The other thing is that most things like simple animations can be more easily carried over from one avatar to another now that I think about it. In Unity, this usually involves whipping out a text editor to manually rename the addressing bones or components. In Neos, just drag and drop.

i mean, depends on what you're doing. Unity has many points where you have to completely re-import your avatar for changes and re-do all the work step by step, usually you dont need to with bases which have unitypackages, and people maintaining them, but when you have a custom avatar its an issue

yeah i know lol

i mean, depends, 90% of the time its quickly transferable, atleast in my cases its never not been transferable with 0 edits or a couple quick edits

depends on the complexity and if you've made it not super hard coded

but because i can in neos i tend to make things more modular and easily transferable as i can

That's more or less what I do. If I have to redo any logix, it's usually because I'm not happy with the previous outcome or found out something that can do the job better. Otherwise, I've transferred logix stuff to all sorts of avatars with minimal difficulty.

5 minutes: who asked?

never said it was, but the same process is equally as long within Unity when starting from scratch, as I mentioned.

dang, i ported someones avatar in like 30 minutes the other day and they were shocked how easy it was

Depending on how drastic the changes are you can use the rig transfer tip to automagicly transfer most stuff. There is also a Logix transfer tool, but I've honestly never seen it work XD. But yeah, you need to build with an eye towards modularity to guarantee a generic solution.

was about to say: only time I ever approach multiple hours is only if I run into an import issue (mostly because the creator didn't follow naming conventions even Unity uses) or if I'm doing final touches on stuff.

strange, for me the pain point for everyone ive introduced was how hard it was to get used to, the ui, and lack of concise learning materials, not avatar creation

ahh

I beg to differ. Tail wagging, for example, can just be one single object with all the components and settings stored within. At that point, it's drag and drop. Same goes for menu components and many others. But then again, creators do this same thing on SL, where they have templates for various functions and features, and just re-use it when needed. Same goes for everything else.
Eventually, even custom things have the same baseline humanoid skeleton, and the rules still apply.

not reading that

to be honest, i personally feel that neos method of avatar creation is 100% better than it is in unity and such

there is just poor learning material by default

that's a you problem, and your five minutes with me are up.

true but at the same time

VRChat's documentation is pretty poor as well

most of the good tutorial information is from the community

They need a huge rework themselves, especially when theres inconsistencies between the Quest and PC Version of vrchat that aren't documented at all

I would, but there's poor documentation on the VRChat specific things that you won't learn by knowing unity

I'll agree to this. It kind of shocks me how much Unity can be janky at times, but at other times seems to come up with happy accidents that end up breaking in a way that actually is useful

i've had a friend be super confused helping me when theyve been working in unity for years as their job, because of the VRChat specific components, and complaining about lack of documentation

The only way I figured out some things was by asking, same as with NEOS.

I mean, yes and no. Stuff like inconsistencies, things that you cannot just learn by messing around unless you wanna take like 2 days nonstop uploading and re-testing, etc, really need documentation

NEOS and VRChat need good documentation both

something that's really annoyed me with NEOS documentation, for instance, is Complex Types, on the wiki you're kind of just told to experiment around, but man it took forever for me to find out that for a StaticFont, the complex type is IAssetProvider`[FrooxEngine.FontSet]

when the asset type for a Material, is IAssetProvider`[FrooxEngine.Material]

which, granted its also listed on the wiki, makes sense if you just... put things after FrooxEngine.

you want material, you put material
you want a StaticFont as its called, it's FontSet

i think a good way to fix atleast that one would be to have StaticFont also work, possibly

granted documentation would be better, but this could work for consistency

would be better/more intuitive if you could just put "Material" or "Font"

This one I did run into as an issue one night. I was able to figure out eventually, but that was fairly confusing.
What's more: I'm more confused that there is no way to quickly 'recall' previously used 'custom' types. If I used a float?, then why can't I just reuse it again?

or, just list the most common ones, and have the rest be like this

so instead of IAssetProvider`[FrooxEngine.FontSet]
just Font / StaticFont youd enter

that would be good yeah

so basically, a 'contains' search after x characters

but also, definitely they need to list out the common ones

like, i shouldnt have to type out material, its a common thing people would use for ReferenceMultiDriver

imagine doing exact string matching within a set of typenames

yeah

oh yeah, but also the full access type stuff could be fine tuned and made much more usable too

Oh yeah, I assume the UX update will overhaul alot and hopefully it'll solve many of the issues people have

Though as a note for people trying to build their avatars in a way that will allow for easy transplanting in the future, the DynamicBlendShapeDriver component helps signifigently. You can throw it on your system and have it hook into a skinned mesh renderer to basically break the hard dependency on blend shape references as long as they are named the same.

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I had my first experience of creating an avatar this weekend and was surprised how quick and easy it was, and left me wanting to learn more.

I customised in readyplayerme downloaded the glb file, opened it in neos and used the avatar calibration tool.

I know I’m only scratching the surface but having a personalised avatar in-world in less than 30mins was cool!

Try play with "attach component" physics > dynamic bones

Create from children function all the way down and you have a dynamic bone system

( you can do this on ears, tails, hair,...)

is there a way to comment your logiy system to remember what ist what?

