Show me 1 instance where they did

So them getting on a listing is enouhg for you to think they always wanted crypto all along?

... yes

that's.. what veer's picture shows

this one

Well if I can't convince you what's the point of arguing about it

And when the priced spiked, they are suddenly against it

Nice

you just close yourself off lol

It was already stated that froox didn't understand crypto at all, and karel didn't outline what he was doing either

so he signed on it out of good will

trusting karel's management

If you want to be a dick about it sure

You are takling about a 30 year old, with technical insight above average and an owner of a company…

Reactant

No one is saying that.

you're just taking swings

I don't understand 100% of what I sign whenever I buy/sell a house. I just do my best to understand. Don't know how much he did or didn't understand when he did.

I did not say that.

Dont argue with them

They are trolling like in discord or totalt delusional

Totally*

very constructive

It's kind of difficult not to be on my nerves when there's several people here that hates my guts simply because I do not agree with a coin

It's the only space karel will communicate

Because karel only speaks here.

Try and tell me I do not have a right to want to speak with the CEO of a game I've invested thousands of hours in

When they're in direct cause of a conflict that has the entire platform at a halt

Then they should communicate in other places as well, not just here

Communication is an issue we've been trying to solve

If you just want to close off communications even more, we're going to have a problem

Going for wild conspiracy theories don't help either en

there's tons of people that shouldn't be talking if this advice was followed

We'll you'll have to deal with me, because I want to make sure neos doesn't become something we hate

It would be best if both parties got the same copy to build off of

karel can make his crypto neos and we can continue on with what we had envisioned

Good

Not too particularly attached to the name

what harm would it do really, they wanted it to be open source from the get go.

It's eventually going to end up forking, why force it to stay together if nothing's going to progress

honestly all of this drama could be done and over with if they could accept this

all this lawsuit stuff is stupid, it's just going to end up in the same place but going the more expensive route

is it really worth throwing everything down

Because I'm not speaking for them

How?

If they both get the same thing to continue with

how does the game get a better deal if it's the same for each party

I want to know if ncr can still be saved. I have invested a lot of money. Who can tell me?

I saw that everyone said a lot, but I didn't have enough time to look around, so I want to know the current situation and results. Thank you.

I don't think it's a good thing to branch ncr.

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Ncr and its holders just let the team develop, but unexpectedly they eventually became abandoned...

I don't care what Carrell did wrong. All I know is that when ncr got a lot of money, cto stood up and issued a statement with evil intentions.

sigh.

It's the general attitude of immediately placing blame on any party without doing any research and deeming it as "evil"

That's awful

and very common

The strike began on the first repurchase in December, and a statement was issued after that.

It has made ncr plummet 30 times at the high point.

There has been long standing issues between the team and the CEO of the project

The purpose is not to hurt, but it is indeed greatly affected.

karel said clearly, that he want increase engineers, and speed up the development. i think this is the key point. current dev team look themselves as owner, karel looks them as employee, and want to enploy more to speed dev. so the dev team do things like everyone saw.

it's so clear, current dev team is against crypto, so everyone invest on ncr have to support karel. If karel failed, all your ncr will go to zero.

so i don't care what happens between them during years. my interest lies when karel can take total control and enroll more engineers. ncr holders MUST support karel.

discussing previous things is meaningless. only way is karel get the sourcecode, and continue developing a real version of neos metaverse.

at worst situation, karel have to start without previous code, and keep legal suit on current dev team.

won't be plugin, current dev team is trustless. get sourcecode or karel have to start without previous code, and keep lauch law suite.

they are trustless, if it's a plugin, no investor ,no VCs, will help karel, because they will stop support at any time by their willing.

If people wanna use the token, the value will go up. It's simple.

Neos just doesn't wanna be the one to handle crypto. And is leaving it in the very capable hands of crypto-minded people

sure it will be

Yep. That's not neos handling it though

ncr is like currency in neos vr

$solice is outsourced by other company. But current dev team is not other company, they are trustles. karel is very clear if as plugin, all inverstor will leave.

it's better start code from beginning rather than gamble everyone on these greedy guys

no matter real life or metaverse people need economics activities

Stupid behavior makes investors pay the bill and is doomed to failure. Next, let's see what will happen later.

karel must redesign neos as web3 native, it's impossible do small changes on current version

yes

Actually neos has been architected to be very capable of doing changes

As evidenced by froox pushing an emergency update to comply with steam's new TOS on crypto

Within like... a day and a half

karel know the right track to move on neosvr

so what, market will recovery and stupid people will regret

don't worry, money is key. if their ncr will hike, they won't sell, if ncr drops they will be paperhand, even if karel beg to them.

it just like people sold btc at 10$

The key to the problem is to promote the progress of the project and attract more players, create more and more exciting content and its own unique cultural and economic ecosystem, so that neos can develop sustainably

nobody hates

money,right?

neos must redesigned totally to fit the web3 trend, if progress still slow as previous years, neos have zero chance to success.

so must karel get the code and redesign everything by a new team. every holder should support karel, and give him help.

i hope he will cooperate with some professional agencies like animoca

If the neos ecosystem is sufficiently motivating and attractive, there will be more creators

+1

work and life should be balanced

things should move on no matter what happen

don't worry, THERE are many many vr apps have more users than neos. and i don't think thouse crypto negative user will help ncr, even we beg with them.

