Yeah, all they seem to do is hurt ncr holders. The people who are funding Neos. How ungrateful is that. Really bogles my mind.

they are gloating

Don’t wanna sound like a broken record but….no exchange would touch NCR if neos’ development is in anyway dependent on you two working together. No one would invite that kind of negative PR and potential legal challenges to themselves.

I wish it was this simple

Frooxius doesn't like you to communicate with us like this channel . So the "3rd party , no 1th place for NCR, etc" scared the market. We had to guess what really happened , what would be the worst scenario .

thats what your discord has done and what your dev team has allowed. Your devs have allowed a toxic community to fester and allowed us all to be treated like shit. This is the result

It’s actually quite complex, many arguments for the company, some for Froox. Depends on what IP specifically. But on the whole the company is in a much stronger position.

He said we don’t want NCR and “we want NCR funding for development” in the same statement. He is not even pretending to be reasonable.

Haha yeah please give me Ethereum from NCR mint and lets dump NCR

You can eat sand my man

Not going to happen

What a shitshow

yeah he was like "gimme your money ok now fuck off and enjoy your third party token, you csn wait for my next monthly statement where I try to fuck you over with a statement timed right to when positivr change happens"

Yeah

dont talk about peoples personal lives imo

but his actions say enough

Always a special guy, but got much worse over time.

I remember devs getting PISSED at the buyback. they were like "wtf stop, we want ETH we dont want NCR! NCR is for thr cryptobros to be dumped with"

😂😂

Probably cause they already dumped their tokens

and any attempt, afaik, to have the team hold NCR so their incentives align with ours was rejected

yeah that

Cryptobros can provide funds but then should fuck off. What a winning strategy.

He’s fucked. His career is over and I feel bad for him. He was a technical genius with no interest in the earthly matters, and god gave him a chance to never have to worry about money any more, while doing the one thing he loved, yet he blew it.

Yeah let’s shit on those who give their own money to fund us

Go figure man

And celebrate their loss

Seriously

We could have really built a great company together. It’s a huge shame.

I still wish you two could

Still trying to understand the logic behind that

Yeah it’s still happening, just probably not together. Would have been nicer.

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Same here also not a native speaker

Same here

The north remembers

Same here , Czech is a good place to visit .

Haha we’ll throw a party in Prague when 30 👍

💯

The captain took us through hell！

We’ll have some excellent stories to tell

Let’s get $1 again first 😂

The whole situation makes me sad, and not just because of what happened to NCR - but because Neos could have changed the world and been the David to the Goliath of Facebook's Metaverse initiatives. A decentralized open virtual world is exactly what the world needs, not monolithic walled gardens like Horizon Worlds. Crypto falls much more in line with that ethos vs a proprietary currency like the Linden dollar. It boggles my mind that people were celebrating NCR no longer being officially supported.

Only good thing is because of no good liquidity it’s actually pretty easy

It’s just the type of community we have

Weird tbh

Going to take more than a week bro, think months not weeks IMO

Agree. Once it open-source. It's a great tool to help human in education , communication very well.

The P2P architecture is awesome .

same as the logix

You’d probs have $0 as you get scammed lol

Yeah time to accumulate

Karel do you plan to make further buybacks anytime soon?

Once Frooxius announces he agree whith 1.0* whitepaper and move on . There is no need for buyback .

Would rather not say to make them more effective 😄😉

If NCR is now detached from Neos, I'm curious what the planned utility is outside of being another store of value. A while back Tangle and I discussed the possibility of an OpenSea style virtual goods marketplace that had an open API for all metaverse projects to connect into. I'm thinking Neos Credits could potentially pivot into being the currency of something like that - which would still have Neos compatibility as a 3rd party.

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Don’t think it is or will be detached but we’ll certainly do NFTs once its PoS.

Always good for company to get more cheap coins lol

Cheap as it gets really

Are there any contracts re: assignment or licensing rights as to the code itself?

We stable around 30 cents anyway

If they think ncr has no value then buybacks seem bad. If you think ncr will be valuable then cheap buybacks seem like a great idea. Depends on how bullish the person is.

Will NCR continue being the official currency of Neos with an in-world balance and such? I'm a little confused as to the terms of the current arrangement following Froox's announcement. Will it function like Linden Lab's Tilia 3rd party payment processor but still have native Neos integration?