I would say sticking with redprints it the best methode

But if you want to comment more inside the logic, just really use lables or strings

Also, redprint comments are not actual part of the "code" that executed (if you can call logix code)

Yea, that pretty much was the point i tried to make ;)

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Hi

Have you guys ever tried a signal channel? I recommend @GemFinder100X they made me 14 BNB in the past 3 weeks.

Hey there!

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Prior to this whole debacle if I held NCR could I trade it for ETH?

you still can

Ah ok, someone told me NCR is non-tradeable, like Roblox bux

NCR is still there, it's still tradable, it still functions ingame even

Thank you

don't let the psychotic discord trolls tell you otherwise

Well the thing I heard, not from the Discord, but from a guy I spoke to is that ETH is traded for NCR, but not the other way around.

well they must be an idiot

NCR is tradable for ETH on Uniswap... has been for a looong time

It is an ERC-20 token. It has the same limitations as other ERC-20 tokens, you do still need to have ETH to cover the gas fees, etc, but it is definitely tradeable. There is an in game managed ledger that ballences have to be manually processed in and out of if you want to use your balance on platform for native player tipping and storage purchases, but that's about it in terms of funkiness when using NCR.

Thank you so much :)

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User is talking of mint address. Send eth get ncr

In the preview of the message it got cut off at mi.. and I was hoping it said milk

oh, ok makes perfect sense sorry

i got used to seeing like certain pathetic sorts trying to convince users of all sorts of ncr related stuff

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No I meant I was told that ETH can be traded for NCR but you can't trade NCR for ETH. Or you know, cash in the NCR for anything

That might be a misconception about minting, where you can only get NCR for ETH, but that'd be a really bad exchange right now

Ah ok, thought so. Be weary of anyone telling you stuff like that, or that NCR is being removed, or that NCR has no value, other lies meant to financially hurt you

NCR is being traded freely on exchanges for ETH and tethered coins

there's a lot of creeps elsewhere who are trying to assert wishful thinking as truth

Uhm, NCR has no value might actually be true, the future will tell

I hope for NCR go up though

however NCR go up might be wishful thinking... who knows

It has value -now- though. They're just getting ahead of themselves

do mind though: Don't send NCR to the minting address, you won't get ETH or anything back. And infact don't mint NCR, you can get it much cheaper from Uniswap

Something like about 30 cents for NCR or where is it now?

minting is like $15 per NCR, compared to 30 cents on exchange, that's a really bad mint currently

I don't like posting the exact price incase it bothers someone. It can be abit stress inducing to some in this community

but it's.... "about" around there

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chilloutVR is now competing with neos for users lol

Its a little interesting that both had pretty similiar numbers from the incident

https://steamdb.info/graph/?compare=661130,740250

but tbf, that graph is missing the standalone part from Neos

the difference being chillout was not on the radar and now it's a direct competitor in terms of usercount

neos continues to fall behind

That isn't surprising. ChilloutVR is just VRChat with a different name, mostly. Its vastly easier, doesn't have much complicated featurs or environment

Its the main reason apple is successful. Simple beats performance, featurs... everthing...

Also wierd is the extreme inconsistency of Chillouts daily up and down o. o
Thats suggesting that they have a lot of server issues?

imagine if the last 8 months Neos was being worked on and stuff, then was prepared to answer the call of fate instead of failing (again)

Neos was given a golden oppertunity twice

managed to blunder both times for stupid and selfish reasons

neos development is stunned because of the problems between management and developers

There is really nothing that can be done until it is solved

As far as I know it is being worked on, but hold back until the dispute is resolved.

Yes, code is written by the devs, just not patched in to not fuel the fires

I'll spell it out for you: the dispute is the stupid part

And Neos instantly upped their infrastructure on aws when the spike happend to keep up with all the new users.

The dispute can only end two ways. One is that its an hostile overtake, but the devs would go and probably create a similar piece of software with a new name

Or it gets solved and the devs stay in control, and the patches can go back into neos..

In my opinion

Thats mostly it, yes

+ the fact most of the stuff in neos would disappear with the first way.

So if the people involved have any sense, the second will happen. But until it does, nothing moves, for obvious reason

It just would add to the software that could be taken with an hostile overtake

Its like paying into a bankaccount you don't 100% know you own

Also thats the beauty on aws... its a cloud infrastructure. Its designed to be scaleable in that way

I thought Neos was using Azure. All links for Neos seem to refer to it

hmm... yea you right, its azure based, i too the wrong hint but same goes for that too.. same thing really

its not a hostile takeover, thats giving it too much credit. it's a childish fued about comfort and attitude being off

eh, fair and true.

i never said that a hostile takeover will happen, i just say that it would be nonsense to patch into a system you are not sure could be taken from you

First of all, at the 100000$ thing, it was already in a dispute internally, it was mostly caused due to crypto spiking and NCR was given out for way under minting and exchange prices through the patreon.
Also we never really know what happend to that money aswell.

So it was an artificial patreon spike

Honestly all that matters is that VRChat isn't the only titan in the space. Having multiple spaces competing is great.

