Seems like Froox got a lot people in his ear

I think they both do

I play the game with my son and I’m a crypto guy and the business guy so I love the whole project as a whole I think it’s a really cool thing. It’s way closer to a meta-verse than anything else of the market right now in all honesty.

From the outside I just think the only thing it was lacking was clear experienced leadership.

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I agree the videos I saw got me into this project it looked like a clear winter miles ahead of the competition

That’s what makes this situation so frustrating

I think the main company behind neos has already hired the law team to fix it. Mediation will be the first thing lawyers wanna do. But I expect that f**y will not compromise anything. So next step will be the lawsuit.

From Froox words seems they been at this stage for a while now with no progress

Yeah they look like they’ve been out a bit of a stalemate for quite some time but let’s be honest and start ups this is normal when there’s multiple founders. Only time will tell if they can work it out. And it’s only going to get worked out if they both see it and love the value of the platform itself. If they both truly care about this whole platform and everything we will see a resolution quickly if even one of them doesn’t we will all loose.

Mediation should always come before legal options. If mediation can work you save a lot of money a lot of heartache a lot of time and you maintain as much value as possible in the company.

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Andrea I think you guys should learn from froox and respond in articles, not sentences, which can be taken out of context or misunderstood. Like today many ppl were convinced that Karel condones life threats made against froox. This is time for crisis PR management .

So help me with corporate structure. Solarix is the company that owns NEOS?

I'm concerned

We all are friend!

There's Solirax s.r.o. and Solirax LTD

also a Solirax Education something

What? Is it Solarix or Solirax?

Solirax

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09279564

That one?

If I am not mistaken, the LTD is a holding. Neos itself seems to be owned by Solirax as Karel claims, but others say that Neos is owned by Frooxius

And the VC that put money in. Who are they?

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Hello ken

Is the VC “Rothenberg Ventures seed capital”

what? Sorry, I don't know about that

Is says on the bottom of the NEOS page.

And the head of that was arrested in June 2020 on fraud charges it looks like?

Yes

“In June 2020, Mike Rothenberg was arrested and charged with 23 federal felony fraud charges, facing decades in prison if convicted”

Oh nice

Wonder what he did

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothenberg_Ventures

Read that

Interesting

We’ll they were invested in 100 companies

Yeah spacex included hahah

Weird lol

So yeah don’t know how that would work

If it matters

So if the person here is right and the VC has 15% .. is it of Solirax? And if so who controls that vote right now?

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Yes of solirax

All I know is Karel and Froox each own 42%

So that means the deciding vote on things is with a company on trial for fraud. …..

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Yeah not sure the implications of that

I was hoping I could give the VC firm a call and just ask them what was happening and offered to help. But I don’t know if they’re even involved in this problem right now given their own troubles.

Yeah would’ve been a good idea

Vc stands with karel

voting power is on karel. So no worries

Proof?

How do you know that?

Karel said it on day but maybe he doesn’t wanna emphasized it.

I hate that I have to keep track of 2 different telegram groups and like a dozen discord threads to keep up with this situation. Lol

Agreed.

I would not be surprised given Froox lack of interest in the financial matters

Prior to this blowing up Ofcourse

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Unfortunate I can really believe just hearsay at this point. We need real answers backed up by documents. And the VC could change their mind at anytime. I’ll see did I can find anything out on the VC

Yea but I don’t any reasonable VCs could stand with any team that trash talking them.

Who is trash taking the VC’s

Karel has a strong case

For what? And how do you know for sure?

for proving that Froox has conspired to out him with foul play, and also that theyve tried to fraud investors after collecting money since 2018

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Yep, Karel has defrauded investors, since the money raised for NeosVR funding went to currency buybacks

Karel sounds more and more like good guy

He spent so much on buybacks for investors

Put a buy wall

Seems Froox trying to undermine it all

Time will tell

he believes in ncr? based!

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devs want to take the usdc and ether and run, but karel was like "nope, NCR is here to stay"

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Karel Hi karel, could you give us a short brief about what could we expect next? Or if you need sometime to sort things out, then give us a date for everyone to come back to have an update later.

currently, people are getting so emotional on both sides. All the talkings are going nowhere. This is very damaging for everyone.

you keep flooding every channel without any information new or helpful. Can you stop repeating yourself

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everybody here have seen the whitepaper

oh... i woke up now... wow.......

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so, new website is to be next week right??

when new website comes out, there will be response from Froox again saying
"told you not to do anything CEO! Since you did something without my consent, no place for you in Neos hah"

another fight shit coming next week... oh man..

A dream that is not ridiculed is not worth achieving

great news anyway, thanks always Karel.

