Personally the only real upside to NCR i see is that we dont have to deal with christian puritan Visa and Mastercard, but we'll live if we have to deal withthem

well as I've proposed before, you can have all the payment options and give them artificial processing fees, and let NCR be used for no extra fee so you have an advantage over the rest

Like I’m asking these things out of genuine curiosity. NCR, even to the team, has largely been presented as something similar to the Linden Dollar from Second Life.

so if karel stepped down youd honor the ncr holders? no you wouldnt.

fiat being usable was always upfront.

That would certainly be a productive step in the right direction. But that's not necessarily what is being offered. So far, all we've heard is that NCR would just become third-party. What we are trying to say is that by itself is not a realistic offer.

basically? but they dont want to just get rid of karel. this fine group of minds is pretty ambitious and they want to axe Karel and rid their hands of ncr at the same time

Hard to say really. Understand that there’s the other side of the whole crypto stuff on the platform- like the actual community that uses the platform that have been awarded NCR for their contributions to the platform, including certain organizations like the Creator Jam which organizes the MMC. This isn’t quite as simple as “OGs vs Cryptobros”

I understand the point that NCR needs to have an advantage over the rest so that it can have value out of the game, but monetizing our creations I think isn't the right way to go

iirc when i was watching chat you said "we dont care about NCR"

pretty straigjt forward no posturing honesty

and speaking for the whole team too

We certainly didn’t. It wasn’t we loved it. It wasn’t we hated it. It just kind of existed in our periphery

so this attempt at being vague about your intention is kinda offputting to me

well then that is a core philosophical disagreement. if the team shares that view, then, outside litigation, i don't see a path forward without forking into two completely separate projects.

to be honest I'd prefer to see a split up so that each party can continue working on their version of neos independently

i agree at this point

Free market would then dictate which is most popular

It didn’t have much value for a long time, so no one really cared about it. We just developed the platform with occasional spot checks as needed for NCR. Otherwise the platform has plenty of room for growth without it- but certainly people who have done work on the platform with some expectation of value for their NCR is a concern, which makes this whole situation messy.

Honestly I think even if NCR isnt pushed in your facee when you first launch neos the one thing i have faith in Karel about is that he could probably pretty succesfully at least raise awareness about his payment option existing as a third option.

I have no confdence in his leadsership, but do in his possible advertising

whiich is why i see third party as the only surviviable option for NCR and a hard fork as just watching a flightless chick starve on the groud next to the tree

@Geenz Would you be fine with the scenario of keeping your own version of neos, but under a different name?

I dont see this as a problem

A rather persistent meme was “one day my NCR will be worth enough to buy <x>”, where x is usually some really normal thing like a Big Mac that doesn’t cost very much.

I made a post about ordering pizza with NCR hue

yeah

it seems ncr wasnt a problem until it pumped

The cool thing about the standalone launcher currently is that it seems to still map to the SteamID when launching so ADV-OVR can actually replace the mapping

sorry thought you were talking about something else

Frankly, had it not pumped at least most of the issues surrounding Karel would have been pushed out for quite some time more.

unronically this dispute happening now rather than later down the line is a positive

um i think it happened at the worst possible time

Yeaaaahhhhhhh… like it’s been stated many times that NCR is not the issue, but it is one of them

Because Ncr went down or?

The biggest one Karel has more or less commented on in his recent doc- which is good on him I think.

would have been better at a time when the market was flat or way cooled off, not when there was a wave of fresh bagholders and when the price action was unnaturally moved by announcement vs counter announcement

Id more say the walls unnaturally made NCR seem more stable than it was

ive no doubt ncr wouldve cooled off on its own but its really quite a spectacle when visible drama causes violent and sharp price movement

I think timing wise, yes. That would have been better. But it is what it is.

It better be pepperoni smh

only cheeses

id argue the community and dev attitude made it more volatile than it should have been.

You cunt

PEPPERONI ONLY

It is a side effect of the coin not having any value of itself yet

yeah i can agree with that to an extent definitely

this is a christian minecraft server snubby

My bad cheese supremacist

Hehe

and yeah i agree the coin not having much utility at the time made it also volatile

NCR was added into neos way too early

since the only utility beyond sending receiving was quickly added during the boom

if it had any chance to stand, it would have to be there with a marketplace

Ive been tipped in NCR numerous times for my work, even after the crash now

I still have my NCR. If it goes up then awesome. If not then it doesn't bother me. I was kinda thrown into it.

People have brought up the elysium casino. While it is true they have made a business out of it, crypto based businesses are not ready to thrive in this ecosystem

Doesnt elysium survive off of patreon money?

