not realy i have it and i have an account

hmm oke its to complex at that point

if you really want NCR, you'll have to learn how to use a DEX (decentralized exchange), namely Uniswap. However, it's complicated. I wouldn't go headfirst into it without knowing anything. You could mess something up and lose funds. SERIOUSLY

i think i sould get some with my patreon but at the moment i have none and the patreon paymand alrady went trou

you'll get it rewarded to your account in Neos. If you're playing on Steam you won't see the balance, but if you download the standalone, you'll see it

right?

nope just downloadet the standalone

https://prnt.sc/_bmkAylO82Sh

when did you sub on patreon?

last month

i dont have one im my dash i can try puting it in wait a sec

oke that works my mistake

okay but that all seems really complicated just to give people a small tip wouldn't it have been much easier to do it with normal money?

depending on what country they live in.

why dose that matter?

isent crypto not band in some countries?

how would you give normal money to, say, a Japanese player?

i akst for paypal or patreons?

most don't use paypal

people or countries?

in this example, most japanese

Some do I imagine

and honestly it's not nearly as graceful to ask someone their paypal address than to just surprise them with a kind tip.

yes

so it's less complicated to tell someone to sign up for Kofi so you can give them a tip through a middleman service

is the eth merge still scheduled for Sept?

YES

I think crypto is a lot less common than something like kofi, patreon, or buymeacoffee among creative people,

fees are much more cheaper than before

just tip them however you want then

but it's worth noting it may seem most creatives use these services when really they're not as prolific as we think and not nearly at all outside english speakers

so it seems to me

So I understand that correctly?, to buy NCR I first have to buy ETH and then buy ETH with ETH NCR and there are fees for the transactions if I want to tip someone $10 now, and this person then wants the NCR back in $ the person must do it again NCR to ETH and ETH to $? how high would the fees be and what is left for him?

if you have NCR on your account, you can use it

you implying you need to go buy ncr on the market everytime you want to tip someone? dont do that.

yes i know this but if i only use the NCR i get frome patreon i takes up to 10 mont to geht 10$

crypto is kind of new, so it's abit awkward and unweildy. Thankfully you don't have to use it at all if you don't want to

but ingame, from person to person, there are no fees, and it doesn't transact on-chain

only when taking NCR out of the game, or into the game from an outside source

I think whilst some people say that they don’t care about it, having and utilising in-game currency, such as NCR has a huge potencial in terms of creative freedom. It’s very democratic in its nature. Anyone can exchange some ETH and keep NCR in their wallet, providing they have the necessary know-how. In anonymity that is impossible in platform like PayPal (someone mentioned earlier, nothing against it, I still use it from time to time).
But metaverse is all about global outreach and international communities- there are people in countries that might not want to share all their private information. Countries that are opressive. Or less developed but no less excited about the potential of metaverse.
I think sometimes people forget that world isn’t just US or UK/EU. That is one case for it. But of course, everyone has their own reason for engaging or not engaging with NCR and that is totally fine:)

i still don't get it but oke i don't need to unterstand everything

though maybe what I gather is that many seem to want the main website to be reordered some

Yes, that would be really good, currently it seems to me that you have to use crypto and that it is one of the most important things in the game. when I look at the website

i love neos vr because of the freedom in the game and in the last few weeks when i made many of my vrc friends aware of neos, some were confused by the crypto stuff on the website and didn't want to play because of it

There is a lot of bad press and controversies around crypto out there. Mainly because of many scammy projects. I feel that even "metaverse" is just a buzzword now and sadly some people see Neos as "another of these". But when they hear what is possible or try it, they absolutelly love it and they are excited. And about the website, yes, we would love to put some in-game footage or the Neos trailer on the web, unfortunatelly we cannot at this point since the situation is what it is and people are reluctant to give their permissions...What a unique metaverse we are 😁. Onwards and upwards however, just enjoy Neos, it's an awesome platform with lovely community and we are happy for any new users. 🙏😊

some will some not

people have right of choice

every coin has two sides

why you guy only focus on "negative" one?

crypto exist more than 10 years

I've heard people attacking Neos for using the word "Metaverse" when it had been using the word for like 7 years already, long before any buzz around it

it was not born yesterday,man

stay open mind and embrace the new thing you will fell better

also worth noting that just because someone is complaining about something on twitter (like the use of the word metaverse) doesn't mean they're neo's audience or that they were ever going to play the game

for many complaining about petty shit is kinda just a pasttime

you don't get anywhere trying to make them all happy

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While crypto's reputation is greatly damaged by scams, I personally take issue with the inability to easily cash out. As a creator, NCR is worthless to me if I can't take out without ridiculous gas fees. If we ever have something as simple as paypal support, I'll be all over that.