LOL. this 100%. He'll make his big long post and furries will be out there begging for drama.

then Karel will say
"sent you to riview it but never gives feedback what you dont agree with, driving me crazy. There's things to be done not like irresponsible position as you are not accepted in business bro"

then no response from Froox until next whitepaper.
same pattern

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Karel is forced to be a miscommunicating leader by his team/public which is kind of gaslight I see.

Not a perfect person, but responsible for his job at least.

agree

what I see frooxius and his supporters doing is classic bully. Disagreement shouldn’t be done this way.

You have issues

There's also the issue of people minting artwork without the author's consent

What a narrow minded perspective

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is being toxic all day all you can do?

Oh I will

Can we just have this chat be about what is happening and keep it professional. Not making off side comments about one group or they other please.

agree

you have serious issues

let’s agree on some rules: no bad words please

What I find interesting is orc suddenly taking an interest in talking trash about me after I had said nothing for quite a long time

im just having fun I actually like you

I could not have heard a more blatant lie than this

i mean it

Stop it.

ill prove it to ya someday

mhm. Now stop

fine sorry

Nope. I’m holding till we see them figure this out.

It is not okay to be anti furry here. That is just going to fuel more fights. Please don't do it.

Im sorry

im holding, but if I see the possibility of figuring out. 30cents is super nice price tp buy.

Let’s just be pro them figuring it out and not anti anything. :)

i just saw him posting my words on discord and wanted to give him something to post

I am calling out anyone who is being out of line

not just you

If you are freely bashing on people for no other particular reason than out of spite, it will be posted

And if I see anyone do it, I will warn then ban.

If NCR has no utility it is worthless. Right now NEOS is it’s only place for utility. We need NEOS and NCR for a win.

Karel https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r3hTwsvJV_A?&ab_channel=DevinCaherlyShorts

it's same problem bitcoin have. How can it be used if its not stable.

they want to rugpull. we need to place our hopes in Karel because hes the only one giving a shit about is.

yeah. no option for us but to support Karel

I play also. And there is a whole community that is ok with NCR and would be ok with it staying.

very childish. If you want to say somebody lying, you should speak useful facts.

i play too but currently more vrchat

I would but out of respect for my team im going to contain myself, unlike Karel

Also Karels handling of public communication brought this on himself.

i think karel is under a microscope

but dont pretend anyone other than him from yhr start gave a shit about ncr holders

That’s the job of a CEO. I’ve been there !!

I don’t know if that’s true.

from teh start they wanted to remove NCR, its obvious

they wanns make the kids on discord happy

you choose silence. Others talking is their rights. that video is nonsense.

Tbh i loved NCR and supported it for years just saying

you think any of those devs give a shit about your financial wellbeing?

your hopes, dreams? your family? the are calling for a rugpull

I agree. Communications have been very bad

trust those asshole furries for a moment and theyll be dancing crabs on your ass the first chance they get

orc

chill

dont be stupid and trust them

please stop this. Anger carries nowhere

Orc, like seriously man.

im fine Im good but ive been following the devs and Ive seen their words

Yeah non productive communication if all you are going to do is spread lies and hate, relax and drink some tea

Please stop bashing a group of people it’s not helpful

Like, I know you are pissed, but I can't let people fight in here.

angers without any productive is useless.. be calm please :(

not all furriesjust... i only meant the ones on discord

oh my fucking god dude

thanks. *sip*

you can't help yourself

sorry

im sorry fer being an ass to u khosumi, just been a rough day

It’s not about blaming anyone. the most important thing for everyone is to get things resolved. everybody could move on. Life is short man. Wasting time on endless fight is the biggest loss. If the team cannot form a constructive communication, you could ask for external help. Ask for someone you both have respect to get involved as moderator. Or you could trust some representatives from the community as we do put real money in.

It's been rough for everyone man, but come on, stop insulting people and harassing people. You're literally just negative all the time

So you don't know much about cryptocurrencies, hex, ada what's out there?

friend, ppl here including me got royally fucked and please atleast be honest and admit you are a bit glad about it

you hate crypto do you not? you want ncr gone, right?

Do you honestly believe I hate *you* as a person

so like, least realize some of us having a wprse day than others

I feel like this battle is far past NCR. It’s about leadership and communication.

you dont know me so

you cant really

exactly, I don't, how could I hate your guts? I don't, sure it sucks that you lost money but what do you want me to do about it? Cover your loss? Hell no

gosh how did you know

if you could thatd be super

or do me better and just leave me alone

Well then stop saying I fuck animals

dont pretend youre herr for anything more than to farm drama

Nope

I'm here for information purpose and trying to have a dialog based on evidence with karel

I hadn't posted anything in a while before you started talking trash about me

i posted because I knew youd post it in ur chat

Well no shit, what you're saying is depraved and horrible

I'm not entirely sure why you're still in this chat with your attitude

not sure why we're tolerated ppl in here just looking to snitch childish drama

Can both of you just chill or take this to DMs?