If i was Frooxius, and i want the team get profits, Will ask them to buy $NCR, and announce will keep moving to make this project great . Instead of arguing money didnt come to developing

How simple ...

That is a sci-fi proposal of Froox that the company is certainly not taking.

Neos and Neos Credits are not separable.

Got it!

Well that's positive! :)

Karel - FYI, not sure if you are aware, but the discord is monitoring and downloading a mirror of this Telegram chat. I would be careful about ur public statements here (and elsewhere for that matter).

Yeah, but good try on his part. 😊

It doesn't matter .

I’m aware and very glad they do. At least they have some idea what is really happening.

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Good to see more peeps joining

For the mirror . 1. I really do not understand the anti-crypto people , crypto is an option to store common sense only. Just a tool. 2. Metaverse would be a place for global players to join in, Fiat was limited in many countries to transfer outside like China/Russia/Ukraine etc. 3. Crypto is not toxic , it makes NEOS unique , If NEOS run as a regular VR company , the competitors would be Meta. They have much more money and influence . 4. If you don't want NEOS just to be a small playground , you must make NEOS has unique value .

mirror mirror on the wall who's the furry of them all

Karel - another piece of unsolicited advice - I would edit the Neos website ASAP. It technically can still be construed as soliciting investment into NCR, but there is no information about the current dispute which would undoubtedly be material information for any potential investor. Opens up the entire company to some troubles if, for example, a new investor minted ICO without logging into the Discord or Telegram or checking Twitter.

+crypto isnt only for saving fees. It makes global/local commercial much much easier than paypal.
For instance, if I want to have some kind of commercial store for sales pupose in Neos, I really cant use paypal for payment method. I bet same for most of Asian countries.

I feel Karel/everyone very stressed for this situation.... hope things get better soon.
Wonder what is the key for Froox in this negotiation...

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yeah NCR being "third party" is a kiss of death to it.

dont let anyone from neos cpnvince you it will work or be good. its simple a rugpull.

like, you can call it whatever you like, but a rugpull is a rugpull

shows the childish headspace Neos team is in where they think they can "third party" you stake in something, disassociate with you and think its legal

but hey thats what happens when you hire your friends

A rug implies that someone ran away with money

also I'm sure you have noticed but I find it strange that most of the discord mods are also siding with Froox. Something smells fishy but I'm sure most of us don't know the full extent of what's going on

In fact, iirc there was a lot of exit liquidity provided by karel himself in the form of buybacks for a lot of people

People are using rugpull in the general sense as in = sudden decision or action that tanks the value of the coin to essentially zero

which applies well enough to this situation if NCR is in fact removed from Neos

yep seems like rug is quite a loose term. A lot of sudden decisions that happened in a blink of an eye

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Based on Geenz's statement in discord, this will be a long and ugly fight. Unless Czech/UK copyright law is materially different from US law (not sure what would apply here tbh), then the code work completed by much of the dev team would appear to belong to them as sole or joint authors.

Even if Karel/Solirax has claim to some other parts of the code, my understanding is that it will be almost impossible to disentangle from the work by these other devs who didn't sign contracts. Very messy.

Neos will most likely survive, and perhaps NCR as well in some form. But it seems the story for the foreseeable future will be litigation. I'll probably continue to check in periodically to see where this all ends up, but this isn't an actionable investment anymore for the time being.

Their coding work is integral to neos, and without it the software will simply be useless

even if karel wins his rights to sections of the code, it will not have the spirit of neos in it

Yes, that much is clear

No, but if Karel/Solirax owns certain rights to critical parts of the code, that puts Froox and team in the same bind.

It really is just a messy situation for everyone

david knock it off

yes. They buy ncr at this low price. Market resume confidence. Price go back. They continue working and get money from token price appreciation. Problem solved.