I think ppl bought in and certain prices were not sustainable in the short term, but those who play these markets ornjust wanted metaverse exposure after facebook could see visibly in the discord that there were problems in the community and thr devs were not on their side so selling wasnt normal pullbacks but massive offloading

Does it have a patreon?

thats my impression

im p sure thats how you beome a vip

and get into the secret room

may be misremembering

Yeah I just don't support casinos, I think it's a gambling generator

That’s a really big theme I’ve seen with crypto as a whole. A lot of it just doesn’t seem… ready I guess? Like I love the idea behind a distributed ledger. Just a lot of it doesn’t seem ready yet for mass consumption for many reasons

I think its Ko-fi for 10usd

The only thing about elysium i dont support is that they dont open source their casino systems which is why ill be working on a completely open Casino systems folder

Yeah the fact you cant cash out is what lets elysium survive on the grey line of the law

id definitely say pure loss gambling like that should still be regulaed the same

Absolutely im more than ready to develop open systems to fill the utility where there is a vacuum

Honestly if the meta hype could have been postponed by a year, Neos would have been far better for it regardless of who would be CEO.

Loot boxes can not be cashed out but still are bein considered gambling in some places i would say that that follows the same line as gambling with no cash out option

PTSD flashbacks of meetings with Oz where he threatens to ban the Exodus team for not playing by his rules engage

War War never changes

Who came up with that joke again? I don’t remember if it was you or me or Clix or what

Oh. Nice.

Wouldn’t that be my biography

Oh no

But anyways, I figured I’d originally join this chat just to see what’s going on. I think there is some duty to make sure at least people who use the platform aren’t totally screwed from all of this. I think that much everyone can agree on, and obviously people who dumped money into the ICO to buy the currency get some trickle down from that. At least, that’s my opinion.

If NCR is made third party this is exactly the issue.

People always prefer first party supported products. Look at Paypal and eBay. Despite people hating Paypal over the years, the vast majority still used it.

You used to have the option of payment processor there, but it is all streamlined into Paypal.

This is not a question about developing NCR into a faster/cheaper payment option like the competition between L1s ETH, AVAX, SOL, etc. The primary utility of NCR necessarily must come from first-party support. For example, in the form of artificial fees on alternative fiat transactions and delegating NCR as zero-fee, promotion within the platform and eventual marketplace, or permitting revenue sharing from fiat-transaction fees going to NCR stakers, etc. These aren't things that a third party can accomplish independently.

People still used paypal in the early days when it was barellly suppoted, its the only reason we got more and mor eplaces to support it

NCR could easily stay ahead in usability. That is what a product does. It evolves to stay competitive.

Paypal did the same, they evolved to keep people attached to it.

If someone makes a more convenient payment method than NCR and NCR dies then thats the free market doing good work

If someone made a more convenient payment method other than NCR, then NCR would be made more convenient.

You are not understanding what I am saying.

This is good

Karel would not just let it die because something better comes along. He'd do his best to improve it.

Competition breeds a better product

Well unless you are a streaming service then you just bs with exclusivity deals

There were discussions years past. For example, one thing mentioned was that we could have debit card purchases of NCR.

To make it easy to use

you're just spitting out platitudes about free market competition now

But am i wrong?

Reactant and I have provided detailed points about why certain main features can't be developed independently by a third party

so far i haven't heard a substantive response to any of that, from you, geenz, or anyone else from discord

If NCR is made third party, then there will be no incentive to use NCR over any other third party option. It becomes especially more complicated if Frooxius decides to add first party support for another product other than NCR after making NCR third party.

It will give him full power to put the final nail the coffin.

The idea Karel has of the two companies splitting development solves these issues. I don't see why this idea isn't supported more.

Reader’s digest version? There is interest by the team to expand various plugin APIs for what it’s worth for it to be more or less a first class currency- even if it’s a plug-in. Can’t really make those without knowing the specific asks though.

Neos (Frooxius) can have their non-crypto universe, Neos (Karel) can have the same universe starting out, but with NCR. Each developed independently.

In the early days, Paypal was an optional product to use for buying/selling. Many people avoided it. Think 10+ years ago.

I mean hell, in time we hope to let people just auto load plugins on the fly depending on the session. But that takes a ton more work

See i dont consider this because i dont see Karel succeeding n his own, but thats just my lack of confidence in his leadership nothing more substantial

When you use ebay today, you are still using paypal.

It is all Paypal now on the backend, even if you don't use your Paypal account.

You are incorrect, full stop.

Stop being a child

How does ebay convert your mailed check into paypal?

This kind of bickering is irritating as hell.

show me a seller that accepts mailed checks?

Im guessing there is some but I cant think Ive ever seen any in years

or like a decade

not just that though, im p sure theres still plenty accepting wire transfers

"It's all paypal now" is a strange statement, like yeah paypal is very dominant but that doesnt mean you cant use anything else

and are insults like these really needed?