I'm dropping this here. I've said my mind

Didn’t you kinda start this drama with your posts? Just stop posting things that aren’t relevant to the discussion.

please respect your word and actually go through with removing bad behavior

u want me to remove my posts?

fine i will

tho i doubt youd do the same for me

stop antagonizing

Good night.

get some good rest man. It will help to release your tension.

NeosVR is with NCR. If NCR is doomed, so does NeosVR. Hope Frooxius and the team understand this.

I don’t really agree. NCR gets its value from Utility in NEOS. And NEOS can just change it’s payment methods to survive. So even if NCR goes away NEOS can live on.

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NEOS has a launcher you can download outside of steam.

It’s what I use.

Karel spent millions of millions of dollars on buybacks. He won’t the third party token happen and owns 42.5% share

If Frooxius insists on letting NCR become a third party token, then it’s war with Karel.

Yeah but where did he get the money to spend on that from the initial sale of all the NCR stuff to begin with so really that isn’t a good thing that Carl was able to do that he already had the money to do that from the ICO

And war not only destroys NCR, but also NeosVR

Hope the team and Frooxius understand the risks

We’ll see what’s going to happen. Team and Frooxius shouldn’t underestimate Karel’s determination of defending NCR

No. karel wants the community to share the wealth. Right now it looks like the cost of education is a bit high. It makes sense that successful cryptocurrency projects would need the backing of the ethereum community. Historically innovation has been driven by the wealthy. karel could well seek the support of the wealthy in the ethereum community

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So dev team do benefited from the fund raised? this is an important fact to be shown to the public. Based on this, Frooxius cannot simply discard ncr as if they never had a touch as what he stated in his announcement.

Karel do you consider to seek for help from some publicity professionals? Words going around NCR on social media currently is disaster.

Buy back is no use to hold the price when people are losing faith because of rumors and conflicting announcements

My understanding is at least some of the team had existing CFDT and NCR - so they at least indirectly benefited from the spike in price and ICO, assuming they sold at those higher prices.

The least charitable view of the situation (for which there isn't actual any evidence of yet) would be that those team members sold their holdings with fore-knowledge that Froox and team intended to remove Karel and NCR in advance of publicly disclosing this information.

I believe you need the help of some professional publicity at this time mostly!

someone in the group assured me that Frooxius never had NCR nor sold it. the current small amount of ncr in his wallet are gifts from fans. If it is true, then it's a very weird situation. But if the funds from ICO goes to the company and the company use that fund to pay salaries to devs, then it's benefiting no-doubt.

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You should stop your abusive nature on here. You have been nasty all day. Smarten up and behave properly.

If you can’t keep this thread professional you should be kicked.

Karel wanted neos to thrive along with NCR, you guys never gave it a chance.

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Disgusting celebrating other peoples losses.

Can you please get out of here? ncr has nothing to do with the team?

I really hope Karel doesnt give up! I know its hard to be pressured from all angles, but he will succeed and so will NCR.

It was private chat?

Yes. We are all scum. We invest in innovative technology and be risk takers. thank you I will never invest in idealists again

Has there been any death threats on this channel?

I know i been lurking for months on discord

There is ALOT of toxicity towards crypto friendly people

Like an echochamber

lmaoo these guys act like the biggest bitches bro

straight pathetic softies

its ok, people lose humanity when they're behind a screen

specially furries who dont even want to be human

irl they wouldnt mock they are quiet

Soon life will hit them

I really wish karel would stop having any ideals. Learn from the conservatives. Get rich people to invest and make a cryptocurrency that is successful in a secular sense so the community can get rich. Just like we do at shib.

yes they have to overvoice us by sending 15 reply guys wherever we talk

frooxius defence squad

One person want both neos and ncr to thrive, the other person only wants neos and little circle of furrys to thrive. Easy pick

dogpile gang

cool story never heard that one before

yall ever contribute something new?

or just same argument 24/7

all week

Don't worry about us. ncr will be fine even if it develops independently, the future is not just vr, and the vr cycle is too long, maybe it takes decades

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So basically end of neos cr on cypto side?

If this is correct there is a possible midleground. They have been together for 8 years, Why stop it now, just when ncr price surged??

The best possible outcome for both furrys and cryptobros is letting them work this out like adults. Then implement ncr and let everyone thrive. How difficult can it be

I don’t understand

Negotiations are done, Froox has given ultimatum which Karel can't agree to. This is heading to litigation.