We don't care that someone is furry or non-furry, this is a weird divide people are creating

might as well just check things on a monthly basis, this will take a VERY long time to remediate

it's always been there though - just a change of words that's all

OG vs cryptobros....can't believe it even came to that tbh

felt like I was in elementary school

We're here to talk about the platform, leave your prejudice at the door

"are you on the blue team or red team?"

lol

It doesn't matter if someone likes crypto, only if they're toxic about it

I'm making the point that the "weird divide" you're referring has always been there for months

I think there are some hard feelings leftover from when NCR was crashing through the liq wall after Froox's last announcement, and the other telegram was getting dogpiled by discord members basically celebrating the crypto community losing money. Hopefully this divide will dissipate - Khosumi and others have been just fine in here, and I think (most) people see that.

okay can it stop, it's needless, let's grow up?

I will

I've always been advocating for that

But I'm not leaving

but a good amount of OGs/furry folks just decided to attack me

Harassing me will result in you being kicked

knock it off

All caps make you very important sweetie

I'm sure it will dissipate but it will take a very long time

my guess is over a year, maybe 2

before anything really clears up

I am being peaceful, I am not creating chaos here, stop antagonizing me. You are disturbing the peace

in all fairness, there's nothing peaceful about any of this lol

Well I'm not insulting or attacking anyone, so let's not engage in it

it doesn't need to be any worse

I'm not either, my responses are specifically reactionary

I'm never initiating

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Karel & Reactant as only owners of this group: please spend a few mins and add either Miss Rose or Shieldy. Those are free tools that can easily help and prevent bad actors (including bots spams).

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its not rug

Plenty of coders around the world who could continue the work on crypto version of Neos. Hire a team and push for open sourcing

Froox and the team with their own little community could continue work on their own version

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Well, he should show something cool for scale up soon.
If he proves to do good for Neos, noone will question him. If he doesnt prove soon enough, then unhappy results will come

I mean in the sense that money had gone to Neos devs

1. complete buy out or just 15% would make sense also

yes and NCR had existed since 2018. you saying none of that money went to devs? froox said NCR kept neos from going bankrupt 2 years ago

thats not realy running away

cant buy all, but the liquidity yes

its tossing aside the holders after not needing them anymore

well.. think ncr is now $10

then u would think its not rugpull

not good logic

no, the liquidity in cex/dex

Im not talking about price

Im talking about froox wants to remove NCR from project

removing would be kind of rugpull though, regardless of how the money used

50% also possible, but wont happen.

money can go to devs easily. as long as they go back to cooperative attitude and seek for some crypto VCs for help.

yah thats what I mean about rugpull

rather than just a straight up anonymous party dumping tokens or something, its like a meek uwu version of it that pretends to be innocent

in light of how the team is anti-crypto AFTER they collected ppl's money it is a rugpull imo

but whatever its just a slang term

you need to make sure holding the token gives you rights to Neos first. You need to make an agreement with both karel and Frooxius.

well you will end up to be ncr whale.

Any good news?

that would enrage the community as they dont want us to have any say in decisions of Neos

mei you~~

Haha 😂

i'll just get drunk and dream this party...

😂

lol

maybe we can all imagine it being real at the same time :)

how much do you think the entire platform and code is worth?

Im sorry if you lost alot on Neos

will it get better? I simply do not know

but karel cares about us

and none of the dev team gives a shit about us. Only karel

well when you get internet maybe think carefully what you wanna do

this isnt related to crypto, but stocks

I would estimate Solirax value about 100M

Im a meager guy, i dont even own my own home

i bought ncr because I liked the game

but didnt know the community would turn on me

The best option would be that someone come in to buy-in a share of tokens at a cheap price, and give that additional money to dev teams as salary, in exchange for the dev teams to sign an agreement admitting the rights of NCR for certain. Everyone takes a step back, everyone bear some lost but also resume some value, then everyone could get an exit for this deadly traffic jam.

lol well

I dunno then i guess blind investing can be like this

I really hope someone with ability could come in to mitigate the situation

what country?

looks nice

Karel is the only one we can trust unfortunately

rest of devs Ive seen liking comments on twitter where users were cheering that NCR is getting removed

dont think the devs arent in their private channels laughing at us

Karel and Frooxius must have some common friends who could help as a bridge of communication

yeah he said that

what do you think is best possible scenario then?

yes. not much person

300 furries at a given time logged on, not entire community afaik

im correcting the statement that the community is only 300 ppl

chill

Im merely saying that the game is bigger than 300, 300 is just concurrent users

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Like mentioned earlier, Neos is still in development phase. Fork would be best, the current small playerbase can continue with Froox and others can move on with crypto Neos version

really because ncr has been out since 2018 and youre saying in 4 years no one has touched the money gotten from it?

its a shitty idea because there already exists a crypto and non crypto version

and neos doesnt benefit from split development

ncr ICO has saved neos from bankruptcy. Is this true?