When a buyer purchases something on eBay, they are not using anything except Paypal, except for a very vast minority.

This is how NCR would end up

This isn't mainly about technical capability but about policy-setting for the in-game economy. At a minimum for NCR to maintain value and use case over other forms of transaction options, there would need to be (1) guarantee of NCR being crypto-exclusive in Neos; (2) alternative fiat payments would have fees with NCR as zero in-game transaction fees; (3) ease of use and accessibility within game and market; and (4) ideally other options to add utility, e.g., tipping and microtransactions, and fee/revenue sharing to NCR stakers.

Not really, NCR would need a very easy to swap NCR to fiat currency function with nearly no fees to archive this.

Yeah disputes is one big upside of Paypal, but ive heard of abuse cases of it too

These aren't things that a third-party can enforce or simply build into the platform without support from the team that controls the platform code. Economic structuring/incentives/policy can't just be implemented through a plugin.

i'm talking about officially supported options

Sure- and that’s where an agreement would come into play absolutely. On point 1 specifically, maybe 2. 3 and 4 do have some technical asks, and that’s where I see having a more broad payment API that hooks into literally everything comes into play.

Now- by crypto exclusivity, do you mean exclusively for crypto payments specifically? I.e., NCR is the only crypto option for whatever period of time or even perpetually or?

Yes, and that first part is critical. There has to be an agreement about what the future in-game economy would look like with sufficient guarantees and support for the viability of NCR, apart from just the API plugins themselves.

As in officially supported crypto payment option within the game and marketplace. Obviously as a sandbox, if someone wants to code a different payment system that uses ETH, BTC, SOL, or whatever, then that could exist in a parallel system, but NCR would retain advantages through ease of use and accessibility, as well as network effect.

Again, if NCR was actually supported by first party, which unfortunately isn't the situation we find ourselves in, these things would happen naturally because team would be aligned in the incentives to promote their own token. But without that, there needs to be a binding agreement going forward to guarantee that, otherwise as Reactant point out, the main dev team could just reverse course and rug NCR in the future.

Mmm, yeah, I don’t see that happening. That’s more or less railroading I feel by forcing people into a default. And I can’t say I see that ending well more broadly. Like beyond marketing impact of that, someone will just… develop non crypto options and the masses will likely use those instead.

Imagine for a moment that PayPal wanted in on this whole Neos thing, and they started shipping their own plug-in to try and cut out the middleman. What would you expect us to do in that scenario as an NCR holder?

The whole point is that in a normal situation like this there is no "free market" - the main dev team supports their own token. And this is why many invested - they thought NCR would have the full backing and support of the team over other payment options.

Yeah... I don't think it's gonna go over well with the target audience if neos' market was crypto-exclusive

It's an unusual case for sure. As I just responded to Firr, in the normal case, the team would support its own token over other options. If the team doesn't want to do that for NCR....then what is an acceptable compromise? Not sure, and I certainly don't have all the answers. But it seems like the alternative at this point is multi-year litigation or forking the projects.

Not crypto-exclusive. There would be other fiat alternatives like Paypal. I mean as in no other crypto coin would receive official first-party support like NCR.

Still don't think that would go over well. That's how you kill mass adoption of the platform. The market is... well, suffice to say; not totally into the crypto bit for a myriad of reasons I don't disagree with.

Speaking hypothetically since we don't have a marketplace built out yet - but for example, in the marketplace when you want to buy something, you'd have option to pay using Paypal or other fiat, and then NCR would be the only crypto option.

I'm not sure i follow

I think we're on the same page on that. In terms of actual usage, not sure where else people would use NCR. It could still trade freely on other exchanges though, just like any other currency market.

I suppose two parties could always transact in whatever currency they want to outside the game/platform themselves. But otherwise yeah, based on the example you're suggesting, Decentraland would have to support NCR as a payment option in its own platform, which I don't see ever happening.

and i never said that

If the team developed a marketplace, they could design it however they want to, including the addition of fees or exemption from fees. And this is the point I've been trying to make all along. Those are decisions that a first-party dev team can make within their own platform. It's not possible for a third-party.

well, based on what you just said, to make the most money off transactions possible

fine - to make the most money

You seem to be coming at this from the perspective of designing the Neos economy from a blank slate. I'm coming at it from the present reality in which NCR has ICO'ed and there is a core legal dispute between the two co-owners of the company, and trying to figure out a workable compromise.

Again, your suggestion is to just shunt off NCR as a third-party token with no official support from the team, apart from API plugins that are equally available to any other payment option. Karel and the crypto community has already made it clear those aren't realistic or acceptable options, for reasons many of us have stated over and over.

Anyways i'm off to go have lunch. enjoyed chatting

Well, I quit. Nice knowing you all, but I am gone for good now. https://twitter.com/Reactant20/status/1502417342529261575

sorry to see you go, mate

best of luck

Didn’t expect waking up to read this. What a shame. Best of luck.

