- 08 March 2022 (597 messages)
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Not impossible just unwanted by Karel -
Which a legal battle can possibly overturn -
well no chance Karel wants to get fired from Neos his own company
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You mean Solirax -
Solirax == Neos
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Nope -
dont want to have meaning less talk
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I mean it's ust a fact that Solirax and neos arent the same thing? -
ok...
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of course its possible that Solirax can sell Neos or somehow
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but really not worth to argue that
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That's not being argued im just saying that NEOS is not Solirax just liike Windows is not Microsoft -
yeah I know
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OK.. so what you intend to say is Karel can live without owning Neos right?
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From his own viewpoint i dont think Karel sees it that way -
of course..?..
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However i think the future would be perfectly fine even if NCR was a third party coin that Karel maintains himself with his team detached from Neos development -
not an option
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According to Karel -
Karel has said specifically that NCR will not be separate from Neos -
NCR has no value or future as a third-party coin -
You meaning what Froox suggested?
1. Karel maintains only NCR
2. NCR is 3rd party coin
This is bullshit -
Yes that is in fact his opinion -
Just because Karel doesnt want them to be seperate doesnt mean they wont be seperated -
ok...
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It all depends on how the legal battles turn out -
no one saying his opinion controls.... -
i think everyone recognizes this will turn on litigation -
Karel is 42.5% owner and if you dont suggest satisfying thing, nothing can happen
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Yes but when seperation is brought up all that is said in response is "karel doesnt want it" which, yeah, i know, but that doenst mean its not an option -
legal battle is for IP
stockholder meeting is what you must be saying -
company structure is made there
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If Solirax does not own Neos then Solirax has no say over whether NCR is in Neos or not -
I haven't seen any posts that simplify the issue like that... and I've written some fairly lengthy posts analyzing the basic legal issues at play -
so not sure what ur on about here -
even Karel hasn't made it so simple -
in fact he's acknowledged there are IP arguments for both sides and will be difficult legal battle to figure it out -
I mean you can look slightly up to the person im responding to who said "not an option" like the whole threads there for you to look at -
um.. so if Neos is collectual IP which is owned by 8 people... lets see how that will turn out in near future
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i expect popcorn within 5 years
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Yes, I saw. I think he meant that separation wasn't a realistic option. Many folks in the discord have floated that as if it were a real offer being made by Froox - and not as if it would completely fuck over Karel and NCR holders. -
Frankly, it's disingenuous and insulting -
And if they really believe their own bullshit, then... not sure what to say -
insulting suggestion really
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and they believe Neos is owned by them cus they built it....
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Solirax is a company just paying bills?
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There is a possibility of NCR ending up seperate, Yes that would be a hard battle but Karel could end up losing the ability to stop such a seperation -
Maybe the dev shouldnt get paid, they should pay "Solirax"
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that would be from stockholers meeting ok??
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the one who owns IP can do everything... this is ridiculous violence over commercial law
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No one is denying that as a possibility. But that would effectively be the end of NCR. Discord folks need to stop acting like it's some olive branch or anything remotely close to being a fair offer. -
If Rothenburg who owns 15% stands for Froox, such thing might happen.
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Which is why this is going to litigation. If that is all Froox is offering, Karel has no choice. -
I'm not saying it is.
I think you are a bit riled up and making assumptions. -
Rothenberg is defunct, shares are now held by another entity. My guess is their interests are more aligned with Karel. -
Not riled up, but perhaps unfairly projecting on you, sorry. -
I checked to the Rothenburg related guy, Fund is still there but not managed I guess..
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It's fine mate -
this is my guess too. But I really dont want Froox to get discouraged. That would be bigger disaster for Neos itself.
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I hope Froox has some compromise in his mind, quite sure the dev team doesnt.
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If Froox suggests something reasonable for Karel, guess that would be miracle :)
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Honestly even if things happen in Karels favor i think it would be more likely that this would end up causing the start of a new Project that competes with neos rather than for people to just accept this outcome -
yeah ....
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battle always leaves nothing but pain for both
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What I see nontheless that Karel did miscommunication and some others,
is that Karel is at least suggesting that both party can exist. -
But dev team is suggesting to get everything just because their "dignity" got damaged, which will lead to disaster nego.