I prefer it to fighting in courts for years at worst case. That would only hurt Neos. Who knows, Froox might even lose in court, not sure he could move on from that

Frooxius actual words

Smells like crypto bitch in here.

I support court option honestly. I think only shortterm speculators care that court could tale years

you are posting shit

You never know when it comes to courts

then why did they make NCR?

maybe they shouldnt have made it in the first place

did karel put a gun to his head? because he went along with it

try saying "well it wasnt really my idea" in court

then thats his negligence tho really I think he says that to save face

the 60mil is a number from december, and Ethers price fell far since thst time.

crypto and NFT only recently became a hot topic for kids to groan about on twitter. they will forget it and move onto the next drama to dogpile on

honestly I think NCR holders themselves have a better shot at suing

Neos company collected money for NCR for 4 years then attempted to discard those people

since 2018 Neos company has benefitted from NCR sales

what will a court think about that, Patches?

its a nightmare for us too.

Then help them go back to negotiation. Karel might be mismanaged, but Froox's negligence contributed as well. Everyone steps back a little and finds a way out. I am fine with my lost actually. I just can't stand for such irrational result.

the thing is that the differences are personal, and Froox has 12 other devs and a community that has grown toxic all telling him he's a hero

Froox cant just make up with karel when everyone is deeply attached to their idea that Karel is the villain

I think Neos community cares more about the drama than the actual game

dont talk to him

I know. So I am trying to tell everyone who speak for Froox that they need to seek for negotiation. Not community drama.

I think the "signed" whitepaper was a mistake and he removed the signature within 24 hours. It was an edit of a previous whitepaper, and i think ppl are being oppertunistic by trying to blow it up this much but it doesnt matter what I think about it cuz im no lawyer

its true. Im sorry I just get heated

not cause money lost AT ALL

but cause the reaction

enduring months of a mostly furry community treating you like shit then getting their way

being treated like im a fucking nazi or somethkng because i dare to believe in decentral tech like blockchain

Orc, [2022/3/7 5:53 PM]
enduring months of a mostly furry community treating you like shit then getting their way. —— same here

and seeing the devs do nothing to curtail it or reign it back and have this laisse faire attitude to things letting their community get drunk off cheap drama

But I will never react like how they treat me, because I hate that kind of attitude

seeing them get all fired up arguing with ESL and pretending they just owned some bad cryptobro

They accused karel is an abuser to froox while ask froox to work with karel again. Just delusional. Time for Separation

Froox is 30yo adult men. How karel “not letting him live on his own”?

Karel is the only one who gives a damn about the holders so he became our "hero" plus he actuslly talks to us.

didnt they say the main issue is not pay? the worst part of all of this is that the dispute is shrouded in mystery

how about helping them back to communication? I bet most of rational person would all support that

There’s no one withhold the body of froox right. 30yo adult men not a baby.

regarding the whitepaper signature, froox did NOT have to add in that he wanted NCR to become third party. that was either irresponsible or tactical

you could persuade the furries like you do to crypto-holders here

this. honestly the tanking price hardly felt as bad as knowing the devs had it out for you

but it was obvious in the months leading up that they didnt like crypto or the holders

I do. what they csnt be adults? culture clash I mean come on. sny crypto ppl coming in were in thr NCR chat and it was others WILLINGLY going into the ncr channel just to find petty arguments

stop pretending things

the ncr channel was furries coming in LOOKING for arguments. thats what irks me about furries, they want to look all cute and lovable but in reality many are nasty fucking people addicted to drama and a tendency to act like highschool cliques and bullies

and patches has thr gall to say the culture clash was just oh so stressful

its more gaslighting. dont believe it

well said

this

maybe the devs are just children and cant be graceful under thr slightest of pressure

I think to imply this "culture clash" was a serious issue is grasping is all

infact most of the reasons to remove ncr proposed by the toxic community is grasping

thats what I believe Patches

Geez it’s been more than a month. This kinda talk happened time and time again, in discord, unofficial tg, and here again?

