We know that mostly the opposition don’t have a leg to stand on to force NCR to be third party

They just deluded themselves into thinking they do

every person that understand crypto know this project have the potential to be on the top 100 coins, i also think is a good idea to buy now before the market goes up. and by the way you look cute with your customes, look like neos match the things you like. im in israel and here is purim tomorrow i am sure you will love this holiday. google purim in israel and you will see

😂

Simps gonna simp regardless of the situation

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This Ja Ko dude is on the discord 24/7 jesus

Still on about the death threat from that one dude one time 😂

If you're thinking of what I think you are, I posted a screenshot of my DM with Karel, & then deleted it after they said they were only interested in figuring out my discord handle

He really was that dude earlier

Sad lil dude

Lmao

He first posted the screenshot without covering his avatar and then tried deleting. I saw it though lol

What are they even talking about in discord at this point. Isn't it just a complete echo chamber now. Just going in circles about the same things...?

Yep idk how that Ja dude can repeat the same nonsense in there all day still

I dont look very often this was first time in days and they still on about it and shitposting in Karels name ofcourse

Bored Ape startup plans virtual land sales, APECoin token to kickstart metaverse gaming project

Yeah he’ll spin anything

The case is he owns half the company you moron 😂

You cant just do what the hell u want

Interesting but not relevant

Other competitors are developing rapidly, and if neosvr doesn't resolve its internal conflicts, the future doesn't look good

w h y

the whole dev team should look out what the industry is doing

Lol

Nobody catching up anytime soon dw

Metaverse is complez

Not something you just can pickup and start developing

Its a nice buzzword to use to try and get investors but at the end of the day very few ‘metaverses’ are actually a metaverse

Thats why I dont give up on Neos

The whole dev team needs to be fired imo

But thats a story for another day

They’ll get whats coming to them I’m sure

they want to be left behind. they don't want to be a market competitor, they want to be a clubhouse application for furries

The furries are such a small community yet they think they are Neos life and death, hardly, they’ll be ill forgotten in no time.

When I look it's just the same thing and surprisingly active

Because they’re too busy being yes men to each other and saying their own bullshit enough times for them to belive it themselves

I wouldn't say small and I've no problem with them. I think in recent years they became one of the most combatative and argumentative groups online is all.

Id have no problem with them if they weren’t always trying to shine a bad light on crypto and having a laugh at investors losses

With their jerk off circles

When Tumblr lost users it seems the most toxic furries who like to spend all day arguing and fighting with people moved to twitter.

Its sad because it's not because they needed to leave, but there were just no more NSFW artists for them to harass and hate on

It's like how their Discord ran everyone who was pro NCR out of the place, and when they ran out of people to argue with they started coming here to the TG to look for fights

Twitter furry's current obsession is crypto and NFTs with a side of Marxism lately

basically ppl with too much time on their hands

Yeah I agree they come in here looking for a fight and its blatantly obvious

It's not even so much that they're looking for a fight - I think that's actually died down for the most part - it's that guys like Kobu are coming in here under false pretense, acting like a "neutral" or someone who's also lost money on NCR, and then trying to spread bullshit talking points like the 3rd party plugin as a solution. Thankfully I think it's limited to only 1-2 individuals.

yeah it's that. They target confused people who lost money on NCR and try to shill their narrative about Karel. It's a gaslighting campaign.

They said they needed to run one to refute Reactant's posts.

Honestly, all the devs are running a gaslighting campaign. Being vague, not committing to any real facts about what went wrong.

It works really well in the discord because the anti-crypto community is an affinity group and will literally believe anything that's said if it backs up their beliefs

I agree about the devs being vague they’ve always flip flopped on what their actual problem is

Seems they just want to have a problem for the sake of it

It's a common PR tactic to be vague on your position, insist on private negotiations, and thereby force the other party into silence and inaction while you continue your campaign behind closed doors

Not that I credit them for being smart enough to do that deliberately - but that is in effect what happened. And obviously Karel got frustrated and start commenting publicly, which was definitely a mistake on his part, as it just gave further ammo to his detractors.

It was classic stonewalling. Republicans do it to Democrats all the time and it works.

They would often deflect "NCR is Karel's thing, ask him about it" but when he would answer they would say he was making statements without the team's concent.

In addition to that, saying all 12 or so devs would need to sign off on any NCR decision Karel makes before he was clear... while maintaining that they have no responsibility or knowledge of NCR's side of things

seems like a force of hand situation, especislly when Karel was in negotiation for getting NCR onto exchanges

If ncr failed, neos will fail either. it's naive someone want karel lose everything, meanwhile dev team can continue neos freely and have a bright future.

it's true team can destroy $ncr and karel. But karel can destroy neos either.

no one will get success by ruin somebody else.

Lol imagine having nothing to do irl other than being a snake and spreading FUD 24/24

Cringe at this point

lol
ja pretending not seeing tg is quite funny too

he's trying to find more fights here and there.. wonder why he's doing this

Frox was hostage, really? He had access to internet all the time, was eating at restaurants and was hostage at the same time?

