Only thing that could make this ponzi is the actions of the dev team

so they are ponzi team?

Very short lived one, they bought in and got ncr from community funds and sold high while taking actions to drive ncr price down as a group

They're walking on a thin ice trying to keep a moral high ground which does not exist

The team now realise they have the responsibility for a vulnerable individual (froox) and they own the outcome from their joint statements

his mental health is now a result of team action

Yeah karel treated everyone like shareholders tbh

The team did not

I'm afraid of the future where his inner circle will decide to kick Froox himself out, taking over the company totally

Like someone mentioned above, it's standard disclaimer

Actions of Karel speak volumes compared to volunteer dev team

froox is a puppet for prime and geenz at this stage . Quite disgusting considering his vulnerabilities

They all have it bro or some kind of disclaimer

That’s around the security aspect

SEC

etc

This isn't nothing more than a fight over a company that has huge potential

Human greed

+ furry

the devs don’t have what it takes to lead the project neither does froox

You know, for these people, every crypto is a ponzi lol

Right now, its reputation is dead :/

Why would you even invest in NCR now, it looks like a pump and dump. Indeed, due to what happend it now looks like a scam

Agreed

Let's hope for that 👍

Thank you for this post. I fully agree that the current situation is a result of a long chain of past interactions, decisions, miscommunications and so forth. It is a natural reaction to look for a scapegoat - someone or something that can be blamed, because in a way, that is easier than taking responsibility and seeing the situation for what it is. But once again, and I am aware that I keep drumming this over and over, what is important is to learn from it and move on. Karel has a vision for Neos that goes beyond a little niche community.
As you rightly said, Neos has a great potential in education sector, remote work and any services where virtual reality and multiplayer collaboration is required. He wants to see Neos prosper not just this year, or the next year - but in many many years ahead. For that you need to be agile, you need to rely on your team, have the right people in right roles - and create an environment where they feel good and work well.
I know first hand how important is the environment when it comes to teamwork. You put a good person into a bad environment and inevitably their behaviour changes. One of my ever favourite books is Men's search for meaning by Viktor Frankl. A perfect study into how people respond in times of collective stress. Neos as a community project is very susceptible - people quickly pick up on the negativity and unfortunately it is now the case that everyone is just fighting their corner, because some part of them was perhaps hurt. Or there is a fear of change. But here is where I remain hopeful and embrace it - change in this case is good. It will take time but every situation, every drama, historically peaks and then there is a space, an opportunity, for a true change and growth. And just speaking for myself - I want to be part of that change. Thank you for your support and understanding ❤️

Someone asked even if Froox was given ALL the NCR to manage and keep it first party. Know what Geenz response was? "We don't care about NCR".

They don't want a solution that protects us. They want us to fuck off and die, simply.

We are facing a strong will to oppose to Karel's vision, it's most likely not gonna happen given the current situation

However I believe in his vision and will keep on supporting him

they should fuck off

I know, just feels like Froox is more likely to let the other devs either convey his feelings for him or directly influence him

I've seen nothing that indicates froox feels differently from ppl like geenz

maybe youre right...

I shouldnt make assumptions like that

I have the feeling that froox seems hurted by this whole situation. Maybe he did not want this to go that far. Perhaps he was encouraged or pushed to do so ??

Froox is a grown man who can make his own decisions lol

Hopefully he comes to the right one

Lol so En deleted all their posts and left? What a little 🐍🐍

Yup he was some kind of snitch lol

You can easily spot them lol they ain’t fooling anyone

Clearly got nothing better to do

I feel like it explains the hostility towards me.

Lol how sad and pathetic

You gotta understand that when you are being mocked and looked down ppl tend to be more careful, tho I don't think ppl are hostiles towards you ;)

I think Froox and his team all reinforce each other's belief, and their belief is that it's ok to scam ncr holders because they think they can collude with their community loud enough to get everyone to point a finger at Karel and the public won't question it

Most people here have been great and have helped me understand where they see things going. I've enjoyed having the discussion. :)

It requires a lot of mental gymnastics to make this situation look good on their side - After all Karel is the one trying to fulfill the vision of the original whitepaper where ncr played a major part and he's a founding partner of the company and has been working on this with Froox from 2014(??). That's why the active pr campaign is needed, Company takeover just because they don't like the business guy and failing to respect the original, promised vision of Neos needs a lot of effort to make it spin positively on their end

