I guess you think its OK for some bizarre reason

Look I have zero clue about any of that shit

I do not agree with insulting people on an damned wiki

what I was told by the person banned, was they had thought that Karel had accidentally deleted a page and they restored it, not knowing it was actually intentional,

And I'm disappointed people actively tried to spin it as "OMG Karel banning innocent people" then "Oh Karel will ban you if you insult him!" Trying to pretend it wasn't about wiki defacement

My dude

what the hell are you even on about?

Hello 2FA works but is not required for login unless you enable it, this is done with a neos bot command in game. You can read more about this here: https://wiki.neosvr.com/2FA#Optional

can... can someone fill me the fek in?

Huh, I thought I did enabled... oki then

Dont believe everything “people” tell you

Karel, be advised that putting quotes around that makes it seem like you dont consider them people

yeah they did that in the midst of others doing defacement... a mistake they were banned. but tbh lets mask off for a moment and be honest.. they were trying to trip him up in a petty manner I'd bet

and is *not* a good look

given all the drama happening recently over the wiki

people are people. shitbags or not,

The higly abusive behavior I’ve seen is pretty non human

you wouldnt last an hour on 4chan then I guess

Why would I go there?

Screw it, gonna start using damned tone indicators

IDK, I was saying it as a humorus joke

this is cringe.

What a great joke

Have had enough of this shit for today have a great Sunday everyone 💛

I will be going through and fixing the links on the wiki to not point to github/frooxius and instead to github.com/Neos-Metaverse

damnit embed

fixing them because github will eventually clear that repo-redirect

If the links relate to the NeosVR client then that woul be pretty moronic don’t you think?

I am only fixing the links that redirect to the Neos-Metaverse org anyways

like the NeosLocale repo

Ok sure that sounds like a good idea

https://wiki.neosvr.com/index.php?title=Multi_Language_UI&diff=prev&oldid=66153

see this link for example

because again, for those in the back, Github will eventually stop redirecting to the new location

Oh quick question about the future of neos from your team
Will certain community made mods be integrated into NeosVR properly once your team gets going? Such as the "NoMoreTankControls" mod for Quest 2 users?

basically just the mods that fix various aspects

woah there

So... genuine question, who actually got unbanned?

I still wonder, what will the new Neos engine be like?

Probably a complete redo

From scratch

And very likely barren of most features

Thats complete speculation and fud, consider this a warning next time you’ll be banned

Karel I do programming, and I speak practically, from what I see there is a non-zero% likely hood of an rewrite of neos due to Froox not giving up the source,

And the features I am talking about are things like libraries to use licenses and such,

I am not saying a rewrite will be a bad thing, the gods know Neos has performance issues in its current state and several features need an remake,

I'm saying it will probably be back to where neos was originally during it's initial launch, not as complete as the current release is

I personally expect to see some regression before the team gets their feet under them for the project and for it to continue

Even if it might not be feature complete at the beginning, progress and adding features is a good thing

Yeah

Non zero and likely are very different things, barren whoah so much drama 😄

Lets be reasonable people ok

That'd be awesome

I am being reasonable lol, I have had to remake a few of my own projects in the past because I lost the source code.

Or remade a project from memory based on how it worked because I couldn't find it again,

I also once lost source code to important projects at work, I could recover from that using a decompiler and recovering what was lost

Features will be lost, that is an 100% given, but what we get in exchange, which given Karel's statements in the past, means it is highly likely that the new updated work will be open sourced

Even if it starts out as FrooxEngine patchwork scripts

Why would that be a given?

It could have more features

I am not denying that

I am saying it's a given that features will be lost, but not permanently

I don't think that is possible. However it would be good to make something new, it is about time

I’m really not seeing why features would be lost, if you developed it to feature parity or beyond no features would be lost

Take the asset import systems, or even LogiX, that shit is relatively complex, I can see if your team has difficulty recreating it if an total rewrite is needed

Yeah depends on when you release how far into development

Again, this is not FUD, It's being realistic,

It’s saying objectively untrue things and being overly pessimistic on top of it

I would not want to do that, if this was my project. I would intentionally leave features out and substitute them with different features. So that it works way better to allow NFTs, land and other things that depend on NCR

Realistically, things with your team are not likely to function exactly with how Froox had it, but that doesn't mean it will be worse

We want see NCR price go up after all, don't we?

