hours hehe

thanks

oh. yeah, sounds like system messed up

hmm

i just logged into neos to update some of my things in there but my group seems to have disappeared is there any way to get it back?

@malooniac Can we handle this by email instead of here?
I had sent an email before coming here.
Is the “hello@neos.com” e-mail adres still valid / working?

NCR transfer seems like not working...

I try today again hold finger for me!

Fingers held! 🤞

Hi Martjin, yes I have received you email thank you and I have forwarded it further. I will come back to you, apologies for the lag in responding, people are now off for Christmas so communication is a bit slower but I have flagged it up. Thank you so much for your patience and ongoing support. 😊

Hi Viridis, The transactions are processed instantly. If the address was correct, the most likely explanation is that the wallet just isn't following the NCR contract so the transaction could have been already there. If you still fail to receive it please DM me your address so we can check it. 😊

Oh this is funny. You don’t even need to build freeimage anymore! YDMS has built the dlls. It is now literally as easy as a drag and drop.

https://github.com/Yellow-Dog-Man/FreeImage/releases/tag/3.18.0-ydm-0.1.4

“But we need to check for security”

That’s a lie. If you were to do that, you could build it yourself and have fixed this already. A code audit doesn’t take this long. This issue should be urgent in your eyes as long as Neos is freely distributed

YDMS has now spoonfed you everything you need to fix this. Anything after is just a pride issue

It's not about the users safety. It's not about doing what's right. It's not even about taking any action for themselves. It's about theatrics, and pushing blame off themselves. I called them on their hypocrisy in blaming the old devs on the wait, but they never responded, so I'm going to assume they cannot give an actual reason why they're acting the way they are, and because the evidence we have only really shows incompetence and/or malice, that's going to be my conclusion.

Like I said, never take responsibility, that's FUD.

@malooniac please address this. This is the fix. Not even the source code for the fix. Just a drag and drop. Any focus anywhere else besides implementing this fix is a disservice to Neos users, as it shows you have priorities above user safety. That’s no way to offer such a product. Either use this build or spend time doing nothing but auditing its source before building it yourself. Anything else is an insult to Neos players

Imagine taking binaries as trustworthy instead of source code.

Not even code signed

I mean.

That's what they've implied heavily

Neos staff, that is

Let me refer you here

They have flip flopped between “we want Froox to do all the work for us” and “we need to inspect the code to make sure it’s safe”

They’ve had the code available basically since the exploit was discovered and have done nothing. Now they have the built fix and continue to do nothing. They just do not care

Happy holidays everyone

Hope you are having a wonderful season :)

Merry christmas!!

Thank you 🙏
If we don’t speak each other again the coming days, I’m wishing you and of course everyone here and at Neos a Merry Christmas 🎄

☺️ Thank you ! Wishing you and everyone Merry Christmas as well and I hope everyone gets to spend the holiday time in peace and in good health with people that matter to you! 🎄

FYI, Appears messaging is offline in Neos

its done, for some reason i was use different webbrowser and it was working, weirsd why Chrome and Edge dont work with this but its all o.k. now thanks

Karel @malooniac https://gitbook.bitmap.land/

multiple angels??

God himself is getting into a lil bitcoin 😅

So what happened to this? The account has been everywhere in the twitter replies to the official account. Not many people there discussing things on Twitter will be keeping track of what is said here, and won't know.

It has been reported

That won't do anything for the people getting replied to that don't know it's fake.

Is there any update from the team

https://t.me/c/1314262393/54912 is the last update.

Hi everyone, just to let you know, Neos Steam launcher has been updated with the FreeImage patch. We will work on implementing it into the launcher on our website as well in due course. Your patience and support are greatly appreciated as always, thank you!

May I ask what's with the removed files which SteamDB is reporting: https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/13060091/ ?

@malooniac Hello, I would like to ask if NCR still has value in neos projects? Why are NCR prices so low?

You can buy storage with it 😂

Damn thats a lot removed.

It is just a bunch of pdb files that are useful for debugging. They are not needed for users and just make the download a little bit larger. although it would be nice if it was briefly mentioned as part of a changelog. Just a 'we also removed some unneeded files for a smaller download'

Ah right I didn't notice the extension, then it makes sense. But it's odd that they were included in the release in the first place

Thanks for the clarification. Patch notes would be a huge benefit honestly

Atleast what was shown as changed in the above it looks like CloudX.Shared.dll was also changed, not sure what those changes are myself

How did you update the freeimage library? Did you go with just using the recompiled build that they provided or did your code review conclude just right after the dlls were released

Go fxxx yourself

That’s a little rude

You okay there buddy. That was kinda uncalled for. Nobody was even talking about you.

Unless fwang is the new dev? #conspiracy

Rude, mods can you take care of them?

The context for this is lacking the question was open and should be able to be mentioned without being attacked. Otherwise I'd suggest your comment for yourself.

Caution! There is a cult as a group of fans who are extremely devoted to froox***.

Oh nooo! A lot of the minecraft2neos is gone?

yellowdogman swag going ham ngl.