They are convinced that all crypto brings is evil, it makes things easier. Plus spending all of your time surrounded by ppl reinforcing and backing you, makes you think you have the moral high ground

That's too bad.. Most of the teams behind projects that power crypto do not show any reluctance, in fact they are 100% supporting their tokens

Indeed this drama is their holy grail

mainstream narratives change at the drop of a hat sometime. until recently people didn't even care and then overnight its a major political issue and obsession on twitter

which caused the resurgence of old arguments that had already been hashed out on the bitcointalk forums like a decade ago

We are still under the radar

This drama is still unpopular

For now

tinfoil hat time: I feel the wave of crypto articles that all came out at the same time criticising the energy usage could be governments wanting to posture the public against something they eventually want to ban

or not

This is off topic but yeah we should go back to the stone age then. If we manage to maintain such a high quality of life it's not by some genius progress. Everything we achieved was the result of our massive consumption of energy. People want to reduce enrergy consumption without reducing their quality of life. That's a joke at some point.

The famous ecological / energy concerns are really getting some hypocrite uses

The whole mainstream ESG consensus is nonsense, and we are seeing the effects of that policy on reduced energy security now with Russia-Ukraine. Realistically, natural gas and nuclear are our only options to reduce carbon emissions while maintaining current standards of living and economic activity. EROEI on solar and wind are nowhere close where they need to be.

So ya..i dont take seriously any of the MSM ESG criticism against crypto. It's all bullshit. That's not even mentioning the bad faith fallacy in targeting crypto for energy usage but no other activity.

Reactant deleted his twitter. He was getting legal threats like "cant wait to take your house from you"

of course people are going to be upset when they witness someone trying to sleazily scam people like Neos team is.

but legal threats and people's financial wellbeing arent really adequately summed up with "peeps be emotional"

oh.. discord furries threatened him??

I just don't get threats at all. :(

yeah, he's been getting threats but also in the discord people have talked about how they can get revenge somehow

Oh I would love Neos to bring a suit against Reactant and open themselves up to discovery 🤣

Would be an incredible self-own

I don't know how Reactant would feel but I hope he's still out there on our side

Jakobu on the discord spreading lies as usual

saying the plugin in the way to make "everyone happy" as if he's ever talked in good faith to anyone who cares about NCR.

shame I really like the game he supposedly translated

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For plugins etc I was thinking, if NCR is supposed to be a base currency for multiple environments outside of just neosVR you'd want to develop a fast simple API that allows for adding it as the currency and for expanding to future options down the road like nft potentials etc. There are a lot of people who keep mentioning ncr going beyond neosvr. Finding a way to do that integration earlier rather than later seems like the smart move. Kind of the "eat your own dogfood" mentality that companies in the hosting industry did by putting their websites on their own systems to show efficacy. But as a lot of people have also pointed out I over think things.

ncr isnt made for other environment which is the hard part. making API is a minor problem here.

hmm im not sure I understanded right, but there are tokens that acts as mother currency in many p2e games. It needs very strong partnership between them.
NCR doesnt have any power now but being a universal currency between multiple metaverses is really indeed facinating idea.

yeah they are ideologically fueled. When they can do that it makes it easy to justify fucking over thousands of people

thats a good point. I don't know of he sold all then though. Or even if he sold or was just saying that he did to save face

keep in mind on the discord they were mocking people for losing money

so its easy to just say you sold

It’s the first time I ever back a project by investing and get mocked by the community

either way if he sold I don't think he turned his back on the holders or maliciously told then to hold. I think many of us were nieve to think the devs might want to treat us well

its the first time I backed a project that the developers want to ruin willfully

NCR is my first rugpull lol

Its really strange, like “hi sir, I have an idea and I want support to bring it to life”
Me “ok lets do this”
Months later “loooooool look at you losing money you capitalist $@#%

I think its stupid that purposefully inflamatory trolling speech was called "opinion" and allowed to fester in the discord

and us speaking against it was smirked at by thr devs

Its a shame, look idk fully what is going on behind the scene but so far I see Karel trying to fix what is happening and start on a better term but keeps getting shutdown by the team and the community and with the same breath they accuse him of not trying to fix it, makes no sense

we got our first look behind the scenes with the leakes meeting notes

and the meeting notes made it look lile Karel was very aware of company business and involved

it seems like disagreements with two specific devs turned into a "youre with us or against us" internal movement

Besides that there are mods who left cause they saw the inside job orchestrated against ncr, things are starting to add up, honestly I was very angry at froox but after the clarification it seems that there were other people pulling froox to do what he did, at first he rejected but now.. you see what is happening

I think Karel was socially not in their circle is all

That is a big problem, you can’t have that if you want to be anywhere near successful

I don't know what to think of Froox fully but he lets others speak for him.