Namely, one area of improvement I can see an rewrite handling, is the FPS

that feels like there is a lot of room for improvement that your team quite possibly are capable of fixing with time

Glad to see you can be positive as well.

I exist in an neutral space of optimistically pessimistic

Hey Karel , Passing on an inquiry from the Mentor Leads meeting: We are unsure who our official point of contact is for Solirax given the recent restructuring. Could you please clarify this point?

World needs more love and optimism, if there is just hate and negativity it’s nor worth living.

I am optimistic about things, but I can't help but see the realistic factors of them as well.

Or as I leaned in the Boy Scouts, "Hope for the Best. Prepare for the Worst"

And it needs a community that receives love and optimism, they go hand in hand

Hi, whats your name?

I guess you don't understand. I hope with time you will understand what that means

Yea. An underdeveloped release I think is the unstated speculation from Merith

I mean...hell look at how many rewrites my Ultron API went under... Like...five different rewrites who's purpose was to optimized and built round an feature I thought would be good, only then to realize "this shit is broken" and completely rewrite again, to remove that broken feature, and in the end resulted in a better codebase

It is inevitable, but that doesn't mean it is necessarily a bad thing. I see that as a good thing, a way to start over and to be better than before

A little bit. More an "Rushed Beta Release"

Learn from the mistakes of another, so that you don't do them yourself

That's an analogy that goes well with that

Or in my case. Make all the mistakes yourself so you can do things for others so they don't make them

(I mean, that's what tech support is right?)

Irick, I'm contacting you on behalf of the Mentor Lead Team, we run the Neos Mentor Program. Our previous point of contact was Veer. I'm seeking some clarity as to continuity plans for the team hand-off.

Have you tried hello@neos.com yet?

Hi, Irick don’t see you and the list how are you affiliated?

https://wiki.neosvr.com/Mentors#What_are_the_Mentor_Leads.3F

We're not directly part of moderation, so we're not listed there.

Mentors not Moderators. Green badge

Ah I see I though you are coordinated by Mods

Mentors are an important part to grow the community, they are not mods

Pleasee feel free to contact me or Andrejka with any request, would be a big pleasure

They are according to the wiki

https://neosvr.wiki/Mentors

It's on this page

I... That's not an official domain?

Having a good more intuitive UI and processes such as avatar setup would certainly help Mentors with a lot what they have to do now.

Karel plz confirm???

Oh

Confirm what?

The domain they linked?

Wether or not it's official

Well, the question is still open. As Veer is no longer in the Neos Foundation, who takes their role?

neosvr.com is official same as neos.com. However neos.com has Cloudflare DNS servers and if we link it directly to our hosting provider that the wiki is on they are vulnerable in case of a ddos attack. They defend using their own DNS. The wiki got hit by a large ddos attack recently and the hosting copmany has disabled neos.com for their servers.

That doesn't make sense

Ay I feel less foolish

To me it does

Unless we move it to their DNS which we cant because we need Cloudflare for Neos API otherwise the Neos Cloud costs would go way up

Basically, their hosting provider has their own DDOS protection, using cloudflare would render it borketh,

so neos.com exists as a face website seperate from NeosVR.com,

Correct me if I am wrong?

That doesn't add up to my understanding

Where you lost?

What exactly doesnt add up to you?

This is their original email

I think they are confused by the DNS and DDOS protection stuff

But yeah, this is basically what I am seeking clarity on. It would help to know who we should be looping in for the goal of a smooth transition.