Ham's point is not lost on me. Neos is insular, small and they conduct themselves like a private club, not like a future platform and their treatment of the holders that funded them and then to not simply tell the community to chill and just accept that ncr was a thing says alot

I've encountered several person who acts as if they are "helping me understanding the whole thing". But when I talking about go back to negotiation they ignored the topic and when I cannot agree with the "Karel is evil thing" they suddenly dropped their polite mask and started personal-attack.

compared to the devs who dont give a shit about us outside our money yes he is

guess it boils down to if you believe there is a coming metaverse or not

or the beginnings of one st the very least

but point being that competition is real and many of these social vr platforms will be forgotten in coming years

what did he say to you?

quest 2 is my headset and quest version is nausiating to play

whats most sad is that so many users will only see my fallback avi

whats the $20 for?

long usbc cable?

im waiting for valve's next hmd

sadly the ncr hit might make that hard to budget 😢

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Neosvr is dying. Few users, team war, no big picture of the cto

Just a small platform for furries. Not worth investing

Mint was the investment into Neos, the NCR itself is a utility for buying space and paying for assets on Neos Store in the future

The point was, as Neos would get bigger and bigger, demand for NCR would rise and because NCR is a limited supply it would instead be more valuable over time. So by slowly trickling the NCR you minted at the beginning you'd make a huge return. That was my theory, but then the crypto pump and dump scheme happened, making NCR bubble up and then burst

Now with the two owners having conflicting visions about what Neos will be and how fast development should advance, I don't know any more if this platform will survive

But I really hope there will be a solution that makes Neos itself to still be available and be at least something that is already existing today

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Hi all , has karel replied to froox announcement?

Going into a legal battle will be devastating for them both and especially for the company.

Even tho Karel isn't in a great spot with the recent "signature" drama, Froox's situation is even worse at this point.

Regarding the recent statements :

Doing harmfull statements (publicly) can be seens as acts that comprimise the asset of the company, therefore resulting in financial losses.

It goes against the social interets of the company since it exposes the firm to abnormal risks of legal and penal sanctions towards the company and its managers.

It also damages the reputation and the any form of trust given to the company (which can be desbribed as social credit).

The social asset of the firm has been exposed to an injustified risk due to these, perhaps necessary, but, harmfull statements.

In regard of these statements these can be seen as Froox using his powers (rights to do public announcements in the name of the team and company) in a way that doesn’t serve the social interets of the company.
In this case, the only way to start a legal dispute is to lead an "Ut singuli" action which is only reserved to the company stakeholders, associates or managers.
The action must be done in the name of the company only and aims to its protection and the preservation of the company's interets.
Meaning that neither Karel nor Froox can be sued by individuals like us for the so called "mismanagement".

So please, try to handle this privatly. I know that Karel is doing his best to fix the damages but for now an agreement must be made before going outloud in public.

I'am sure you guys will find the best way to ensure a grow and sustainable developement for NEOS. The futures of both Neos and NCR look bright.

We don't need to keep on antigonizing any more.

We, as a community, need to rebuild trust and stop hating each others. Every one of use bring something to the table, we need to keep these interactions civil and TOLERATE others, this applies to everyone. Thank you ❤️

wanted to add that it was absolutely unnecessary for Froox to drop the bomb that he was proposing for NCR to be dropped and unsupported It had nothing to do with the signature issue

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I'am not a lawyer I'am unable to tell 😅

yeah the "culture clash" is just gaslighting. it's mental gymnastics

I think the issue was:

twitter had a huge nft crypto obsession where everyone was acting like these nft people were ruining video games

then crypto ppl start going into the discord and those furries see the crypto ppl theyve hated for months now and just couldnt not engage them

So karel is going to challenge froox’s statement?

mods should have acted gracefully on it but didnt and let it get vile and cryptobros were getting upset

Is it still trustworthy? Why hasn't there been any useful information disclosed in the past few days?

Karel

60m was like the wallet's balace at the highest in december or somethin

Sorry but 60m funding deserves to be wiped off, if froox is acting how he is. Imagine if froox had access to the wallets and then put his statement out saying he was sidelining ncr. LOL?