It was about a year ago, but I did have a friend who was really into doing this for clothing and the like on other platforms. However, they left Neos a few months ago.

that's weird, withdrawing NCR from in-game has no fees iirc

NCR -> ETH -> fiat offramp

yep, currently at least

This exactly. And it's like, why do I bother, If i can link someone up with a paypal

or you could go NCR -> USDC and just keep it in that stable form

Then just use paypal. it seems the argument trying to be made is "crypto isn't perfect yet, so it shouldn't exist"

No one is saying it shouldn't exist.

its a pretty obvious issue, that the big layer1's aren't suitable for micropayments on their own

maybe we should wait till if/when POS comes out and assess the situaiton

because like it or not, NCR kind of grows alongside ETH in certain ways, and if it becomes apparently it won't suit our needs, maybe it should be snapshot and moved to a different chain?

Nobody needs it to be perfect. They need it to be decent which it is far from.

Pretty decent for me. I use it atleast once a week and it's been less of a headache than going through other processors to transact with people in other countries

So you're using NCR each week to do things like commissions?

crypto.

Okay well we're talking about NCR right?

I assumed you were responding to my quote

yeah there's many ways ncr can be improved

That is such an understatement but sure

I say we should focus on other things first, but what would you like to be improved on ncr?

the fees?

Basically everything said here

Fees

we have to wait for ETH's updates to hopefully address them

I don't know if there will be another postponement

That's kinda the infinite loop NCR is in rn, waiting for it to get better each time one of its problems is brought up.

Honestly that's how the entirety of blockchain technology feels. Any problems it has are excused by "well it'll get better" and we keep waiting for it to get better.

like, it has been getting better. I've been involved since 2013 and it's a seen dozens of concepts go from theory to practice... these things take time, just like non-crypto things do

and I don't want us to pretend like NCR is harming you by not being perfect yet

NCR does, unfortunately, take on all of the flaws of the blockchain it's based on.

We literally just had someone today talk about how they had a really bad first impression because of ncr

I think we kind of miss the point there like, just because something exists doesnt mean we're forced to use it. it's OK for us to let it be its thing and develope alongside the rest of the game

so that's either an issue with what the website is communicating or an issue with perception

doesn't seem related to NCR... because as we just discussed it's not influencing him at all

well I'm in favor of that, reordering the website based off what everyone's saying, and in addition just waiting to see what the ETH update looks like

if it arrives on time

I think NCR should just be shelved for now until a proper marketplace can be set up for it in Neos with as seamless an experience as possible.

And by seamless I mean the average person can purchase NCR, trade it, and cash out all within the application.

Thoug there is also the problem of Steam refusing to allow NCR on the Steam build

Fur has started a campaign to "ban crypto"

I think this is exactly why NCR is unlikely to actually take off as a seamless transaction experience or one that people want to interact with at all. Compare this to using Paypal, which most people already have set up and that really just requires you to give someone your email/link, they send the money, you accept, done.

It is quite a lengthy process to buy NCR, and well, crypto is not really anonymous anymore because of coin exchanges and tracking techniques.

Yep one of the primary purposes it served, and served really well, was anonymous transactions.

I don't think it's a bad idea for neos to have its own currency, it worked well for SL, just not sure about blockchain

What do you mean?

I never played SL but from what I understand, SL currency worked better because they already had a platform and purpose for it as well as obtaining the currency was totally encapsulated inside the platform.

As I was about to mention, more or less. I can buy L$ by just... buying it with PayPal (or in the past, direct credit card). To sell, I just... sell it, and then request a transfer of funds to... PayPal. Sure the fees have changed, but the exchange system hasn't. The cost to cash out is only taxed on the withdrawing amount, not a "You require x L$ in order to withdraw x USD."

Oh, and Tilia's concierge support team is top tier. Never had any issues with them and they always helped out big time with any questions I had.

I think the best way to put it is: Why does NCR need to be on the blockchain?

What benefits does it realistically provide that is worth all these hurdles?

Gonna preface this by saying that I don't actually understand much in crypto when it comes to withdrawing into actual money, but hasn't there been an increase in platforms that specifically handle payments and exchanges, which kinda has defeated the purpose of crypto?