I don't think they'll ever work this out.i was expecting neos to be the best in the crypto market...they just messed it.

This depends on whether contracts exist and what they say. But yes, default rule at least in USA is that code belongs to author.

Our money isn’t worth shit because of froox statements

End of ncr...unbelievable

mfs think they're saving the metaverse

No matter where NCR goes the best part is that NEOS will continue to improve and grow and after all that's the reason we invested into it to make it improve not to make profit

So he can't communicate privately?

They won't ever admit it but they just want to preserve their niche community. They don't want outsiders to define the direction of Neos, hence why they are kicking Karel and hate the influx of crypto bros.

Froox is kinda forced to make a public statement when karel kept making his own statements conostantly that were untrue

Not to make profit😂 who invest in a business not to make profits? Warren Buffet?...is it charity organisation?

He is pressured from everywhere. people want him to communicate what is going on one side, and froox/furrys sabotaging on another side

most of us have been bearing this bullshit insults for months now trying to bridge the gap between crypto and furries but some of you guys are laughing in people's faces like some soulless c*nts. We will respond in the end if you keep poking

are u surprised

because of 2-3 "WEN MOON" people you guys hate all of us

Yes I invested into Neos without expecting any profit, its because i belive in the project and how beneficial it is to the VR and Metaverse space, since there is no comparable project that is fully dynamic as it is and does not gatekeep creation

disgusting

It all was good until the price exploded, wonder why. Suddenly ncr became relevant?? Hmm

So can you leave now? I'm angry and I need this place to heal

It's not all Kamel fault

are you

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Karel has been a terrible communicator and PR management, but at least he is communicating. Then his statements are picked apart and given the least charitable, most malicious interpretation possible by the community. Eg, him saying he fed Froox = abuse and indentured servitude. Yall act like a rabid mob and then insist the crypto community must act civil and respectful. Give me a break.

ding ding ding

Can I take the liberty of asking how much money you have invested? It's cryptocurrency, and the investor you ousted like leifeng, he had $300 million.

Personally i dont mind if "cryptobros" are in neos or not, if we are all civil with eachother we can coexist with no issues and build amazing content within neos together

Youre rich person I guess. So people that invested in Facebook at the earliest time were not expecting profit? Yes very good project, the best metaverse I've seen so far. The fundamental is to believe in a project b4 investing.

like yeah I respect this but the vast majority dont think like you and would prefer we never stepped foot in the Neos community

so much for inclusive and progressive

I didn't like Karlels public statements or him releasing the new whitepaper. But the discord fucking crucifies him for every little thing. No respect or even attempt at understanding given. Don't expect much in return. Let us have this chat and leave us in peace.

💯💯💯

I'm not saying theres anything wrong with you just being in it for profit, nor being in it for both profit and the pplatform. It's just that the main focus for me at least iis that Neos development continues because this project ending would be a massive shame. My main goal is for neos to succeed, it's why i teach people to use the platform and create content for it

Also this two sides thing is a very human reaction, its in our nature to other people especially when we feel that the other is somehow endangering us or infringing on us. It's important to remain calm and civil on both sides because spite, hatred and insults will get us nowhere positive

I'm was not in it just for the profit. I massively believe in the project and want it to succeed but it looks like they turned back just before they reach the end of the tunnel.

endangering 😆 How sensitive and sheltered are these people who think we were endangering them

all cryptobros were getting ready to gear up VR headsets n shit

Lol to be fair I've seen a handful... also Winston's comments today were reprehensible

but them red candles

The problem is that the cto did not choose to communicate privately. He also didn't have someone dedicated to public relations

Which is due to internal issues with how Karel is handling things, which was attempted to be internally resolved but as we have all seen failed. I'm somewhat relived it came to this at this stage rather than further down the line

True. I hope they continue to develop and maybe get a new ceo

He did initially, it was after constant public statements by the CEO that he broke the private handling finally since incorrect things were being stated and he did not want himself or his team to be thought of supporting such

Please, there was no good faith attempt at resolution or coming to a compromise both sides could live with. Frooxs latest announcement made ie pretty clear they've wanted Karel and NCR gone the entire time.

It's not that its not understandable, we all have times when we are agry osr mad, and rightfully so, but we have to direct this anger in a productive way not destructive

Karel and NCR have been around for years. They suddenly have objections now that NCR finds some success and Karel now has some leverage to make demands on development and roadmap? Anyone with eyes can see what happened here.