Different road non-phase plan

community can only build on common interest. those crypto negative user is useless in neos metaverse.

no

crypto is the future

karel and crypto society want to build a neos metaverse with ncr. anyone don't like it can just leave.

yes

just that simple

不是一路鬼，各走各的路

the crypto community can support the neos all the time

community build on commo interest. don't try to convince each other. and obviously, neos must hard folk and split to two communities

why try to put two groups people with different views, different visions, as a one community, and quarrelling every day and night?

oh heck its a firr

i have no opinion, current community can choose anything they like. and crypto native neos metaverse will governed by DAO

a community need common sense, how many people now is not important. if neos metaverse have attraction, THERE will be millions users in the future.

go to a wrong road because fear of lose users is rediculus

not yet, But i think things will be like that.

DAO?

sorry for my ignorance im just a dingus with a internet conncection

so many vr metaverse are in developing, users will choose at their.will. hardly say which vr metaverse will win.

i have hours

meaningless discussion, you guys can have a neos without ncr. isn't sounds great? why continuesly launch questions like that? inverstor use money to vote. they are adults, do things by their own decision.

it will

first, hard folk, then karel and crypto society will choose how to do

it is not right , neos vr dont have economic activity nor incentive now which might attract more player

solice start from blank, and it's value a ten times more than neos.

if redesigned as web3 native, thousands online users is a easy goal to reach.

FUD at least 10k users

neos vr has economic activity nor incentive the usecase of ncr is not live in neos vr

the most advanced feature of crypto is fast developing. i don't think karel and crypto society have a fantastic determined roadmap now. But fast enbrace new things is crypto.

why you stuck on something desigend now, and it was desigend by limitation of the.current neos.

things are fastly changing

6 months ago, no one talk about the word metaverse.

have to, so the previous codes only usage is reference. it's normal 1 years later, all codes are replaced by new dev team.

anything wrong?

don't forget, ncr hike 20 times not because neos, But by facebook change name to meta.

from the prosper of ecosystem where people put their time money and trust

life is a ponzi

More like an upside down funnel.

don't worry now, when tesla begins you will also question elon, how he can be success with only hundreds cars are sold.

universe is a ponzi

if you get the right trend you will success.

and don't forget, crypto society called it inverst. you invest, you got risk, it's normal.

there are many vr metaverse, neos metaverse don't have 100% chance to success. you have to accept it.

neos needs fast growth

more and more users

you believe in it, you got on the boat. why continuesly douting?

and i think most guys like me, won't put every eggs in single basket. i put half of my metaverse invest on meta, half in crypto, and neos will be 15% of my total investment in metaverse invest track.

it's early, so money raised by ncr is keypoint

原来你也是老铁，我以为老外，还有多少老铁

哈哈哈

只能熬了，成本在4左右

这项目现在有救了？

Of course !an investor from China 👻

现在应该是等着谈判，找个适合的方式分道扬镳，最好是相互赋能，你研究你的，我给你资金

You know every country has the way of economic growth

But I think Crypto is the best way to be a wealthy people

你现在还有多少仓位啊？
最近几天没抄一些吗

Huhhh😂😂😂you get the key

We hope that there will be a result of the negotiations soon. What we are most worried about is that there will be no news later.

我usdn的时候卖了。。。 前天接回来，平均成本大概0.33左右

还是你牛逼，我是1.6进来的，跌下来就没看了

2600多个，这两天没抄，没资金

艹，我4.几，最早2u铸造一部分，后面买的

我有2000个

Current situation like the dev team don't want karel have the codes and raise a new dev team.

我感觉最主要的是这个项目是目前metaverse 里面最好的一个。所以一直没卖

我这两天也准备加仓，拉下均价

I know what they afraid of. But karel must use legal weapen against it. It's company's property.

