- 13 August 2022 (32 messages)
- 14 August 2022 (64 messages)
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A large VR influencer posted a video about Neos today. I think it was well made, but I'd like to hear others opinions on it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvAKRWC82gNeos VR: The Untold Story of a Metaverse TragedyHello. Today I have a full on documentary of probably the most tragic story within the entire VR industry. Developers shafted, a $500,000,000 market cap shriveled into nothing, and a community left torn. But there is still hope. Actually something interesting I came across, Neos had a Quest/ Quest 2 and Oculus go version in development as well. Interesting addition. Basically though, crypto tore Neos apart from the inside out, no matter how compelling the technology. Thank you to everyone that participated in my dozens of interviews. This is one of the largest "journalistic" videos I have ever done and it took a lot of work, but I hope you enjoyed it. Much Love, Thrill My links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/Thrilluwu Discord: https://discord.gg/2hCGM9BYez Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Neos discord: https://discord.gg/eNYu4xbhVF
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Thanks for posting the video.😊 I was made aware of it before it went live.
I understand that non-biased journalism isn't fully possible here, because it's quite hard to grasp the whole situation without all the information and context. Production-wise it's a nice video, even if a little too dramatic for my personal preference.
But I understand that it's for audience engagement.☺️
The biggest issue I see here is people having fundamental problems with the NCR being ingrained in Neos. They somehow feel threatened by this whole crypto thing. They think this is "Karel's vision". And don't see much utility.
And you can't blame them. I agree here with the author of the video that so many of the new metaverse projects are nothing but empty promises and ways to suck money from gullible people. People are scared because in their eyes, crypto-bro mentality has the potential to spoil something they love so dearly. But we shouldn't let that cloud our judgment when it comes to Neos and NCR. We can choose how to write the narrative here. -
We're building something new and innovative. Something that has value beyond the platform itself. There is a potential for a whole massive open source ecosystem. And I don't think it can be fully achieved if Neos relies on some VC funding or centralized solutions.
I feel the video does not stress enough the point that NCR has the potential to return something to the community and that it can provide freedom to the project as a whole. We all want Neos to be this amazing metaverse that Thrill showed us: an immersive, open world where people can create whatever they want without limits or boundaries. And it could happen tomorrow—only people themself have that freedom of choice. -
Both Karel and Frooxius wanted everyone who contributed and helped to make Neos a reality to benefit from its success. And grow Neos' user base and ecosystem organically. One platform for education, work, and entertainment. Just like they outlined in the whitepaper.
Patreon subscriptions gave NCR perks because the founders believed that if Neos makes it big one day, those who helped should be taken care of.
I can't see much wrong with that.
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When I joined, there was already a split you could sense and negative sentiment towards Karel. I do not wish to discuss anything detailed here because a lot of things were said to me in confidence and I will respect that.
What I can tell you is that I saw a very talented team with passion and drive that could go really far. I also saw two men who had difficulty communicating with each other and were under a lot of pressure caused by the whole metaverse-boom situation.
It would be best if you ask Frooxius or the team themselves because anything I say will be just my view and I don't wish to create more rumors or spark a heated debate. -
Despite the challenges we've faced, I did my best to work with the team and tried to do my job as best I could. I understand that they were surprised that I was brought on. That is not something that was in my control. If people feel they had issues with me, they had every means of contacting me and talking it through. They still have. I don't claim that everything was perfect and I always gave my apologies when proven wrong. We all grow. So I sleep okay ☺️
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I appreciate the support and the message thank you. But really this is not about me. I don’t want to make it about me.
Literally all I want is for everyone to be in a better place so they can feel they are fulfilled and working on something that is aligned in what they believe. But we can’t move if we constantly bring back the same story.
I will always be here for anyone who wants to talk but I don’t have a superpower of making things back to normal unless people are willing to forgive and move on.