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peace or fight until death
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It's about more than just dignty -
dignity or whatever.. if Karel is to be accused, then do it. If not that bad, always compromise is possible.
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See this highly depends.
Watered down to "peace or fight" one may think peace is the correct option however you have to consider what that peace entails.
I do believe there is battles to die for. -
I also believe theres battle to die for.
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When clearly abused, you sue that guy.
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My boss treated me like shit, I'll punish this guy whatever it costs. Well at least, its the boss who loses money not me!! shame!
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is what dev doing
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Honestly, the core issue of our society is that living is a privilege, food is a privilege and shelter is a privilege. -
or... more conspiracy.
Dev actually wants Solirax go bankrupt. Cus they think Neos IP is theirs, now noone can stop them. -
haha
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Yes, he did wrong. Everyone does mistake. He tried to hire them by US entity, but this is being denied by the dev team.
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not sure its already established, but he said he's trying for it.
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That's because full-time hiring is not possible without US entity for some reason.
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Thats why Froox going to live in US with his friends.. and Karel trying to support this.
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dont know exact reason. maybe because of the place they live differs
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the volunteers and contractors all live in czech?
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or UK?
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yeah. what Im saying
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I dunno exact reason why.. but I just assume you cant hire foreigners living in foreign country?
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ok, maybe should ask Karel why not hiring them full time now
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I thought he had plan for it
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Offer them full time employee ASAP. Even though its unlikely to happen, should make no excuse.
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you should give him advice how to hire foreigners maybe
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since Solirax is nearly bankrupt, guess it all makes sense.
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should have.. but wasnt done at right timing..
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which is so unfortunate
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it reached 130k
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now its 40k last time I checked
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Patreon is down to 37K since a lot of us are waiting for a way to support Froox and team directly -
just donate them maybe
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The thing is also that this is about more than just a pay dispute -
Karel please pay them enough if you can afford it
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Ah yeah -
Well that's normal when preparing for a legal battle -
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Karel just missed the golden time to fix all this.
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but its not too late yet, i hope...
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I can see how its annoying to sit on the sidelines and wait for the legal stuff to be done to have more explanations but it would be detrimental to divulge too much information publically.
It's why froox has only been making announcements when necesary. -
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same :(
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Froox doesnt have to talk, cus there's his team talking for him
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I thought the team behaved and tried to be as calm as possible at first
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but there was some "rumors" coming out from dev team somehow
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there was some in discord (very few though)
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and they shittalked in vr privately, which made community to talk for them.
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The teams been pretty calm in discord, we had Geenz basically talking about his own experiences yesterday. -
they were pretty calm but it was little bit unfair for Karel to just say nothing
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although Karel should have said all by announcement
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not in discord. making mess bigger..
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when Karel couldnt respond to the rumors, it was like
"evil Karel who abuses his roommate and never pays all the nev team" opinion which still is there in discord -
I dont really think it's unfair, Karel should have done the exact same thign and consulted with a legal team before making staements constanly -
he should, but what i say unfair is that there was too much "anti-Karel" making ridiculous rumors.
There wasnt any for Froox, and of course Froox didnt do something wrong. -
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But even though Karel wants to do anything to reconcile or scale up neos, all will be denied by Froox.
For instance,
1. If Karel publishes new website -> Froox announces he opposes
2. If Karel publishes staking -> Froox announces he opposes
3. If Karel wants to hire new employees -> Froox announces he opposes
Im quite sure this battle is on long journey, and dont care the volunteers striking. But There's some job for CEO who dont strike -
Karel will get blamed in all case.
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crypto had hugr drawdowns in general during that period too where Ether lost value
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yah they trusted Etherium more than their own token lmao
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He’s got a good point. Karel should really make an official statement as the CEO and tell people what’s happening. Not everyone comes here and skims through everyone of his message and people shouldn’t have to.
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Karel also has more than 16 million ncr, and more than 40% of the tokens in circulation are in his wallet.