I know quite a lot about network protocols and this doesn't add up. For example an API generates customized answers to requests, that usually cannot be cached. Adding another proxy in between would raise the costs even more instead of lowering them

Which I can't really blame them. That shit is confusing on a good day

NeosVR.com is not proxied, neos.com js

Is*

Cloudflare has free DDOS protection

English translation

Exactly that's even more of confusion, why the wiki isn't also proxied

Idfk

Yes cloudflare has protection when you increase the security settings but then the api doesnt work

Hey if you need help with cloudflare, I can help out a bit

You can set filter rules for that

Give me a second and I will get screenshots of mine

Doesnt seem you understand how it works my man

I do.

Ahh, incompetence of the hosting provider. That explains it

I have had to do it for cdn.merith.xyz and skynet.merith.xyz

They are completely competent its a very specific situation

Does this come off as rude in the original language or does the translation just butcher it?

Neosvr.com uses their DNS and there is no problem there

Yeah it comes off very much like that

If we could increase Cloudflare security level there wouldnt be problem as well

Again very specific circumstance

And they seem to be unable to do things if Cloudflare, who is even more competent and able to prevent DDoS, is in front of them

Sorry, but I am not taking that from a hosting provider

Oh! That's not too hard! Are you guys using basic Cloudflare SSL? E2E SSL, or Full E2E (proxied server use cf provided SSL to cloudflare and then cloudflare serves their own to the client)

Again it wouldnt be a problem if we could increase Cloudflare security level

I had to setup Full End2End because caddy server (Webserver software) hates being behind cloudflare otherwise

We’re using their standard SSL

Ahh!

So backend server http, cf provides https correct?

I think they are both https

Ahhhh

That might be the problem?

Maybe

I know cloudflare is finicky

That's a proper setup that way

Does the cloudflare have the Orange Cloud ticked on the dashboard?

The problem is that Neos is expecting its api not a Cloudflare is checking whethere youre not evil website

And you want to do it that way, even if Cloudflare can read the traffic in between

OH

YEAH THATS SUPER FEKKIN EASY

Let me find the setting

No, wait

I have that setup for TOR clients on my domain

There are rules to do that but we have none left

fire me a DM on discord so I can share screenshots easily
merith is my user

I see the problem. Because Neos client also goes through Cloudflare to API backend, the security level cannot be raised or it would consider legitimate access from the client as DDoS and shut the API off

OH, oh yeah that would be problem

Also the host blocked it and I’m pretty sure they are not interested in more server downtime because of our kind community and wont unblock until we use a domain with their DNS

Switch providers

So neosvr.com it is for the wiki for now

Oh, yeah that is uh... switch providers

that would be the best buisness practice for this in my opinino

We’ll be doing that with the next wiki update

And stop using Cloudflare for the API backend

To the same host ticket system is at

Might I throw an hosting provider suggestion for their low prices and moderatly decent support?

Why? It saves thousands of dollars each month

Use Cloudflare for the assets or another cloud thing

Caching assets

Assets aren't API

What is the AVERAGE (not cherry picked from that boom months ago) TB Bandwidth usage for Neos?

You have to access them somehow

Use caching distribution network for assets. Don't use it for api

like, just take the last three months, and give an rough estimate

Maybe even put the CDN for Assets in a different security level than your browser facing websites

Content delivery network?

CDN yes. Sorry

Karel said they were out of page rules and CF only gives 3 free

Azure also has CDN, which can be used for assets

they are using Azure, but that usage will likely add onto the bill

Its about 10 times as expensive as CF we were of course looking at that first

hey karel, how much are you paying your hosting provider (not azure) and what are the specs the servers got? (ballpark it, gb storage, and gb ram)

I think you even have that, but it might be limited to Neos Pro users only

Which is weird, as that'd mean, Neos Pro users causing less cost on azure, than all the regular Neos users

Even though Azure CDN looks like more costs upfront, serving the GB from CDN is cheaper than serving the same amount from blob storage alone

broo

I looked at wedos's services

*holy shit*

for their HIGHEST TEIR

1gb RAM limit
5gb DB limit

for WEB HOSTING

However that might only apply to user base in the amount of 10.000 and above

That might explain why the wiki has been thinned out

their highest teir storage, 1tb

storage is an seperate plan

so,
webhost
5€ Month
1gb RAM
5gb DB

storage * TB allocated
12,60€
1TB
3mil files

I can litterally get a better speced dedicated VPS than what these guys provide at enviro for half the fekkin cost
125€
Xeon E3-1230Lv3
4/8 Cores/Threads
1.8ghz
32gb DDR *3* Ram
2TB SATA
120GB SSD

Cloudflare has a low fixed monthly fee and can be even used completely for free. Hard to compete with that.

is why I have my domain through them!