Neos was given two undue golden opportunities and passed them up. I guess it was more important to be comfy and dab on your funders to make neet furs happy (but not happy enough to play your game)

What golden opportunity... the ncr spike pretty much created the issues. And no, i don't want to start a discussion if crypto currency is good or bad, but its a fact that it is pretty much the reason why everything is now frozen in place

The "opportunity" now is gone because of that too pretty much

getting a windfall of cash is a bad thing....

you're an idiot

All the people worrying about NCR I'm just vibing with furries in VR kek

Back to randomly insulting.

its not cash, its a resource... and all the theoretical cash you may or may not have is like a networth... its good to have but (as seen) can be gone as quickly. And yea, money creates issues, as seen, its not always helpful, expecially not at the wrong time (while alpha development)

too much money.. hmmm I dunno I think in thr right hands, brilliant people do amazing things with that kinda capital

The Issue was already unfolding before a spike above 0.30 was happening.

and like, childish people squabble and lose it

I think crypto currency is worth talking about, BUT its not money, never pretend that it is. Its a resource. Like shiny rocks... can be diamonds, can be glass but in the end its just something you trade with

Not money, never money..

Imagine not having 1 or 2 toxic employees convincing a weakwilled cto to toss aside a fated golden oopertunity just to make them feel like they won an argument

Crypto right now is just too unstable to be a valid, day-to-day currency.

Don't make me post the Starcraft 2 tweet

You can also pay in potatoes if someone takes this as payment, doesn't mean its money

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🤓 "starcraft 2" 🤓
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you can easily convert crypto into cash in minutes. can we move on?

bro look at this pfp

you're arguing with The Boss Baby of Neos

lmfao

Its a trade... i do think crypto currencys are something that obviously is good and required, but it is a commodity. If you try to convert all of the crypto currency that neos has into cash right now, you would see that immediatly after 1-2% there is no more need for this product

It is a resource you trade, not money

ok so... neos got a big, fat, undeserved fat stack of """ resources"""" dropped in its lap

floximo dumps a big fat undeserved resource in their pants on the daily

and the friends were all like "I dont want to compromise my comfort level with a deadline....."

If your way to lead a discussion is based on personal attacks, perhaps you are the boss baby here ;)

I am pretty sure it was not about deadlines^^

I've noticed that every Neos chat that's in any way involved in NCR is an absolute mess of Cryptobros vs. Furries lol

Oh no, you found my user information, how could you

Its not that bad, usually "cryptobros" are sensible adult people

poggers honestly

yeah theres no one to fight with, sorry jewel

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we're talking about what a collossal fuckup the devs are, not NCR

Now who will make my maps for me to chart a course

I don't think NCR is currently a problem, one way or the other. Its worth is pretty much at a good point, relativ to the users and interest. It has no actual negativ or positiv impact on neos currently

All that stays are the personal problems of the people involved from ceo to devs

thats a cute way to spell positiv or negativ

I see, no i am not. Yea i am aware that a lot of english words have a silent e on the end

I'd argue that with how much bad press crypto has been generating for the last ~2 years, the mere association to crypto (and the "metaverse" term and NFTs) has actually put off a lot of people who will just outright refuse to touch anything semi-related to crypto. I've had so many friends refuse to play Neos because at first they see the NCR and are put off by that alone.

That is true, at least the people that came to neos in the last days asked a lot about that and often didn't get into the game because its somehow connected to NFT's or crypto

But yea, could be because of the way the neos webpage currently looks like, its pretty... lets say NCR/crypto positiv :D

Crypto seemed like a good call for Neos when NCR launched in like 2018 but after the blockchain/crypto boom that happened, people absolutely vilify crypto and having ties to it and the metaverse gives a bad first impression. Thing is, Neos was associating with crypto and metaverse well before they gained so much bad rep so it's not even the Neos' team's fault, just their misfortune.

I guarantee you its more your friwnds dont want to be arsed to download a new game

btw guys I boycott diablo immortal, a game I was never going to play once in my life

I guarantee you it's the crypto because I also was put off by it when I started.

It genuinely does leave a bad taste in the mouth.

I mean with that i was a lot in the help channel of neos and a lot of questions came from that side "does neos do crypto-calculations on my computer" "do i need to mine crypto for this game" "is ncr required for using neos"

well maybe thats a you problem

NCR is one in a pond of problems

It was not usually about actual issues of neos with crypto currency, but people having wrong ideas about neos

NCR seems cool, it's neat to have an in-game currency that's not just an in-game currency, but there's no real use for it. People will just use Gumroad or Paypal direct transfers or anything else if they want to make money making content for VR social platforms. *NCR was made to solve the problem of consumer-to-creator transactions but realistically, what person making their living off commission work is gonna put their faith into an unstable cryptocurrency that could plummet at any moment, or what consumer would want to spend a resource that could triple in value at any moment?

i dont think the point of NCR was to stake your goddamn livelyhood on it

Yeah, it wasn't, but now that cryptocurrency has gone from decentralized, user-to-user transactions to a financial investment, the use for it and the environment it operates in is totally different.

I have to say that is actual a valid problem. I like the idea of NCR as ingame trading resource, but at the same time its fluctuations would make it less useful then a token-system of any other kind. But it does secure that the creators of neos can't create currency from thin air... like wow-gold or any other virtual unprotected resource, and it can be traded freely

I guess the assumption is that it would find stabilityz but to also be at peace with the fact of fluctuating market prices. In its early phase now? It's very much something to speculate on or hold because you love Neos (and thats okay)

Right now, with crypto being treated as a financial investment rather than a usable currency, there's no reliability in it as a currency. If you had 10 NCR that was worth $10 today, but you knew there was the possibility for it to turn into $100 at any moment, why would you actually use the currency as a currency? It's not like other currencies where fluctuations tend to be a few cents tops. A crypto can swing high or low at any moment and that naturally pushes people to hoard, not spend.