Kobu spent his whole day yesterday at this 😅

Just out of curiosity, if Karel and Froox currently hold 42.5% of Solirax - who owns the remaining 15%? VC or is that shareholder equity?

de v

devs are not the boss right

vc IMO

I'd be curious to see what the articles of incorporation specify for voting rights. Even with 15% it's not uncommon for series A / angel capital to have a board seat with a vote.

I remember there was a link shared of the company’s info on a British gov website but I can’t find it, it had the whole breakdown

I've heard its a third party VC

Do you by any chance have the source? I’m currently looking for it

I forget who it is, but it's publicly known I think

its Rothenburg

which is inactive comp now..

but the vehicle fund is still there

unmanaged I guess

Karel once said in Discord that the investors are not happy with current situation.

It straight up pains me to see a scam metaverse like sandbox is moving forward while Neos is stagnant in the stupidest internal feud I’ve seen.

they are good at b2b partnership & marketing which Neos lacks of.

I’m sorry. Actually NeosVR is a scam.

just need some time,effort,people,money............ oh...

der john what have u become!

I make a lot of money on sand, but lost 70% of my money on NCR

Lol

I’m being true

And honest

No offense

But I won’t touch NCR again

sad for you, but u should let it go if u wont touch ncr again

I will

maybe come back year after

see what went on

Lol

Perhaps

it would be quite fun i guess

Factsss

With the difference that NeosB2B partners actually do useful and practical stuff rather than just buying land and putting ugly info points in the landscap

Karel did some good job in B2B development considering how small and underfunded they were at the time. With the funding and a potential team expansion, and the already impressive B2B portfolio, neos could have done even better.

Not only Karel but also community Members and organizations working in, on and with Neos. NCR/CDFT are a great way to fertilize an foster all the efforts people put in.
It's a pity that this ingenious setup and role of NCR/CDFT went totally lost in the Crypto- good/evil feud.

I still don’t buy that it’s about crypto. It’s just an easy scapegoat.

De-crypto-fication

Second life dead by centralization, imagin your SECOND LIFE are owned by someone else.

They can delete your account at any time, as twitter delete trump's

Companies like Millions of Us and Electric Sheep Company did really well commissioning builds for brick and mortar businesses in Second Life. I think Best Buy paid 6 figures for Geek Squad island.

At the time we were still trying to figure out how to translate real world business into a 3D environment and it was incredibly clunky at times - and often ended up looking like a dystopian cityscape of advertising and static buildings. Some companies and universities learned that the power of the Metaverse is in its ability to foster communities and connect people from different interest groups, but others ended up with very pretty 3D buildings and no engagement or traffic. At the end of the day people are the killer app of these spaces.

Someone always think they are clever than hedge funds, clever than VCs, clever than microsoft. Microsoft and Temasek invest metamask today.

Back in 2003/2004 Second Life was a very niche community of developers and makers - not unlike Neos right now. The traction really started happening when a marketplace of virtual goods emerged and demand for those goods increased. SL had several really important anchor communities that brought people in-world including furries, goreans, roleplayers, clubbers, etc. Linden Lab heavily catered to people running these communities early on and used to hold meetups at their office in San Francisco for the leadership. Definitely things that Neos could borrow a page from in the future. Subcultures and communities and the ecosystem of goods that emerges around them is the bread and butter of user content virtual worlds.

Whether you accept or not, crypto is the future. Metaverse will emerging, though we don't really know what will it looks like. Do not fight Karel by anti crypto.

If you don't exchange crypto to cash, why you will be taxed? And if you don't make profit, why will have tax?

You buy 10k $usdc and sold it, will you be taxed?

The IRS considers any incoming crypto transaction a taxable event.

You have income, you have to pay tax, whether it's crypto or us dollar.

Dex even can't be tracked. And law will be improved later i think.

I don't know IRS rules, but if you don't sell $ncr, why they will tax you?

I have treated cross-county finance problem, without crypto, the cost beyond your expectation.

Imagin, I sell something in neos, the buyer use credit card, the money will go to Solirax, and they will pay tax, when they send these money to me, i will be taxed again.

Even worse, cross-board transaction is very very expensive, if the quantity is 200 usd, i think finally i can only get 50$ in my bank card.

You problem is not have too much relation with crypto. To avoid tax, their can be some solutions. I just said purely on crypto. If you are talking about neos and $ncr, it's may appropriate to follow your suggestion rather than use $ncr or $eth as payment.

Current neos' problem is really complex, for me it's difficulty to judge anything, we can only wait karel, froox and dev team to reach a consensus. But even $ncr failed, I still beleve in crypto, though I don't known how will crypto tech evolve. I still beleve in metaverse, though I can't even imagine now, what will the metaverse really like.

It's insane if you think about it, even more so considering how much many years they've been on it already. Now at the most important moment they're wasting all those years away

I'll risk all my free money on crypto and metaverse.