These guys are great a lot of them are my friends, have used their services for more than ten years now.

AHHHH

PAIN

Except when the free plan doesn't work out, as you obviously need features, that are out of scope of the free plan

What specs are you paying for and how much? so I can help you find options to save money

They give great support but I’m aware of their limitations and we’ll be seitching.

Are they really friends if they do that to you?

^ this ^

I think its called Unlimited Hosting Plus or something with some extra services

https://hostingplusnetworks.com/
these guys?

This is the most generic ass website I have seen,

looking at their plans

These guys https://www.wedos.com

yeah thats where I was looking at the costs originally

and just... cringing

What are they doing to me exactly? We are the resons why their datacenter was down a few times for a lot of their other customers

If someone is doing something bad its us to them

the attitude they were giving you as a customer

unless the tone did not translate properly

What attitude? We should use their DNS so they can protect themseves from ddos attacks not hard to understand

They were completely dismissive of you

You are dismissive of both me and them

Then more I read, the more of the incompetence unfolds

They were very understanding and provided a lot of info and support

Who is really to blame are those piece of shits doing the ddos attacks dont you think?

How am I being dismissive of you?

Okay imagine I say this

"Hey! There are thousands of requests to the website, we dont know if its legitimate traffic or not due to your use of cloudflare.
Go talk to them about it, or use our services entirely"

It is not about the DDoS attacks, those are bad, let's not make them look better than they really are

Man they sent us many emails about it what are you busting my balls about

It’s what it is

for the API subdomains, you could in theory just turn off the CF proxy status

We dont pay them enough for figuring how to deal with massive ddos attacks without their DNS they are good guys who live nearby and do mostly local stuff

Again they have said they need their own DNS as they protect themself there

If they need DNS control to avert DDoS, they have a much bigger issue than just that

CNAME record

Yes thats why our cname doesnt work now

wait, they are actively blocking CF connection to their servers???

It's like removing street signs to prevent a flood of people driving into that street

to some degre

In this one specific case yes because they are trying for their servers to remain online for other customers

Not for all CF traffic

do you know how much bandwidth the servers are using monthly?

What servers?

the ones you have with them

I think stats are somewhere on their website

I mean the stats NEOS is contributing

im trying to guage Neos's needs so that I can properly help you find alternative services

Its spelled Neos, dunno probable not visible in the backend

I’m not interested in that we have a new host selected

whats the new host?

As I said before it will be moved to the same host the tickets system is at

Ground/Google

Google does VPS hosting???

Through partners yes

but why tho?

LIke im actually curious the reasons

https://eu.siteground.com

Doesnt look terrible

Be careful you almost said a positive thing 😄

Pretty much the only thing I am hesitant about the "this is what you will expect when using everything how we want it"

Thats better

Tho why did you opt for an WP host?

Neos doesnt use WP??

They are not only WP host

Mediawiki is also PHP

I could litterally run an media wiki off my personal server in about an hour

Any host that doesnt do auto WP setup would be bit suspicious, why not not that hard to do

I personally think that WordPress is overdone,

Looks pretty succesfull to me

A few websites do use it

To me its one of those things that "Not EVERYTHING needs it" and actually puts me off of using services that provide it just out of the box

standard webhosting works fine for me

Yeah but some people do need it so why not to have the feature and attract more customers?

fair

I do like the "smooth email transfer" stuff

I tried setting up my own email server a while back (domain still has the mx records to prove it) but never used it and it took wayyy too many resources than I could afford at the time

Mailservers are a chore

like, I still have my TLSA, dkim, dmark, an second dkim...