See that's the problem, "was going to." NCR came to solve the problem before the problem existed.

Well obviously it's become a problem because nobody is actually using the currency as a currency. The only people I see concerned with NCR are people who don't play Neos.

If your objective is to make a currency and nobody uses your currency, you have a problem.

Nobody is using it as a currency because people making their living off commissions or art in general don't wanna stake their livelihood on the health of internet funny money

Crypto has a purpose, it really does, but it hasn't got one in Neos for now.

because those systems were halted

NCR was used plenty within Neos as far as tipping people... But I think we've all known from the start that NCR's value is, frankly, as valuable as people's collectivr imagination of how far Neos will go

I've been playing since January 4 of this year and honest to god have seen NCR used once. Besides that, the only place I've ever seen actively accepting NCR was Elysium. That's literally it.

Pretty much, also it will scale pretty much with the amount of players involved in neos

people would use ncr if there was a marketplace to buy and sell things for ncr. with automatic transactions. but those systems were halted

well people sure were buying the fuck out of it.

But that doesn't mean its a good currency for people to pay each other

NCR can still be sent and received, can't it?

Stability for starters.

I will never stop laughing about the Starcraft 2 tournament where the 1st place prize was like $500 and the 5th to 8th place prize was 25 BTC

Stability, ability to quickly use it for paying your rent or for food (acceptance) and the ability to quickly change hands safely

NCR does the last, possibly..

it depends. Its a hell of alot easiee for me to sebd crypto to friends in foreign countries than deal with various payment processors. And certain things like when I buy (legal) pharmacuticals frok foreign countries. crypto is pretty much my only option. I use it atleast once a week.

because those systems were halted

i actually also pay some things in crypto sometimes, but not with NCR ;)

NCR going from $0.32 at the start of Nov 21, spiking to ~$9.00 in Dec 21, then crashing back to $0.25 at the beginning of March 22 is nowhere near comparable to this lol

I feel like that needs no comment, but yea, it is also an unusual extrem change. Still, crypto IS usually volatile, so..

If a currency multiplies 30x in a matter of 2 months, how in the world are you supposed to have confidence in using it to buy something?

Thanks for pointing out another problem with crypto! It's easy to be manipulated!

And YOU pointed that one out yourself!

NCRs primary function, and what it honestly served startlingly well, was to raise cspital for Neos. It fulfilled its part of thr bargain and many of us were happy to have it because we believed in Neos (and some still so) and becsuse it was an oppertunity to put money into something you also invested your imagination into. I understsnd there will always be people who dont understand or fight agsinst that perspective, just like there's people who cant get why someone would buy spaceships in Star Citizen.

Yep, this. If NCR had remained "We just need funding, here's a little bonus" I genuinely think it would have gone over so much better.

Genuinely just wanna give the Neos team my money so they can continue to make something great.

I am happy to get NCR for the patreon... well currently the patron isn't really near what you would expect to get in NCR but i found it fun having a token in my hand that i know will get worth way more IF neos succeedes

Its like having a part of the success of Neos... but it does not make it a good currency to pay each other sadly

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Neos was getting slammed and threatened by its own devs. Like, lets not be disingenuous here and pretend this is a crypro-inherent outcome. Look at something like MANA (decentraland's coin) and see how its weathered a depressed market roughly 10x better

NCR just gives me storage and the ability to gift it to others.

Crypto being able to get screwed by one singular entity is an inherent flaw of crypto.

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And wraps back into the problem of stability.

poggy

We talked about the "doing nothing" part already i think.. you would not go pay into a bankaccount you are not 100% sure you own anymore, even when you did think before its yours

Sometimes I think of the whole crapstorm that coulda been avoided if Neos just never got involved with crypto.

It... did. It was being sold like that all along and also promised to interact with a store. Its when crypto became a bad word among bored twitter furs and neets that it spooked the weakwilled devs into threatening to remove it, which cratered the price.

The possiblity of hostile takeover. If the 2 people most in charge have a clinch over the ownership of neos, the programmers would be stupid to patch more featurs in into a software they could lose

"and also promised to interact with a store." that's what I'm saying, it shouldn't have been that. It should have literally ONLY been "We need money, here's something in return, do what you want but we have no promises."

I don't understand why this is funny?

That is an entirely different thing to frooxius

That might be true for the others

thats the dumbest pitch I've ever heard. What is inherently wrong with Neos having a store and native currency? Other than youve got twitter brainworms that crypto is a political word to you now

Yes, so if he wants 100% control of the software, he would be stupid to feed in more worth into a product he wants to take control over

What's wrong is saying "Here's a currency for a store that doesn't exist" and tying the company down to implementing this thing "at some point"

It would defeat his own position in any negotioation

Ahh, what a fun conversation.

I am pretty sure you did something in your life as a child you regretted... doesn't really make you an idiot... i mean... not THAT

are we going to have an intermission soon? I need a refill of soda

Neos prollu wouldnt exist right now. There is. full stop. NOTHING wrong with the ICO's premise. We were very happy to own NCR and feel happy with imagining what we would do in a future store. And Neos was happy to get the money

Many years ago he made a company with his friend... now they are no longer friends... pretty much the story

the problems with NCR are fully. and ONLY related to the team's public behavior. Period.