技术水平在那呢

脱离了就啥也不是了，除非ceo再找人开发技术，那就远了

拿过来代码，打个分支自己招人开发，这是唯一的方案。

技术也就那样，其实。。。

再有一周能有结果？

对啊，代码能拿得到吗

现在估计跌也没什么可跌的了

拿不到就边重新开发，边打官司，不硬气，对面怎么会服软

就怕拿不到，从0开始，又得几年

一帮傻逼开发，贡献没多少，坐地起价，要我是karel，直接全tmd滚蛋+起诉

不用，重新开发不用太久

只是没人做之前，不是技术有多好，开发是团队战斗，不是靠1个2个天才的。而且天才主要在理念和方向上起作用，不是自己写多少代码。

但愿吧，等结果

当时好好发展30u很快的

我觉得我幸运的是自己就是写代码出身的，哈哈，我的团队谁tmd给我抬杠，直接滚蛋，他的代码我自己接着写。 你看马斯克，特斯拉和spacex开了多少人，不就都和现在neos这帮傻逼开发的一样。

公司最重要的第一是愿景和方向，第二是钱，第三是老板，第四第五才是其他团队

现在属于直接锁喉了

大家投资，不是第一看公司的vision，第二看老板，然后投钱，其他东西不重要。 都可以重新来。 代码可以重新写，技术团队可以重新招。

Chinese cryptos are very active at metaverse track.

没错，现在就是时间问题

The Metaverse projects in China is not doing well

And China bans cryptocurrencies

metaverse is a vision, we can only say we are trying to find out how the metaverse will be.

But what sucks is that the government is encouraging people to use their own cryptocurrency

no one can make the real description for metaverse.

I think the real metaverse is inseparable from cryptocurrencies

Most govs in our world don't like crypto.

Lots of crypto projects write: us, china are banned.. meanwhile inverstors most come from those 2 countries...

Agree, if there is no currency in metaverse, how it can be called,, verse.,..

In my view, crypto can act as 2 roles, one is as company's stock share, invest and get profit by the growth of the project. one is as currency, used in the metaverse.

US gov seems won't ban crypto, china banned crypto mining, not crypto it self.

Of course, things you create in the metasverse can be sold via NFT to anyone who wants them.

A lot of games do that now

Is there any burning plan for NCR?

I think NFT can be an interesting marketing tool. Companies and celebrities are now marketing in the metasverse, such as Snoop Dogg hosting concerts on the Sandbox and Adidas selling shoes

I learned about NEOS through crypto

It's an unbelievably good product

Yes

Currently, NEOS lacks marketing.

A good product should be known to more people

I know a Chinese person who spontaneously made a video on Chinese social media to promote NEOS

I play the game out of VR passion

Yeah actually but i'm just mostly here lurking

right now doing 3d stuff but yeah

Probably frooxius's one personally.

I personally don't care about getting rich, I care about creating cool stuff, whether it be though art or programming o:

I see so many furries in Neos pushing to keep the userbase small, which I think goes against everything that a vibrant Metaverse should be. The beauty of virtual spaces like Second Life is the diversity of the cultures that emerge within the platform that allow everybody to participate. It makes for a richer overall experience. In the end I think these spaces should exist to improve the human condition and better our lives.

Keeping the community small and insulated is the opposite of that ethos and it's something I really personally disagree with. In order to scale, funding is important - and a decentralized capital raise a'la NCR was the perfect mechanism for that. It's unfortunate how everything played out because Neos could have changed the world in a big way and offered a viable alternative to monolithic platforms like Horizon Worlds.

I think growth is an inevitable reality of any successful social network, be it 2D or 3D.

Instead of pushing back against it, it's better to plan for it.

Lots of money pouring into deposit contracts on Beacon chain. 26 billion so far. PoS could happen this mid to late this year.

是中国人的可以直接打中文吗、

我英文不怎么懂

oof

im a neutral party. gaslighting period is yikes

gaslighting anyones not ok. no hate towards karel. havent met them to have a opinion in alj of this\\

that doesnt sound nice at all

i even know karel aint like that

If it is true (I dont think karels trying to milk froox) then that's deplorable behavior. As someone who does multitude of talents if someone was milking me id be upset

(Not saying karel did. I believe they arent mean! Since i haven't seen anything)

Stepping on people to get to your success is the saddest way up

Context?