But at very least we could try to stop the scaremongering. Neos won’t die. That’s is in nobody’s interest. Too many people care ☺️ -
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If you're talking about Neos failing in a blockchain sense, why are you doing it in 2021 the way you're doing it in 2018? I think it comes down to.
https://twitter.com/WakiyamaP/status/1558838960088293376?t=U601pCEjLpklEPupUg1FAA&s=19LinkNeosのブロックチェーン的な意味での失敗と言うなら2021年に何で2018年のやり方やってんですか？に尽きると思うのよな
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There was a trend to make it a Governance token, but it ended up being a discord vote, and what were you giving out CDTFs for? I was wondering what was the point of distributing CDTFs? I think that if they are going to do this nowadays, the distribution should have been done by USDC stables and the fee should have been allocated by NCR's share. Well, I guess it's too late for that.
https://twitter.com/WakiyamaP/status/1558839775913975809?t=Szmko7Drrfva2edyC8ldJw&s=19LinkGovernanceトークンにするって流れはあったけど、結局discord投票になってたし何のためにCDTF配ってたんですか？というお気持ちにはなった。今どきでやるなら流通はUSDCなりのステーブルでして手数料はNCRの持ち分で配分でにすべきだったのだろうなと。まぁ今更感あるけど
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If you're talking about being destroyed by people speculating, then the DISCORD vote is more at risk. Then the percentage of people who were doing existing NeosVR was clearly higher, including the ones who were handing out CDTFs and such. However, it was a bad idea to get involved in such an evil technology as blockchain, so it was inevitable in part. It's hard.
https://twitter.com/WakiyamaP/status/1558840440073629697?t=nre4bmOcgQShA17wlcM3og&s=19Link投機の人間にやられると言うならdiscord投票のほうが危ういんだよなぁ。それならCDTFなりで配ってた分含めて既存のNeosVRやってた人間の比率が明らかに高かった。とは言えブロックチェーンとか言う悪の技術に関わるの自体がダメな感じだったので致し方なしな部分もある。難しい
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He is 500,000 holder
https://etherscan.io/address/0x880c4f74c3d4c39d75f8e2ad958f40671416bf66wakiyamap.eth | Address 0x880c4f74c3d4c39d75f8e2ad958f40671416bf66 | EtherscanThe Address 0x880c4f74c3d4c39d75f8e2ad958f40671416bf66 page allows users to view transactions, balances, token holdings and transfers of ERC-20, ERC-721 and ERC-1155 (NFT) tokens, and analytics.
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It was never meant as a governance token, it was meant as a "hey, have some token of gratitude so we remember who helped our project" -
The biggest mess it made wasn't that it exploded in value needlessly, but that the sudden stream of money devided the two friends who creates this project togehter. And obviously you can't replace the main programmer of this project, because its his brain child. And the one actually managing the money can't also not easily be replaced... now everything is at a standstill until they figure it out and one of them has the project. Depending on who that is it stays the same project or it devides into 2 projects (second under different name lead by the programer probably)
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Governance tokens have proven so far to be ineffective and, with few exceptions, a long term failure for coordinated action. More to the point, DAOs and governance systems don't seem well suited for software development decisions.
Only thing NCR needs to be in order to succeed is what's already in place, it just needs to be given a chance, and actual support from the team and community. Which unfortunately doesn't seem that likely at this point. -
Actually, governance Token doesn't make any sense at all. That would put Neos into a direction the community in Neos doesn't want to go - 15 August 2022 (68 messages)
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He is one of those rare individuals who is listed at the top of the holder rankings, yet cares about the community.
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i will hold NCR till end of my life
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why so shorted sight?
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every coin has two sides
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try to learn something you dont know before there is a new world to you
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cant believe people view crypto in 2022
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All I can say is when I play I dont even notice the crypto my personal opinion it can be its own thing and not harm neos in the slightest. -
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Heya
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How can I change my camera to third person? I read pressing alt should be it but it doesnt do anything.
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tyty
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Japan heavily regulates 'crypto assets'. Systems with privacy focused features are banned, transactions are heavily taxed, exchanges are regulated the same way banks are. Personally, I do not see them as a good model to hold up, but the general acceptance of 'crypto assets' is understandable given how integrated they are into the traditional financial systems. -
I'm not quite sure if (and how much) crypto really is integrated a lot in traditional financial systems I know in the professional financial world like asset management crypto is regarded as a joke.
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That goes for everywhere as well outside of Japan. I can't think of any exceptions where countries aren't crazily political with different movements
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Agreed on that
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Every country is political the idea that one is crazy political vs another isn't true imo
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The east has a lot of political and social movements just like the west does.