Like, the tools that make it so your average person can even attempt to use crypto as a day-to-day currency inherently act as an exchange handler akin to PayPal

I guess if every platform were using crypto and people would actively want to exchange NCR to gain tokens in another game that would be a really good thing but honestly, what would someone who's trying to make a living off making things in Neos want to do with that besides exchange it for money directly? And at that point, aren't most people just going to use PayPal, Gumroad, etc?

idk i'm just struggling to understand who wants crypto instead of cash when it comes to trying to make money making things

Most people don't have Paypal set up, lol... Paypal is not well used across many countries at all, and it's relatively obscure in Japan (of which there are many Neos players)

It honestly feels like it's a very, like, hopeful thinking kinda thing, know what I mean? Like I really would like to see this decentralized currency that's free from prudish banks and payment companies that refuse to interact with certain transactions. But realistically with so many hurdles on the consumer end (not even getting into crypto manipulation, ecological impact, social perception, etc.) it seems like it is just wishful thinking.

you serious? furries don't have a paypal set up? do you know Neos' audience?

As far as I can see, I end up having to use exchange handlers because in Canada, I must go through these processes in order to legally buy any crypto

I'm talking globally. The more people say "just use paypal" the more I realize most of the people here have never had to send money to people in certain countries it seems. Or dealt with currency exchange fees and all of that muck.

I hear even doctors appointments expect you to have physical cash

I mean I feel much of this discussion is really just trying to argue away NCR's right to exist, when I feel that there's really no reason to not just let it be its thing.

I'm talking in Neos which has a huge furry userbase, and PayPal is EXTREMELY common in the furry fandom. The furry fandom has found a pretty decent solution for people paying artists and while it is flawed, it's gonna take a lot to convince people to hop on crypto.

I also think there's misunderstandings about how much overhead and development will need to go into copying second life's system, and also the trust that goes into maintaining that in perpetuity, and whatever hidden obligations go into that, along with customer service.

It's asking alot for a small team

I just think Neos doesn't really need to do an in-game currency system at all right now. I think for the time being it's fine for users to just use outside systems until the team is actually ready to take on an in-game economy.

and one benefit for crypto is that it can exist and function longer than the company that made it even

Well, it exists. It's here. It's not really hurting anyone either by just existing, is it? And as an NCR holder, I'm quite happy to buy it and hold it, because I get to give it to people I like ingame, but also it's fun being able to hold it and be excited thinking what it could possibly be used for in the future. That experience is important too and shouldn't be just written off

Same thing in South Korea. It's a whole different take on everything, honestly, and it's kind of refreshing.

We've been over this, just existing has put off many people from starting to play Neos because crypto as a whole has terrible public image.

Besides that, sure, NCR is harmless if we don't really consider the drama surrounding it. But public image is really important to introducing people to a game.

yeah I imagine most commissions and work will be sold through things like paypal, but I think it's also not bad to think about what foreground is important to lay in a metaverse, which IMO should have borderless currencies by principle

Many friends of mine refused to even consider Neos until VRC crapped itself and it was specifically because of Neos' involvement in crypto and NFTs

the public image of crypto will change imo. People will stop caring about something that's really not a big deal

People have been saying that for about 2 years now and people still hate any company the moment they announce NFTs or crypto

well tehre are no Neos NFTs. They need to edit the patreon so it doesn't reference that

It doesn't.

Some Patreon tiers have an NFT included with them planned for the future "when it's environmentally friendly"

Certain patreon tiers promise a special NFT "artifact" or whatever at some point in the future

I think they should remove references to the NFTs on patreon, and someday of course deliver on that promise to those patrons.

yeah, I think it's time to clean it up

Public image is so important and the crypto association has definitely done some damage. Heck, even being associate with the "metaverse" terminology tends to put people off.

because of that, imo, I think the issue is more the public being reactionary than the actual underlying approaches Neos is taking

but either way it should be considered

Like I agree with reorganizing the website to be less about NCR

Neos isn't a crypto game. That's what people need to understand, really

Neos got really unlucky. Pretty much all the bad things it's tied to (besides the NFTs maybe), they launched did way before the public started to really dislike them. NCR launched when crypto wasn't nearly as problematic and until Facebook started trying to dominate the Metaverse terminology nobody really cared.

Yes there's a currency in the background that's optional, but that's all for now

Yeah Neos was using the word Metaverse like... 7 years ago or something

Oh yeah I agree, the problem is that with the environment crypto is in right now, most games that have crypto involved *are* crypto games. So to someone just window shopping for games to play, seeing Neos involved with crypto is gonna make that connection for them.