I thought the two of them both are smart enough to realize it isn't worth it to fight over this and just focus on the future

Karel any progress？

I read it 10 years ago, vr isn't heard too much then.

Wait patiently, no more things we can do now.

There has been no information for a long time

$ncr price won't hike too high, even they reach aggreements. It's a long journey.

Yeah, can't do anything other but I'm amazed with the situation. Two guys wasting their one in a million lottery ticket and 8 years of work just because they don't want to work together

I want to use neos in our project as a module, but now, I don't know who I should discuss the business with.😂

Aggree with this is a one million chance, but you know, people always have different views and ideas and feelings...

Neos has a big chance of being overshadowed by the way bigger players in the market and many are working on their products as we speak, they can copy any features they want from Neos and have vast resources to play with. Sure, if Froox is happy with Neos being a niche product that only furries know of that's fine but I thought the aim here is bigger

They should've gotten the community involved sooner

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https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srvmba

More than ten days have passed since this statement.We would like to ask what is the situation now? In the attitude of being responsible to investors, we have the right to know some truth. Karel

Plz

so where are the neos vr paid ads?

not ready or cant

some guys in dev team dont treat neos vr as a business

0utsider, Aegis_Wolf, CanadianGit, Chroma, Dante, Frooxius, Geenz, Lacy-Bean, Nexulan, ProbablePrime, Raith, RueShejn, Ryuvi, Shifty, Theofilus the Folf, Veer .etc

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He's spreading bullshit everywhere. Twitter and Discord He's like a snake spreading poison everywhere. He doesn't want Karel and Frooxius to reconcile.

Yep maybe he has no other things to do :/

I don't know why there are people with this thinking who rejoice if he makes people separate

It happens most of the time when ppl don't feel bad in their life, so they want to extend that feeling or their actions are spreading it.

I mean, if you enjoy your life, you can only wish good for everybody, or at the very least, you are not trying to provoke hate

The recent events made me loose -90% of my position, even tho furries are mocking ppl like us and are acting in a very despicable way, I do not wish harm nor bad for them. I just don't get why they are so deeply committed to rub it in

I hope that this dispute will end and that the project will see the light again, and I wish you all the best

Thank you mate, I did not loose anything since I am holding, I still believe in the vision that Karel has for the project. It's just a matter of time. Things will be sorted out, one way or another. Our patience will be rewarded.

CTO and CEO already said they to split

Two coins?

NCR CTO and NCR CEO : b

We guys are gangsters

One dude gave a death threat one time who was banned

These guys just larp on about it

When you have nothing to say 🤯

I haven't seen the discord for weeks, first message I came across is this one, I mean its.. whatever ><

It’s no surprise u see Ja Ko in there active as ever lol

Indeed, peak of activity lol

More than ten days have passed since this statement.We would like to ask what is the situation now? In the attitude of being responsible to investors, we have the right to know some truth. Karel

Karel

compromise?

I think now is the time for all of us to pray for karel. We can't do anything right now.

Oh God, when will this pain ever stop?

new website is coming !

Where did you get that news?

moon

As Karel said, it's a complex situation that is going to take time to rectify. Even if there is a parting of ways between Karel and Froox, I trust that any separation deal would be done in the best interest of both Neos and NCR. I personally don't see Karel agreeing to anything other than a deal that is beneficial to both and keeps NCR relevant, even as a 3rd party component of Neos.

Bearly if furries video still occupy the main page😎

I'm planning run a 4th party metaverse on top of neos. Will it be a good idea?

Just a joke to break the day dreaming.

Christopher Nolan might sue you for copyright infringement

I hope the joke lands..
(Hint: inception?)

JokingVerse

and the token will be $jvc

wen airdrop

TBD, And one more thing, everyone can exchange 1 $ncr to 1 $jvc

moonshot guaranteed? 👀

insider move?

What about $jvc to USDT?

🚀 NCR price changed +17.69%! Current price $0.3277 Uniswap V3

Karel buyback

Karel IS THAT U ?

Yeah doing some buyback 👍

While I’m sorry to see the price so low it is great for Neos to be able to get NCR this cheap in the long term

good news soon ,sir?

This low price is good news, just fill the bag ;)

karel do the buyback

👍

bullish

Any progress with the negotiations?

We need to show more patience, the time will come.

👍

Yes bullish

bullish

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if instead of buyback, why not creating a 1-sided V3 token (but 1% fees)? If people sell, they sell you cheap NCR and on top the team earn the fees. Just a random idea.

fyi, alternative metaverse programs, like NFT Worlds, operate with 1% V3 tokens.

Not a bad idea, but considering how the team wants to get rid of NCR, another token may not be welcomed..

same NCR token, just a different LP token

when creating LP tokens in Uniswap V3, we have like 3 choices of fees. The NCR pairs have used the cheapest fee structures (0.05%). I see these fees used for stables swapping and highly liquid tokens

Also when is staking expected that atleast gives some incentives to hold

All we need right now is cheers and support for Karel. He continues to buy back ncr while taking the blame from the damn team and being insulted by naive kids. As CEO, he endures and takes responsibility for all of this.
It's so hard for me to face reality every day. But I have hope because he is here. I believe Karel will bring good news in negotiations.