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Yup... There it is
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@NonnyFreedom Just tagging you in :)
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Politics is performed differently across different cultures, but I think it's naive to make statements about more or less political cultures. Politics boils down to questions of social structure and the flow of power, and those are fundamental questions of being in society. It is likely massively misleading to apply the metrics of liberal democratic engagement to Japan, seeing as that system being installed is sort of the result of blatant imperialism.
- 16 August 2022 (3 messages)
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no doubtes
- 17 August 2022 (64 messages)
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How’s Neos going?
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neos is good
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Ncr pamp or no
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not now
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Inshallah
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Well… I hope Horizon launch fantasy avatars soon…
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And flying
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Or you could just start a voting process with all the projects shareholders/leads. Why do we need crypto for this?
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We have options for the community to vote of features. This is free and cool
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The community doesn't want votes in that way though
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Absolut nothing will get done until the two people fighting for ownership figure it out. It doesn't even mather that much who wins out. If karrel takes control, its fine too and Frooxius can start under a new name and a new Neos. This standstill is the worst for all sides.
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ffs
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that was quick
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Who owns the IP for Neos and the engine?
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That is a good question
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There are no NCR shareholders
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Heisenberg ...
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compounding that is the internal amount in-world, given that its held on behalf of the user until requested to be transitioned out. Would that amount be considered to be owned by the company, even if it's just holding on behalf of the users?
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I don't know. So far the buy backs seemed to have been like the right thing. Though I don't really know
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Market cap is $10-15m, Neos will get acquired.
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NEOS wont get acquired. The whole point of the ICO is to make sure no one party owns this shit. Its commercially viable for everyone and will eventually go Open Source. -
Atleast thats Karels Narrative.
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Acquisition doesn't equal corporate or crypto ownership. It just means giving it back to Tomas and the devs, having a strategy and funding to execute for the long term.
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In terms of IP, the company is co-owned 50/50. Whether there is legal paperwork beyond company information and accounts is another matter. I suspect not.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09279564/filing-historySOLIRAX LTD filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UKSOLIRAX LTD - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
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The market cap and in fact NCR itself has nothing to do with the company ownership or shares etc.
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one of the few times i'll agree with prime
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True.
But a toxic CEO is easily removed in any acquisition, they don't have to come as part of the deal. The talent and IP itself sits with Tomas. Without him and the community to continue development it's worthless.
But an investment under the right acquisition strategy would see this sit above pretty much every other platform that exists today.
It's already leagues ahead.
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Thats pretty much why we hope the outcome is that froox get control. The product (name and current software) will not get far without the one that actual made most of it
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Its just not a finished product and so specific that it is not something that can just be taken over by other programers easily
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But even if not, the people will go after whatever product frooxius builds pretty much, even if it would not be named neos.
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The problem isn't that people do not know about Neos, but rather that they usually stay away from the high learning curve or other unfolding events.
VRChat is akin to the same lightning that struck Second Life and made it the juggernaut we see today: it was pure luck. There were many other platforms much like SL at the time, but they didn't get the same draw of a userbase.
This is so much so, that when Phillip Rosedale attempted to make lightning strike twice, it failed not once, but twice. Both HiFi and Sansar failed to remain relevant, despite news coverage and heavy investments, at the time outweighing Neos and VRC combined. Despite very positive note, it wasn't met with the same welcome and soon both faded to obscurity. -
You can throw money at the problem and keep its lights on, but an empty room is an empty room, no matter how many lightbulbs you put in it
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From what I've been able to find, HiFi intentionally pivoted away from VR to focus on spacalized audio chat. That seems more like a specific vision shift.
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I think the reason that not many people know about Neos is that historically (to my understanding) the main focus was on the development of product itself and not marketing it—and that's why the community around Neos remains very close nit, supportive, and very different from some platforms you have mentioned where the process was working in reverse - first marketing and then the product.
- 18 August 2022 (57 messages)
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Secondly, I don't think it's very effective to compare Neos with VR Chat, Decentraland or Sandbox etc as they have a different target market. Neos in its robustness is very heavily focused on creator community which naturally brings in different kind of audience than say VR Chat that has been primarily a socialising platform. Similarly Decentraland that you mention is targeting very different kind of audience with to their play-to-earn business model and heavy marketing, tokenizaition, DAO etc. Go to any metaverse conference where Decentraland has presence and you will see a very different kind of people.