Is there a tldr to what geenz said?

I also quit NeosVR. Too many sexual things in it. It’s just a small platform for furries. It won’t become a big platform like vrchat.

Sexual pardon I though its a vr platform

The sex industry has always been a pioneer in technological innovation.

They were the first ones to embrace online payment, subscription service etc. it’s only normal if VR is in part pioneered by people who are trying to explore their sexuality. I personally have no problem with people engaging in sexual activity, and even think it’s a good thing, as long as it’s consented, by all parties, including the “audience”.

Just plain weird

Weirdos man

Do it in real life ffs

Reactant Don't leave the world to Furry fandom. Saw your long twitter .

Man weirdo as in doing stiff sexual in vr is weird

I give up on humanity

Yh weird

Just do it in real life

Talk to a real person

Furries man

Now everyone is happy. NeosVR will be dying

Along with NCR

That statement just goes out to show how toxic the small community is. When you live in a bubble you go insane without even knowing it.

Bubble is sexual activity in vr weird asf weirdo

Ncr to the moon

Twitter is the go-to porn site for many, doesn’t stop presidents from engaging with politics on it. Neos could have been a metaverse for everybody. Unfortunately it’s stranded in a very toxic culture by a very small group of people.

I thought the devs were puffing their chests saying "we dont care about money!" all the time?

I'm sad to see Reactant go but he made a lot of valid points that I feel are also echoed by many other players who have tried Neos and ended up feeling alienated. The furry fandom can be incredibly insulated and I feel that the homogeneous culture that has developed in-world is a reflection of this at times. When I brought this up in the Neos Discord, it was mostly met with personal ad hominem attacks and denial instead of considering the concerns of players who are leaving - which I feel is a big part of the problem.

That’s partly why NeosVR can’t get more users onboard

I have been a huge cheerleader of Neos and really believed in what they were creating, but they have so many hurdles to overcome both culturally and technically. In order to achieve those goals the entire company needs to be working united together in lockstep to materialize the larger vision.

The UI issues were a central theme of the board of directors meetings and I think the team is very aware that users are asking for changes on that front. UI/UX is one piece of a much larger puzzle that needs to be solved.

Fml I thought furry was a particularly nerdy vr player with a furry avatar, didn’t realise there was a beastiality side to it

who did Reactant ban if anyone?

thats all it seems

and khosumi and geenz were only here to stir shit. Khosumi was just being a snivvly little snake in the grass here soley to find juicey tidbits to feed to the discord

he was addicted to this drama

yer Khosumi full wolf in sheeps clothing in this group

those guys must be well off cause I swear they don’t have jobs as alwaysssss on TG discord

for sure

and Geenz fuck him, he came in here to start shit only

Funny they think their community is irreplaceable nobody wants a community like that trash

That discord is worst thing ever

he came in here to basically communicate "hi im going to flood you with low tier petty arguments while pretending like Im not talking about financially ruining you all in the background" peak passive aggressive bulkshit

thats what all neos team really is doing. they're getting off on their rugpull and feeding off this drama its caused

And they say they trying to keep quiet and not make statements

Lol

Unprofessional devs regardless clearly

like they are having a blast its obvious and geenz couldnt keep it in his pants he has to come here with stupid bunk arguments about why he thinks his plugin fuckyou idea isnt all that bad

just straight up malicious and we have to sit and pretend he's not trying to fuck people up

and constantly contradicting himself.

"ncr isnt the problem, its karel. actually we dnnt mind ncr. actually we just dont care about ncr. actually we see ncr and crypto association bad"

like he basically slooowly pulled off his mask within the last 24 hours saying all those things

I mean I know its obvious but

I hate when ppl there try to pretend they werent biased from the start

Well looks like going to be same shit different day for a while

Lol

stop

@tizzers

Jeez... what happened in here 😆

yiikes chat got cursed funny and really lewd really fast

None

Furries destroyed everything

Furries army stronger and larger than crypto ? No

Can someone kick him out ?

Karel do something?

None

I hope Karel knows that while many people, like me, are generally in support of him in this feud in light of the dev team's demonstrablly unethical behaviour, his lack of candor, or even outright distortion of what's really unfolding is an important reason why so many investors are reeling from this mess. I hope he'd be more forthcoming from now on about what's happening, and make a firm, clear stance in his negotiations with the team. There's still hope for Neos, but no need to appease those who made their intent of destruction crystal clear.

I don't think much is going to happen until a joint statement is made clearly defining the ownership of the platform and the roles of everybody involved going forward.

At the end of the day NCR is Karel's baby and IMO pushing the price of the token down is his opposition's way of trying to minimize his involvement in the project because there is no way to remove him as a legal half owner of Solirax.