I believe that good days will come for all of us.

A little bit of Thursday motivation. Happy St. Patrick’s Day to all of you!☘️💚Whether you’re Irish by blood or by heart or like me - don’t need an excuse to taste a good whiskey - well today is the perfect day …cheers😁🥃

Happy St. Patrick day ☘️

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Let's look at the current situation objectively,
1. The market estimates NCR at the level of $10 million. We think it is undervalued, but the objective evaluation of the market is like that.
2. There are many ppl against NCR. This includes Frooxius and his volunteers who suggests NCR to be 3rd party to have no value at all.

I want to suggest one option if the ongoing negotiations are not satisfactory. Im not sure whether this is even possible without Frooxius's consent, but I hope Karel can find some way by convincing Rothenburg.

Solution: Series A Investment from Strategic Investor
This will enable Solirax to become professional company where there's no legal battle over ownership of Neos. This investment will bring balance for both parties. (The team will be hired and compensated for their contribution)

Just so you know, Rec Room raised $145M at $3.5B valuation last year. Solirax needs lots of help right now in every aspects, and its just my sci-fi opinion.

Karel Andrea please consider getting invested to get help and finding balance for this situation :)

u disagreeing or me or Froox doesnt matter for Ncr's value

it just fact that NCR's market cap will drop dramatically if its 3rd parfy

of course it can have its function alive if u mean as a value

ok some misunderstandings i have made

its actually true he didnt intend to do it. he just dont know .. and his friends also.

he didnt intend cus he really dont know, but that doesnt make any excuse for ncr holders

Froox isnt replaceable

which is same for Karel cus they both own same shares 42.5%

well... u sure?

its 42.5% for UK company as I know, and its holding company which owns the others as affiliates

if its 100% owned by Karel kk

this wouldnt even have to be negotiated

Can you share the source? I’m looking for the documents

I would appreciate that, thank you

Did it look something like this?

So its from e-justice.europa gov website

well, its confirmed by many that Solirax Ltd. is in UK, which is a holding company of Solirax core S.R.O

Solirax Ltd. is owned 42.5% each with 15% VC fund.

I’m also looking for the document that shows this info if you can share that source

Solirax S.R.O isnt sure how the share is divided, but I assume most of its from Ltd. (that's the sole purpose of this entity, having majority at least for Solirax S.R.O)

42.5% came from Karel's word. U can easily find it somewhere

there are some more entities, which are edcuation related & US entity as far as I know

but I assume it would also belong to Solirax for sure....

Yeah I saw but I prefer keeping official documentations so I refer to verified figures

So, u only have to know the shares for Solirax Ltd.

Pretty much

By realistic situation, it's difficult for $ncr restore price in a short time. Karel can restart a neos metaverse, with neos be the basic module. And store all neos metaverse data in another group of servers. And with $ncr be native token with the neos metaverse.

Legacy neos can be runned by a new compay, with 50-50 in shares with carel and froox, but operated by froox and dev team.

forking is another option which I agree also, but if forking is not negotiable - get funded from strategic partner and get help from them

Neos can support several VR metaverse, It's really more like a ENGINE rather than a metaverse.

Karel can use neos as a component, rather than change neos dramatically to fit with $ncr.

exactly

I don't mean folking, just Karel's metaverse use neos(which will remove some parts) as vr base component. And build data storage, market, etc. independently.

Not $ncr as a third party things in neos, just build a crypto native metaverse based on neos tech.

+giving license fee to Froox's neos?

open source is a long journey :(

That's some simple topic they can negotiate.

I thinks it's sure will have license fee. Of couse, Karel can have some shares in froox's new company.

honestly, i think dev is claiming everything except for NCR

Hopes

Even if the negotiations made two versions of Neos, Im sure Froox will not have control for it also

cus its owned by everyone who is involved as they claim

They seriously need a 3rd party to make this move on

and actually if the strategic partner is like Animoca Brands, the $ncr price will restore in short.

IF 3rd party gets involved actively, it will only decide whats best for "Solirax", not personal but objective.

the thing is, unwilling to work doesnt even matter.

seperate ways is fine but negotiation is hard

im just suggesting if the negotiations dont get to some point

3rd party can decide which seperation is the best option also.

both having equal shares means ... super difficult negotiation

all we know about the discussion is

Froox's side suggesting Karel to leave company with 3rd party NCR

IF negotiation doesnt go well, there will be legal fight for the code ownership.

what do u mean caring for code

that means ownership of code right?

Froox's community(not Froox) is claiming the code belongs to the code contributors cus they are not signed to anything
Karel is claiming the code belongs to Solirax which assumes Froox has signed somehow.

they both have reasonable argues..

yes, the volunteers are making some points

but Froox's ownership is the hard part and most important also.