And all the inherent flaws of crypto.

Stop like, sidestepping it and trying so desperately to make it about crypto because you can't wrap your mind around the series of events that led us to this point

i feel like this discussion died now ;)

soder

dey put da maser cheef in da soder

and crypto is just a fucking asset. Being a crypto doesnt give it magical properties. like wtf. If something has price swings that means its fucking illiquid (AND USUALLY THAT MEANS ITS UNDERVALUED)

sry my food arrived

welp, time to instead get GGF9000 instead (Seriously, it's actually good)

NCR was offered only on Uniswap mind you.

Guacamole Gamer Fart moment

no mug moments here

anyway I dunno why we're having babby's first crypto discussion here anyway

As mentioned earlier, any Neos chat that has NCR mentioned in the name is gonna have these around the clock lol

fact is NCR fulfilled its role in raising an obscene amount of cash for the platform. Its the human failings of the team that failed to capitalized on it.

funny furry game go brrrr

I will concede that part of that failing was that crypto became a naughty word around this time

or experienced its peak of that

Like I said, Neos got unlucky. They started up NCR during a time where crypto had a net neutral public perception but then crypto quickly generated heat in 2021.

you mean Neos was extremely lucky

Like they just had to get along. Furs on twitter were going to get bored of complaining about crypto as a hot button issue in short order

You say it like disliking crypto is exclusively a furry thing?

Like, unless youre just incredibly weakwilled and can't go without every furry avatar praising you in discord for 5 minutes, there's no reason to panic

no, it just became a very furry thing. Probably because furries are always online, are attracted to drama.

Orc missed the part where we were delisted from steam because of the public perception of cryptocurrencies apparently.

dude i can guarantee you that disliking crypto is not inherently furry lol

then quickly put back on Steam?

I didnt say it was, but Neos is

and not because of the public perception. Dont pretend to work for Valve (unless you do). They clearly did it to cover their asses from regulation

Poor Orc :<

yeah poor me, I want to do anything right now except have this conversation for the 10th or so time

the condescension is embarrassing

thats fine, I dont mind

Id rather irick tell me what they really think instead of pretending to be nice

It was off for like a solid month, wasn't it?

Infact it missed the Valve banwave by like over a week iirc

Meanwhile, discord got flooded with VRC fanboys after the removal to basically rub salt on the wound, because of course they can.

And following that... NCR's price exploded

Maybe everyone was in a frazzled state and that's why they made a series of incredibly weird decisions

This is me being nice. I'm genuinely sorry that you are having something you care about get dragged through the dirt in the discourse.

well I believe you here, though I don't want to be the guy who cares so much about such a thing, so much as I get discouraged when I perceive an unfair situation or widespread misunderstandings going unchallenged

Or a combination of both when I see so much undue agression over something I think is pretty mundane and also code, which I dont think believing in a type of code or style of computing should be considered controversial...

Anything with the potential for meaningful systemic change is going to be controversial. Doesn't really matter what change it is.

and I'd be ok with that being a spectacular failure on its own honestly, but not for it being misunderstood

I don't have a massive attachment to it being understood. If it's useful then it's useful. Though I would rather the community's investment not get deleted. I'd like to see NCR usable, but at least to me that means taking it out of the spotlight.

I mentioned this before, but I'd ideally like to see us operating an exchange for the (future) store. I don't think it would be a hard sell to transition NCR to a more backend technology. Minimize the casual user's risk exposure by using it as a momentary intermediary between whatever preferred currency pairs the parties have selected. That also minimizes the backlash of having a cryptocurrency price graph front and center, which I genuinely believe is liability for adoption given the current discourse in games media.

yeah, even I've been in favor of changing the front facing image ti be less crypto, atleast for a good while

they needed to remove mention of nft's from the patreon

probably months ago

Yea, that would be good... AND it would be good to redesign the website as well, but thats pretty much all only possible the moment the actual issue is solved, one way or another.

they could've done that and still given those patrons their nfts in the future

I dont get whats wrong with thr website itself, just the way NCR is pimped out on it isn't appropriate

I still have no idea how those NFTs were supposed to work given the monthly patreon thing.

Well, Neos Credits is the first menu point. Fair enough that you have to scroll down for the explaination, but the big neos picture has the big "N" of Neos Credits as the core of the first full-broad picture

Its hard to deemphasize it when there's an open movement to remove it with certain devs, so any concession feels like it's yielding to that

Everything we talk about is pretty much nonsense anyway, as long as the future for neos is not clear and finally decided. It doesn't really matter what the outcome is, as long as there is a decission. And sure, the NAME neos may then change but at least it would go forward. Nothing is as damaging as a non-decission

well if it's not seen as an attack on its existence, I think speaking to Andrea would go far in conveying you just dont want to scare off new users

honeatly this stuff should have been handles months prior

My biggest issue with the website is that it doesn't really work right. The lack of flexibility in the website builder tool resulting in 404ing after successful account creation is annoying to have to explain.

its a nasty combination..

its all of these things just loudly cpnvey to new users "we're not ready, come back later"

thats mostly what I would hear about Neos, that it has potential, that someday it could compete with VRChat

thats the kindest thing people have to say about it

I saw that, but it was a massive cope over the revelation it took like over a year to do a trailer

mmhmm. Neos has clear priorities like the ability to manipulate another's avatar in ways other designers would worry about

I dont think anything geenz says is real though. He is always defending some narrative and then at times seems completely out of the loop

of like big things. Im not sure but it seemed like he had no idea what rothenburg ventures was until just recently

and I only took note of that because he's always yapping sy people telling them what to think like an authority, but it lookd weird in addition to everything. He constantly is stirring shit while not knowing what is going on around him.

he also always says "we" when he means himself

the salary he demanded shows someone completely out of touch with the situation he's forcing us all in

Yeah I wanted to ask, is there a way to lock people from altering my avatar so that only I can alter it?