The team has made its position clear. You know a lot of people are value investors before they invest in ncr. They will be laughed at by their cryptocurrency friends, believing in something neos, dreams

Well Karel trying to meddle in development direction is an overreach in position so understandable why this would not be take kindly.
It's also a bad management pracitice

Overreach like... wanting a marketplace and LIC transactions that have been promised for years and discussed in advance? Lol

Again, it's Frooxs way or the highway. No compromise. Which is how these negotiations and work strike have gone

The marketplace is on the roadmap, the marketplace being built is not an issue

Can you get out of here?

It’s been on the roadmap for 7 years or so

Yeah that amount seems about right, there just gotta be a bunch of things in plpace first like conent ID and proper permission systems, more robust protections, neos isnt ready for a market currently in my opinion at least

There is more important things needing to be currently done such as the UX rework

Lack of excuses is not the problem for sure, UX has been on the table for years as well. Me wanting to hire a UX proffesional was fought so hard.

Also about this being a sudden shift in the discord, not really, a lot of the community was disconntent with crypto for a long while it's just been more vocal in recent times because the Crypto was more present than ever, when we were at 0.08 cents and below it was easy for some to just ignore the "funny money" but as it was pumped and more crypto space originating people joined it became impossible for people to avoid, thats why it seems to spike

Because they want 100 percent control. As of why - my guess is they want to keep Neos a niche furry community.

It’s the largest community right now I would say.

This is exactly what happened with the team. While NCR was small and cheap, they could ignore it and Karel. Now they can ignore no longer....so they are trying to remove both.

I doubt it's about staying a niche furry community, and moore about retaining creative control, which as a creator i can respect. We have plenty of non furry community members, but yes besides the JP and furry community, the other western communities are definitely smaller

Under the guise of "interpersonal differences" that still no one has explained

Oh god no we definitely want change, if we stagnate with the current product that would be a horrible outcome

I'm not worried about neos growing, however growing too fast may be an issue if moderation does not scale accordingly, witht he current lack of permisison systems to secure yourself against malicious actors it could very easily become a toxic landmine field really fast. As someone who originally did Avatar and world work in VRC and knows how toxic some communities there are, Moderation not being able to keep up is a heavy conocern should it have a sudden unexpected boom. But i do have confidence in the moderation team

For 8 years, no problem. Suddenly froox et al. starts sabotaging, while Karel is being pressured from all angels. Hitting him from all angles. Don’t give up Karel.

Feels very much like it. However companies need to grow in order to survive and we always discussed big visions for Neos, that we will try to make it into a major metaverse a lot of people will use. Very dishartening to see ncr that has saved the company and can provide huge amounts of funding for development attacked.

Ive never heard anyone say such and persoonally im all for anyone, We got plenty of "mainstream" people we hang out with every day. it could actually be very positive also for perception of our community

I don’t think that you should be spouting off about there being a furry community or not. It’s irrelevant. Do your job as CEO and save the platform for all users.

This thread is no healthier than any others. I came here hoping for a real chat about what’s happening and this just seems to be more one sided propaganda.

Theres no reason for NCR to go away, it remains.

I mean beyond those that are radically against "cryptobros" I've never seen anyone rallying against any of our other non furry community members, the JP community as an example is heavily liked by most of us and so are a lot of the "Anime Avatar" people, Im not sure what to umbrella term them under so that will have to do as an identifier.

Hia Adroit

It's less about in-game and more about creative control and influence on trajectory of Neos. They can't seem to bear letting anyone else in. And the discord has been pretty toxic and anti-crypto - not sure how you could miss that if you've been paying attention.

Well yeah there's more "Normal" communinties than just "Crypto" what im saying is that the discord isnt hostile to everyone "Mainstream" and its not even just the furry subcommunity in neos that has people that have an issue with crypto plenty of our "Normal" users have issues with it as well, things arent as simple as "Crypto Vs furry" Crypto is in our current times a very heated divided issue

The point is that it seems that the dev team is not too interested in making Neos less niche by hiring proffesionals that can help fix some of the issues blocking further growth. The amount of users we have is tiny for a metaverse. And that’s okfor a while, but things have to keep moving forward. One of the things we fought hard internally in the last three months was a clear development timeline.

That's kinda a strange assumption, those who have an ssue with crypto would probably just go back to playing the game and not talking about crypto in neos channels, maybe rant on twitter about it, but i dout theyd perpetually witchhunt

Wake up, what era are you living in? The era when the Super Bowl is filled with cryptocurrency commercials? The era when North American 20-somethings have some fortune changing fortunes because of cryptocurrencies?

That doesnt mean that crypto in the larger social space isn't still a very charged topic, anywhere you look at crypto you see both hordes of people praising it and hordes ralying against it for one reason or the other, some companies have adopted crypto some have publically stated their rejection

we're so early 😂

No thats been going on for years. However we having more funding made it worse because now when we can easily afford to hire those proffesionals the arguments got more heated. Back then I was at least happy to save money and thought we will just hire them later when we can afgord it.