No doubt it’s gonna take some time.

Unless there is a mutually agreed upon settlement outside of court, the legal battle that will ensue will absolutely be complicated and drawn out.

That’s the key here. The team is doing all this damage just ‘cause and clearly isn’t concerned about froox’ personal interest.

This group of Furries have problems. First, they have poor self-control ability and are very self-centered. It can be seen from the status of their alignment with others and the sex stuff on the platform. Second, they are immature and impulsive. Because what they are doing now is to harm others but not benefit themselves. Although ncr investors suffer huge losses, they cannot get any practical benefits.After a while, they will fall into bankruptcy again (because there are no new users and no new funds coming in). They may regret it, but they do not have the ability to think rationally in the long run.They just want to kill their opponents now.

There remind me of a book I thoroughly enjoyed.

Here’s the third basic law of human stupidity as outlined by the author.

wow. ive never seen this

I guess the first bot attack to the group? It takes less than 10 mins to set up Rose or Shieldy to avoid this mess

Whoever is admin, please!

Tell your devs to put big boy pants on then, they aren't negotiating, they're trying to push Karel out

Geenz might be one of the major players in this mess, I'd expect few of the inner circle having huge influence on Froox

who knows. i saw how he treated some members of the discord chat who werent doong anything wrong

i can only imagine how he acted behind closed doors

echo chambers make people really vile and get them thinking theyre not doing anything wrong when they act like assholes

That is so messed up...

That's a shame to throw away a life time opportunity like this one.

Thats unlucky 😆

There is a really good book you might enjoy

It is a very interesting insight into human behaviour-and you’ll find that a lot of it what is happening can be observed in online communities in general and in society as a whole. We are complicated products of our ego and we tend to protect it at all cost. There’s always going to be some problem. Some drama. The trick is to not let circumstances and emotion absolutely take over and act out.

Well we can try at least 😁

Good thing it’s on sale on Amazon. Will check it out. Thanks.

I’m hoping that we can create a better environment in and around Neos in time

So people can enjoy it again

It’s the whole point - it should enhance peoples lives not to cause more stress ☺️

I think the “act out” ship has already sailed, but I sure hope this whole mess can be cleaned up sometime and we can all go back to more constructive conversations around realizing Neos’ potential.

That’s the spirit 💪☀️

this is amazing story really...

reactant used to be one of the highly respected Neos user, and him treated by his "pretended to be friends" is so annoying.

https://twitter.com/Reactant20/status/1502478182133477383?t=6w0TURQLCkB5ghRw2s52-w&s=19

Frooxius and furries destroyed everything

what a shame

I disappointed with the platform

nope :)

mmm passive aggressiveness

depends on how you read it, sorry :(

neos isnt dead, but ncr is pretty dead imho.

I want Frooxius leave and everything will be ok

I did too, but i sold due to Karel's mismanagement

the team's anti crypto stance amd frooxes well-timed public announcements did more to hurt NCR than anything Karel did

anti and at best apathetic... to the very people who stuck their neck out and put their money into Neos

karel's literally the only person on the team who gives a damn about ncr holders

they just want to avoid responsibility to the ppl they hurting. They care about their friends and having a cushy life and being in their club but they certainly dont care about you

Indeed, it is useless to expect some compassion since they are mocking crypto people all the time. All they want is NCR to 0, don't be a fool. That being said we should have been cautious when investing..

Let's wait and hope for NCR not to dissapear !

kinda late to be selling NCR. I'd rather hold it and put faith in Karel. He cares about the NCR holders when the devs want them to just fuck off and die. I read their chats alot and they are just in glee over things but also have anxiety because theyre worried karel can win. And I think he can.

Why don't you DCA ?

Could be a good option to reduce average price

i dunno wat your net worth is but be careful next time

Unfortunately, they make fun of the owners of cryptocurrencies and brag about this, and if they come to Telegram, they say we are not against cryptocurrencies, what is this nonsense

"We are not against but we want its removal (NCR) !!" Well okay..

In the first place, if you are against Crypto, you should despite everything about it, not just the community but also the benefits from it. Crypto ppl are providing funds (ETH) throughout NCR but since they despite "crypto" they souldn't be bothered whith how karel used these funds, bc these funds are crypto made by crypto.

"Crypto ppl don't care about neos they don't even play the game"

Indeed that's true for the most part, so where is the issue ? They are not damaging the reputation of NEOS, nor bothering you in game, unlike some others who keep spreading hate..

We should understand that speculators are needed. At least they need to be tolerated.

If you are really neutral you should tolerate them being here (speculators)

NCR has been aroind since 2018. Its been welcomijg speculators all that time.

If they didn't want them, why were they complacent in allowing them to give them their money all this time? They had 4 years.