Ooh, I get you now. That does open it up to how they must rely on outside tech and organizations to continue to run for their system to run

yeah, and I don't think you get anywhere trying to be beholden to people who really just want something to complain about. If someone thinks the word Metaverse is controversial, imo they're not the kind of people Neos is meant to speak to right now

or I don't know, maybe they are

Metaverse is controversial to nearly everyone right now, that's how bad the connection to it is.

atleast in the English speaking world

I see Japanese VR enthusiasts using it alot

Dead by Daylight had a DLC for the Pinhead character and the license holders of Pinhead were doing an NFT, completely uninvolved with Dead by Daylight, and that DLC got absolutely bombshelled with bad reviews on Steam about crypto. Crypto association can be suuuuuper damning right now.

honestly i don't get why NFT in-game items need to be on blockchain, just do it the Steam inventory way. I genuinely don't understand in what context I would want to transfer an item from one game to a completely different one, god only knows how bad it would be to actually support that kinda feature.

I think the Steam inventory approach has worked great for years and it's really weird seeing companies trying to reinvent the wheel. Still gives the able to exchange assets between users among different games without all the dumb blockchain stuff.

Eyup and that problem has crept into crypto as a whole.

Crypto is not currently about exchanging currency for goods and services, it's about investment and speculation.

Ash you're a saint, I have long since lost the stamina to do these kinds of conversations

Yeah Ash is doin' a great job of fleshing out the purpose of crypto n stuff

I don't like being a "crypto bad" person but honestly crypto kinda sucks in the current context lol

Though the tech is cool and I do want to see it improve and take on more adoption

yeah, and alot of us don't want to be defending it either

I just think step one is revise the website and patreon description

then see what can next be done

and soon hopefully

Oh yeah totally

Presentation is so important

Though in this case the blockchain is just acting as a glorified (and inefficient) cloud backup solution. We could verify proof of purchase using existing cryptography technologies. Cryptographic signatures are easy to verify (and don't require a public history of every purchase associated with a wallet).

I don't know if it can be done but before this weekend would have been pretty nice..

I feel like centralization isn't as bad as people think depending on how its handled

Just like decentralization isn't as bad as people think, depending on how it's handled

ipfs is still good and valid IMO. And PKI has existing consepts for distributed keyservers.

Hasn't a huge controversy surrounding blockchain as a whole been all the market manipulations though?

Like, has manipulation not been occurring on platforms utilizing blockchain technology?

on the exchanges.. things that happen on traditional markets too, it's just alittle less up-front

like a crypto exchange may run a trading desk that trades against its clients

I think while a centralized system can be manipulated by the one entity controlling it, there's a level of accountability and repercussion that makes it a bit safer.

If someone scams you on blockchain, lul good job getting anything back

but robinhood does the same, just they compartmentalize it differently, and they still do the same stuff of selling the exchange data, and infact auction it off

I guess its valid criticism tho, with blockchain security is a personal responsibility for the most part, but then again there's also less need for trust

I also think an issue surrounding blockchain is that as more solutions are created to solve problems inherent to blockchain/crypto, the more it defeats the initial purpose of using it.

I think a big thing is gonna be refunds, how are you gonna tackle the issue of refunds/accidental transactions without more centralization or manipulation?

And as more platforms are started to lower the barrier to entry for crypto exchange, that just makes it more centralized

Oh that's pretty cool

thats kind of where my imagination is in it too, because I think autonomous structures like that are sort of vital for a real "metaverse" to actually be a serious thing

and not just some corporate IP playground

I like the ability to do verifiable random functions

like an item drop being able to be verified with certainty that the result was random and not some tampering by the game operator

or the event that takes place to be verified as random

its things like that that are important foreground to things actually "mattering" imo

Maybe internally. It would make no sense in this context to run these on a public blockchain. But as a solution for an eventual consistency database, maybe, if you aren't pressed for transaction performance (which most MMOs are).

yeah, especially now when studios are using algorithms based off your behavior to tailor results

I have no idea why you wouldn't just use traditional sharding for something like this tbh. It's not like the blockchain really offers anything an acid compliant dbe doesn't.

I can tell you've spent a lot of time thinking about these systems

Something I wonder about with this multi-server and metaverse application stuff is... How would you encourage developers, artists, and makers in general to make their products compatible with multiple metaverses? That's like, beyond something like an avatar, or 3D model with assets like animations and textures. I'm talking about stuff like scripting, like weapons, gadgets, tools, etc etc etc

So it would be locked into one technology

A standard object representation would be a prerequisite.

like x3d

That's a lot less complicated than full physics sims with programming and separate APIs

I see standardizing an object representation and runtime as an interesting challenge. I think it's definitely possible.