He is the director of Solirax, owner of Solirax, had some paid which was very little.

owners dont usually have some legal documents when it is startup

So let's say, it was 100% owned by Froox

And he got invested from VC for it.

and he runs away with his code( which is everything)

VC is stupid?

it could be the case, i donk know

yes if there wasnt appropriate contract, could be. But VC isnt that stupid normally....

war of interest of Solirax vs Frooxius+team Neos I would want to say

cus Solirax will be doomed losing IP of neos

crypto doesnt matter really

vc fund for Solirax

what do u mena

they dont fund for devs

yes it might for sure.

The court will be involved even if Karel leaves.

Who owns neos?

100% court for sure if Froox leaves

what kind of company owns nothing but pays for the server fees kk

this is ridiculous really

Nex and others prob want their part of the future millions

IMO, the IP will not be solely owned by 1 party. Which will allow both parties to use.

solirax is in real danger, which Froox is not helping at all.

Froox is attacking his own company kk

kind of "breach of duty" as I see

Froox never said the IP belongs to the devs yet, I hope he understands what it would mean.

yes that is true

That would harm Frooxius as he's responsible for the code and any contribution in there

And I don't see a way to clean up the diverse IP for the time being, as the developers stand against giving up the rights on their contribution and unknowingly being against Frooxius by doing that

In the hope this would help to keep the code away from Karel or even help if it went to court

Seems like when money enters the scene, things change rather quickly

based on ryan's comments i saw in discord before i left, seems that this is just going to be another furry hit piece against karel

i even urged him to talk to folks in the telegrams to get another perspective, and as far as i know he hasn't made any attempts to do so

and his "anonymous source" - we can all probably guess who the likely candidates are

They are trying their best to kill this to be fair

They should realise they’re wasting their time at this point

The Furnal (furry) Equinox is taking place this week end, we might be spared a little !

Things will cool between the two communities

nothing else to imply or twist here

Hey can you not? Ryan isn't even furry and he's doing this out of his own time/judgement. It's his own endeavour and you being bigoted/ignorant to him isn't cool. He reports on all Metaverses out there.

Yeah Ryan is fine. He used to do a lot of Second Life coverage.

You can stop with your moralizing. I didn't attack him personally. I stated my opinion that his reporting has a biased perspective, and I'll continue voicing my opinion. And usage of the term "furry" is just shorthand to describe one of the sides of this dispute, just as you all liberally use the term "crypto bros" or "moon boys" in the discord.

That's fine, just chill with the ignorant takes, it's just not cool. The description is inaccurate, but oh well.

"just chill with the ignorant takes" lmao - how frustrating it must be for you to not have your mod powers in here.

i'll speak my mind however i want to

so kindly fuck off

patronizing bullshit

I've never really needed them, funny how people think that they are so important. I will however call bullshit when I see it.

And cool, not really gonna egg you, said my peace, long as you understood my point I'm fine.

understood. thank you for your service.

turk, as a moderator in discord.. please try to stop all negativities... both side

there are 2~3 who really never stops

I try, and others do too, but it's a bit hard and requires everyone's involvement not just me. If you have issues please dm and we'll deal with it how we can.

i know mods are trying hard, but after seeing reactant gone... this community is becoming more monster

and it is actually true that Ryan will get source from the discord mainly, which result is kind of obvious.

I saw his work, and it was amazing

but it is also true that its more likely to be biased.

cus as I said, there are 2~3 who never stops

this toxic

I also started to read the article and felt a bias. Will try again tomorrow....

story telling from Froox's view mainly will make obvious result at the end.

and do mods really try? i dont read much nowadays but....

these are the mods in Karel Ncr post thread

btw, not sure when was the last time that a board member (patron) was available. But the last few days one has been open....

Do you know any additional responsabilities required as a board member?

understood. thanks for the advise!

What software do they use for board meetings?

thanks

So far I heard, its a meeting in Neos

We were meeting in-world.

What are the topics usually discussed?

In the board meetings

The state of the community, things that could be improved, UI/UX, etc. It was very platform-focused and NCR rarely came up.

They were more like focus groups for Neos itself.

what is the future of NCR? according to your assumption?

I think right now it's incredibly important to clearly define ownership of the code. I believe that will play a big part in which direction Neos goes in the future and until then everything else is speculation.

The devs have clearly stated that they won't work with Karel, but with him as a half owner, it seems the only two legal ways would be either a voluntary step-down or a majority vote, which in a 50/50 situation is still a voluntary step-down. Without contracts the devs are likely entitled to take the code they've written and re-form elsewhere as a different company, but I imagine Froox's code would be considered property of the company.

Basically the devs seem very confident that they can remove Karel from the equation, but the only person that can remove Karel from the equation is Karel.

Which gives him a negotiating bargaining chip. They want him to step down from Solirax, and he wants NCR as a component of Neos. I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive and it could result in a situation where NCR exists as a 3rd party component a'la Linden Lab's Tilia payment processor and everybody gets what they want.