If all the problems of the team are solved and the currency price can rise back to the past, he will be the one who benefits the most! Now the currency price is 0.3 USD, if it reaches 9 USD, it is 30 times the increase. -
Correct however that belongs to the company, not me personally. Wíl be pretty awesome. -
If you believe Karel can solve the problem, you will get a huge profit if you buy it now. Of course, if Karel doesn't solve the problem, your investment will become 0
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Life is gambling
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of course
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What's the plan of action going forward, there should be a snapshot and airdrop of people affected
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What a big gamble
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Small investors can’t afford
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If they lose, they will lose everything.
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I lost 80% of my money in this long term dispute and gamble
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Things get more and more difficult to be dealt with
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If Frooxius doesn’t agree with Karel, and postpone the coding and updates, NCR will be dying slowly
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No one will be using NCR tokens as the currency in the marketplace. It takes time. And we don’t know how long it will be
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。。。
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who tell you?
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I suggest Karel keeps the 1600 ETH. It’s real money. And perhaps sells the 42.5% share and start another metaverse project
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Are you insane?
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It’s just a suggestion. Not an insane statement
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It’s up to Karel
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Please don't say this unreliable argument
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Karel Is there any good news or progress that can be disclosed?
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Pump it : D
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Green candle to $1 ;)
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Get the FOMO going lol
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16mil ncr pretty much locked thats epic
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Half the supply
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Seems like starting to run out of sellers too, about time lol
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we should have debate about how to use 1,600 eth for Solirax
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Maybe we can start looking at setting up a DAO
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DAO how??
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Clearly the correct way forward for solirax is to invest all capital into spell tokens /s -
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hi
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Karel 👍
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Today is the day
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Of rekt sellers
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And we make fun of the discord
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That should be a huge incentive for both sides to settle this mess. Get to the pain points and offer alternatives that can be accepted by both parties. The potential is huge and thinking outside the box might be required.
Just make it work or both sides will regret this as their biggest mistake ever. -
Just figure it out, you guys have about billion reasons why to make it happen
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What’s this Twitter post
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Some guy saying they have reached agreement lol
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Is it troll?
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Yeah but no announcement for anything
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How would he know
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I don't know
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Lol there’s one person who has only been accumulating since the dump
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Now has 500k ncr
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They was a whale anyway
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Trader 689b buying back in twice as high 😅
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Let’s go to $1 all paper hands left
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it is easier to 1$
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Very easy lol
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Already up 70% in few hours
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Couldn’t resist big dip like this
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it's still the dip
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Ikr lol
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Lol price action is mainly from that one guy
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Whatever you say to yourself Sam
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Bought almost 250k Ncr from the bottom
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If you understood NCR you’d know this is much less a gamble than you think
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Your dog shitcoin has more MC than this
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I mean there’s nothing formally announced as of now
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People just way too emotional over what happened
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Understandable
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I'll probably get banned but has anyone looked into these wallets that sold huge amounts of NCR for USDC minutes before Karel pulled liquidity around $8?
Example: https://etherscan.io/address/0x8ce566d0bf9ddb37dcc136ce49823b69ee63bf0aAddress 0x8ce566d0bf9ddb37dcc136ce49823b69ee63bf0a | EtherscanThe Address 0x8ce566d0bf9ddb37dcc136ce49823b69ee63bf0a page allows users to view transactions, balances, token holdings and transfers of ERC-20, ERC-721 and ERC-1155 (NFT) tokens, and analytics.
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Lol it's up because of that guy buying. If he sells he'll lose that much in slippage -
Why would he wanna sell if he’s buying
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You guys just can’t bear to see it go up 😂
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I would rather be late than bankrupt -
I think a lot of people sold into the last liquidity wall which would mean most folks are in a profit atm
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But liq is fairly low from what I see so far
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If conflict gets resolved I'll buy at $1 again. No need to make a small amount now with higher risk -
Liquidity is extremely low
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You see price move a lot
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Yep works both ways
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Fair enough
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Any positive news for Karel regarding legal matters will likely be met with more fud / attempts by the team to nuke ncr price -
no matter what the news id just expect volatility tbh.
The devs want the code, half the money, and for karel to not be able to use any of the code they contributed. -
but , positive news is still positive news -
No one don't like money.