Only thing that matters is can Froox and Karel settle, this seems unlikely. So the next step is court battle. So it's just more waiting

keep in mind not just NCR fell in price but ETH did too

if ncr price is to 100$

so its not actuslly 60m wprth of ncr bought

so it became a very very long-term project.

froox is a socially awkward person, right?

If that’s the case it would be a serious problem. Karel’s response on this issue is something like “our lawyers have sorted this out and the fairly certain that the company owns most of the code”. Would be great if he could elaborate on that.

So I don't remember joining this chat. I looked and I wasn't able to find when I was added to here. Were people being invited en-masse from the unofficial Neos Credits chat?

I exported the whole chat and control-F'd the whole thing and no "Nammi joined the chat via" or "X invited Nammi"

I'm just curious who

I think I have seen you joining recently

I guess something deleted join messages here

I know you can delete "x person joined" messages so I assume that's what happened.

But yeah, I didn't intentionally join

I don't see the lesson here, except for the thing that investments aren't always successful and you can lose everything

when can we expect an agreement?

although not any news to me, as I already knew that when I invested

About 1000€ for minting and a few months of the $500 Patreon

Karel what's the next step for $ncr？

I haven't really lost yet. I bought in, when NCR was really cheap

if I'd sell now, I'd still make double of what I initially invested in the mint

you should fix your privacy settings then

Don't allow anyone to add you to new channels

btw, the NCR price is currently at that price that would have been its actual value it would have today if all this disagreement didn't happen

Common scam is when someone replicates entire TG groups (including message history) and adds everyone possible to the new channel

then posts scam links

Are we waiting for lawyers to basically split up the company and karel goes one way with ncr and the code, and froox the other way with the code

I'm afraid it'd be Karel staying in the company Solirax with Solirax being the sole owner of all the IP including the asset servers and account database and Frooxius given the option of either staying in the company as CTO or leaving with practically nothing

Why do you think that?

Because the whole code base that is in Neos is practically written by Frooxius alone and practically contributing everything to Solirax as the CTO

This is very inaccurate, there multiple contributors to the code base and just because you create something while part of the company doesn’t necessarily mean the company owns it, I own all my internal tools

I hope so. Time will tell

But I am very sure that there is no line in Frooxengine that hasn't been touched or changed by Frooxius

He green lights commits obviously that doesn’t mean he’s the sole author

The team and froox are pretty confident

You’d think they’d have sought legal council prior

I am just a speculator though

Hopefully karel had it watertight

They have stated that they are in touch with lawyers

That is not so obvious or do you have some information that I don't have yet?

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Tbh it prob would be best for both to be seperated but ncr remain first party with profits shared to the team

I think that may well end up being the case even in a court of law due to too many confounding factors at play

It’s basically dirty money to the team

if they accepted proceeds from ncr…

Man

So that automatically means you own if it you contributed it?

Own it*

Я никогда не был частью проекта. Что ты говоришь?

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It'd be stupid to accept code into Neos without a contributors agreement. That'd be a mistake by whoever accepts contributions into the code base

That’s what was done

But given that I have an idea how much of those contributions actually went into the released Neos they a neglible

Prime and others have contributed plenty

And it’s not hard to find some examples by just browsing the chng log even

Honestly I’m surprised you didn’t know this with how vocal prime is every time someone brings up the misconception that froox is the only dev

so legally that means that if there was no agreement then they own the IP to their own work regardless if it’s coded into Neos now?

he has 1600eth

how to survive without business support？

Exactly

that is another of my big worries for the project

Does neos have any great innovation or core capabilities that cannot be replaced?

Being fully dynamic rather than prebaked

R & D management is only one of the entire product lifecycle.

I don't think cto can control everything

I don't think this is the core competitiveness, because it has been carried out for seven years, but it has not been accepted by many people. But after Facebook changed its name, more people will know about it

neos may be a future product, but the premise is that it has enough money to keep it alive.

It’s a unique trait of neos not seen in other platforms and what makes neos a true engine

Frankly, its worth betting at this price.

If NCR doesnt get dettached as a 3rd party -> 20 cents super cheap

If NCR turns out to be 3rd party payment which is kind of rugpull -> it would worth.. nearly nothing or at least worth 1600ETH, which is about 10 cents.