Everything the devs do seem to point in that direction. The way Froox has all the other devs or contractor friends of his sign on everything he says seems like legal advice

This is not an "everyone gets what they want situation" though. NCR isn't a payment processor and Linden Labs actually supports theirs, where as Neos wants us to fuck off and make a plugin that no one will use.

You won't be able to give some NCR to a new player for example. I can't be like "here, buy yourself some avatar parts" like in SL I'll have to be like "um download this plugin that is a security risk, then set up a wallet etc etc"

There's no store. I don't see your point other than "NCR doesnt have a store yet so it shouldn't exist"

And that's nuance that would need to be defined in the terms of the agreement. It would need to be legally bound to NCR as a required component of the platform even as 3rd party. Again this is all speculation - but if I were in Karel's shoes I wouldn't agree to step down for anything less than that.

the games are structured completely differently though. You can't set up shop in Neos in the same way and buy directly in game afaik.

I don't really get how anyone could think that a third party currency can work. It absolutely is a kiss of death and Karel would be a fool to accept those terms unless he's getting a fat payout in the negotiations.

The truth is that the value of NCR in December was backed by the fundamentals of Neos itself as a response to the post-Meta announcement hype. It would be in the best interest of token holders to not divorce the two if we want to see that type of capitalization again.

I see, but I guess there was a time in Neos where ALOT of people were buying NCR with the assumption it would be supported though, right?

and I don't really agree. NCR was thought of as being something integral, used for tipping, instant ingame purchases, etc. If it exists where it's a plugin that yoy have to go and seek out and thrn set up your own wallet, I think no one will use it.

Literally the only reason to accept those terms is to capiitulate to their rigidness.

At the time NCR as an investment made a lot of sense considering the 5-6+ billion dollar market caps of the competition like MANA and SAND. Neos was a better product with a team of industry veterans, and held the golden ticket to being a major player in the social VR space if things had worked out. I think a lot of people envisioned NCR with a multi-billion dollar market cap and it's why we saw the price movement that we did.

I think NCR's functionality should be expanded, not reduced. And expanding its functionality is just impossible third party.

yeah, and with support from the devs, even just the most meager of nods or slight assurance that they cared, I think it'd be top 100 and not just #3000 in total market cap

and I do think that would draws players in.

With the current players count, this speculation doesn’t seem far fetched, we can see these figures once Neos becomes accessible to a bigger platform and gains mainstream attention

However seems December was the moment things went to shit truly, and ro coincide with the attention the devs already decided they wanted to remove it long before the March 4th abnouncement

They revealed some of that. They said third party involves them not being involved in NCR at all, not associate with it, but legally allow Karel to make a plugin.

Like, that right there, that wording, is what caused 80% market crash in a single day

The market isn't stupid and they know what it really means: "we're killing you softly"

thats how the announcement covered it.

Im merely saying thats how the market reacted. It wasn't "oh well atleast this drama will be put to rest" it was "oh theyre killing it."

Realistically there are too many variables to make assumptions right now. Without everything clearly pre-defined and contractually bound, there is a lot of gray area and room for legal interpretation with ownership and involvement. We likely won't hear anything until they've gone through the arbitration process.

Basically the third-party terms gives Neos team everything they want with no compromise. They have bo obligation to write any code, get to dumpster the CEO thry don't like, and also legally wash their hands of NCR.

Because of they stayed as a company and dropped it, I think there are legal repercussions

it's like their childish perfect solution and they think riling up furries to push it will work.

Right, but Karel would have hired someone to do that then. That's why Karel is actually important in all of this.

NCR was the house that was being built on top of an unstable interpersonal foundation - and that was never going to be sustainable. I think a lot of this comes from the token going parabolic long before they ever expected that level of growth and it ended up exposing a lot of issues that should have been addressed previously.

And honestly there's no reason the devs couldn't hire a crypto dev or a few and adopt NCR along with the disallusion of Karel's involvement in the development of Neos imo

Other than there is more at play and the devs want to promote the game as a non-crypto game.

thats what I think atleast

they are being ambitious and Karel would be a fool to give in.

Those agreements aren't legally binding as Im sure you well know

And I don't think therr's any clause in the NCR whitepaper or otherwise that says NCR has the right to disappear and scam you

Their public statements seem to say otherwise but I don't know

well said

I think the positive silver lining to this situation is that it's forced the company to re-group and handle a lot of these foundational issues that should have been addressed earlier. They've had to tear down to rebuild, and I'm hopeful that the company will emerge stronger after everything is sorted.

I think it has to do with their environment. It seems that theyve developed into a toxic echo chamber. Ive seen all manners of socisl groups single out a guy and start gossiping constantly. It grows and grows but when you look at the actual complications they are reveales to be very minor.

I think Karel was just the ubfortunate out-group person trying to be involved in a clique. I think in his mind he thought he could be the CEO people would admire, but it wasnt seen rhat way at all

I don't want to get into arguing if NCR is a security or not

I'm sure Bitconnect had all sorts of protective clauses when it scammed people too

I mean it's incredibly complex. I just see it leading to a better outcome than capitulating to very terrible terms.