He's never said anything simple like "to all NCR holders dont worry I have your back" or anything like that I can find

From my understanding there are certain groups who dont want neos to be a place for everyone, this is not good for them on the long term and neos will just fade into irrelevance and most likely die out

like something inbetween the constant passive aggressive attitude of the devs and outrise shitslinging of the community

Luis talk about it elsewhwre

Mate don’t be like that, no need for spam

some people want it to be a furry game andnplace for cybersex and tbh thats perfectly fine

But it can be that and also be a place for other groups

Its fine, no one will say anything about it, people gravitate towards what they like and they will find their groups, but this mob mentality of don’t let anyone else enjoy it is really killing neos, when you make a world where people can do anything and be anything you dont shut people down for doing exactly that

its hard to know the devs true intent so I dunno.

it can be a social issue as furries tend to be insular and clique-ish

Thing is theres a mix of contradicting info being shared and some just stick with one narrative before seeing the full picture or verifying the facts

I dont think they see it as gatekeeping but I have been asked repeatedly "do you even play VR?" like some gotcha where theh think I'm only in it for money. And anyone who is only in it for money it should be clear that is perfectly fine. Members pf thr devs and mods should have been open about that.

I know many kind furries from other sites like flist but I have felt an outsider in places like SL and othrr RP communities. I should rephrase. Furries are not insular... small online fandoms are

Man I hopped in to check neos out (I’m not a frequent vr user) I was welcomed by a furry mod and aside from the licking he was very helpful, showed me around, taught me cool stuff and introduced me to couple of devs, it was nice and no one shamed the other, no one cared to do so, so its not out of the ordinary for everyone to go along with others, its this premeditated hostility that is just ruining it

I dont think that is the major issue though. It is bad timing as most young people hate crypto and NFTs etc. So they see the people they hate inside their chat and want to engage them. I think this carried over into how thr devs felt too.

I understand. And I felt the hostile reactions made it worse and then I started being treated like one of those people just for the pump. From the moment I opened my mouth.

yeah, openseas is a platform causing much grief and I will agree the art NFT hype is mostly nonsense

and furries are very in-tune with ongoing social issues

damn I am sorry.

I wish people realized many of those to-the-moon types are not native english speakers and tend to be not very well educated...

they arent worthy to argue with

they are also probably struggling in some way and easily confused

It goes both ways

when things are tense and developers are acting vague

to see people calling for NCR removal weeks ago feels really violent in a way

and also if you are one of the people defending crypto there you have 7 or 8 people @ ing you with angry messages you have to defend against

I think no one there knows what its like to be on the opposite side of an echo chamber

you buy into something on a friendly website and then the community is attacking you.. it feels really wrong.

Keep in mind as well:

Devs were saying sometimes "the issue with Karel isnt related to NCR" several times. That got people to hold waiting to hear more. We had no concrete idea they wanted to remove NCR.

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I've been running a startup for 5 years and had a similar experience to karel. I will tell the story based on my experience. I've seen in this case the typical early members who ruin startups. They are usually 1-2 out of 10 people and they are very resistant when a startup gets an investment or when a company upgrades to a successful business.
Usually, they try to block the growth of the company because of their greed, find out the company's weaknesses and attack them. And they spread bad things about the company, and they put company members on their side. And they offer the company a deal.

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Interesting, from your experience what was the idea behind blocking the growth? I understand the greed part but what makes them hinder the growth if growth is what causes the company to be come more profitable?

I heard that karel fired one person at the end of last year. Crucially, that gave them a plausible reason for the strike, and it seems they're getting other employees to join in kicking out karel. Of course, there will be many personal reasons for each. However, in the case of NeosVR, it is absurd that the CTO is on their side, not the CEO. And the way they're trying to kick the CEO out would be terrifying. This is a very rare case.