I don't really care about the benefits of a blockchain based model (i see none), I do care about developing an open platform.

Thank you for the input =)

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Very interesting topic you touched there.
Apologies this will be a longer rant:)

I think the main problem with any metaverse concept is that it's inherently limited to one platform or software. You have some assets, and you're restricted to using them within that one space.
A full-fledged metaverse has to be interoperable. It needs to be modeled more like real life, because that is true freedom.
If you have an avatar that you've spent hours and hours on building, it's an important part of your identity, and you want to be able to take it to another platform.

Say I buy a car and drive around my hometown with it for the rest of my life. But that isn't very exciting—I want to take my car anywhere. Or sell it. Or swap it for a bike.
In Neos it's already extremely easy to import assets and while we are tiny now, imagine if people started using Neos as their primary hub for digital content.
It's where NFTs come in ( I hear you taking a knife out😁). Personally, I could not give a damn about stupid pictures of monkeys with a fag but there are actually very useful NFT use cases in terms of asset ownership, gaming, music production...even real estate (I am not talking about virtual real estate here).

But back to the metaverse, it will be exciting for creators. Because right now if you are an artist or musician it's extremely hard for you to make money. You are a slave to the record label or streaming service. In fact, do we have any musicians/artists in here? Share your experience please.

Or perhaps you live somewhere like India or the Philippines where it's extremely hard to exhibit and sell your art because there are simply not enough institutions or support. Metaverse is going to be a groundbreaking deal because you suddenly unlock this huge global audience for yourself and you can sell your art/asset directly to someone who will have genuine pleasure from buying it. That is what this is about in my opinion. Supporting what you love and believe in.🌼 Not buying some silly JPEGs or coins because someone told you it's gonna get big. It might and it might not.

I am not making a case for any of the above as this is purely my personal view, just to be clear.

I am just saying that Neos with NCR (and NFT) support _can_ unleash possibilities that we cannot fully foresee yet. And it's completely okay if people are not sure or ready, but things are not bad just because we don't understand them.

It will take time and it will be just like anything new before - there is a lot of fish in the sea now, but only some or going to swim. 🙂

And following my rant, please everyone welcome @NonnyFreedom to our group as our new moderation help. Nonny is a new member of Neos team and community so please be kind and helpful. I don't want to see any abusive messages or attempts to throw dirt (in the chat or via DMs). Just play nicely😉I am confident that if we keep it positive, we can make this chat a much nicer place.
Thank you very much in advance😊

And lastly, have a wonderful weekend everyone 🌞🚀

Hello everyone, to be honest I'm quite new to this kind of community. I'm looking forward cooperate with everyone.

I've heard NFTs suggested as a supplement to the title/deed system. I actually think that is not a bad use of them. Publicly validated chains of custody, especially with the current challenges of validating title/deed, would be a huge improvement.

I have a harder time accepting that premise with asset licensing. I don't see the same concepts as mapping to the nature of digital spaces. At least in terms of NFTs as an analogue to ownership. Enforcement is still a matter of law or drm systems, and copies remain identical. Cryptocurrencies really do have potential to do as you outlined. Cutting through geographic and culture divides and somewhat meaningfully resisting hegemonic influences of payment processors (My go to example is instances of PayPal policing the content of commissions made through their platform). That is one of the aspects of NCR I am somewhat hopeful about.

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I don't think it's been thought out.. I think maybe at a date they should give an object based on how long someone has been a patron at those tiers. I still think they should clean up the patreon and maybe just not mention it for awhile. I think it's just ammo for twitter assholes to slander the platform with, I dun think it actually attracts new patrons.

There is currently also a disconnect between the two "groups" that actually have control of patreon and the ones that don't . At the moment its pretty much something that karel need to do as far as i understand it.

Hello Nonny ^^, nice to meet you. Out of curiosity what sort of community backgrounds are you used to dealing with?

Well, I used to manage some campus page and group chat however this is my first time for this kind of group. It's very interesting for me

Welcome Nonny! Have you had a chance yo check out Neos yet and meet the rest if the team?

Oh cool! Educational institution?

Kinda half-half not too formal

I did download the program, really interested to run it but I got some problems with the oculus so hope I can login soon

Oh shoot :< That sucks, I hope it's something simple.

Your mind is going to be blown. The community in Neos has made some truly incredible stuff.

If you run into Geenz, make sure to ask him to show you his cool vore system.

That's why I am here🤣🤣

I did go through some of the video, it was awesome

Hope I could see it soon

yeah we all know.

I apologize. I did not mean to imply he made the system. I must have been misinformed. Which team member was the one who had the system on their avatar?