Neither platform is necessarily better or worse in my opinion. They are just different. (Neos can definitelly beat them on their a** when it comes to functionality however, may I be pardoned for my choice of words 😁) -
https://dot.la/philip-rosedale-metaverse-2657125163.html This is actually a really good interview where he talks about the issues with transition from 2D to 3D space. I agree there that Second Life was very sucessful in attracting people who really wanted to be there - and live there. But for majority of people that experience was still very limiting. And it still is. Until we have something that is very fluid, and easy, where you can very seemlesly transition from VR to base reality without massively complicated set up, the mass adoption won't happen. But it doesn't mean we should stop trying. Quite the opposite I think. And open-source will be the key. No locked in platform has a chance to be "the metaverse" .The true metaverse is something that will organically happen, gradually, not something we can force out. Just my opinion.Office Hours: Virtual Reality Pioneer Philip Rosedale on the Future of the Metaverse
On this episode of Office Hours, the Linden Lab and High Fidelity founder discusses Web3 and the possibilities of the metaverse.
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Awesome, I will check it out, many thanks 🙏
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Sansar may not have been Philips project, but the teams working on it and the HiFi group were in touch a lot. In fact, during the premiere of Ready Player One, they all went to the same theatre and talked alot before and after the movie.
As for why he thought HiFi didn't work... well....
https://www.highfidelity.com/backlog/requiem-for-the-hmdRequiem for the HMDFour hard things need to happen before the HMD can replace mobile and desktop screens, says Philip Rosedale. Read more.
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(It's also a cautionary tale about just making your stuff open source and thinking that solves everything.)
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I agree there are a lot of issues and technical challenges with the open-source approach. We need to find a way to balance pro's and con's.
Neos is already quite good in tackling issues that are a major hurdle for other platforms, like all the various asset formats, or versioning. It's still not completely smooth experience but we are getting there. I think standards will play a big role in the future.
Then open Neos could become a metaverse benchmark. You could get all these niche or large branches, all co-existing alongside, everything beautifully interconnected. Just imagine being able to acess Neos from anywhere or any device. That would be a huge step forward for the whole metaverse and web3 industry. -
But yes, you still have to think of security, monetization, regulation, etc. otherwise it's a chaos. 😁Also some proprietary technology is still important because there is a (growing) base of professional and educational users.
You can see how challenging this is all going to be😅 but if we support the right values - the economy of creation and contribution, which Neos for all its flaws has got right, we are on a good path. -
And that is very exciting.☺️
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Neos has to become an engine itself. Currently it's a showcase for what's possible without any roadmap. That's the problem when you have a CEO who's just an ideas man and doesn't drive a vision.
Some of the features today are only just coming out under other startups and yet if people knew this platform existed they'd build and invest.
To fully become the P2P decentralised platform it needs to be then it has to decouple from Unity entirely and become a new engine in its own right.
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I agree on the Unity part. It's a situational solution with many limitations. At least to my understanding as I do not claim to be an expert in that area.
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Where can i find tokenomics?
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cant find anything related to it
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https://neos.com/#neos-credits
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/61e55a05ff9ce033ad45f7fa/62e7cc2493f3fb5fe28ffd08_Neos%20Whitepaper%20Version%201.06.pdfNeos MetaverseNeos is a virtual reality metaverse that reinvents and generalizes the way social experiences and various virtual creations are built, to let them all coexist in one shared space.
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need vesting schedule
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There is no vesting schedule.
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is the tokens airdropped?
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There are no airdrops, all the details are in the whitepaper, if there were airdrops they'd be in the whitepaper.
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When was tge happened
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What is a tge?
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token generation event
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There was no token generation event, all tokens are minted by users. As detailed in the whitepaper
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ok tq
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Thanks! make sure to read the whitepaper for other important details.
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sure
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Follow the link on the website, it will get you to the most up to date one
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When what?
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Ah I see the crypto shillers are arriving again...
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If anyone in the Solirax/ Neos team wants to talk acquisition/ investment HMU, or anyone in the community interested in talking too.