Cause it seems contradicting

neos case is interesting.. cus they dont want profit. i dunno why.... some kind of negativity at capital

something like passion is only value for them....

they want money too. Thats just feel good posturing that furries and children like to hear. Karel is the moneyman and everyone else are the "creatives"

they were PISSED at Karel buying NCR with ETH. they wanted the ETH but didnt want to accept any NCR.

please share more of your knowledge.

I said the company's growth, but I'd be more precise about the company's sustainability. The CEO strives for the sustainability of the company, even if he makes mistakes. But they are not interested in it, they are only interested in what they want to do and their salary. Every company has rules to follow. Even if you don't fill out an out-of-company NDA, you shouldn't do things that common sense shouldn't do. However, in order to achieve their goals, they spread bad words both inside and outside the company by any means and methods.

I think you are right, but I think they are oppertunistic and using this mild drama to oust karel.

It is unacceptable for any reason to damage the company's reputation by spreading internal affairs outside the company.

Are they negotiating? Will there be a good result?

maybe....

The most important thing is that historically, Karel and Frooxius would agree on big decisions, but since November, his decisions became unilateral very frequently.

There were major grievances in December.
- Unpaid devs requesting pay and getting accused of blackmail (Karel agrees on this one).
- Karel unilaterally decided to spent $40m on buybacks instead of putting money into development.
- Karel unilaterally decided to end the ICO with staking.
- Karel unilaterally deciding to fire Nexulan & Frooxius didn't find out until patreon meeting.
- Karel unilaterally deciding to hire someone outside the company, instead of giving a contract to a current team member (noone on the team has contracts)

I have asked the staff twice not to run harmful bulletin boards as there are many newcomers to the neosvr discord. But they didn't listen to me and poured out very harmful comments about the company. If you think of neosvr, it should never be like this.

They're both cofounders. It's just a case that pre NCR spike Frooxius had his hands on the steering wheel, but post spike Karel had wrestled his hands onto the steering wheel.
Hence why Frooxius moved out of Karel's mom's attic in December.

yeah

They're in a position to make a lot of money once they manage to kick Karel out, don't be fooled

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not..

I'm not being sarcastic, I don't believe for a second at least some of Frooxius inner circle isn't thinking long term and the potential financial gains of this move

How are they going to make money ? With patreon ? Lol

Karel foud a way to save the company while preventing the loss of ownership and leader ship. But that is still not enough for them, they don't care 🤯🤯

i mean... they dont have revenue stream. Kick Karel out and even when neos get to thrive, dev got nothing. Unless they blackmail for their IP again

They don't need much revenue right now, they got enough funding from Patreon. Neos is still pretty much a product in beta development, if at that even considering the amount of features missing and how vast the roadmap is. What amazes me always is how short term people think

Earlier this year, I posted an article on the neosvr community looking for a project developer, and I was hoping to start a business with neosvr soon. But now the situation is very disappointing.
I also introduced neosvr to a professor at a university because I appreciate its potential as an educational tool. As you can see, neosvr is easier to build results than unity or unreal, and I think it is very suitable for students who want to learn how to simply create avatars and organize 3D spaces on a metaverse. I was mainly in the software development business, but I found that there is a lot of real demand in the education field. So, I also asked someone in the Neos community to give a lecture at school. But now I can't proceed with this any more. It has become very difficult for me to do business with this very potential project now.

But I do know that karel is struggling to keep the project alive despite many difficulties. I hope karel and froox do not delay any longer and come to an agreement. I am at a lot of loss as an ncr holder, but more important than this is the business opportunity with the neosvr project. I don't want to miss this opportunity.

I think there are more business opportunities in BtoB and BtoG business than in game user-oriented BtoC business. In particular, BtoG business can generate profits right away without UI/UX modification. If neosvr operates normally, we can proceed with two business models right away. I want to expand various business opportunities with neosvr in my country. I am eagerly waiting for the new start of neosvr.

You have to understand this can be a lengthy process though

Several universities are receiving a large amount of budget from the government to build a metaverse education system as a future leading project, and I am receiving a proposal from the university for education on metaverse content creation. In particular, professors and college students majoring in design are very interested in building metaverse spaces easily with visual scripts such as logi-x without having to learn difficult grammars such as C# and C++ of unity and unreal.