I tried using Mailcow which is an all in one package, that thing eats like a damned cow

an fat, full featured, cow

sure it works, but due to having an tk domain at the time, and current an xyz domain.....

Were using Google Workspaces, Sendgrid, Wedos and Brevo mailservers as you can see in our records

it always went straight down to spam

Heard of Sendgrid, heard of good things about them, even looked at them for my own services but... ya know... no money

Pretty expensive stuff

So just to confirm, which services are being moved over to the new host?

None at this time

Will be moved with the next update

I mean the ones that are planned to be moved

Wiki

okay but now im curious, who dafuq owns neosvr.wiki

it doesnt use the Neos SSO

It... appears to be an archival wiki?

Looks like a copy/mirror

I mean... not entirely objecting but it does need to pull recent changes

Doesnt seem to have changes

More seems like a one time fork

It could just be a mirror of the old wiki. It would make sense considering breaking changes (and deletions)

yeah

Like just a historic version

Probably run by the same people who were ddosing the official wiki

Yeah looks like it

nah I dont think it would be DDOSing at that point

Perhaps that ddos was unintentional to make a copy

it might've just been MediaWiki's official import tool

Its lot of context that has to be requested from the server

Importing what exactly?

Karel are you able to see the IP Addresses of connections to the wiki?

it looks like the entire wiki was just imported over as a snapshot, akin to forking an repo on github

Yes but perhaps that person didn't had access to the actual database behind

And used http-requests to mirror that wiki (download it entirely)

You would have to have access to the database to do that. Looks more like combination of data mining a phishing

Maybe??? the first "user" appears to have been created july 27th

You can clone a wiki without dB access

I personally dont see any harm in it, as long as it gets an disclaimer that its an unofficial source

No shit sherlock

Ah... you said the opposit, just to be objective here? Or i missunderstoud.

Thanks watson

You can clone a wiki through mining its data

As with anything publicly accesible

Yes, that could have triggert the ddos-alert. It makes sense. So we are on the same page

Thanks for the ddos Probable

I don't think Probable needs to do it that way

That's a very serious accusation

What makes you think ProbablePrime did it?

And what other way is there?

if ProbablePrime had access to the DB, an DDOS is entirely unessecary

😂 how he’d have acess to the db

I... i mean its speculation. Does Froox still has access to that DB? If yes, he would have given Probable probably a copy

No

That wiki has all the office hours till March, which is good as history is preserved there

Again, What makes you think ProbablePrime did it???

Although, just text only

can I get the exact date? I am making an edit to the main page so that it is known it is unofficial

I see. Well i still think that probably someone random of the community has done it. I think backups exist on the side of the "other team". I am actually pretty certain.

This comment seems to indicate it, of course it could have been someone else

Try checking recent changes around March 19th

No that comment states possibilities

Stating that it can be done, does not indicate one doing it

its like me saying I COULD make an new tailroot, as it is easy to do

but that doesnt me I have done it

ProbablyPrime is basicly "the teacher" of neos. He always teaches people how to do things, unrelated to what he does himself. Its why he is so valuable to the community.

I could eat the cheese in my fridge

👍

Lol again with the cheese spam

Very funny

But i don't deny the fact that he could have done it, just its a very strange accusation considering that i think ProbablyPrime would just have used a backup.

I hope you take the cheese out of the fridge to eat instead of actually eating inside your fridge

What backup 😂

I compare cheese to neos a lot. I like both a lot. That's why I spend so much time with both.

I also could have done it, but that domain isn't mine

I certainly assume anyone working with a product like neos has lots of backups. I am willing to bet on you that Froox has a backup of anything neos related. Thats just how programmers do things. We don't trust technology. If that toaster does a strange noise, thats why the shotgun is beside it.

(i am joking obviously)

The point is, you work in a certain way as a programmer.