I aint against crypto i just been existing

Uhhh that aint cool

Thats a bit... Physcotic

Threating to kill someones is a bit off the wall-

who threatened to kill someone

who gives a fuick

who tf is winston bro

Winston Churchill i assume

why pay this random guy attention and talk about death threats, kick him out and move on its been a week since he said that lol

broken record telegram

grabs the vinyl disk wait i got this

*swaps out* there

No opinion, just think it's repetitive and it's some anon telegram user you guys are focusing on there

Karel doesnt seem like a evil person. I havent met them so i cant take stanchs

I do hope they do whats best for neos.

if i was butthurt over every anonymous person online who vaguely threatened me I wouldnt have any butt left

Cause that butt was passed around like little bread crumbs

yes ill take it

Maybe. I cant say Im too Involved in cryptocurrency and Blockchains (some here some there), however the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Oh yea that document i read that already

always fount the shot at the mother a bit unessential but yea

I assume to use him?

by using his weakspot?

wouldnt working with frooxious be better?

maybe that could be the best we can do besides burning everything to the ground

Karel MUST have a copy of sourcecode, and enroll a new dev team to work on it, to create Neos Metaverse. This is the baseline. Because if karel can't control everything in the future, no one will invest, no agency will invest. And for foorx and current dev team, they can keep dev a pure version on their will. They also can take part in the neos metaverse developement and get well paid, but karel must have his own dev team and take all the control.

Currently, previous dev team want neos metaverse be a plugin or third party project, directly based on their work. It will never be accepted. Because as these days confilict, none of the crypto investor or and VCs will be ensured, if karel can't control everything. NO ONE will put the hope on those dev guys, ever.

If things like froox assumed way, the neos metaverse will have a nuclear boom in it, forever. NO ONE will accept this situation.

It's not karel's situation, it's crypto society and all the VCs position. The previous dev team have no more credit. We will NEVER trust them again. If neos metaverse still build fully on their work, it's a castle in the sky that will collapse at any time.

Discuss ncr current usage is meaningless, things are developing, we will find more use cases, and even NFTs may merged later. And may be ncr will bridge to L2 network. There are plenty imagination space.

Only add ncr martket etc. is far far away from the future vision. This is a very long venture for neos metaverse, current dev team has ZERO CAPABILITY and ZERO PERSEVERANCE to make these dreams come true.

🤝

they are in their discord arguing in favor of centralized systems and being like secondlife. AKA creatively dead

people like owning NFTs and some of the first NFT social avatars and items will be exciting, and I like to think Neos could be involved in some of the earliest cases of metaverse item interoperability proof of concept

Such things will be discussed openly, and in some case, there will be DAO votings. It's a world with fast developing and changing. Don't stuck something forever.

can you explain to a layman what you mean by GUID?

yeah, its just s pointer

I mean maybe thats a service the Neos store could provide, being a repository for people's nft items

but then its kinda centralized and defeats the purpose aside from the nft being an asset thats tradable on-chain

There will be pros and cons of any technolodge, and NFTs. Current situation is not fitfull to discuss such detailed things. Now we have to ensure karel have all the control of a new dev team. and will try their best to embrace crypto technolodge.

The problem is current dev team is untrustful. We do not trust them anymore. If they still controll the neos, no one will put any penny on neos metaverse!

I think we're too early for it to make alot of sense, but it would be exciting to support people's proof of concepts

cant tell if sarcasm...

Stop discussing such boring topic again and again. NOW, WE WANT KAREL SETUP A NEW DEV TEAM. and share the previous sourcecodes. After that, previous dev team and their fans CAN DO ANYTHING AS THEY WISH!

It's not about functions or features. So talking about ncr features, NFTs, etc. HAVE NO MEANING NOW.

at this point, if it supports NFTs it will just be to draw attention. Not against that but like, I get your point

at some point id like to see items stored onchain that link to an IPFS and see how well it works

or maybe Im stupid

I see

He is determinted to setup a new dev team. Most of the crypto society support him. And I think some agencies are support him also and willing invest money.

So stop talking anything, just hard folk, and both sides won't discuss such things endlessly !

NEVER NEED DISCUSS such boring things endlessly

its just abit too early for things like NFT items. If Karel wanted to support them it would be to make a statement and draw interest, which Im not against or anything, but i think any dev time needs to go elsewhere first

I mean I am passionate about seeing decentralized digital ownership someday

Froox and previous dev team only want karel run a third party solution, or plugin, not enroll a dev team by himeself.

and id like to see neos become a part of that (if its gonna be a seperate thing which I dont think it should)

this dispute he's mirred in

I assume

There are too many things to discuss, to try. There will be failures, and advance.

well Im open for Neos to be a testing bed for alot of these concepts

but prolly need more practicsl goals than cloudy dreams of this and that atm

When karel setup a new team, and go on. We have lots of things to discuss. But not now.

we got nothing but time until then

getting a new team built could take years maybe

No executing dev team controlled totally by karel, all the discussion and ideas, are useless. And I'm sure karel will enroll some crypto capable designers, and will provide some detailed docs for society to discuss.

devs getting really ugly in the discord atm

We are stating clearly to karel with our hope and interests. And show our support for him. And he should do the decisions by himself. So no need repeat such things again and again.