Neos is at its core a metaverse for everyone - and that's still the core mission of Froox , Karel and the absolute majority of Neos Creators., Those Creators that aren't very vocal on discord or telegram because they spend their lifes building worlds, applications, arts , businesses, doing research etc. etc.
We shouldn't fight amongst eachother - it's about all our futures and our habitats and so it should be one big "US"
US, who want a free space away from big tech giants that attempt to control our lives and habits.
US, who want to do our stuff, be it hanging out with our tribes, playing cryptogames or building the foundations of a free metaverse.
US, pulling on the same string, regardless if we have the same believes or not, so we can all build our homes, spaces and digital selves in freedom and harmony.

Yes I think the process to reach an agreement will not be short. However, I think karel will give feedback during negotiations.

yes i think the same as you I just hope that peace will come soon.

Sorry for not replying for a long time due to lack of time.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-walt-disney-robert-iger-heads-to-the-metaverse-11647259201

The sad reality of this situation is that there is a major industry-wide push to invest in creative social platforms with virtual goods marketplaces. Neos was really the first of its kind in VR, but unless the company is able to quickly move forward as a united team hyper-focused on competing with the larger offerings, I worry they will lose their first-to-market advantage. As Andrea said - I'm pessimistic but hopeful.

Agree

They all good guys, hope neos will have a bright future.

👍

Neos is decentralised, that in itself sets it apart from all these big business trying to do their own metaverses

https://twitter.com/dystopiabreaker/status/1491898299225309199

Keep at it Luckoo, there is an active Edu-Sci group in Neos.

Does anyone know anything about the negotiation?

Thank you. I found the Edu-Sci topic on the neosvr discord. I think it will help a lot.

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A decentralized Metaverse is ideal on paper but in reality, platform accessibility for end-users is always the most critical factor for platform traction - especially early on.

Decentralization is the future and goal, so from the beginning, base layer should be well designed. Though in early days like now, centralize servers is inevitable.

Absolutely, when there's gonna be a mutualy agreed progress, we will share the news. ☺️

Hi Luckoo, can you please DM me with details about your university lead and business idea? Neos is definitelly a great platform for education sector, in fact we work with several schools and insitutes here in the Czech Republic and worldwide. As Konrad said, Neos is a metaverse for everyone at its core. 😊Many thanks.

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Froox has 42% shares, why the saraly is repeated as important things?

If you guys are actively looking for educational institutions to get in touch with I can give you contacts of admins in Paris-Sorbonne (Abu Dhabi)

Because shares can't pay bills

Remember Frooxius said
"– I had a place to live, food and some equipment, so my expenses were almost non-existent. This was considered “salary” a number of times by Karel, but with finances controlled by him (original VC funding, Patreon and other invoices go to Solirax CoreDev s.r.o.), I was dependent on him."

He said this, and Karel agreed that it was true, although obviously damaging to his reputation and NCR's value

Isn't it sad that a codirector, cofounder couldn't gain financial independence when Karel had 10s of millions of dollars in ETH?
ETH that was promised would go to development, but ultimately almost all went to buybacks without Frooxius' consent

But yes, now that you mention it, Karel's defense largely hinged on the notion that Frooxius owned 42% shares. Which is a non-starter argument, because Frooxius wanted to move out of Karel's mom's attic and pay his own rent. Shares can't pay rent.

Hi Kindi, that sounds very interesting indeed, thanks. 👍Possibly would not approach them just at this point, but once the situation settles a bit more, we should be definitely pro-active in this sector - and it will be awesome to have links into an institution like this. Many thanks☺️

https://twitter.com/Jako_Enki/status/1503538395032739840
Read this experience of Karel's misuse of ETH.

Karel - The best thing you can do to make this misappropriation of mint ETH right, is to convert as much NCR to fiat as possible and actually do something with the money that benefits development, as you claimed it would.

I mean froox is a 42% share holder, and he should use legal weapon if he's sure karel's acts undermine the company. Not only discuss some poor saraly.

No worries, you can reach out when the matter is resolved

Going to the courts is expensive and damaging to the brand. Why would you encourage going that far?

To be clear
"– I did request actual salary in the past so I could live on my own, but this was met with hostility, accusations and unreasonable expectations"

Frooxius made this statement. Karel agreed that it was true (although he was obviously upset about how it might be misconstrued). But its still a factual statement.