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They have done already
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That’s why price is here in first place
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Froox talked about 3rd party
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There was no need for it
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Hard folk is doomed
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one is neos without ncr, another is neos metaverse with ncr
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What were seeing now is diminished sell pressure coupled with a lil bit of buying
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and karel pay for froox's code with neos metaverse, it's good for both sides
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Recipe for go up
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Add some fomo onto it
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they are not crash the ncr, the dev team just don't care about ncr. It's good they got sepration.
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Karel probably doesn’t even have to pay for the code it’s likeOh the company’s property anyway
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People do have different ideas. So leave a pure neos without ncr for those don't like crypto destroy their exprience. And karel setup a new world with crypto.
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how do you think he will solve it?
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It conflict not solved. Both sides are loser.
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Well the problem is not money, is too much money. I saw things like that several times.
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Everyone think he is the key man to earn the money. And others just get lucky with him.
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yes too much money cause this situation. when they have 10k eth in treasury everyone has different ideas.
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7 years ok, 3 months not ok, when ncr reach $7
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Are the team dead
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No they survived bro dw
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Same shit stories everyday
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Ok, they shall solve the things good enough, and the marketcap of ncr previous is enough for everyone have good life.
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Everybody has heard it all by now
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No need to repeat everyday
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Good for them
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The problem is they never have so much money, and don't know how to deal things properly
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Maybe should’ve quit early if not happy
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Not cry when pride go up
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STOP talking these things.
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just wait karel make a good deal with dev team. and rebuild a new neos metaverse
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stop discuss karel, froox, any more here
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Wait karel solve the problem, and give him help.
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Maybe these dudes should have asked for contract before starting to work
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You know
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Can’t complain afterwards
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I understand goodwill but there’s also stupidity
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No need talk about it here, man
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Yeah go talk in discord man
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We don’t care tbh we already know the story
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Help karel start a ncr native metaverse bros. Stop talking the things between karel and froox and dev team. Let them deal it privately.
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I pray we see god candle past $1 that would look so epic
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Karel doesn’t need to start anything
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He’ll have the code to work from
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Go zero or 10$ above
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Karel run neos metaverse in a whole control, and pay the dev team properly. I think they are going to reach such a consensus.
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won't, froox will keep neos, and folk a version for karel enpowed by ncr.
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that is a good solution.
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yes, both are ok
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Lock remaining eth, sign a contract with dev team and pay them gradually. If they don't want eth, there is legal way tranfer eth to usd.
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Something like outsouceing contract.
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team has 160m ncr and 1600eth.
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ncr can change to usdc
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eth change to usd cash to pay them gradually
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The employees of the binance can choose to pay their salaries to use bnb token or dollars. Most of the employees who choose bnb to pay are free of wealth
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If employees believe neos has a bright future, they will not refuse to use ncr to pay wages.
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16m
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sorry
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team has 16m ncr and 1600eth.
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how dare u men -
imagine ncr up to $10 cus of Karel's management, Solirax would have $160m worth NCR
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just a dream now kk
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It can be divided into two parts: one part uses dollars as salary, and the other part uses ncr as incentive for employees.
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Karel what do you think
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Karel keep eth for them, locked and find a legal way transfer to usd for froox and dev team. Find some institutions invest also a way to get money pay them.
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Let them well paid but follow the dev plan as formal outsourcing process. Let them keep legacy neos as their playgroud and remove ncr as they like, and you can start a new metaverse.
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Name is not key, if froox insist, change a name is not a big problem.
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wait them find a way
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怎么样了 兄弟们
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国人 多不多
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ceo 能不能说几句啊
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群里就这么100多人
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给我们点信心啊
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ceo 不懂中文
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我故意说中文,让他知道东方还有力量支持他
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他可以翻译一下
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他做了这么多年ceo 如果业务 熟悉,再重新组建专业团队
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设计好代币模型
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我感觉是 有机会的
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重新 换合约
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原来的币 1:x置换
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cto 他妈的要是再资本市场,他敢这么说,早就进局子了
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他丫的 还想 走传统ipo
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是呀 早期vc 不是鸡鸡了么
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是时候引入机构了
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最好就是 新起主体
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1:x 快照
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重新 做模型,引入机构
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We shouldn't have conversations like this, it just creates more fighting.