Maybe the issue is not related to crpyto, maybe it is just some people that only want to stick together in a small committee

and by that refusing to open themself and the game to others ?

Hey buddy, don't have illusions any more. Let ask and wait Karel get the codes and start a new neos metaverse. Previous dev team is totally untrustworthy.

i dunno why the volunteers claiming for their ownership and forcing their vision even its not theirs at all.
they dont have any rights to say they want removal of anything really...

Situation is clarified that they just tried to fire CEO cus one of them was in danger of getting fired first.

Those guys have no bottom line.

I mean I get that feeling, but its about the devs being ambitious. they want to have taken NCR holder's money, get to oust their CEO aaaaand drop crypto stigma all in one power play. They think fucking over people is acceptable because theg spend all day in a toxic discord.

Karel can succeed now if he plans for crypto version of neos, which marketing is the key....

Froox version will have more users at first, but soon it can be reversed.

Let's hope for the best but at this point the commitment by certain people in order to plummet NCR is strong

karel's version will eclipse frooxes I think

First Karel must get rid of those excrescence.

Malignant tumour of Neos Metaverse

It's obvious that now they cannot keep on saying we are neutral and not against crypto.

I think in time NCR will come back, but that depends on Karel winning

and I think he will win

We shouldn't spread the hate too, its their job to keep on hating us don't fall into the bait 👍

👌

sure

Even tho we are trying to be constructive, it's more like they argue for the sake or arguing and at the end of the day, nothing constructive came out

Endless arguing,,,

sorry I just vent sometimes

because the situation is so absurd and abusive

If we trust in karel and NCR, we should be accumulating in order to reduce average price, it's now a great opportunity to do so.

It"s also risky because of this situtation

not a bad time to buy alittle bit

but be careful

I'am deeply sad to be treated as a cancer because I want to make profit by trusting the developpement of a project.

Businesses are not made for kids indeed..

suprisingly i dont see many kids on neos. mostly adults

actually its already accumulated huge. Top 50 wallets has more than 80%.

They are just full of hatred towerds this crypto community , Is this really all necessary ?

Yep a great time to fuel the bag

Hoping that there wont be harmful statements on the road

and I checked the top50 wallet about 3days ago. and really none of the wallet have been selling, but only accumulating or DCAing

If your average price (invested amount/nb of tokens) is high, if you buy at a lower price, the average price will reduce, especially if you bought at 5

They have no bottom line.

They are a group of filthy things living in a drain.

Yeah, they are full of hatred

You cannot wish that to anybody, unless you feel bad yourself

who is that guy,and why he is so cold blood and selfish and narrow?

furry dev team/dm

We musn't engage into this hate. Show support to karel is the best we can do, we cannot debate with them, which is fine..

Really hope karel gets the code and can have his own ncr version of Neos, I have the oculus , htc mouth reader and adapters, and started playing Neos but stopped when all the drama started

It's literally not at all a stock market lol

they ruin and kill it and say the market just so,pump and dump,shitbrain

原来这些傻逼开发，真是一群应该人人喊打的兽

There are many furry groups .

Can't understand, but i dont hate HGBT include furry. But i dont know why they hate crypto...

LGBT-F

not all do (including me) i find crypto interesting. not something im diving head first into. just something fascinating as a tech nerd

the reason some may hate it is how some people are about it and how they behave, which does suck. cause some people shouldn't define all but that's how people work (so I'm pretty neutral)

现在什么情况了？K是想把这些人分离出去吗？

Fuck Furries

I believe not all furries hate crypto

but lots of furry hate crypto and want to remove NCR

and lots of them have no idea about crypto,blockchain,smartcontracts,Defi,NFT and no idea that coinbase listed on Nasdaq

he = furry

i could tell :3

yikes

look the comments

keep bringing？

ayo isnt this chat supose to be sfw

i aint trying to see a dick my man

Disgusting！

I'am sorry I didn't know telegram was about to show the picture !

its fine. just be careful mate

since the chat is sfw ❤️!

Deleted ^^

Yeah mb

Don't need everyone, just need which sound to dominate the mainstream

its fine as said ^^

As a matter of fact, do you have any info on how many people In game are against crypto in general ?

If there are any

Only 100-200 online users

It's nothing

Well so this anti crypto sentiment isn't really representative but at the same time all we hear goes against crypto

Their dead neosvr with few furries, It's nothing. We have to earge Karel start a new one.

Furries oppose Karel

They are not anti crypto, they are anti society.

This is the key point

So don't argue with them, worthless. Just ask Karel start a new neos metaverse, and use lawsuit kick them to the hell.

None

The facts are actually very clear, the team wants Karel and NCR gone. At least the gloves are finally coming off.

They are not anti crypto, they are anti society, they haress normal users. They don't have bottom line.

oh heck its a cyro

what the cyro doin?