Karel intentionally made it hard for Frooxius to get a salary. So yes, he could use legal action. But he'd need time and funds. Legal action isn't simple.

got 1600 eth to spend for dev. If he uses this money for now, it will be sufficient enough.
If he doenst use this eth for business, that will not be accepted to many ppl.

After this settles down, NCR will be much higher than now. making NCR fiat now isnt a good option for now.

Right, that would mean he has $4m worth of ETH. Instead of $64m. Since he threw away $60m of it into a speculative token. Which is money that can only come back if there's someone stupid enough to buy NCR. Why would anyone buy NCR when Karel failed to fix the Frooxius salary problem back in November at the initial price spike?

It's a mismanaged token

Noone should want to touch it

Raise investment from $ncr, is key to neos, it's obviously. No money, no future, and there are many competitors. If neos want a success, have to raise fund by $ncr or legacy VCs.

Holder buy $ncr in the concept of invest, as invest, the expectation of profit is reasonable. If $ncr can only be used to buy service from neos, neos will never raise so many eths.

Karel's buyback, is financal action, it's only related with investors and company shareholders. That means, only Karel, Froox and $ncr holder have the right to discuss buyback is rational or not. Dev team can only choose stay or leave, but don't have the right valuate company's actions.

If Karel makes NCR fiat, that is called rugpool. which is not an option. Karel believe in NCR to have much more value later. Actually, there are many who have hopes and u really dont know.
There can be Metaverse hype again, who knows?

Stop talking about the future. In November Karel had $64m ETH, and going forward had conflict with developers. Instead of using ETH to resolve conflicts, especially with his upset cofounder, who moved back into his mom's place in December, he decided to buy into a speculative token, that only has value because of hype about the future. A future that will definitely never ever come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

u do know that Solirax owns most of ncr now? it isnt even possible to sell without market crash.

world isnt that simple

Don't worry, I'm not talking about the Dev team. But Karel ignored Frooxius, and unilaterally made buyback decisions, against his will.

yes, thats where this drama began. But what ur saying is not an useful option now.

It's not a rugpool. The whitepaper says the purpose of the token is to fund development. It would be done to fund development, therefore not a rugpool.

if he sells to make fiat money bro..

Yeah, I know. I'm kind of pointing out how stupid it is to put all your money into something that has zero liquidity.

it could have not if Froox didnt make it dump

Buyback happens when the owner thinks it is super underrated.
It turned out to be wrong decision now, but he kind of didnt know this drama will come to this place.

If I'm karel i would have sold some eth for 5millon cash and deliver to dev team. But now, keep quarreling is useless.

Warren Buffett buybacks every year when the share is underated.

I really don't trust him, considering his decisions. As I invested ETH, having been told it would go to development, I'm pissed.

yeah. we really should keep eye on the left eth where it is spent.

What? A price drop justifies buybacks?
Buybacks aren't justified to begin with. For them to be justified, Karel will have to first solve the problem of Froox' salary.

it happens everywhere. its just super rare to be dumped like this...

Karel should have expected this drama solved first, which ur point is right tho

How dumb for a person to miss the hatred of the team working under him. Can this man be trusted with any future projects? I don't think so. Considering Frooxius moved out due to drama, he should have immediately stop hype and buybacks.

well, if u dont trust him why ur here?

we are all waiting for the negotiation result to come

just wait a little more

Point is he's unfit to run a token

Share buybacks, and buying a speculative token are two different things. It's a huge speculative bubble. There's no underlying marketplace

if CEO thinks his company made token to be speculative token.. thats more wierd.

Right. Assuming everything is going smooth with development, maybe, but from Karel's perspective, he should have known. Or he's clueless and unfit

ncr is speculative token in many aspects, but CEO shouldnt think that way

I'm here to ask Karel to sell his NCR, because that's the only way the ETH I used to mint it can be given meaning. I don't care about my bag anymore. I just want NCR to die correctly.