It's very very clear, that hard folk is the only way can give both sides chance. If froox and dev team reject, I think neos metaverse's future are in vain both with the current neos.

So I hope froox will accept the reality, and ask karel pay him and the team reasonable.

in the discord Geenz is saying open source wont happeb

hes flying off the handlle badgering some polite poster

what a fucking piece of shit lol

anyway I think lawsuit is the way to go

could bring better results even

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I'd say that's a mismanagement of the discord. Usually the coins have their own discords from the project itself for this very reason, moon boys will have their own place to talk about price without hurting anyones emotions

They won't even let you in to discord before you read the rules and accept them

It's a move that would be best with agreement from both sides. Just part ways if their vision is so different from each other, the two branches will cater to very different crowds so there shouldn't be a competition overlap and it seems the current dev team doesn't really care about stuff like that

Nah, but a good effort en trying to stir shit up :D

Don't worry, karel can find some crypto invest agencies, they can invest cash into company and take shares or/and ncr as return, karel can use cash to pay the engineers .

Current problem is not these minus detail features. Now karel need a new dev team which he can controll, the previous sourcecode, to ensure everybody's confidence.

When karel did have the sourcecode and new dev team, i'm very sure the $ncr price will hike above 2$. And everythings will become better.

So I hope froox can reach a agreement with karel. Of couse everyone want froox get paid well. At least 1million cash and later shares, as in my view.

Treasury still have 4m value of eth, if karel give half of it, and turn to dollar cash, it's sure froox and previous dev team can get 1.5m cash.

If they reach aggrement, karel can even sell some ncr to get some cash to pay froox and team, and enroll new team.

Buyback wallet

continue is impossible now

People do have different ideas and opinions, it's common. So don't need get aggreement for everyone in the world.

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Try to merge two groups people with different visions, different views, is a disaster. So why not two sides can develope their community seperatly. End the endless arguments, and both communities will have a bright and harmony future.

Tow seperate communities will ensure they will take total control of their part. And karel pay cash and ncr for the sourcecode, and froox shall help the new dev team familiar with the code's structure. Or even they can exchange small part of shares with each other.

Encouraging violence? Bit of a stretch

Clutching at straws here… none of this supports your very clear bias

I guess the point here is that Karel has taken care of Froox for a long time, while people say that he hasn't contributed anything. Interesting that it is seen as an attack

Also En, I'd chill out. You've been here on a mission for quite some time for now, take a breather soldier

Other furries will take over, I got you bro

It's friday, consider your health and well being here

Before the price boom, I had regular monthly board meetings with both Frooxius and Karel. Karel was also active in the NCR channel for Discord for years.

It isn't normal for the CEO of a company to hang out with everyone on a daily basis. I don't expect him to be in-game all the time.

Frooxius is definitely an exception in the gaming development world. It is not often you can just hang out with the creator of a gaming platform.

do u have NCR?

Expecting Karel to come hang out all the time is a bit odd. I don't expect it and no one should. He is the CEO.

Then why make a point of it?

He doesn't just see or talk to some "elite" crowd. He only ever got on for business stuff.

Not for casual hanging out.

so who u think can save ncr?

Like, if Epic Games ever makes their metaverse, I am not going to expect to be hanging out with Tim Sweeney.

He will have people to communicate for him.

His job is to run the company, not be a community manager.

I am not bending your words. You are bending your own, lol. He communicates WAY more than normal CEOs do and yet people think he needs to do it more.

The entire volunteer dev team was there to discuss things for him. That is the entire idea. Delegate to others to help run the company.

If you talked about this 5 months ago or prior, you'd say everything was going great. It was not until the price skyrocketed that things suddenly became an issue.

any answer,sir who can save NCR?

He did plenty of updates back then

I read all of them throughout the years

ceo has ceo's man

everyone has his job and can better do his job

just that simple

if a man can do everything he wont run a company nor need a team

Just randomly searching. In October 2020, he made 20 or so posts in the NCR channel. He was always in there discussing things.

plz stop it

Just search his username

Well, then look again, he talks way more than that. He has 84 pages in search.

dont talk to him

not on the same radio

Third party is no way, those dev team bring out nothing within 2 years. If karel don't hire a new dev team, neos metaverse will be a loser definitely.

Do hard folk, and seperate completely. This is the only way karel can choose. No one believe in dev teams any more. If karel choose third party or plugin, no one no agency will stay. Dead company, dead project.

You can read the pinned message to see what his plans are. He plans to have his own development separate from Frooxius. Until we hear otherwise, let's not speculate too much.

3rd party ncr? WOOO!

👍Yes, karel is clearly make his plan. And everyone are waiting froox to give the right choice.

That is not what this means. We need to wait for more information.