Why are you assuming a negative connotation?

But NSFW culture, as you just said yourself, is very prevalent here. Especially in neos. Give him an honest preview of neos culture. Don't sugger coat it. Give him a full tour.

People will always use systems to express themselves. This will include nsfw works. What people do in privacy by themselves isn't a negative to sugar coat. Neos isn't interested in censoring people, especially in private servers.

There's nothing wrong with consenting adults using a system the way that they choose.

Yep

Stuff like that is just a roundabout way of saying "There's DEVIANTS on that platform!"

@NonnyFreedom what are your pronouns by the way!

https://imgur.com/a/khEMNqE

@NonnyFreedom

Hmmm

Carefull, pikey was banned here before and snippets of chats are not resembling the full picture.

Guess I'm having some fans now ha😁

https://imgur.com/j5JHjFP

Like how I call myself? My gender?

https://imgur.com/eY6Vf8O

Haha don't worry I'll just stick here on telegram

It is not deviant behavior if the behavior is normal inside the community. Yall are the ones projecting negative connotations to NSFW activities. I also beleive people should be free to do what they want in in their private servers.

Where is the toxic place?
We can only listen from the discord, yes. Great

I wonder, may we point to those Russian moderation bots that serve no purpose again? They arent needed anymore and weren't from the beginning too due to posting rules were setted after bringing them in here.
"NoPigRobot" and "NoSticker" bots.

They are even listed as admins..

Yep

I'm straight male

And yes I do support guender equality

Different tastes too

Calling me Non is alright pronounced just like "none"

Alrighty!

Yes I see your point and thank you very much for pointing it out.

But as so you know I wasn't in the group of client developer of any of a discussion board I can't really do anything about those

I only hired here to be looking out for bot, toxicity, harrashment kinda stuff

But I do wanted to blend in and enjoy playing neos together

Be part of a community

Not a chat Karen

I enjoy internet memes 🤣

May I ask, from which country do you hail?

Hail on what topics

Sure I will as soon as I could after I fixed the oculus

I was wondering

Yea hahaha

That's fancy I love it @EuclidPrime

Thailand btw

discord complains about telegram being unmoderated.... karel hires mod... they complain anyway

typical

Hello from Canada

Hello

Oh, and yes! A hail is a kind of 'hello,' it's a specific type of greeting used in radio where someone will identify themselves with their name and radio ID, essentially 'hailing' another to ask for a response in kind.

Interesting

CQ CQ CQ :3

Are you a HAM?

It's getting late here in my country. I must get some sleep now, glad that I'm getting welcome here. have a nice day every one

Take care

Thx, you too

Yep! Part of the Neos amateur radio club too, N1ARA.

My partner got their license a year and some back, it's been making me want to do the same.

It's a fun hobby, definitely. We did field day in Neos this year, got radios controllable in game and everything :D We intend to do more events like that if you'd ever like to give it a whirl under the club call sign.

That's really cool o.o

huh, well that was refreshing to read. Nice to see the atmosphere being more uplifting

too late =P

okay then...

fud

I use NCR to give storage to friends and new users. It's been useful to me so far

(Nearly got some bHaptic gear as well last summer after the event)

I just use in-game, which is offchain, but whatever.

rule say fud is ban

I am somehow reminded of a few verses I really like from Aesop Rock's Pizza Alley:
Pay no mind to the bygones
Find [them] a strange hill to die on
Never let me die on a regular hill(x6)

Hey, got to save space somewhere :)

those were weird typing tests, the fables ones

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I'm new to the group

why was NCR delisted ?

Delisted from where? Uniswap?

From Bitrue

You can see it on the site but you can buy, sell or trade

not sure. Not familiar with that exchange

But honestly, I'm using that as a token of complicated respect. If I die on a hill, I just hope it's a strange one. You are sticking to your guns, which I still don't entirely understand, but it's clearly a principle of some sort.

huh....

These are the only Exchanges that Coinmarketcap has listed
Bitrue
BKEK
Bigone
Uniswap

Question , So is the NCR coin project dead and not returning ?