Frooc thinks NCR as a speculative token which makes him non-respectful for token holders.

he can, but not an option now.

after using 1600 eth, and after this drama settles. could be an option

It's obviously speculative. Unless Karel's braindead, he'd know that. Marketplace still isn't here.

u werent here at November

it was totally different situation at that time

Its like if u didnt know Russia to attack Ukraine, that would be stupid

saying things after happening is easy

If you're talking about Froox and finances, always bear this in mind

yeah.. he doesnt care for his money which I dont care

but he doesnt care NCR holder's money

which is frustrating for token holders

I'm not Karel. You're not Karel. But if you put yourself in his shoes, he's made decisions that should strip him of the right to be a CEO.

kind of agree

but pointless to say now

The person he was, is the person he'll be in the future. I predict more bad mistakes.

Remove $ncr now is impossible, because it will ruin the Solirax, and would affect neos obviously. It's also impossible for the dev team to start a $ncr free version without Solirax's permission.

So why not make consensus as soon as possible. Dev team help Karel build a $ncr eanbled neos metaverse, as a return, team get independent and Solirax pay money to them. Of course, it's not something as SARALY. As the copyright, i think both sizes share the previous codes, and codes developed after hard folk, will owned separately.

If consensus reached, treasury's value will restore, and it's enough for Karel to pay them well. Maybe Karel is untrustful but contract can be made.

If things like now continues, quarreling with previous things endlessly, no one here will get positive results, include dev team.

lets just wait for the announcement,
and u can keep eye on 1600 eth to be spend in a good way

I'm sure you can imagine that. But I can't. I think its a fantasy. Not going to happen. If Karel made huge mistakes in the past, he will continue to make huge mistakes going forward. So, I've given up on NCR recovery. I do think its dead.

We have to solve the divergence with wisdom, not hatred emotion.

Do the seperation, why will Karel's falure in the future will affect others?

I will be very happy if the $4m ETH is spent on development as promised to minters. If only I had hope....

True

Karel manages NCR. It's his gig.

It will I think, but depend on consensus.

Karel and Froox are both at fault. Just keep going in circles trying to blame one or the other. They both whiffed a billion dollar opportunity.

ironically, If Karel succeeds in keeping NCR higher value, many problems get solved also.

more fund, option to use holding NCR for many uses such as marketing etc.

In my view, all the 4m$ eth should send to dev team, under the compromise and siging of some contracts.

Lol fuck the current dev team dude

seems to be middle point for both

Blame won't solve anything, everyone must be realistic.

I know you think that's a good point of negotiation. But in my view, the team view Karel as so very incompetent, that they'll hate to make any compromises at all. Except maybe to turn NCR into a plugin.

there has to be compromise for both tho

I am being realistic. This dev team will never work with Karel again. The only hope for this project long term is for Karel to gain control of the code or the parties agree to fork, and Karel starts over with a new team and set things up the right way.

I know. But Karel's compromise would be to kill NCR. The team's compromise would be to allow Karel to make a plugin as a 3rd party.

This dev team has shown you time and again they either don't care about NCR or actively despise it and crypto in general. Believe them.

3rd party is not a real solution.

Personally, I think even if Karel wins at court, he'll repeat the same mistakes in his next project. You can't run a project if you love your investors and sit with them in a echochamber, while ignoring your devs.

Current divergence most lies on: Crypto guys think the combination with $ncr and neos will make huge success, and make Karel, Froox and dev team and holders be rich. But dev team and Froox can't believe in Karel anymore, and would rather have tight days without $ncr than risk in an adventure with Karel still in control.

So how to bridge this gap, need wisdom of both Karel and dev team.

Alright so why are you here 🤔

I'm not saying it is. I would rather Karel traded his NCR in ETH and put money into development

Put money to where? Not the current dev team. And new dev team is putting cart before the horse until IP dispute is resolved.

cant undetstand what u saying

both only good for dev..

hope to be this way personally

but personal opinions doesnt matter now

"can't believe in Karel anymore". Why should they? In November he seized unilateral control of the project and yet wouldn't give a cut of the fat ETH wallet to his team. Hard to trust a guy like that, right? Maybe they wanted to get rich, but Karel was just too incompetent and acted untrustworthy.

Your thinking is based on speculation of NCR price rise. Team's thinking is based on reality of "none have contracts", "some are unpaid", "cofounder has no salary".

Kibbles, don't take this the wrong way, but ive never seen your name in any of the chats and we have had 🐍🐍 from the discord come in here deliberately under fake names trying to act "neutral" but really to spread FUD and constantly repeating the 3rd party solution. So I'm taking everything you say with a huge grain of salt and suggest everyone else do the same.