They got Chicago youth going in

I respect the hustle.

idgaf about poliitics.

im a Computer Scientist, not a griffter.

I’m just a pokemon

neat

you need to be caught.

I do not!

Warning! There's someone from 4chan here! They don't even have money to support NCR.

Love your profile pic

Thanks ^.^

Yee ^^

Getting ref sheet done for her currently

Oooooo, nice!

I DM u if thats ok?

I still am down 1.6K from buying NEOS PRO license.

I know you most certainly arent talking about me.

Any word about the future of those licences?

😮 there is an update this is good news

Will there be also a moderation team created?

I want to volunteer

I will make sure that this game stays sfw 😌

I think dogs should vote!

Well this is really good news means neos gets updates again so we can play it again 😃

altho ofc there is now positions that were in-game like moderator and mentor that would need to be refilled

To make sure that the guidelines are being abided by

Neos is still operational currently.

Yep

There is there was an update

Will the code become open source if yes then that's gonna be amazing

Solirax doesn’t own the rights to any of the code

That won’t be happening

You sure are optimistic about the future of this platform

I mean yeah updates are happening again means there is now access to the games code

No it doesn’t

We will see about that

They did file updates. They replaced freeimage and trimmed some extra files like the Minecraft world import files

The game had an update

You’re literally wrong. Solirax doesn’t own the code. That’s why Resonite uses FrooxEngine and Solirax can’t

It's using frooxengine atm

The update didn’t modify code. It just removed files

I can only assume that the agreement they struck is that Solirax can keep distributing neos but they can’t get the source code

Source?

For all we know maybe Froox did give permission for the source code to Solirax.

At the end of the day, a single game update doesn't confirm either way whether they have source code access or not.

Tbh even if Solirax has the source too, they won’t be able to do much with it

They can if there is devs and it's made open source

So this update gives lot of hope

If neos is a car, they didn't do anything to the engine. All they did was replace the car locks (freeimage), and change the paint job (removed some extra files).

Nothing in *this most recent update* validates what either First said, or what you said, Alex.

Neos getting updates Does give hope that Neos is, in fact going somewhere, Alex. I'm not debating that.

Cloudx shared got modified

I’ve modded Neos before. I’ve read decompiled source. A lot of that project wasn’t really set up for the future. Only now are they making a CICD pipeline for Resonite. It took Froox himself a bit to move the build process from his pc to his laptop to develop abroad. That, plus the sheer complexity of the data model the engine runs on is most certainly formidable to learn

Hmm those mods could be intergrated in the code tbh

There is some nice mods out there that add cool function and with open source it will get even more cool features

That would be nice 🙂

If you want Neos with more features and functionality, might I suggest Resonite

That depends if they will fix their nsfw in public issue or not

So neos is still a good option and I bet universities also would like a game that's more sfw which neos is

Nsfw in public?

Thats why I would volunteer for moderator in neos to make sure that won't happen in neos

nsfw didn't tend to happen in public?

Nsfw content is only allowed in private sessions in which all members are over 18 and consent to such content

And by "didn't tend" I mean it was only allowed in private instances

In neos yeah but in resonite well I hope that they read the GitHub and fix their nsfw issue because currently it's a 16+ game and not 18+ so I am not quite happy with things there atm

If you see nsfw content in public sessions, I’d recommend making a moderation ticket, as again, it isn’t allowed

You're still required to do anything nsfw in only private worlds in Resonite

Just look at the GitHub what happened I don't want to explain it here

Right

Anyway I'm excited for neos now there is updates again and we have hope again

I personally wouldn’t keep my hopes up, but whatever floats your boat. I’ll stick to Resonite

Always good to have alternatives too tbh

You do realize the guideline that you didn't like in the other game is exactly the same in here, right?

So unless it gets changed in the future, you're on the wrong boat still.

Only the UE client can be open source.

Nah karel didn't like nsfw being allowed in the game to begin with so the rules for neos probably don't allow it now

So basically neos is now the sfw game

Atleast I hope

Wrong guess, rules haven't been changed: https://wiki.neosvr.com/Guidelines

It’s only a couple days until the release of Cooper’s Planet! Who’s excited?

Let's hope staking works correctly

But yeah, curious to test it

Neos is 13+ according to the wiki.

The latest Neos video is filmed in the Unity client: https://twitter.com/neos_vr/status/1733054368297910580

Coopers planet footage was unity, the hub footage was UE

The biggest tell is the mixamo player animations, which is extremely hard to do in frooxengine. The second biggest tell is the text rendering.

When the camera pans across all the dancing bots in the last scene, the background is glimmering in that "ray trace noise" kind of look, which is something Neos Unity does not support

It looks more like temporal artifacting to me... Actually wait, we're probably both right, raytracing uses a lot of temporal effects. I wish we had the trailer available somewhere that wouldn't crunch it into illegibility

Lol if we're wishing just wish for the release of the client!

The gameplay parts (which is what we care about the most) are in Unity.

Who is "we"? I'd say the continued development of the platform and it's internals is extremely important, especially for it to have any longevity.