Not a good time to buy though

Technology is only a means to realize ideas, but it does not mean that everyone can accept it. The product itself is constantly iterated according to users' demands. However, the development of neos does not see this.

How?

Technology is always to be updated

fast or slow

However, it does not attract more people, does it? Who can guarantee that neos will have 10,000 users by the end of the year? Can the technical team set relevant goals? Is there any feasible path or solution?

We don’t need that?

agree

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Я не знаю. Почему мы говорим на русском языке?

No, I'm talking about setting goals. Without goals, a group of people are playing and will never become great products. varchat has surpassed neos

10,000 users? If there are more, the expectation can be reduced, for example, two thousand active users? Can you guarantee that there will be 2,000 users by the end of this year?

Neos VR is like Second Life. The map is loaded dynamically. VRChat however is more like Sansar, map is pre-created and uploaded as a bundle.
Guess which of the two survived?

If the number of neos users is still five hundred after a year, do I think neos is really a good product? Or is it just Furries to make your own toys?

its just that good product doesnt always mean success...

Neos is great in my opinion :)

We don’t need thousands during the current dev phase

Competitive Product Analysis, Competitive Advantage, product positioning, market analysis, promotion strategy, product design, too many factors need to be considered, coding is the simplest link, because there is no need to face external interference

dont need and cannot is quite different.

What are your goals？

Just want to play?

Develop neos to the point it is ready for an influx of users instead of hemorrhaging new users turned off by clunky indev UX and experience?

How long can enthusiasm last without material basis guarantee?

Compared with a professional commercial product, it is really too simple to create a product just because of interest.

You are proposing essentially neos should mass advertise to the basic user in its current state, that would do nothing but harm neos

Being used in the education sector is also a process of business negotiation, in which the role of technicians is to improve products according to feedback needs.

well... I guess there should be VC funding not for resource but to push business... Otherwise, neos will always be tiny project

when do u think it would be ready?

Yup as well as hard permissions would be neat

Is Ncr still alive?

lesson learned. community wasnt ready for crypto but bunch of cryptobros came in...

yeah, expecting next year

Lost so much price

Let time prove everything. After all, the product may succeed or fail. But limited life will not be wasted, will it?

None

I have sold all my ncr before the big drop, and wonder if I can buy back

This is only the technical implementation of optimizing the existing system, which may be very disconnected from the market. Do you have a professional market analysis team? Or product manager?

Any good news about ncr?

That’s reckless

Pre-sale, in-sale, after-sale, procurement, marketing, legal affairs, etc.

Can cto ensure that neos can survive for next seven years? If the next decade is the meta era, how can you survive the competition?

Vrc and Neos are not direct competitors, one is an engine in of itself while the other hosts prebaked unity creations

If vrc is willing to invest in developing an engine like neos, what will happen to neos?

That would require them to literally remake their entire platform from the ground up

As their dependency on unity is massive

Do you question whether vrc is not doing it or not? Or is there a problem with the way vrc did the engine directly?

This mess is unbelievable, such a unique chance for everyone to thrive, developers, investors and owners alike. How can people so stubborn, i dont understand. There must be a commonground here

VRC has no reason to try and compete in beiß market of Being an engine and platform. Their system currently works for them, there is no incentive

If vrc has sufficient funds, can't it open a new product line? If self-developed engine is necessary

It’s a massive undertaking that would gain them nothing

why？

Because they’d need to divert notable dev power into making a whole new 3D game engine to replace unity despite their whole infrastructure depending on unity?

Literally their avatar system used unities dlc system

If the engine can bring the huge benefits you said, whether it is acquisition or self-research, it is possible?