I agree. The furry fandom can be incredibly fraternal. While I don't think it's *the* factor, I think it's *a* factor in why Karel has been seen as somewhat of an outsider to the rest of the team. I see it happen a lot in Silicon Valley and LA. There is a lot of inter-fandom neoptism to the point where being a furry is almost seen as a career move in a lot of software development and IT circles.

I know. I just wonder if Froox can legally force NCR to be removed like that after 4 years of selling it

I'm not a lawyer or anything though

Honestly they should have contracts made and get over their differences, everypne should swallow their pride and realize we're all human and Karel has done alot for Neos and cares about it. But I dont think that will happen, but bigger plot twists have happened.

and much worse insults have been brushed off

As was being discussed, property of the code is important

That's a bad scenario but the threat of it isn't something that should influence the negotiations or discussion

When I was working with Facebook/Meta on Horizon, the team had a huge developer turn-around. By the time the software was greenlit to go public, the lineup looked really different from when it was in internal alpha. Developers come and go, but the constant is the IP and the funding. At the end of the day, whoever is left standing with both of those is the owner of Neos.

I agree and this may be controversial but I do think the community has been gaslit into thinking Froox is a genius savant and Neos simply can't exist without him. Although I don't want to see him not involved with it anymore.

I just feel betrayed by him is all

unusable, as in neither party owns it?

Heh, there's good reason to feel that way, especially as an NCR holder, but I think Neos will likely be fine

worst case scenario for Neos I see playing out is that a better platform comes along and makes it irrelevent

interesting btw

Absolutely. With Philip Rosedale back at Linden Lab - Second Life VR could be an industry game-changer.

Rosendale seems pretty prudish on all technology it seems

I've had chats with Philip about VR and he doesn't think that the current state of VR is the future, but he's open to it. One of his concerns is being able to reach a broad demographic with HMDs.

VR just isn't landing with the female demographic right now, and that wouldn't appeal to SL's current userbase lineup.

But with that said - if Linden does move towards VR integration, they have 2 decades of rich content and a strong brand. There's enormous value in that.

Yeah the organic evolution of SL's UGC is what makes it special. The mainland is like a persistent uncurated burning man.

it's offtopic but I do think Neos should have a mainland someday

Watching the world being built around you in real-time with people participating in shared spaces definitely makes it feel more like a virtual world and not just an empty unity level.

I have mixed feelings about that, as it feels so much better building outside of SL

part of what drove me to Neos is that I kept wishing VRchat had an inventory system like SL. And part of what made me want crypto to be a part of these games is that I didn't want the same old centralized systems of ownership like in SL

from what I've heard, it's somewhat possible

Yeah I know the devs have stated previously that they don't want to be in the business of selling virtual land, but I think having an official continent with parcels for sale could be a viable revenue stream.

and thats something I think NCR shoild be used for

At the end of the day, virtual worlds need to be places where people can live and share experiences with their friends. Giving people the tools to maximize those experiences is so important. It's why Neos was going to be so special. No other platform (Other than SL) has allowed for that much of an in-world content creation pipeline, which I think is so necessary for crowdsourcing these spaces. VRChat is just a gallery of imported assets. Neos is a collaborative creative tool. There's a huge difference.

it's also why I think "Official" or first party is important. You could argue a third party linked mainland could be successful, but it'd be much more successful if it was considered an official destination imo

sounds not too unlike many of the EXP systems Ive used

facebook, SL returning and eventually Epic and Unreal engine will be entering the space at some point.. Neos has a head start but has serious competition

I also think that if Neos wanted to attract professional game developers, there needs to be more of a focus on creating a more industry-standard desktop development environment. In-world building with the HMD is awesome for doing things like casually moving around objects, but for serious devs with years of muscle memory developed for things like Blender and Unity, I think they expect some level of industry standard compliance.

I can only imagine. I've tried several different combat systems and theyre all also limited by how old SL is and feel like trying to swim in mud

I think thats an advantage VRchat has

I wont lie, I do like how easy it is to drag and drop stuff around in Unity and have it in VRC so quickly

Whats logix if I can ask?

Oh I see

Trying to do large-scale world builds with Index controllers can be an exercise in frustration. Certain things that take me 10 seconds in Unity can take minutes in VR. That's also something to consider for the future. VR is still heavily dependent on desktop.

A lot of VRChat devs are moving away from the node-based Udon system and using in-line UdonSharp. It was meant to increase accessibility but it mostly just creates frustration for coders.