Personally however Neos goes forwards be it NCR first, third or unlikely "no" party, my main goal is to see NEOS succeed grow and improve and i have faith in this

I give it one year. Crypto will be regulated everywhere, and countries will start to roll out cbdc. It will undeniably be a normal part of our everyday life, like it or not.

You're not professional at all, can you get out of here and read some books? Do you need me to recommend a few good books to you?

No

You are strangely hostile, I don't see exactly what about my observation that crypto is heavily debated about you disagree with but if you have any statistics that disagree with this im more than happy to look at them, im just going off of my own perception of public discourse in the wider world so if you have any statistics or such that would be useful

Yeah the main things ive heard against it are mainly Environment and then followed by people talking about rugs and such and inevitably NFTs are mentioned which then unpacks its own list of what people dont like + the already mentioned environmental impact

discord's main gripe: "you left a signature on the white paper!!"
NCR holder's main grip:"Um you took our money and want to financially ruin us"

which is more legit grievence?

The weirdest take tho ive seen is an anti crypto person who is for the envronment but against nuclear, which is a wild stance

I’d say it would be still worth it to have a UX professional on the team much sooner even if it would shorten our runway somewhat as that is an very important part of a metaverse. But I could see playing the long game saving money instead to improve odds of survival if my co-founder is against. Now we have the funding and should hire proffesionals. Not just friends.

Yup, the servers i host are all run purely on CO2 neutral and nuclear power as well as provide some power to Folding@Home

If the environmental impact was the main issue, a compromise would be for ncr to migrate to an enviromentalfriendly blockchain.

We have done a lot to make the way we use crypto more friendly. Internal ledger, no PoS NFTs, no mining, using a blockchain that is being transitioned to PoS. Don’t get why it’s getting all the hate. We have to get funded somehow. Nobody seems to understand that aspect.

One thing that got a lot of positive reception at least was the NCR-OPTOUT feature to not mint from patreon for those that do not wish to receive it

I mean from a literal standpoint there would be no neos without froox coding

We were also not friendly to venture capitalists and their needs. Which I can see the upside of for founders to remain in control. Even though it takes much longer to build something big without their help.

But we can’t keep attacking every way of funding. Money is not something bad. A company needs funding to do well and be able to grow.

I wouldnt trust eth transition to PoS happen anytime soon. Its been delayed for to long. Many ecr20 tokens migrating to better alternatives.

But as well, it will remain the same an eventually die if neos doesn't get funded. Some else will produce same and better then neos die. The product will to improve before another thing comes up. Neos is currently the best I've seen

Yeah there is an upside to it if you can make it without major investments giving away too much equity.

its emotional, Karel. Its not aboit the environment or this or that... its that thr furry community adopted marxist brainworms on twitter and they see crypto as capitalism

Also imma say my piece on Licensing because i think everyone has their own opinioons on "who should own neos"

Personally Ownership of neos i think should initially be by Frooxious but then open sourced to allow anyone to contribute and fork a truly open metaverse capable of integrating whatever you wish

I dont think the time for Open sourcing is now but it is something i look forwards to and I recognize that avoiding "Sharks" of the captial world has been beneficial to this

Karel youre the only one... the ONLY one... who gives a shit about us who bought NCR

the Neos team let a toxic hateful childish community cultivate on discord and they are responsible for this strife.

Yupp

Oh right speaking of captial sharks, this is also something anti crypto users do not like and have basically equated a lot of "cryptobros" to essentially equal, feeling that people are in it just to make a quick buck not for the good of the platform.

Not my thoughts but just adding to the prior things that have been heard against crypto, this one is more unique to this project

Karel if I can get froox to the table would you come and I can help mediate a quicker solution for you both than legal? Both the NCR and NEOS community is depending you you.

I care very deeply for all ncr holders as well as all of our users - a big part of our community is both. It’s not one or the other. I wish everyone could see that.

and to be clear I want Neos to succeed but I dont want it to be some shitty second life knockoff. I want a real metaverse with the decentralized future in mind

Being so toxic to that extent that they would sabotage for a way to make good money on doing what they love. I dont understand.

Sure you can give it a shot.

I think a lot of users agree with this sentiment of wanting to be and thinking we can be better than all those projects before.

Especially due to the freedom of content, pay to create is a really bad model and personally i really dont like "Land" systems where you pay for areas

By bad model I mean anti creator because it builds a hostile barrier of entry for simply wanting to create content

yeah and honestly I think many of us want a brighter, better neosvr.