They want them gone so bad they’re here trying to dispute things to try and tank price even more I assume in the hopes of trying to reduce Karel funds’ as much as possible

A court trial is very costly not sure the other side will be able to stomach it tbh

Indeed we need to wait for some real takes

Bros, never argue with them, never discuss crpto things with them. Just ask Karel launch lawsuit, and we start a true news metaverse from beginning.

The team wants Karel gone as they thought he was going to get rid of them so they went on the offensive

Like petty lil kids

Their standing in the company is akin to mine

Nothing

Those meaningless talk and discuss contiued servery monthes. And it is very clear, this is useless.

Reactant leave us forever

They are filthy things

Reactant leaves us with some explosive bombs 🤯

I hope Karel restart new neos from beginning, and put them to the hell.

This is a deliberate tactic to obfuscate while the real moves are being made behind closed doors. It is to save face and allow them to claim higher moral ground while they try to fuck over Karel and NCR, the private chats that Reactant posted make that clear enough.

Not worth engaging in this public fight anymore. Karel needs to drag these fuckers through court.

Don't let them act in shadows like little rats. If they want to take over the company, let them defend their actions openly in court and a jury.

Let's see how well they hold up being grilled by a lawyer in depositions

Previously i think Karel should talk with them and find some commons. But now, I think karel should not keep talking with them. Just shutdown the server, ban from steam, and launch law suit. Crypto society can donate to help Karel dev a new version.

The only acceptable compromise at this point is a hard fork.

Fuck Furries

Karel seems overwhelmed but I am sure he will take actions soon

Yes, if they reject, let them go to hell.

Karel should start new version development as soon as possible. Discuss new design and how to convert to a crypto native vr metaverse. Keep ask them give the codes, if they give the codes, things can be solved peacefully. It not, launch law suit, put them into jail. The worst thing is develop from beginning, but i think there still have chance even in this situation.

This guy prob should sell his computer and virtual reality gear also

Why, using VR doesn't consume energy 🤓😂😂

Develop a new version, $ncr can raise enough money to make a new neos metaverse. And I thinks every investor would like seperate 5% value of the treasury continue suing those bad guys, and put them into jail finally. Karel

Do the dev team knows that they destroyed NEOS' reputation ? I mean, If I were a new player I would rather use another VR app.

But I mean, isn't the point of all that ? To prevent growth and to keep it a small committee ?

they know nothing about NCR

I hope I'am wrong

I really fail to see how but I get that

They only like harassing normal users, they care nothing, otherwise won't be so few users. And neos added very few functions, during these years.

No

oh man

it is 2022

not 2000

its web3 now what r u thinking about

web3 uses energy lets go back to stone age

They even don't know what is POS

neos fells behind its competitor alot

and the team still fells good cant believe

That's the real problem.

They don't even care about the competition since they are not acting as a company

that is fine

just leave

and stay in his own space

leave it to who can really bring neos a bright future

Yeah agreed

that's the issue I guess, one has a business vision, the other wants to stick into a small committee

They know they are doomed, so they use codes hijack Karel.

You know that at the end of the day they don't mind since they are all contributors and have jobs outside of coding

that's a really tricky situation

If only we knew

no way to know the truth

There are not many opportunities for a person or a project. Now the metaverse is a very hot area, with a lot of hot money coming in every day, neos has a very big chance to stand out.

Have to go to court, and meanwhile keep developing new one.

Furriest have been pretty damaging too, at this point fork would be best

Everything has a price, and the Metaverse also needs to have economic activities. For users, creators, and systems, there is a demand for transactions. If there is a demand for transactions, there will be currency, and cryptocurrency is undoubtedly the most suitable combination.

Different road non-phase plan

I think barrier to entry is a factor.

No one was really getting paid (or were underpaid). Neos wasn't making any money. It's not like Karel was getting a 500k salary

In Second Life you click the buy L$ button and it charges your credit card on file in-world. It’s incredibly easy and intuitive to convert USD to Lindens.

The system was still more intuitive than waiting for a monthly Patreon payout.

Without crypto, it's impossible for small companies fight with giants.

Blockchain also falls more in line with their ethos of decentralization vs a proprietary currency.

Tech giants will have more sophisticated products. Don't say to me "I won't use Meta's things", majorities will.

It's obviously, vrchat have hundreds times more users than neos.

Furries argue vrchat is bad they will never go, but, it's clearly.

Without $ncr, neos is nothing but a very small program with few users.

Yes, i will never arguing $ncr with neos, because, Karel have to restart a new neos metaverse.

Never consider continue in current version of neos with current dev team. It's dead end.

Moving towards ETH global consensus blockchain is literally written into the whitepaper.

The point is we need use case for NCR, otherwise it will never bring something.
Looks like there is a will to not integrate or develop bridges for using NCR in game.