Karel state clearly, he must have his own development team separate completely from current dev team. I think most of the crypto investor and the VCs and who want neos metaverse come true, will suppot karel's decision. Let's wait karel bring good news. We never need previous dev team CONTINUE anymore, just share the code, take the money, and leave out from ncr, and they can keep dev their neos what ever they like.

Seprated team, same NEOS project . Dont misunderstand.

Won't, can't be same project. How can two team code a same project with different vision? It's impossible way.

When you login NEOS , you could find many different rooms .

Won't like that, neos metaverse will be redesigned. World are evolving, metaverse will evolving, it's won't like a dead things that don't change years and years.

Maybe it should have lands, should switch to unreal 5 in the future, who knows. But one thing is for sure, things are evolving. More genius ideas will be created.

Not sure, but hope the drama could be ended soon.

Hope froox choose a right way, and give karel and himself a chance to make a real neos metaverse.

Karel Here is a thread I have not seen pulled at yet. You had mentioned that Nex sabatoged the trailer. I specifically remember him being very excited about it. He pulled out and showed me and some friends the model dragon he planned to use for it. Why and in what way did he sabatoge the trailers?

He talked about all of this last time you asked on the 5th. Just search his username here.

He did not give insight into by what means the trailer was sabatoged. Like, did he just stop working on it. Did he delete footage? Or did Karel just misinterpreted Nex's actions. It could mean many things. My curiosity on the matter was reignited when I remembered how excited Nex seemed to be about the trailer. My new question was not answered previously.

Well, no need to keep asking about something. You talked about it here before and on the Discord before. Perhaps ask Nex what he thinks.

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its grasping. most of the shit ppl pin on Karel is after-the-fact mental bargaining

Ive seen comments like someone talking shit bout him for hours on discord then admit they never interacted with him

if youre trying to cheat a large number of people out of their money AND sack your CEO you need to build these kinds of narratives.

No. demoting NCR to a plugin or mod or whatever is not acceptable. no one "genuinely" believes thats best for NCR you just pretend you do publicly to try to sway ppl here to shoot themselves in the foot

only people who want ncr to be "third party" are the ppl who want ncr dead

also last night developer geenz said they will not go open source

he also said "we never cared about ncr"

they always wanted to remove it and are using this karel stuff as a way to try to kill 2 birds wit 1 stone

court is the only way.

atleast it's the only way for NCR holders to not be screwed

Imagine for a second, that people may actually have an honest disagreement with you and not everyone who disagrees with you is a malicious actor, It makes discussions a lot calmer and less stressful when you dont see everyone as an enemy

The plan for Neos was always to go open source eventually.

did u tune in for geenz epic rant last night? where he badgered some polite user

he went full mask-off saying none of the devs care bout ncr holders

and that open source wont happen

Well, that is a change from what was said last year.

was that in discord, orc?

You talking about this?

yes in the Karel thread

as in the thread dedicated to shitposting about Karel 24/7 while ppl being up karel sating froox doesnt go outside enough as "slavery"

Is hat what you meant orc or another post?

no I never saw that post

saw other ones where he was telling ppl to fuck off and "get it through ur head:we dont like ncr" when someone ask him if karel gave the team the NCR if they could come to an agreement or whatever

they do NOT want to negotiate

Frooxius always talked about making Neos open source in the past. Are you saying that he does not anymore?

they do NOT have the ppl here's interest at all in heart

I dunno. froox doesnt talk to us. he hasnt said a single encouraging thing to us in months.

I've noot seen any change in the open sourcing sentiment

All ive talked to froox about tho is SS13 stuff recently

youre in quite a privledged state then where you can being up an edge case where stolen code helped byond or something and use it to convince him it'll be okay to scam thousands of people

Open sourcing realisitcally tho is not that cclose id say we first need at leas the custom render engine

tho id prefer that than the hammering on about a plugin

I what? I literally just showed him what the game is and coding memes, your brain is just hard wired for conspiracy damn

i dunno read geenz statemwnts last night unless they were removed

The plugin idea came from what Frooxius said. It is not what Karel said in his latest announcement. Just wait for negotiations to finish.

No statements were removed and which statement did he make against open source?

sorry thought you mentioned yestersay that ss13 is an example of two versions of a game being successful or somwthing

latest geenz posts ono open source

I know. I jus dont want karel to give in to such a shitty suggestion

ok I see. my bad

the whole third-party plugin suggestion is either completely disingenuous or disastrously naive

It's a game i really enjoy despite the horridly old engine that just so happens to be a super active open source project with many forks which has kept it alive to this day.