Probable has never had access to Wiki and Tomas hasn’t got access since he resigned from Solirax CoreDev about two years ago

So no backup for sure mate

Its clearly old school mining

Aight everyone stop, im looking at mediawiki documentation

I am sure you know better then me than. But Thomas did patch neos relative recently, and the api change was relative recently too. So i assumed that he had access.

I did not do anything. I guess you mean Tomas

he has access to the Game Builds, not the backend servers

Yes some access definitely not webhosts

Sorry about the mix-up, i will use the Name Froox from now on again to prevent such mixups

It's all right, you're good. No worries

Okay yeah no

https://wiki.neosvr.com/Special:Export/Main_Page

super easy to export for re-importation

That export has been turned off, that would have been the first I tried

Are you sure about that?

Export interface is not usually on, but it seams to be

I tried that before, it didn't work

Ohh, wait. I confused that with the actual export tool

legit, there is enough documentation and tools avaliable I could write an wikimedia scraper for just the XML

already exists

I remember there is a tool for that already which worked to make a backup like that

I cant find it

And no, i didn't copy the wiki (just to make this clear :P )

i think the last time... i think i did it with pywikibot

but again, that puts lots of strain on the wiki you intend to copy

there is also the WikiTeam Python script dumpgenerator.py

Though that is definitely NOT a DDoS

Dos mean denial of service, that includes the intent to deny service for other people by preventing the server to function normally

In any case, there is already a dublicate of neos wiki, so perhaps use that to dublicate that again

In before taken down

Yes but ddos warnings are often triggered by unexplained ten thousands of requests, something that can obviously happen by cloning

DDoS also implies it would come from a multitude of sources, multiple IP addresses

Yeah

Restoring a wiki document isn't defacing, that's completely delusional.

afaik, directly from the edit messages off the wiki themselves, one user (probably the one you are referring) believed a mistake was happening, there are also still many edits including insulting comments
there was no discretion in the account limits however

You know what the user beleives how? Some kind of a superpower to see into peoples minds to read their thoughts I suppose.

i can assume based on what that user himself has said about this situation externally, surely

Defacing is a very subjective thing. If Karel believes that the users are lowering the value/usefulness of the wiki he owns by restoring these office hours pages, then it is defacing.

It is a bit unfortunate though, since I worked with Prime on putting the office hours on the wiki

Ahh you don’t know you’re just assuming. Don’t believe everything people say and write. The world we live in is unfortunately bit more complicated than that.

i see. thats highly unfortunate

The office hours info is super useful

The “office” hours info can be useful on the Discord, wiki clone, or Probables personal website/blog but not on official website/wiki impersonating a Neos contractor or employee

So... that would mean no Community content is welcome on the Neos Wiki?

Community content is very welcome, thats basically all the wiki is just not impersonating Neos employees

Massively disappointing disrespect to the people who made neos what it was.

100% but what can you do

They love to hate on Karel

"Oh, woe is me, I twisted my friends work into something with barely any worth, and now they want nothing to do with me."

I would recommend to stop mocking someone on a communication channel they own.

I twisted it by wanting a better UI, Neos being open source and not sabotaging NCR 😂 I’m the most evil person alive.

Fine. I'm just disappointed.

The only people that sabotaged NCR were the cryptobros that saw the funny number go up

Not really, if you own something you want it go up not down. Your logic has some flaws.

Pretty much the only thing I can really "hate" you for, is trying to shove crypto into an unfinished product,

Like... If Neos was considered "Release Ready" without NCR, then yeah integrate it lol

How would we pay for cloud without the crypto?

It was a last resort we had ZERO

Money

Yeah, which is why I'm not dissing on it as much as I could've

Hundreds of investors said NO

Once the number starts going down, it really crashes because everyone sells. There was nothing stopping it.

You know what I think, I think what is really happening is that people are just angry with reality. That stuff costs money and you have to get them somehow. That there are authorities in the world. And I’m a representation of that for them and an easy target. I get it. I don’t love how some things work as well. If I could wave a magic wand to not need money to do something like Neos I would for sure.