Do I need to prepare to just write it off on my taxes as a lost

did they make any announcements about it ?

go here: https://discord.com/channels/402159838827905024/996964315145961542

surprised the (at)everyone isn't being used, but I guess that's a Discord only thing. c'est la vie

Karel and Andrea have communicated clear intent to move forward with NCR. The announcements channel in the project's discord has more relivant information for your analysis. I will decline from giving you any specific financial advice, but I will encourage you to read the announcements regarding NCR to better inform your position.

ok Thanks, you been a big help

buy doge

What about Buy XRP

😂

is it dorky to use a pocket watch in 2022

Pocket watches are cool D: you can get neat watch calibers for cheap because of... their... lack of popularity >.> So yeah, probably.

lmfao

they're so much less annoying to deal with than wristwatches 😔 but i also dont need +1 object in my pockets

But (pants cut dependant) you could put it in the vestigial pocket that was made for it and get that rare teleological satisfaction.

i have the fashion sense of an overripe banana

catch me with the watch stuffed on the side of my boxers ngl

#techbrofashion

Honestly I have stuffed my keys down my pants more times than I am strictly comfortable admitting trying to use that little pocket for my key fob so I feel that.

I should try to get a pocketwatch assembly/disassembly item working in Neos.

i suppose making a little pocket watch item and combining it with the backpack system could be a cute little combo

We do have a low poly pocketwatch in Ransford's lookout. CC BY-NC if you want to yoink it.

Let's call this "axe down"

Does my catchphrase lame? 🤔

Eh, it's fine.

Haha ok

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This is such an odd group

Sorry, Marten

hopefully it'll be more calm now

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Hey fokes
Nice project over here

Am new here

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I'm trying to recover my password but I never receive the email to reset it. what should I do?

Try verifying it

it's already been verified

Wow

I feel you should leave the account

thanks spongebob but no thanks

We don't do that in this group

do what? be helpful to others and show them useful resources?

Uhhh

Seriously

Kaxon, do you have access to the Discord?

yea

Have you asked there, yet?

trying that now

I hope they help you! No one here has access to the inner workings, so that's the best I can direct you to

Who can I give my shilling proposal

thanks vulpes ❤️

Who can I give my shilling proposal

I'm sure you had good intentions but they were lost due to you typing with one hand

What do you mean ?

incomplete thoughts

I need a job

Uhh, the telegram isn't a good place to ask for a job. If you're interested in working with a company, you should contact their HR and recruitment via Email, or look on their website to see if they have any roles they want fulfilled so you know where to send a resume.

If you can't find any of those things, the company probably isn't hiring.

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Good evening, Nisro!

Welcome

How are you

With mod now finally can ban all negative

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...oh boy

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hihi ppl

Hiya!!!

Hey hey people, Sseth here

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All negative on all side, negative only breed disease and sadness

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hey

Sorry, had no idea clicking on it will ping again.

Business inquiries are usually handled by email at hello@neos.com

Spam bots =O

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Hello admin
I am tracy, Overseas Listing Director of Bitmart exchange.
We want to seek the possibility of neos listing on bitmart exchange.
Can I get right person to talk ?

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Business inquiries go to hello@neos.com.

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hi there

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Hello guys

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hi

If anyone here is looking for ways to build within Neos, my team and I can help :) https://twitter.com/sirkitree/status/1557046220693991426

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There are a few other telegrams group but this is the Official telegram group.

You can also check the main discord

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Hopefully the wiki and login sites can be fixed soon. Both of the security certificates expired

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website hacked????

Looks like the certificate expired. @malooniac Y'all aware of this? The wiki and the account management page look to be affected and need to be renewed.

fud

Cert expired, but technically, everything is still accessible

Yeah, it's just not a warning you want in front of new users.

Do not ignore certificate warnings, if in doubt don't access the site and wait and try again later or another day, when it works again

Sadly, Neos client itself doesn't do cert pinning

likely referring to this. which would be incorrect

No fud. Was question

Unfortunately we had some large ddos attacks lately. One of our hosts limited services (no external DNS routing anymore, we are using Cloudflare DNS) to protect other customers. That invalidated some of our SSL certificates. We’ll have new ones soon. This has no effect on the main website nor Neos itself.

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Issues with goerli merge

Not the best news

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Is that the final test? I see the market is all up, I am curious if that climbs back to 2k. That would be better news right?😁

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We need a big impulse to shift the momentum asap otherwise we could be left behind in this bull run

I do agree with you. But the top 1 priority is to work on a resolution, which I am sure is happening behind the scenes as Karel and @malooniac are working on it. It would be a shame just to aim for an exit pump.

Tbh even if I won't mind this kind of pump (to recover my losses), I am confident that a steady and sustainable grow is the way to go.

We need the development to resume and more usecase for NCR

how are the existing ones striking, if they aren't employed?

it's more like the majority of neos-team volunteers don't want to work for Karel

Also Karel would have to start all over, because no access to IP

which seems to be blocked currently, because, what I guess, the owner of the IP needs to be legally determined and then also physically been transferred

Development seems to be still being continued, just not released for the moment

I also wonder, why don't those just move on, who don't want to work for the company

sorry, but that's something being called a "Kindergarten" in Germany

Its far more then just that...