Thank you!

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Looks like buybacks are winding down

A 600k sub VR specific youtuber is going to be releasing a video completely dedicated to Neos soon.

What a God damn fucking shame the golden goose is already dead.

is it going to be a good video

also we've already lost the playerbase injection from vrc's announcement

that doesnt answer my question, mr. peepants

Something people need to realize is that when a bunch of people jump onto a game or exposed to it suddenly, retention is going to be extremely low. I'd say of all the people that see a really big video like that or of all the people that hopped on Neos after VRC, maybe 15% of people will stay.

vrc retained a massive amount of users off of an internet meme

neos has history with regard to struggling to retain players despite attention

it was the first to do it in a way that appealed to the masses

then established a monopoly

how did vrc establish a monopoly

what steps did it take to monopolise the vr space

gained insane market dominance that established as effectively the only one in the vr social space race

read

you have serious reading comprehension issues my friend

https://i.imgur.com/gA9pqJq.png

if you disagree, reply to them, not me

it's literally the message right above

Thrillseeker. Does a lot of VR news videos. His stuff is Allright.

It will be the biggest shout out Neos has ever gotten.

mhmm....

I wander if his presence went under the radar. Or if he mentioned he was a youtuber and then got the red carpet treatment.

I watch every video thrillseeker puts out, theyre relatively good

it'll probably be positive, he really likes to hype things up

I dun think he got noticed too much at Neos, atleast not in the discord many months back iirc

I wonder if he will get into the neos politics at all in his video. If he went under the radar then he might have gotten a more balanced view of things.

If not, then he might be hyping up a dead end platform without realizing it.

Thrillseeker

https://m.youtube.com/c/ThrillSeekerVR

based on what im hearing in his latest video, it doesnt look like he'll cover the politics at all

He uses reactent's clip every time he brings up Neos.

I don't understand the migration in general. VRC is working overtime right now to bring all the features that were lost from banned modified clients.

The good features that is.

Were there a bunch of porn mods that got banned?

he made some of the best clips for Neos.. lol. IMO he was a big part of ncr going big

I dunno if the devs have approached him or not. they don't really seem the proactive type to do that, plus according to them they're not ready to do any marketing

yeah theyre more the ivory tower type

you need to get good at picking good targets too

when he was originally telling everyone to get upset about his pay, I thought there was somethimg of a legitimate claim possibly there

then I saw how much he was demanding

from an indie project that isnt profitable

they go by they/them pronouns bud

but also

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PAY!!!!!!!

well Im bad about pronouns, its not on purpose

whatever its about is so vague it can change at their whim

its about Karel insulted their ego

yeah it's about karel saying furries might bark at you or something

karel committed a furry hate crime

If you want to be hired by someone, you should do some basic research about them when expecting a job, it seems like Geenz did nothing of that sort as far as how the game maintains itself

well to be fair I imagine plenty dont want to hang out with someone who isnt also an anime girl

They seemed to not know anything about the history of Neos or either founder's involvement, despite constantly telling others what to think

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everything points to this being a really stupid, personal fued and it's really dumb that Froox didnt have the stuff to just stop it

Ive lost almost all respect for him after reading a 2016 blogpost where he was going on about how no one would fund him and set him up an environment to just code... then to see him years later treat his funders as a disposibpd nuisance is just pathetic

yeah its definitely a wormtongue situation

ah, well said

it boggles my mind the aggression toward the notion that people bought NCR expecting a profit. "you wanted a profit" is said as an insult there but it shows the weird entitled behavior youre able to articulate because I hardly can. I hate using the word "entitled" but I dont know what else to call it

its a lesson on trust, but teaches me how a colleague can bolster bodies against you, and more thsn that how destructive hugbox's can be

I think Karel sees himself as existing to make Neos a successful company/product, and Froox sees Neos as existing to provide him the lifestyle he wants

actually, Im making alot of assumptikns about karel, Ill actuslly admit that. Maybe he just wants profit but that still aligns with Neos being successful, but his actions seem to say he emotionally gives a fuck

it is but in this community we're supposed to live off of hugs and erp

yeah, maybe so. Like a big drop of cash came slamming into them at the worst time it seemed, so although I think MOST groups would have utilized it well enough,maybe that binkiefur had a point in that money can fuck things up

lesson is to be prepared for unexpected good to happen. It seems everyone thought the world would stand still and wait for them or progress at their snail pace

they like to talk about it like "we dont get this weird thing that gave us lotsa money" *waving hands around*

but in November it seemed like atleast Probable and some others were on board with some excitement about having funding

it was treated like an unwelcomed or ubcomfortable change

I guess, in a childish way. Like its OK to hear that from the community and nod and agree eith them to a degree... but you dont take that to heart and gimp yourself so that you can keep feeling like a good person

with VRC I think they genuinely have problems they want to solve and are having conviction

I think we're actually lucky to get to observe how it works out for them

yeah its not standing still for a drawn out strike..

on the bright side you got to see some big pitfalls to avoid in your own future

who knows, maybe 10 years from now youll be in a partnership and get to think of neos and avoid somethjng stupid

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Make sure to get a good lawyer...