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i love my time on neos so much its an amazing experience and its given me the creative means to do just about anything i wish. personally i feel its got a long way to go but i feel one day it can become the VR internet good examples is like you can open your browser and go to youtube much like logging into neos and going to a friends world so in a whole it could become the future of internet
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Thank you for sharing your lovely comment. It really warms my heart hearing that Neos is enriching your life in this way. Keep enjoying it and hope to see your creations at some point!😊
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yeah my personal project started small but now its too big i dont think it will ever be finished.
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I'm wondering if there's a dev blog or somewhere I can keep up with patch notes for neos
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If anyone could link me
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im hitting a point where i might just focus on the mechanics of the MMO game inside neos. maybe pack it into an egg like SAO and let others use it for there own games the engine is like Health bars stamina bars hunger bars attack damage defense yadda yadda you get it kinda like a DND character sheet but automated for use in games. and being able to use it in some sword fight game or swap over to a shooter game using the same engine it just sounds like fun.
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Thanks waz
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The heated points in the debate against NCR, taking away the whole drama away, seems to be that people would not want to be forced to use it, they want options and be able to use $.
This is pretty ironic because irl they are fine using FIAT which is enforced on them, and in the metaverse they refuse to accept another FIAT(a currency which bases its value on legislation, in case of NCR, code[law is code])
Irony apart, I agree with them, and anyone who understands the main why of crypto should too.
A true metaverse requires freedom.
Another point of those against NEOS getting in crypto is fear of regulation.
If governments start banning cryptos in general, or come with regulations, which is more likely, it could bring some further problems and instability as the team tries to change things in order to follow the regulation.
And if there's something they can't change then they'd have to shut it all down.
The way to go imo,
is a way to introduce NEOS which is not invasive, totally invisible to those who do not wish to use it, this way looking out for those against NCR, and this way would include ways to invest in the true value of NEOS and be tied to its growth, this way looking out for teams revenue, and investors that want to fund the team in exchange for a share in the success of NEOS.
The way I propose is for the team to make NCR a token to share the revenue NEOS generates, a sort of DAO, but that's just using a buzzword used to define a system where tokens have also voting power.
In cases of a DAO, it requires that everytime a proposal is passed, it is automatically executed and fulfilled by the code, in order to fit the definition.
We can't do that in this case so the votes and proposals would just end up being suggestions that the team is invited to take into consideration, but not forced in any way to fulfill, since its not real shares of a publicly listed company.
the team could also make their own AMM (an example of AMM is Uniswap)
which is used ingame to settle transactions. People in game can hold, spend, demand to be used as their payment whatever currency they choose.
The NEOS AMM would convert the currencies as a service, taking a fee from the spender and redistributing the fees to NCR stakers.
The selling of storage for NCR would also continue, but without removing patreon until you have a way for people to pay using fiat from your official website.
Then that is to be distributed to NCR stakers aswell, of course, you decide what % to dedicate to investors, and each staker gets a % relative to their staked amount.
Afterall, this is investing, this is the definition of it, funding a company with cash today, in exchange for a share of the profits, which with your contribution, you hope will increase and grow.
Everything else is just speculation, not investing.
When you buy NCR right now you are just speculating, not investing. - 19 August 2022 (53 messages)
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Take a look at Entropia Universe if you've never heard of it. Even Linden Dollars never required a cryptocurrency to support the creator economy.
NCR has failed because of its design, the fact that there is also a Patreon set up shows that the money made from the ATH wasn't reinvested into the platform, it just went on a lavish lifestyle.
When you list an inworld currency on an external exchange you lose control over the economics. That's why Axie and everything x-to-earn has failed and is unsustainable.
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How many concurrent users can Neos support at any one time? Interesting that with the distributed architecture there's unlimited potential vs claims from players like Improbably or RP1 with the traditional client-server set up that can host 2000-4000 people in a single shard.
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Problem is less on how many people can fit in a high end headless client and more of "at what point do people's frame rate become too unbearable." Even with p2p connections, networked tasks are not an issue.
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Yeah, I specified the "Fear of gov regulations or bans" as the 2nd point.
I guess I forgot to specify that other than the team, it can also affect the players.
And for those referencing Linden dollars, or other centralized virtual currencies, the governments usually regulates those too.