Ohh hi. A node system must be done right to be usable

I think for a proper node system you got to look at functional languages and have purely functional nodes. Another aspect of developing code is reusability. It needs to be possible to pack these nodes up into package nodes that could be referenced and used as if they were single nodes by themselves, with a possibility to edit one package to fix bugs in all the referencing nodes as well

Also allow for script packs where code can be actually written as text and the reference nodes could work with them just the same as with packed nodes

That system seems to enable using the same nodes for scripting and shader programming, when I thought about that further. I'd like to test that system

These nodes actually build something that is pretty much an AST that could also be transformed to CIL or even SPIR-V byte code. That might make those scripts quite performant

every metaverse world/project is creating its own coin, check the apecoin of boredapes...just laucnhed...see their market cap...crazy that NEOS devs are so silly to not understand where the world is heading...

https://twitter.com/LeonidasNFT/status/1505060422973628416?s=20&t=_6KRJnx6rMUfnGGamdy9ug

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/apecoin-ape/

4-5bln market cap...still to launch..., fully dil 13bln...crazy...

From what I've seen, most of the devs were onboard with crypto/NCR at one point but NCR became synonymous with Karel - and their push to remove Karel from Neos superseded whatever NCR may have done for Neos in the future price or utility-wise. By crashing NCR they believed they could minimize Karel's involvement.

Yeah my only concern right now is potential opportunity cost

But idm having a small bag in here

opportunity cost is huge

but if there was no conflict between cofounders... $10m mc is ridiculous.

and 60% of total coin(50m) is not circulated even....

In regards to whoever might own the code, legally it is up in the air. But morally... if you go through Froox's blog and older posts around the web you realize that this project is his life's work. He is not just "a developer". It is the thing he is most passionate about. It would be a real travesty for it to be taken away from him.

A lot. I've done several world builds and was doing virtual production in-world up until recently.

Industry standard keymappings.

Almost too much when you take into account the uncertainty of the situation too

People who are used to working in heterogeneous environments and are switching between multiple 3D design environments, or have developed muscle memory from Max/Maya/Blender/Unity.

Even Blender itself wasn't really considered an industry standard compliant tool until they integrated the keymappings natively into 2.8. It's pretty important for pro user adoption.

The bigger overarching issue being accessibility. The easier and more approachable you make Neos the higher the adoption rate will be.

That's just one example of where improvements can be made.

Standardization is a good thing! Anything that can be done to make developing in Neos appealing to both pro game designers and new users is a win.

Because a Unity game designer with 0 hours logged into Neos can jump in and have a very similar experience, which expedites the development process and results in a higher adoption rate by the people who are directly responsible for the growth of the platform.

That sounds really nice on paper, but in reality it's the pro developers and modelers that end up being the core of the world makers. Second Life's consumer to creator ratio is something like 100:1 now.

Which is my point. Second Life grew because it was accessible early on and had a very similar building toolset to the 3D suites of that era. The traction it saw was a direct result of it being accessible, and part of that was the ease of use of the prim building tools.

I talk a bit about that in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjKE2yVlKk

Now this board meeting is in neos?
Where can I check time for board meeting?

You will know about it when you need to know it

Oh I needed to know it weeks ago.

I need to know it now

I don't think you need to know

Are you a reality loser? Only bullying in the internet. I just became a Yatima patron, I am willing to listen to next board meeting

So, Karel will tell you about the board meeting, when it is about to happen, but not this month yet. Also be on the discord so he can find you. However it is unlikely there to be a board meeting any time soon. I guess the public announcement would happen before there would ever be a board meeting again.

None

None

neos is being posted now what's up?

The meetings would be generally held once a month - to discuss platform focused topics and things to improve, bring new ideas etc. ☺️It would be also an opportunity to chat with the team, get to know each other a little and give everyone a space to raise any questions.

Unfortunately given the circumstances the meetings are postponed until further notice, while we work on resolving this complex situation.
Once we are ready to resume back, we would let everyone know through the official channels. ☺️ For now thank you so much for your support and everyone’s interest.

I hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend ☀️

it is

but eachtime i check the NCR chart i cry

MY LIFE SAVING

hi bro same here

Karel will save us.

Really??? How much? And what's your average price paid?

6U

Be careful when talking about death, some ppl might twist the joke ane claim the TG encourages death threaths lol

lol

The narrative that Karel supported death threats really needs to stop. I read what he said, and it was not that. The furries on Discord and Twitter have twisted it to make it sound a lot worse than it was in an attempt to further manipulate people into being anti-Karel.

Yes, it has been taken out of context and given, if shown just that cutout it really looks like what it actually isn't

However... he could have responded better to the death threat

I've been in the furry fandom since the early 2000s and have seen first hand how they weaponize social ostracization and character assassination to demonize people and drive them away from the community for not falling in line with the groupthink. This just feels like an extension of that and it's incredibly frustrating to watch happen to Karel who has poured himself into Neos for almost a decade.

I've been on the receiving end of furry cancel culture campaigns before and know how they will take a minor transgression and stretch the truth to manipulate others into joining social crucifixion bandwagons. It's almost an addiction and seems to happen almost weekly on furry Twitter.

fuck i wanna throw this into fl studio and remix tf out of it

Is there any news about the negotiations? Is it going on?

Are you sure about that?

kkk

just funny meme

PAMP IT