As they say, there's nothing more expensive than a cheap lawyer

Like we are learning here

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there is booming and there's booming. One is good, the other is bad. The good one has substantial value backed by something, the bad one is a bubble that pops at any time and has the price dropping

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Tbh stopping buybacks now would be weird since now is the time for the momentum to shift and ncr to start moving upwards again

Very little volume can push ncr up to $1 now since there’s so little in circulation

I guessed that. Also I don't think anyone would be against the good version. However I guess people assume the bad version, whenever someone wants it to go up (to the moon)

The issue is, with so much of the coin being owned by the creator... that does not look good at all for any crypto speculant. Thats a reason why a lot of whales jumped the ship too.

Yes, that gives the creator the possibilities to stabilize the price and that makes it usable as a utility instead of a speculative coin

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Here's a sample of what can be built in Neos. If you have any questions or would like something similar, please let me know :) https://youtu.be/aokKhTgB1zI

They can use the NCR to reward beneficial activity within the ecosystem, it's a long term play

Reward people that actually make Neos great to vest them

That's the point of CDFT, i guess that could be expanded to use Neos owned NCR though.

Yes, a lot more use cases that can be supported with meaningful amounts over a longer periods of time. I think it's important for Neos itself to hold majority of the supply actually, considering how early metaverse space is

I don't know what's going on in anyone's head, I just have to assume there's some sort of plan, I guess. I don't know if there's a desire to go another funding run with the NCR again in the future, or what is planned for it. If it's intended to be burned for the sake of current holders, or if its related to legal stuff..

I think its possible NCR could get forked and/or wallet ownership relinquished to nother party, and I wonder if there's some sort of preparring to do anything like that

happy to see sirkitree here

Best time to buy NCR tbh. Could see a big recovery soon

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Lol

Bitcoin or ncr whatever it's main goal was to be used on the dark web to make purchases

That's literally it's target xD

People needing to sell their NCR have to rely on people buying it. It's not necessarily the best time to buy the token, especially considering the public perception and the direction that crypto is headed financially, to speak nothing of the company itself.

There's an internal dispute and the token is itself a major part of that dispute, so it's really a gamble for anyone without insider information.

It is risky

well to be fair, by the time you wait for things to be super safe, the opportunity won't be the same

😂

It's still a little different than speculating on if... An emergent technology will be successful, or a business will do very well. The outcome of NCR's value depends on both the state of crypto, which is currently unstable, and also on the result of legal and internal disputes of the company that controls the token.

Since NCR may be ousted from neos in some scenarios, it's a big big gamble. It's all or nothing and that's a big risk. That's not even talking about whether or not neos succeeds past the legal dispute.

If you have a really good idea of how the legal dispute will play out because you know a lot about the law, and the court that will deal with it, then you'd probably have a better idea of whether or not the risk is worth taking.

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Hey now, they may be misinformed. No reason to call them names.

you're white

sry late response

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The insiders could make millions from this situation, fud and accumulate and flip the switch when crypto starts booming again

Hello everyone. I’ve been meaning to join for months, but here I am. Just introducing myself: I’m an actor based in South Africa, starring in The MetaMovie: “Alien Rescue”, a live theatre-like show in NeosVR. I am also the voice artist you can hear in the Neos world “Neos: The Universe”. Hope everyone is well.

Good to see you again! :) You do amazing work!

Hey! Thanks 🙂

Comedy action movie? :o

Is this question for me? Alien Rescue is an action/adventure theatre-movie happening in NeosVR, with live actors and paying participants. You get to shoot aliens and save some others. It can be comedic too, depending on the interactions we get from our guest players. We improv around what they give us. Anyway, I know thus channel is about NCR, so don’t want to break any rules :)

That's very cool, big respect. And no worries, I am sure the brief respite from the mountains of constant back-and-forth about Who Dunnit won't harm the quality of this channel.

I wanted to experience that movie once

Find me on Twitter and we can chat further about the show :)

I don't know how to chat on twitter

hello, glad to get to meet you

also this channel isnt just about NCR

we just get pigeon-holed that way

and we argue about it alot..

The meta-movie is a lot of fun. I've been through it twice. :)

Also the crew is just the best. :D loved having y'all run through Rise with us.

Aw, thanks hun. Yup, everyone is welcome!

Whenever I find out that new shows are planned, every possible show was sold out already

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more ppl quitting 😔😔😔😔

fud

Happy friday everyone! 😊

To make this channel more enjoyable place, we’ve created some simple chat rules that are effective as of today.
Please read these rules carefully as refusal to comply will result in a warning and three warnings will result in a 🚷permanent ban. 
We are getting moderation help to assist with keeping the rules in place.