A new website better than the old one would be good. One that has a focus on the current community and what could be done in Neos

Our current website is way too pro-crypto, as in it looks like a crypto-metaverse template (because it is)

like having a showcase of projects that are currently live in Neos

Well, the crypto can stay and has its place there. However focus should be more on the product, than just the coin

Just a logical conclusion as that's what supports the currency, that should also be prominent

Ye thats fine. Just saying that right now it has little project focus. Neos's strength is that IT EXISTS

If only it was that simple. It is to be expected that the "new devs" will face reluctance from the community and OG

And the issue of the Coin being so very dominant presented on the site is also that it looks quite bad for people, due to looking close to other sites that are just there for it or even scam sites.
Maybe its better to put more categories with tabs/sections to the site. And flesh out the community section as well as a section about neos itself, how it roughly works for example with its peer 2 peer setup with asset servers in addition.

Yeah, introduction to Neos, what it is, what it isn't. Showcase worlds, showcase the creators view. Have a tab for NCR as well. Show all the social links together incl. Discord, Telegram, Twitter and so on

Maybe also have a tab for the volunteers called Mentors and how they are there to help newcomers

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I'd personally not trust a new team to continue forward with the same vision and community focus unless they came from the community. The biggest positive point for me has always been Neos' resistance to the same forces that have pushed competitors to cave to pressures of sanitization for commercialization against (IMO) their community interests. I strongly believe that comes from how embedded the decision makers have been with the stake holders.

The stakes is also in the community and creators. If they leave the platform... well, whatever

https://twitter.com/zssbecker/status/1557672997938405376?s=21&t=CG1tZqb3J6--x7yzANRm4Q

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kiwifarms?

Great Kiwifarms.
Let's move forward, I fully support kiwifarms.

A forum of people who stalk and harass. They were one of the entities that contributed to the suicide of BSnes and MSU-1 developer Near/Byuu, because they were trans.

They simply never stopped until Near died.

They are pretty awful

wait... may they have been the "ddos" on the provider ?

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Any technical people in here I'm having issues running Neos VR on my desktop

It runs for a little while when it just locks up and I have to restart the computer

Do you have control over Windows when it locks up, or is it a total lockup and you have to reset the power?

No control when it locks up

Does this occur when playing VRChat or any other GPU/CPU intensive games?

VRChat ran ok enough last time I tried it without locking up the computer

Since it's rather odd for a specific application to hard lock a computer, I would recommend trying some other games or even running some CPU / GPU benchmarks to see if you can trigger it under load. I assume you've done the usual driver updates and checking to ensure that all of your fans are running properly and free of dust or anything that would impede cooling?

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Oh

"Axe down"

Nice work nonny👍

And another

Thanks Nonny :)

@FlameSoulis "dumb bitch" (you referring to Tizzy) lmao this is unhinged

They said "Sorry mods" all good 😅🤣

Of course they are.

trying to get people banned? you're silly.

Pointing out disgusting behavior? maybe

but more I'm just wondering why I ever gave some of these people benefit of the doubt in this channel when I see what they're really all about on the other platform

I mean I'm ok with it if it's ok to call any community member vile shit so long as they arent currently in the discord and I remember to say "sowwy mods" first

I'll just say this, I regret considering Flame a potentially well-measured person when really how they acted here was often just as a snake

Its pretty single sided and being spun up to be a big thing, while stuff happend in here were a tousends folds worse....
But yes he still insulted someone

we're just talking about community ongoings

Please be careful, confusing contexts can lead to misunderstanding and arguments.

https://imgur.com/fC3zOjM

here

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Why was the timestamp redacted?

It hides the timezone of the posting user. Common privacy thingy

I originally thought it was an accidental censor of a user's name which is more common but ya it makes sense after speaking to the Neos VR user who's making all the privacy mods.

I mean I guess, but many timezones contains millions of people so it's not like it's identifiable but I guess it's one thing you could consider private. I dislike that it's masking the timestamp which could lead it to being used in an incorrect context

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Sometimes privacy just becomes a habit and then you do it everywhere.

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Nice meeting you in Neos. If I get any pointers on controller bindings I'll let you know. For any Neos technical help, I recommend joining the Neos Discord, https://discord.gg/neosvr

Thank you

Oof...also how did you find avatars again?

Right. Just slipped my mind. Thanks