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拉团队
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do a sepration is ok, give them respect.
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团队 就招市场的
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够了
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Respect and win-win solution is the only way solve controversy
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500 创业 完全够
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Karel can create a new tg and i think he will create a new discord
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1600 eth is enough start from begining.
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good idea
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不用几年,半年价格就拉起来
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Hard folk, pay dev team well, and let them transfer code for metaverse gradually. Karel should run a new dev team. Of course, respect froox and current dev team, and pay them well.
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加油 ,让NEOS成为第一元宇宙项目。 Come on ! Let's make NEOS great again.
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one tg or one dis isn't impotent,ceo need create new team,ceo and team have one heart!!!
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yes
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Yes , Move to a true team and project
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加油 ,让NEOS成为第一元宇宙项目。 Come on ! Let's make NEOS great again. -
Neos is a technology-based company, but it can be seen that in key decisions, the CTO is the leader, and the CTO can make decisions that affect the market at will. As long as such a team still exists, I think it is difficult for ncr to have a chance; the sushi team is like this, ceo Was pushed out by the cto. We need a new neos, he can be called new-ncr, it doesn’t matter, in short, we need a new team, re-involve the model, introduce large, crypto capital, I believe there is a chance to stand firm in this market.
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neos 算是一个技术型公司,但是看得出来关键决策上,cto 主导,且cto 可以随意做出 影响市场的决定,只要这样的团队还存在,我认为ncr 很难有机会;sushi 团队就是这样,ceo被cto 排挤走了。我们需要一个新的 neos,他可以叫new-ncr,无所谓,总之需要一个新的团队,重新涉及模型,引入大的,crypto资本,相信是有机会再这个市场站稳一方的。
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都这球样了,跑不跑有啥区别? 和karel共存亡吧😂
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这个项目的核心技术不是随便能做出来的,团队搞了八年,主要技术的掌握者是cto,如果ceo另立门户,基本就完蛋了。最好的解决方案就是和好,或者合作也不是不行。
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ALL GOODS KHOSUMI 🥰 -
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https://discordstatus.com It seems mostly fine for meDiscord StatusWelcome to Discord's home for real-time and historical data on system performance.
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Will we beat the January downtime record of 2.5 hours? Only time will tell
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Hello everyone, I am writing an article on the NCR crypto events. I am looking to confirm the timeline of events. Missing info is november pretty much. Updates stopped on nov 10th, pump got going on nov 12th so thats where I start. Can anyone confirm dates of froox moving out, wen team decided to attempt to kick karel out, and wen team decided to remove ncr official support from the game. thanks
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ah ok thanks. Lead Dev stopped work in november though, if we look there were updates every 2-3 days or every week in october, and before, then nov 10th last real update for the game up to now. also going by lead dev posts on discord. Thanks for that info, thats pretty much what I had in my tentative timeline, like early december or something
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maybe CEO can confirm dates
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got it, thanks for the help
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It's not the best solution to anyone, but should be better than battling in courts for year or more. These guys need to put their adult pants on and make a compromise so Neos can have a bright future
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There was the nex case you should look into. He wanted a increase in pay, which was denied. He started acting out and threatening the project so he was fired by Karel. It seems to have been the main cause for "Karel doesn't respect us" talking point
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Word against word, haven't seen any real proof from either side
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I wouldn't blindly trust either side at this point
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Yeah, same. Seems unlikely that Next wouldn't inform others right away
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But hopefully this mess will eventually get resolved
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Court case for something like this (at least in US) will probably take 2-3 years. 1 year for initial pleadings and document discovery, months of depositions and motions practice, and then finally trial. -
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Interesting. I am from the crypto space so I follow the blockchain, dont know all the inside stories, just trying to get the big events right. I do know from other information that I have been provided with, that some members of the team liquidated all positions around like 5-12th of december or before. I have corroborated that with rudimentary chain analysis from early investors in ncr 3 years ago and large cummulative withdrawals from the in game eth address which would indicate the reserved ncr for team being withdrawn (what they call cdft) perhaps.