"Crypto" is just a technology which dictates how the currency behaves and moves from nodes.
But in my country , for example I would need to pay taxes on Linden Dollars too, and whatever virtual currency that is convertible into real world FIAT.
What falls under scrutiny and regulation is usually " virtual currencies", and it just happens that most of the time, virtual currencies use crypto technology.
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It looks like most of the comments on my points didnt read it fully, just skimmed through the buzzwords and assumed what I meant :L
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I criticized DAOs and I get messages criticizing DAOs , assumed I was praising them and saying that they are a good and possible idea.
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there are many "cryptos" that call themselves that and then there's nothing crypto about them, they work exactly like linden dollars, centralized systems.
Crypto and Virtual currencies have melted together these past years, because an outstanding majority of virtual currencies, are using crypto technology.
It would be like confusing FIAT currency with paper bills/banknotes, which look like banknotes backed by gold, which are NOT FIAT.
So, what falls under regulation and scrutiny is often Virtual Currencies, they could care less about the technology behind them, if there is some hamster on a wheel managing the transactions, if it's a blockchain, centralized server.
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Most people don't realise that a DAO is still plagued with very human problems despite trying to force a technology solution into it.
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anyone?
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what about updates are they resumed yet
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situation still depressing as ever then. Devs had a huge opportunity they missed scooping up VRCs market after the anticheat update
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sometimes better to bite the bullet and take advantage of opportunities especially when its a competitor showing weakness
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kinda brutalist I know. Thats just how you think when you grow up hungry I guess. Imma go eat cuz I can
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Its more a matter of keeping the ones we did get. Because there was a massive spike
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Uh... No? Linden dollar is only taxed on cash out, and based only on that. It does not matter how old your balance is or you purchased it at a specific rate.
You literally get tax forms from Tilia based on what they reported to the US government, and thus leave it up to you to handle things based on that.
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Yeah, in my country thats the same regulation that goes with crypto.
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again, "crypto" is just the infrastructure, the technology that some virtual currencies decide to use for ruling their transaction mechanism.
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But let's not get lost arguing in semantics, the point is that Virtual Currencies require government regulation, regardless of the technology used to operate transactions,supply etc.
So the main concern of the debate that I pointed out, the fear of NEOS team getting in trouble dealing with cryptos, or even singular NEOS players getting in trouble having held cryptocurrencies, is extended to every kind of virtual currency that can be purchased and then sold.
As they pose risks felt by the government like fiscal evasion, money laundering.
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I can hop on and try as well
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....okay?
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Found the issue: do you have 2FA enabled?
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ah hmm... yeah because I just did it for my alt and it worked fine
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O.o
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Ominous. XD
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'You weary giants of flesh and steel' and whatnot :3
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NCR works？
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anyway, I sent Jabberz a contact request as well, so I can attempt to send that way. I'm busy at work, so just poke me if they do add me and I can gift it shortly after notification (just have to waltz over to my Steamdeck for that)
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ncr is only deactivated on the steam client version of neos
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Do you have 2FA setup?
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Cause no NCR transfer without 2FA
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ohh, sorry for the duplicated answer >.<
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hmm... not sure what the Official Contact is for?
- 20 August 2022 (12 messages)
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Probably more crypto shills
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Any update @admin
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no new announcements
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at work, but testing how the SteamDeck works with Neos on mouse and keyboard
- 21 August 2022 (8 messages)
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Looking forward to hearing about this, I have a Deck on order but doesn't arrive until Dec 😭
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Works fine if you don't use the mouse for looking around
https://twitter.com/FlameSoulis/status/1561071882731937793LinkDoes it work with a SteamDeck? Yes, but the mouse is janky due to a bug with the SteamDeck itself. Works fine in menus, though. ~40FPS at 1080p. Not bad, considering the Deck is designed for 720p. Not tested with Proton: Neos has native Linux binaries. #NeosVR
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I'll have to check if the bug persists when using proton, but I'm not so confident
- 22 August 2022 (18 messages)
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Hey guys, any core member available to discuss regarding a strategic partnership, we are a metaverse HUB that aiming to bring all EARN/METAVERSE projects into a HUB.