Ash, internal ledger is only used until eth moves to sharding or layer 2 is used for transactions. At least in Karel's vision for Neos

You probably already know this

Won't, neos metaverse have to be designed as crypto native, and must try to find some new creative ideas, rather than copy ideas from elsewhere.

other way around, NCR needs some platform where it's native

Redisign from the bottom, crypto native. Changing minors things in current neos is useless and won't get sucess.

I'am affraid you're right at this point..

But let's hope for a real integration

Redesign with hard permissions system and protection first

Adding these things on top of Neos seems impossible to me

Develope a new neos metaverse, ON TOP OF $ncr.

At this point the issue to me is about control and human greed, there's plenty of smoke and mirrors being used but I'd imagine it's the usual culprit behind all this. For that reason Froox might even choose to fight in court rather than fork, not seeing him making this decisions on his own though

What Neos needs is a marketplace a’la OpenSea with an open API that allows other Metaverse platforms to buy and sell standardized format content with NCR as the common denominator.

STOP talking about how to modify neos to add $ncr. It should be a vr world base on $ncr, $ncr is the base layer, then the top level vr tech.

Tech will evolving, next year maybe should use unreal 5 engine.

We have to setup the metaverse layer, then the representing tech.

Add $ncr on top of neos is totally WRONG, neos only give some tech support to strength the metaverse. Technology are evolving.

damn

$ncr live on eth mainnet now, why you will think something like reissuing? Why NFTs will inside $ncr?

$ncr is totally independent with neos.

Karel only need redesign a neos metaverse on top of $ncr. As current neos, current dev team can do anything they like, remove or keep.

It's very clear, $ncr is the base layer, apps can choose integrate it or not.

Current situation is obviously. The dev team don't want Karel hard folk codes, and build a promising new metaverse. They try to stop this.

It’s a little more complicated than that. What Frooxius has built over the past 7 years is an incredibly powerful Unity-like development engine and multi user social environment in one - on a shoestring budget. Not exactly something you just put out a job listing on monster.com for. Regardless of one’s feelings about his stance on NCR it’s definitely a labor of love and trying to replace him is like looking for a new Steve Wozniak.

No one force them keep $ncr in their version of neos. But they still reject Karel's offer. It's rediculous. The don't want Karel success, they don't want crypto society have a promising future, while they know they are doomed without crypto society's money.

They build on unity, not unity-like.

That's engine's key usage...

This. The only remaining Unity component is the rendering engine.

3D rendering is depend on unity.

Which Geenz has plans to replace.

They only code interactive things, and model storage/loading.

I know clearly, and i even try to reverse engineer neos exe.

Froox build some amazing ideas, but as i say frankly, the workload is not much.

But his role was still foundational to the point where Apple wouldn’t likely exist without his involvement in the early stages. Right now Solirax is still pre-Macintosh Apple and they need Woz.

In 7 years, neos are almost dead. If there was no crypto, neos maybe bankrupt already.

Can't compare apple with neos, neos on top of unity, the most difficult things is done by unity not neos.

Not at all true. The only heavy lifting that Unity is doing is sending draw calls to the GPU. The rest is in-house.

You will see so many vr projects are evolving.

But fewer engines.

unity and unreal 5

Not only vrchat

If vr devices matured, pack of apps will emercing.

I know that unity is temporary, The current implemention is kind of like FrooxEngine puppeting unity, it's really interesting actually.

Quest 2 sold more than 10m, and neos have only less than 200 users online.

but that's because they want to move off unity in the future

This is the real gap.

As I said previously, if karel can't raise enough money to keep dev. Competitors will put neos into hell.

Neos does have a quest version actually but it's currently more of a curiosity then anything.

I think that was part of the push to move away from Unity - better native ARM compatibility and optimization.

That's big problem

Apple will lauch a vr device next year or earlyer. And neos won't support it in those dev guys.

How will be a future?

One other thing i know is shader compilation. In neos everything is done in real time and that is somewhat limiting. If they changed rendering engines that could definitely help that, but i have no idea how that works. this is more of a geenz question if anything though

Shader stuff though is basically loaded from the cloud, compiled on another machine which is sort of interesting

from what i understand

but that's currently

Neos current functions, i think apple will do by themselves

So it's urgent to create a vr metaverse, not those tool functions.

Depends on if Apple’s new HMD uses an x86 compatibility layer like their new SoC silicon devices. They could theoretically have a native PC build running on a stand-alone headset if that is the case.

M1 Ultra in a VR headset would be fancy.

Froox's idea is genious, but a good team will copy neos within 6 monthes.

Yeah from what i know

Rendering, currently neos uses unity's mono rendering engine which is super limiting

i know they were looking at other engines though

if you check the discord there's a discussion thread on it