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I have all that. If you want to see the buybacks, simply go to uniswap, then charts tab. neos vr usdc-ncr pool, and where you see the transactions, select add/remove liquidity. There arent many transactions, its easy to see when Karel added USDC to the pool. Seems there was only one other person providing significant liquidity other than Karel the whole time
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Thank you, so by the time legal battle would be over, Metaverse space could look totally different and Neos could be the one years behind others
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Possibly. Not technical enough myself to know the potential pace of development by competitors or how much lead Neos really has -
to be fair, neosVR did not get any ETH funds, afaik. The team did, by selling into the buybacks from what I have gathered. i have the original whitepaper from wayback machine. yes none of it was true
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You and everyone else probably if it gets solved price will be pushed much higher before I even get a chance probably by insiders
- 09 March 2022 (141 messages)
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Maybe we should allocate the left 1600 ETH to the developers to facilitate the development and get NCR recognized by the devs
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november is the time that ncr price hikes
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Karel After cto issued a statement, the ceo did not make any statement or progress.
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I assume the other wallet providing liquidity is also Solirax, the liquidity wallet
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Currently not possible however you can split it into 2 pulses or make a string such as
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For the first method you would have the first pulse write to a register and on second pulse send the rest of your data and read the writing register -
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Dyor!your money only belongs to you.So be with your heart
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No official one at least, however if you got questions about the actual game i can def answer -
I'd bet there's a lot of Metaverse projects in the works in addition to the ones already mentioned by big companies. Someone will do the open sourced crypto Metaverse right
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Unless they are an open Dynamic system enabling collaborative creation within the platform on the level of a game engine, they arent competing.
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Here a quick dirty example of how to use more than one variable with Dynamic impulses -
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Writing the second variable is not necesary but if you were to add more than 2 parameters you would need to add that write anyway -
For anyone who doesn't know what these funny cards are they are Logix, Neos's visual scripting language -
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Dunno, ive just been working on stuff in neos -
I do development work within Neos yes, not on Neos but I work on coding projects that utilize neos as an engine.
Am i part of the NEOS VR Team, No.
I am however part of the Mentor Volunteers who are there to help new users learn about the platforms basics -
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You think people didn't notice the investor interest and then the unprofessional shitshow that followed? I'd be surprised if no one is taking the opportunity to just copy Neos while welcoming crypto. Yes, it will take years, but Neos might be stuck for 3 years at worst and is actively sabotaging their future
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We'll see if any project pops up, but the message of mine you replied to was about the current times where Neos pretty much has no competition. -
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Metaverse prob won't be in mainstream use until 10 years from now, current dev team is worried most about what their small niche groups think about things they don't really understand or just hate because high GPU prices. Huge mistake in the making and it's a sad trainwreck to witness.
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Don't have the time for it lately, I'm planning to check the MMC winners eventually but mainly I'm wishing Neos to be the Metaverse I could mainly use in future.
Like you, I'd also want to build apps,projects and businesses inside the Metaverse. For that reason open sourcing and crypto is important for me -
I mean you can already do that and successfully so, the Metamovie for example is a project that has won multiple awards with its shows inside of Neos and is now Nominated for the Producers Guild Of America Innovation Awards -
@mysterious_cryptid if you write to registers you can run into race conditions. Btw, when writing, you could as well write into dynamic variables and then issue a dynamic impulse instead. Would be cleaner and then also wouldn't hide the race condition possibility -
are writes guaranteed one cycle completion?
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As long as you do this in sequence as shown you shouldnt run into any issues as long as multiple people arent doing it at once, in those cases you should use localized registers imo DynVars are not really needed here -
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First class localized registers would be very helpful. Or something like tables that could be sent through a dynamic impulse would be ideal -
Yeah Collections should enable this -
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You could most likely localize collections just as you can currently localize registers -
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/shrug, the description is "the offical neos metaverse telegram group" -
on plane so low bandwidth xp
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Is there any progress now?
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Its going to take more than a week guys lol
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Be patient like the rest of us.