I think the main issue is that people are pissed at those who exploited the NCR token for their own personal gain and left the project entirely,

It’s their money and they have the right to sell. What is the real problem is when people from the company distance themselves from the token.

Then you get zero trust and that results in a freefall.

Or when those with Tokens distance themselves from the project/company entirely

The token has no value without the project/company/foundation. Again holders are not interested in things that decrease the value of token they are holding.

My trust fall was only caused by your multiple wrong actions in the past.

What actions?

Whose 1000 Ether coins belong to

For example, the quite hidden, non-announced discord Poll to change NCR.

Using people's signatures without permission

How do you know about it if it was not announced?

Froox even tried his quickest best to spread awareness by using the Neos Bot to notify people...

I was long before the NCR hype in neos?

Nobody used a signature it was a text moved to a different place in new revision

Jesus jesus jesus

I meant your Staking polls or burning ncr poll

This feels like talking with a wall

wat....

No point really

Sometimes it's better to just walk away from conversations like this and work on the bigger picture to solve problems, then in the long term things will work out

I’m not allowed to do polls or what?

This.

Readuns saying that users should have been better informed

I’m the co-founder and CEO I can do polls my man

Better informed about what?

The polls were not somehow private anyone could have voted

Not when it affects Money and you only have it in one tiny channel....

It should have been:
- Notfy via announcements
- Neos Bot
- E-Mails even

And definatly Longer than what was it? Half a day or so?

I don’t think it was that interesting to most of the community, doing it in the NCR channel was because thats where people interested in NCR were

Every Patreon User was involved with NCR.
Maybe a handfull of those people were activly looking into that specific channel that had no active pings.

I'm very optimistic about ncr

You could even have used the @ everyone ping there

Later everyone was pinged when we knew more people are interested

I'm gonna mute this channel so I can sleep

We did

You can mute channels for a time instead of unlimited ;)

After everyone was pointing it out and it still was way too short

Or you can mute them and then unmute

Like on a TV

Once I was looking i to how to mute a TV in an time limited fashion but haven’t found a way 😂

China is very optimistic about NCR

Just muting and unmuting sounds like the normal way to do it

I often mute some channels or use sleep mode on my smartphone in general for specific times. Its very important for a good sleep

even if you don't wake up, its disturbing for sleep quality

Cant deny we do feel the same...

Yeah I dont think most TVs or phones got time specific mute option

they do have usually a sleep mode, like to shutdown after 30 minute and the time is extended by 30 minute if it pops up and you click OK

for people that like going to sleep while the TV runs

Has ncr been resolved yet? The market is very good now

They do usually have sleep mode

Can you answer me

I think NCR is kind of stable. Much will depend on what Karels team is doing next... showing upcoming development

(personal assessment)

Is anyone aware of any inventory loading issues at the moment? Some folders will just be empty.

Don’t know what you mean by Neos Credits being resolved, but we are working towards an exciting update and things seem to be moving in a very positive direction from what I can see

Hilarious that the only shit you ppl can come up with against Karel is trying to fund the project with crypto as a last resort (that Froox also initially approved and supported), running a stupid informal poll in discord, and what amounts to a clerical error that was fixed immediately when pointed out.

Even assuming for the sake of argument that Karel was in the wrong on all of those things, the team's response to go nuclear and blow it all up was stupid beyond belief

its not super uncommon that some people delete the original folder and it breaks
sometimes the folder link changes somehow and then the folder goes to nowhere but i only experienced that once

Will gifting storage work again in the future?

I need to gift a friend some storage

Afternoon/Evening. Do you have a launch/release date or at least can provide teasers/screenshots/details on what the update will contain? And also, would you be able to share how this supports Neos/NCR? Thanks!

Any response to this Karel?

I say that because it happens on my own stuff that (I obviously) didn't delete
Like for instance, my worlds folder can't load for some reason

Have you tried to go to the cloud symbol and then back to personal folder?

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Yup

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Good morning

Morning

Gm

afternoon

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its the microwave kitty