I understand

I feel like most of these suggestions are trojan horses though

the goal of the team is to axe karel and wash their hands of NCR so they can go "hey everyone we dont have crypto!" and they imagine itll be this big marketing moment for them

Personally i feel like third party could genuinely work out well for NCR, but i also understand that yall disagree there and thats fine.

they want the best of both worlds while we eat shit

It would definitely not work well. If it became third party, then Neos could just make a replacement and everyone would ignore the third party option.

Yeah not only does it offer no protection but its a fucking joke solution

Why would the dev team make a replacement crypto currency?

its born from the minds of children who say shit like "ill just mod in [feature] i want"

Exactly. They wouldn't. They'd replace it with something non-crypto.

But yeah i agree it doesnt offer any protection NCR would have to compete with regular payent options on the platform

And no one would see a reason to ever use NCR because it would just be some weird third party option no one uses.

if NCR is third party it wouldnt be replaced, just both would be options

No one would use it if it was third party.

IF theres a benefit too using NCR i would

Stop pretending people would.

naw. I want it to go to court and I think that's the best solution

Why would i not use NCR to do purchases if it has a benefit to me doing so

The best bet is for Karel and Frooxius to come to an agreement so we can all move on.

How is NCR going to benefit you when your sellers only use Paypal or accept only credit card?

yeah stop pretending its nothing more than a "fuck off" solution

You won't be able to use it

I like to pose the question of if something would succeed if presented with competition. Would it evolve? How would it evolve? Would there be any compelling reason to use it if an alternative existed?

So you think that theres no creators in the crypto community? or just not enough to mawtter?

its the laziest suggeston thst gives nothing in return for NCR holders who paid money

Also if presented with another option NCR would die, then isnt that kinda the free market doing work? I dont see why it should ever be forced to use ncr

If fiat were offered as a payment method along side NCR, would people use NCR? Even if it were first party? How would NCR evolve if that were the case? Is the solution to shut out fiat entirely?

Frooxius et al. all plan to 100% rid Neos permanently of crypto. That much is clear. People entering into Neos and learning that they can buy/sell on the store using some third party option that is not liked by any of the community makes the situation obvious. People will just not use NCR.

I don’t think we said that.

Sure you have. You and the rest of the devs have been saying it for months.

that's what was originally promised.

Mm- not so much.

Also couldnt Karel make a system to exchange NCR for Fiat and send it to the payment address of a seller theoretically like for example CB can do

Like if the only way to make NCR "useable" is to force people to use it... thats kinda... i dunno

How does your argument make any sense? If the token was widely used, it is pretty obvious that a little sale would not cause a price dump.

There would be a much greater volume and much greater pool size.

None the less, it doesn’t answer my question. How would NCR evolve if faced with the need to compete with other currencies?

It never needed to compete with any other currencies. You and the others made it clear that is what you want. To destroy NCR in any way possible.

because at the same time it could be pumped by a whale? specially since a whale needs tp buy alot of itnto dump it anyway. and the point is for decentralization and to be forward thinking about that future imo

That's because currently NCR (ignoring Storage) is just a fancy way to send someone money without any controls in place for disputes. I can understand why people are more comfortable with paypal

stop with the flimsy psuedo argument about evolving or some shit. Your bullshit doesnt reslly work here and you were totally mask off last night

Why can't Karel just have his own version of Neos to develop how he wishes? If you want your cloistered environment, you can have it this way.

dont pretend you wanna compromise or care bout any of the ppl here

The community can split and everyone is happy.

Yknow you could at times try to not be hostile immediately, my dude you managed to apologize to me a few posts ago, why cant you like take a chill pill for once and stop getting rabid

Theres no reason to get heated and insulting

i respect you but i dont respect any pf the devs who sit on a privledged position to shit on us with unreasonable demands

Again- how would it evolve? During the boom in November, there were many crypto analysts who didn’t think NCR made sense because it didn’t have much utility beyond paying people on Neos. In the grand scheme, they didn’t see much value in that when you have any number of other tokens that you can use to do exactly that, and some that even are deflationary by design (on paper that is)

It’s an important question to ask when you invest in anything

this isnt a level playing field and these guys have said clearly they dont care so why give them quaarter to come here and spew their bullshit in bad faith?

“How will <x> evolve over time if I invest today”

See as i told you before you need to stop assuming everyone is starting from a hostile bad faith position.
It honestly makes you and the people others associate you with a lot worse when you act like this towards people

And for what its worth i got the same question as geenz

Am I a value investor, meaning I believe in strong company fundamentals, a steady growth trajectory, or do I basically go long on whatever today’s black tar heroin is in the market. The same principles tend to apply in crypto, with more unregulated pump and dumps though.