Our metaverse Alpha Completed with Over 50 Projects Partnered with us 🤝 -
Hi Riz, any business queries should go to hello@neos.com. Many thanks😊
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What does it mean to exit and save homes??
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When you start neos, your client opens two worlds in the beginning. Both of them are your Home. The first one is the local home, the second one that you stay inside after logging into Neos is your cloud home. That question asks, if any changes should be saved to both of these homes
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Ohhh okay thank you!
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As far as i know, the local home does not save to cloud, that also is true for any content you only safe there. This can be advantagious or lead to data loss...
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This is correct
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I wish we explained the homes better somehow
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I know we want to redesign them
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local home used to be like you local inventory in the early beginnings, even before cloud
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There was no inventory in the start. To see what that's like start the scratch space world template the reason it existed was so you could go get the tools and stuff you needed
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In any case, it can be an advantage if you WANT to actually store things only locally, like big videos when you don't have enough storage, different versions or things you work on unoptimized (again, with limited cloud storage) or as a storage place for things you delete from inventory to save space. In any case its an important difference if the local home is actually used as a home and not just as preload-world (kept empty)
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The scratch space is also, how the devtip was introduced even, I guess
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local storage is not suited for larger assets like videos. Local assets cannot be streamed, they have to be downloaded always. At least Neos seems to prefer connections that are not focused to use for sending data
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if it wants to acquire a local asset, it looks through all connected worlds, whether they are hosted by the asset owner (machine id) or the asset owner is connected to. Then it chooses an unfocused world to send the request or as a fallback the focused world. I don't remember if the algorithm prefers connections with a single hop than two
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None - 23 August 2022 (5 messages)
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Long as it ain't crypto
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None - 24 August 2022 (7 messages)
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Seeing many joins, but the member numbers haven't really gone up as much.
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LinkIt's occurred to me that i've not shown much of my random NeosVR projects here, but here's a halo 3 covenant carbine I programmed! I still gotta polish it some more but here is the wip!
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Something neat I programmed. Well, it's from halo 3, but put into neos.
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Now I wish Telegram had an instant "gob-smacked"😮 emoji button. This is super impressive! I can't wait to see more of your work. Please share with us☺️
- 25 August 2022 (5 messages)
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looks lovely
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bots, they are very common in crypto themed groups, some will also dm members trying to scam
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None - 26 August 2022 (31 messages)
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Happy Friday, everyone!☺️
I am curious if some of you have been toying around with DALL·E 2 as a source of creative inspiration. I think for virtual content creators and especially avatar creators, this brings so many possibilities - I personally see it as an amazing way to concept faster and generate ideas and variations really fast... -
Here is my take on "half unicorn-half human hybrid with pink bunny ears is looking at starry sky".
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Oh I have not heard of that one, will have to check it out!☺️
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Oh I see, it seems like they did a public release a few days ago?
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That is a bit Giger-esque😃
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That is true, I think it doesn't really understand logic yet or context. We have to wait for AGI a few more years 😁
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"For my existence has been an unending stream of broken dreams and I have nothing left to live for but death itself."
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that is awesome! I'd try to take it even further...you could turn it into a portrait itself, made out of portraits😃
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Yes, sometimes too much of the information 😅
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We are forming a nice little collection of AI generated art here, I think it calls for a Neos exhibition soon! 😁
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvAKRWC82g&ab_channel=ThrillSeeker I just saw that video and it is quite extensive about neos, Karel and Tomas. İs the guy player in Neos who made the video?The TRAGIC Fall A VR Game With Unlimited PotentialHello. Today I have a full on documentary of probably the most tragic story within the entire VR industry. Developers shafted, a $500,000,000 market cap shriveled into nothing, and a community left torn. But there is still hope. Actually something interesting I came across, Neos had a Quest/ Quest 2 and Oculus go version in development as well. Interesting addition. Basically though, crypto tore Neos apart from the inside out, no matter how compelling the technology. Thank you to everyone that participated in my dozens of interviews. This is one of the largest "journalistic" videos I have ever done and it took a lot of work, but I hope you enjoyed it. Much Love, Thrill My links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/Thrilluwu Discord: https://discord.gg/2hCGM9BYez Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Neos discord: https://discord.gg/eNYu4xbhVF
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You mean Thrill's avatar? They usually have the anime avatar with horns and white/grey designed outfit
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I know well enough that any local:/// assets are not streamed and always downloaded
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Local assets always need to be downloaded before viewing. Additionally the local asset has to be uploaded (sent) to each of the people in the session from the user who has said local asset. At the very least, to the host.