Thats the main reason why we are not doing land on the metaverse level or any other artificial limitations

We do limit storage, but that is because storage is a limited resource IRL and we have to pay for it.

And its definitely one of Neos VRs strengths, the creativity and creation flowing out of it is testament to that

I like that we can freely have our own space, I hate paying for grids in second life

tho I wonder if neosvr could ever do an official mainland to use ncr to rent space in

yes i like exploring in secondlife

cant do that in neos yet but sl dont let you have your own private place without paying LOTs of money

so its better tradeoff imo

Oh yeah that is planned, Neos being able to run multiple words at once making it quite easy to run large grids with small syncronised sectors moving seemlesly between sectors (running multiple when at the borders) was one of the initial design considerations.

this could be a great usecase for NCR

if users make use of running big grids

lol big rigs

These large grids will be cool especially for AR as Neos layers for the real worldspace with multiple Neos layers for the whole planet.

that sounds amazing

Will be so cool.

you really do love neos and want to see it grow

yeah long time out. I like to think forward like this, but thats why having money and funding is important

Depends on when good (meaning both enjoyable to use and not too expensive) Ar headsets become available

With long term projects like Neos you have to think pretty far into the future. Hard to change the base architecture when youre ten years in and there is a lot of content already.

Hard to predict, but it’s great that the correct decisions have been made and we are ready for that future when/if it comes.

I’ll even sign and NDA for the meeting.

I do say sorry all the time. That’s not the problem.

I’m doing large concessions and am willing to find a compromise to work together.

Both parties have to have good will to reach an agreement.

nice try! wanna give huge hug for you. Thanks

I just don’t see you guys can work together. Even if you do reach an agreement, no one would invest knowing your history, particularly how froox treated you and the community. No CEX would touch anything that has froox in it.

He has kicked you out in public statement, the furry community is a bunch of psychopaths who claim to drink cryptobros’ tears as sodium source, and you said you question froox’ sanity at this point. Come on let’s get real, what is your legal plan now? What can the community expect in near future?

None

Just fork the project and be done with it or battle in court, seems like the only two options left

Karel do some Twitter comms to announce this is not rug pull project

finally?

Yeah if it didn’t happen in 7 years, it won’t happen now that they are publicly poking eyes. You need to realize that froox has nuked Karel’s life project here, justified or not(I’d say not)

relax mods are working on those since a month or 2 now

:)

What is happening now is hurting peoples hard earned investment who invested in this awesome project through their token NCR

I’m still trying to reach an peaceful agreement. There’s always hope. At the same time the company is lawyering up and preparing for a legal battle. It has to. These are parallel efforts. It’s smart to do both.

Hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.

I appreciate what your saying but imo that’s beside the point. Kudos to froox and his team, they’ve made it perfectly clear that they don’t respect karel as CEO, maybe not even as a person. They have made it perfectly clear that they don’t accept working with karel any more and they don’t want NCR. It’s be karel fault to pretend otherwise.

I support court battle btw. I k ow it could take a long time but I support it

but no ones said anyting about that

Reaching an agreement would probably mean them working independently on the engine with Solirax funding their efforts. Not directly working together. That ship seems to have sailed.

Well karel in simple words do u mean NCR as a token will cease to exist or will have a use case because of all this disagreements among ur core teams

But there’s still be roadmaps that both sides need to honor. I know for a fact that they won’t.

At this point I'd not go that far as to think Frooxius is 100% innocent. Furries openly curclejerking crypto is scam has gotten to him probably. There's been fight against development timelines and hiring professional help with UX, seems clear what's going on

this. Look how the devs act. Its not hard and they are not even trying to hide it.

NCR is here to stay.

I lurked on twitter, someone was sayong "NCR IS GETTING REMOVED" and a dev liked their comment

I mean if me and my brother is fighting and it’s impacting family finances that’s personal but here a firm which is run by senior members and if such disconnect happens it hurts innocent people a lot who has invested in an ICO..whoever is on right side of god path should understand

Occam's razor. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the answer. If froox had real problems with karel, he’d have said it by now. He just wants sole control and Karel out.

Ive never heard a dev say they like a decentralized metaverse, they want some secondlife knockoff with linden dollars and shit

yeah its obvious right? He wants to go legal and kick Karel out of his own company

Anyway neos is a really functional metaverse if u guys can’t agree to jointly to make it progress then sell copy rights patents to some global firm like Facebook or someone who can run a business

It Takes Two To Tango

and you goddamn better believe Karel is the only one who gives a shit about us here

Just fork the project and Frooxius can have a playground with his furry friends and other Neos can be developed in more professional setting. Both parties should be happy with this, unless Frooxius cares only of total control and making a name for himself.