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Why do you always compare products from the perspective of technical implementation?？

It’s possible but at their stage not really feasible, they’d essentially have to either make all current content wiped or also write systems to properly port unity assst objects into their new engine

I don’t think you understand the undertaking involved there

It would also set them back for any expansion plans if they wanted to get into psvr

And honestly I’m surprised we don’t have psvr support yet although that’s mostly a lack of Sony wanting to fund them like Facebook did probably

Moderation isn't that good in Neos either, but I guess VRC is worse

Reminder that if you have a problem (including with moderation itself) to make a ticket and we'll handle it

Reminder to actually care about when people write a ticket

We review each and every one

Except the way it works now is they simply download your avatar's vrca bundle directly from the API with all the source files

Including animators, mats, textures, animations, etc

It's honestly worse than before

ripping in VRC seems to be much easier than ripping from Neos

Especially because in Neos, you never download other people avatars from the asset servers, so you don't know the address to download their avatars. Only way the avatar is displayed is by sending the information through LNL in a way that it is already kind of distorted and hard to revert into a usable avatar

I mean, the effort is much higher that is needed to get someone else's avatar in Neos, than it is in VRC

It's less-so that and more-so that there simply is no method to export the mesh from neos in a non-destructive way

It will only get harder with steganography as well

And asset ownership

But the main goal is more-so to prevent asset re-entry into the neos ecosystem

So if someone did rip an avatar, it would be hard to put back in

That doesn't stop them from putting them into other systems that don't use the same content-id database

True, but when you rip something like an avatar the goal is usually to use it again or sell it for use within the same platform you ripped it from

The simple fact of the matter is that ripping out of the game is extremely hard to stop

Attacking the inflow is much easier

I dunno, if there's indeed a content-id system. I'd imagine that people would just rip avatars from VRC and sell them on the Neos Store. Even using the content-id system to protect their income and even preventing original asset creators to upload their own creation

I'm sure there will be mechanisms to handle fraudulently-uploaded content

Such as DMCA and the like

I would choose Neos any time when given the choice again to whether not use VRChat instead

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I doubt that as youve let Neos discord turn into a divided cesspool of bickering

but I think that's more thr dev's fault

you can still access sansar?

Err, no. We actively moderate the discord on a daily basis and allow all discussion (positive or negative) that doesn't break the guidelines. Also yes as mods we do review each and every ticket that comes in

you let the ncr channel turn into an hub for ppl to go into looking for arguments or passive aggressive sneers

tho ur right that the problems are deeper

but ive seen people getting direct insults and no one doing anything

that laisse faire attitude on modding only goes so far imo

its clear ppl who dont give a shit about ncr just use it as a hub to LOOK for fights and to incite ppl with ill formed opinions

and let ppl get treated like shit just because we believe in either ncr or decentralization

it might be sliiightly curtailed in the discord but lol masks off on other socials

you got ppl cheering for a rugpull and goadding that ppl lost money in your discord and are like "eh its not against the guidelines"

and then when ppl get upset enduring that you say "gosh look what problemz crypto brings" when its your OWN community cultivating the problems

That's pretty hilarious coming from you

youre not one to talk nor do you have abything to counter what id saying

Why yes, I've been calling for people with such bad behavior to be actioned upon yet nothing happens

ive burried the hatchet and appologized and we talked cordially since but thats not ebough apparently

Well you keep doing it...

just block me plz

im talking to @BlueCyro and you exist only to interject on me

you only exist here to screenshot things and try to subvert everyones interests yet we tolerate you and you ignore everything nice I say about you like how Ive MULTIPLE TIMES told ppl not to ban you

I've had several positive conversations here. You're choosing not to look at them.
I will continue calling out bad behavior, as this being Karel's chat he needs to be held accountable.
If I see you getting wrongly banned I would also speak up about it

But attacking people needlessly isn't necessary and only creates more drama.

That's all I want

Im speaking my mind to cyro about neos discord

I do agree the moderation could have been better, I'm not going to argue on that one

I'm part of that old issue and I'm sorry. But I'm trying to move past it

What are you doing here khosumi? You’ve openly been sarcastic to people losing money through ncr, saying you hope everyone enjoys losing money… what are you doing here

Your pathetic weird “sorry” written in telegram means absolutely nothing lmao

Not constructive

same im trying to move on and find it in me to get along with others

Also I never said I wish people to lose money you're making that up

I have it screenshot yes

Screenshotted*

Send it

Will dig out other phone

Mhm. Other phone.

Haha quick go delete it

You can search it on discord

It’s from the two days when the first announcement came out

go have a look

Too toxic of an individual to even remember your words

Gtfo

You are petty

If you really don't have anything constructive to say I will block you

it was when the discord first went mental after the first announcement, I’ve remembered it because I always thought you were a clown since then

Block me

Ok

I’ll share it later for everyone else to see