More Ideally a video would be saved to the Neos cloud inventory so that all users can download it faster and the user sharing the video only needs to upload the video once. Also assumes they go to their home world or another session with no one else when spawning the video in from local assets/their pc to then save it to their cloud inventory. -
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PV?
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Photovoltaics?
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VJ ganggang
- 27 August 2022 (4 messages)
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Still punching away at a new world.
https://twitter.com/FlameSoulis/status/1563415076324794368LinkMaking steady progress tweaking and optimizing. #NeosVR
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None - 28 August 2022 (2 messages)
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Hey
- 29 August 2022 (15 messages)
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Are y’all actual people.
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The numb skulls asking for "PV", no
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Most in-world discussions occur in the Discord. Sometimes you do get talks in here, but it is infrequent.
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Oh joy
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Another crypto shill
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There is a public link at the very bottom of the Neos website
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Neos Metaverse
Neos is a virtual reality metaverse that reinvents and generalizes the way social experiences and various virtual creations are built, to let them all coexist in one shared space.
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Specifically: https://discord.gg/tndXw9JgJoin the NeosVR Discord Server!
Official Discord server for the Neos VR metaverse engine - a place for everyone to socialize, create and learn! | 24,535 members
- 30 August 2022 (5 messages)
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What 😂
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no were androids from Cyber life
- 31 August 2022 (18 messages)
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Hi everyone,
I found this neat little software which might come handy for those of you who like anime-like avatars and want a degree of control over how they look, without necessarily having to do it all from scratch.
It's quite customizable, and it's free. https://vroid.com/en/studio
The only real hurdle has been importing .vrm to Neos. Does anyone have good workflow suggestion on how to best import these type of files?
My workflow so far has been pushing them through Blender to .fbx using a python script. But somehow it's not linking the skin and hair correctly in Neos.VRoid Studio3D Modeling, for Everyone! VRoid Studio is an application to create 3D models of humanoid avatars (characters).Create original characters on this intuitive and highly Adaptable Software. Easy to use for everyone!
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She's my work in progress. Totally need an avatar with glowing white hair in my life 😁
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https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin typically can help. Can't really assist troubleshooting without seeing then specific model in neos, but I am guessing that 'not linking the skin and hair correctly' means that those models have separate armatures. That can be resolved by using this feature of the plugin: https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin#merge-armatures
I also recommend exporting as glb. Vrm is actually an extension of glb.GitHub - absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin: :smiley_cat: A tool designed to shorten steps needed to import and optimize models into VRChat. Compatible models are: MMD, XNALara, Mixamo, DAZ/Poser, Blender Rigify, Sims 2, Motion Builder, 3DS Max and potentially more:smiley_cat: A tool designed to shorten steps needed to import and optimize models into VRChat. Compatible models are: MMD, XNALara, Mixamo, DAZ/Poser, Blender Rigify, Sims 2, Motion Builder, 3DS M...
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Amazing I’ll check it out. Many thanks 🙏
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There was a github request for VRM native support, but it was dismissed until licensing features were fully completed.
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vrm is just a glb with avatar extensions. Neos could be extended to vrm import to import fully functional avatars skipping the Avatar creator. So a vrm could be dragged into Neos in the future
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that's what I had also mentioned but... one sec
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VRM avatar import · Issue #863 · Neos-Metaverse/NeosPublic
NeosVR doesn't seem to be able to import https://vrm.dev/en/ I tried to convert VRM to an importable format via their Unity importer/exporter (outputs GLB, importing it crashed NeosVR multi...
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"As previously discussed on Discord, one of the parts of VRM is licensing information on how the avatar can be used and distributed. Currently that information would be lost during import, which can be problematic, so I don't plan on integrating it until then."
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Ahh, however one could check on import the licensing information, if it is compatible to use in Neos as public avatars and then import it, cause exporting isn't really possible anyway
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Yes you can import a vrm most of the time by just renaming it to gFTL and then it should work most of the time
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....huh....
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