🚀Neos Metaverse - Neos Credits Telegram chat rules https://wiki.neos.com/Neos_Telegram

🔴 I'd like to especially stress that we won't tolerate insults, harassment, and abusive language towards any group member. By not following that rule you put yourself for an instant ban.✋

🔴 Spreading FUD or misinformation about NCR is also not going to be tolerated as this group has been designed as a space where people can enjoy constructive and ideally intellectual debate about Neos Metaverse and NCR.

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And this is really just common sense but I feel it needs to be reminded:

Please don't argue just for the sake of arguing (this includes posting memes or snarky comments that are meant to offend someone). People tend to get defensive when they are being attacked for what they say or do and then it's hard for them to hear what you're trying to say. 

If someone says something you disagree with, try responding by asking clarifying questions first, rather than jumping into a straight argument.

Please refrain from posting messages and content that is not related to Neos Metaverse or NCR.
Constantly bringing up drama, past situations or disputes is not appreciated so please take it elsewhere.

And lastly please try to alleviate the strain on any current or future admins by respecting each other's opinions. 
If you have a question, please try to use an appropriate #hashtag when you ask so we can help you more efficiently.

🙏Let's work together to make this space a bit more pleasant so everyone feels welcome.

Thank a lot and have a wonderful day!🌼

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Thank you, we already have, should start this weekend or early next week. 😊

That's good news =]

Gm

Things changing

Baby steps but in the right direction

is there a tldr? to the situation?

The CTO and CEO are negotiating a change in Neos due to disagreements. When this is resolved there will be announcements.

oke thanks

i just hope they find a Solution that don't upset the community like vrchat, i just startet and i am loving neos as a game

i do not want to give my opinion because i do not know what exactly the situation is

Hi @Der_TJ_Telegram , welcome to the Neos community and we are really glad that you enjoy the game so far. 😊

https://twitter.com/KN28619919/status/1555485335492055040?s=20&t=mYulPhf14mVhPCdBk_PwdQ has anyone tried to toy around with Tilt Brush import into Neos? Some of their brushes are great, especially these that can interact with music. I think there is a great scope for similar tools in Neos.

Perhaps there are some already there, waiting to be discovered 😁 I am always amazed of what people are able to make. So much creativity❤️

Ok, here is my first impression I had when I started with NEOS.
When I was on the NEOS site for the first time and saw the cryptocurrency I immediately thought of all the scams with crypto. Since I often hear only bad things about crypto in general. Except the big currencies like Bitcoin and Co, I just hope it does not continue. I have a super bad feeling about the NFT's. Since I have never heard of a good NFT.

Also, I always worry that if real money or cryptocurrencies are in the game, that the game will turn into a pay to play.

I think the patron system is very good up to the 10€ patreon, everything else above it seems a bit pointless as far as the extra perks are concerned, except for the extended storage space, which is oke, like 2d/3d badges seem pointless because you can do something like that very easily ingame about names, an exit message? I'm just confused about what that's supposed to mean, I don't quite understand it, it just seems like you've run out of ideas and you're trying to think of something afterward. In my opinion, groups should be much earlier or completely free of charge and usable for every player, but possibly without memory.

I wouldn't mind implementing some kind of storage subscription system directly into the game or the possibility of renting some kind of server for sessions as an alternative to the patron.
As an example: €1.99 = 2GB of memory and 2 simultaneous sessions that do not run on your own computer but on the server. How exactly that should look like I don't want to make it a topic here because it also depends on server performance and costs. that's just an example

well you're gonna get along well with the people who hate NCR and wanna fuck us over then

WTF what is your problem PLEAS read carfuly i never mentint anything about hating the nrc or fuking neos wtf

I read you.

is just said i dont like them because i hear aloot of bad things about them if ncr is a dood currency i have no problem with it

is ther only black and wight in your brain? no gray?

NCR is Neo's native crypto. There's many that want to have it removed because they say it gives a bad impression and should be removed, and your take validates their concerns (and is valid feedback)

if i am not loving nrc i dont hate it by default

I'm not saying you did

I'm not trying to argue with you

yea you did kinda

Calm yourself down

Basically it's feedback we've been hearing for awhile now, that the website needs to be changed

and Neos is being called a "crypto game" by some, so something needs to change

so an you then explain me how nrc works and what can i do with it ?

You don't need to use NCR ever to play Neos

oke now i am more confused? what is the purpuse of ncr?

if you play on Steam, you can't even interact with it. If you play the standalone client, you can use NCR but it's function ingame is just something you can give to people (like a tip)

okey but if its is disabelt in steam and ther is no normal donlod on the neos webside how can i aktivate it?

When/if a market does exist, you'll be able to buy things with regular payment like paypal too

just don't worry about it. Just enjoy Neos for free.

it 100% won't help or hinder your experience

At the moment, you can pay people with it for goods and services or buy/gift some storage. It was intended to be the basis for an in game market. To use NCR at the moment you need to be on the stand-alone (non-steam) build on neos, which is available on the website. On a technical level it tries to address some of the environmental impact concerns of cryptocurrencies by keeping most transactions on an internal ledger.

but i like the idea of tipping somone

ok, then let me ask this. How old are you? because you'd need to go buy it and I just don't suggest a young person doing that

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and it's an involved process. Just don't go fucking with crypto unless you know what you're doing. NCR is geared more for those people atm

ok well...

oke because in my cryptro traiding app i cant find ncr

you use a crypto trading app?