Honestly i fully believe that a hard fork would kill NCR

it would have needed to evolve through added utility and use ingame tbh. and those were things that merely suggesting would cause anger in the community. Voting privledges are completely off the table because theyd give 'cryptobros' some control. anything less controversial would get met with hate as well. you guys made it clear you want it to have the most basic of use cases, buying stuff off the store. I had hoped if Karel was left to do hisnown thing he could hire someone to add utility. maybe we could have had a seperate mainland for users to rent with from NCR, or avatar auctions that use it or honestly its not hard to think pf future uses... but you have to actually loke the damn token to even talk about those things and admit it, crypto is a dirty word in your circle and you get more clout saying shit like "i dont really like crypto but" than saying "maybe this feature could be cool for thr crypto"

Offering NCR as a third party plugin ultimately means it has to compete as a currency. It can have utility even! It puts it on a rather interesting evolutionary trajectory even. But this is ultimately up to Karel

Well- it wasn’t added utility that has angered the community, I’ll tell you that.

No one believes that except. you just hope you can bamboozle a few idiots into agreeing and see ncr kill itself

hoe can we build utility into NCR if its not supported in the game?

So- do you think NCR has no future without added utility then?

if I wanna tip someone I have to hope they have the same plugin? oh please. stop pretending youre not trying to sell poison here

Honestly third party NCR is the only surviving i can see for NCR.
A hard fork managed and developed by Karel i have no faith in.

And we know that the team is definitely not gonna suddenly agree to work with karel

Because in its current form, even if the marketplace were 100% NCR only- what utility does a Neos only marketplace provide beyond being a mechanism for transactions that people are already doing in other marketplaces with fiat today?

I mean theyd just need the plugin to access their wallet technically, wallets could be auto generated for every user as they currently are

opposite opinion here but ok. I think best solution is for devs to clean up their community and the problem will fix itself and eventuslly crypto wont be the hot button thing every furry hates in a short while

And this one really depends on how we implement certain APIs, and how Karel develops NCR as a coin.

then why remove it? what pain is it causing you? you just wanna wash your hands of it cause you think itll make marketing good or your own personal grudge against crypto

Theres kinda the whole interpersonal thing also btw

I don’t have a personal grudge against crypto, and marketing is nicety at best. A big reason is we simply don’t want Karel leading the core project - this much has been made clear many times, and making NCR more of an offshoot still gives him room to apply his skills to something that can be of value, even if indirectly to Neos.

This reminds me i need to buy a copium because thats an actual coin and i love that fact

neos discord is a den of constsnt drama where its peoples hobby to sit in a chat and shittalk about a specific individual all day. its bred this syndrome that the devs wanna cultivate so they can out their ceo easier. and for everyone else its a hostile environment to air legit grievrnces in.

hello geenz

So googling copium token makes google recommend you buy opium, understood

Didn’t you get banned from here

naw

the old one

I’m honestly surprised I wasn’t on sight

no, thats just the only solution you see because its the one where you dont have to compromise. Unfortunately youre prolly gonna have to compromise on atleast something and thats unacceptable to you prolly and thats why I think Karel should pursue court

it's almost as if we're not toxic, and the only issues always stems from crypto

I know what he means, that one channel about Karel NCR posts which has turned into mostly shooting the shit and some serious talk

anyone who doesnt want court prolly just wants there to be one final pump so they can get off this terrible ride

+1

but i longterm give a shit and Im hoping to see court

well our culture is able to shine in game

we're not held back by dumb conversations, we just hang out

Yeah its literally a singular channel where people talk about it and other than that we just go about our day normally

being in vr is a completely different social dynamic than text

or on flat screen

Heck ive never seen so many people i know in one place

what about in your plushy making world

if a topic as mild as that makes you turn toxic then I think thats just a scapegoat. shouls leave your toxic drama slurping to twitter. plenty of other furs there to engage that dog piling onto topics with

Geenz, we already had this discussion in the other Telegram chat where I tried to explain that the only real value to NCR is if it it receives support from the team by creating incentives for its use within the platform.

How well would it work out if I tried to start a "third-party" alternate dollar for use in the USA without any backing or support from the govt? Technically possible (assuming there weren't laws against it)? Yes. Does it make any sense or would it retain any value? No.

I mean- an option is for Karel to step down, but I’m not sure I see that one happening. But ask yourself this: if that happened, and we introduced fiat transactions in some form, how do you think NCR would compete? Like this is some serious whatif-ism, but it’s important to consider either way

you see it as a scapegoat, we just really don't like it

yea but i mean on telegram lmao

Most of us have always had the understanding that NCR would exist alongside fiat alternatives. The value comes from the incentives and advantages for NCR usage that necessarily MUST come from the team itself. A third party cannot force that on the platform.