Whatever is happening now still neos is a awesome product which only will be killed by suicidal efforts like happening now..god bless and help

I dont want two Neos. Maybe two development teams, but Neos is Neos.

I do have respect, but the state of discord has been ugly for 2 months and it isn't due to "moon boys"

The team has killed froox career, they just don’t know it. However Karel seems to be fine here.

he doesnt care about business. he wants to hang out and cuddle with his furry lovers

It Takes Two To Tango

and honestly good for him

You will never reach an agreement unless you bury your differences and work out a compromise. It takes two to tango.

I have my doubts as well, but I’m sure some useful work would get done. Even after all that damage to our funding and ncr holders it’s important to keep in mind all the good things he has done for Neos. He can still help rehabilitate Neos and Neos Credits. Signing the Memorandum and doing a positive joint statement would be a great first step.

I'd also point out that none have attacked Frooxius in the way furries have bashed Karel for months now. Speaks volumes in itself, still they think they have the moral high ground. And Frooxius has these people all around him 24/7. Talk about toxic environment and poisoning of the well.

Still hope settlement can be reached but seems unlikely considering above.

Most of them happen to be furries, but I would like to say I like furries generally and am very grateful for them using Neos. They have been great supporters over the years.

Send him some women in furry cosplay, maybe you’ll get on his good side😂

Very bad taste indeed.

We are at a almost 100% financial loss, while furrys are laughing, and I can’t make a joke

Gtfo😂

I get that they have been laughing it up at out loss

You can. just make something genuinely funny and more respectful of women.

Not very nice of them either

But Ive read Karels comments this morning sounds good we need actual progress to be made

Seems like Froox has been holding up the progress imo

Maybe we can get somewhere much faster with hired professionals

I just don’t thing a positive joint statement where both parties are expected to work together will be well received by anyone-investors, players, business partners. That’s like working with a ticking bomb.

Neos is trying to become a professional company and it seems one party does not like that at all

Seems that way

Karel may be the visionary and because of it has been attacked by rest of team who dont like it 🤷🏽‍♂️

Cos it wont be all their work then

No he isnt

None

None

It's not our fault if the only people that is willing to join happens to be furry, attacking fandoms over the management of the game is awful.

The more casual communities, like anime and whatever else, don't want to put up with the game in its current state with so many features missing and sub par fbt doesn't help, the hips movement is wrong, the neck crunching problem is very common, and making avatars is still too hard for most that are used to simply dropping a unity package and hitting upload immediately without doing any additional work

Attacking furries over it ignores the actual problems the game has

Please stop this hate, it isn't relevant to the state of the game's development

Plus custom shaders not being available is also a deal breaker for many

lol

A lot of strife also comes down to the UI being a mess, it confuses people all the time and isn't very well explained, like the inventory icons

I've also seen people rage at the controls of double joystick for movement as they expected Vrchat clone controls, and they can't figure out the laser either

I'm getting tired of all the " furries vs crypto " it's lame, needless and only highlights that part to outsiders

yeah everyone's tired of it now hey $0.3 speaks amounts lol

perfect timing to bury the hatchet

Only now khosumi? Got tired of it after a week and the same names on discord have been going about it for a month now

Don't

Including you

Start

I think a lot of the angry people will fade over time. They sold and are still really mad, but they will disappear over time.

I'm clearly making an attempt to talk at head level

Quit antagonizing

Welcome to the club, finally

The price is bottomed out now at least and didn't go to 0 like everyone thought it would the other day.

Showing a lot of support around 30 cents, which is no surprise since that is around where the price boom started.

the price action is irrelevant at this stage tbh. Questions on the table are will Neos survive the year? will solirax break apart under legal battles

I know both sides want it to work. Hopefully cooler heads can prevail here.

I mean you have a parody NFT the purpose of which is to mock nfts

and that whole spiel

I believe it is better to spend more energy on the game engine than the coin as the game being successful will lead to the coin inherently gaining value and utility, artificially keeping a price up is not something I foresee increasing the game's popularity

yes but you will be accused of having biases thats understandable right :P

yep, i prefer fully on chain personally

not enough NFT maxis even know about this lol

I hope this chat can remain neutral ground for all parties

I don't see the usefulness of NFTs can do that other traditional methods couldn't do in the game

Ah but neos doesn't host anything, it's all peer to peer

Well, you do store all of your assets in the cloud

That is true

But neos doesn't host anything in terms of servers. That's mostly p2p sessions or headless servers set up by people

Though is there the possibility of hosting our own Cloud?

I heard that's a pro thing

Possibly? I've no idea

I don't think that's implemented for pro users, but I could be wrong

I haven't heard of anybody doing that

Well I think It'd be beneficial greatly