I feel a grievance toward Karel because when I minted my NCR, I believed the ETH was going to development. He indicated that it would, but never specified "development' = "buybacks"

Had a suspicion it might be the case

there was specified buyback actually

I stat the fact, that dev team didn't trust Karel. But you repeating the reason cause it in your view. It is out of the question, and quarreling such things, is NO USE to solve problem.

Yes the current dev team. When I bought my NCR, that's where I thought it would go. I trusted Karel, but was stupid. I don't care if they're furries or whatever, I just want this mistake corrected

Karel doesn't deserve a good outcome at this stage

Ok 👍 you've made your point boss

And you want to ruin Karel meanwhile drag everyone be buried with the dead? If Solirax insist, foorx can't start a new neos. The only thing leave will be endless law suit.

I don't remember that. What I do remember is Karel saying to me in DMs... Actually I'll check to get the quote right... "thank you so much for minting so much NCR. We couldn't develop Neos without awesome supporters like you."

Okay, this is a DM from Karel, it encouraged me to mint more NCR, because I believed I was critical to development. Bullshit.

I'm astonished, that someone with hatred, would rather both Karel and Froox get bankrupt, and $ncr go to ZERO, and neos come to an end. To cure their wounded heart...

Post the screenshot of the DM buddy

Let's see your discord handle

Okay. I respect your view, but I am trying to honestly communicate my feelings.

🐍

Ya it's the usual suspects. Kobu, khosumi, leet, etc.

Not necessarily. I think there are ways forward. But he can't be a CEO in my view.

The folks who have never been able to keep away and can't bear to see the crypto folks have their own space for discussion

🐍🐍🐍🐍

Post screenshot of the supposed DM with Karel or leave dude

This underhanded shit is so goddamn pathetic

Lol pathetic 🐍

Random new name that's never been in the chats but somehow knows and repeats all the same talking points from the discord.... hmmmmm

I don't doubt the DM itself, the whole point is to show your discord handle

That makes sense. I figured Karel's stance on minting as being critical to development was widely enough known such that my history with Karel would be super unsurprising. If people can understand that I believe in this game and I feel I was deceived, then they'll understand why I want Karel held accountable for lying about how the ETH was used.

Look, I don't know about whether they'll go bankrupt, so you're suggesting my opinions based on the assumption that I've researched their finances.

To be clear: I want the game to succeed. That's not to say I didn't have hopes for NCR. Actually, I only just lost my hope today. Now I believe NCR is dead, purely because of Karel's mishandling of it.
But my hope is that even without NCR, the game will receive necessary funding.

Also, your concern about my motives is clear, but I present you with facts about the drama that you were not aware of previously.
For example, I corrected your claim that Frooxius owning shares means that he has no valid reason to seek a salary. Good to keep your information factual.

And as for motives, my motive is to communicate to Karel, that I have a grievance, as someone who sent him ETH in the past, based on the lie that ETH supports development.

It's not balanced if only anti Frooxius NCR holders are talking to him.

怎么了？咋又失望了

Kibbles, just stop with the trolling

Don't waste hours on trying to cause more divide, not good for you mate. Even though you might have a lot of freetime, don't waste it

You think so?
I genuinely believe it's the reverse at this stage. Karel runs NCR, and has been mismanaging it. NCR has become like a cancer in the game, and everyone thinks it needs to be cut out. Why not just use ETH or some other crypto token?
It would be great if someone other than Karel ran NCR, but his historical ties to it makes it seem unlikely anyone competent would offer to do that.

Technically the reduction in Patreon funds is a combination of -
a: People that bought Patreon for the NCR bonus, and don't want it anymore
b: People that don't like Karel because he's incompetent as a CEO

You need a legal case or the courts will just toss it

Is that how it came off? From my perspective, I'm just explaining why NCR is a dead token using the facts available.
Okay, there's opinion in there too. But I'd love to hear your case for why a newcomer should want to pay market rate for NCR.

It's rather obvious 😅

You already have your side chosen and are clinging hard to it, no fact, other perspective or anything really, can throw you off from it so no point in it. Keep touting ncr is dead coin, but don't waste hours of your day on it

In the end what we say here doesn't really matter much, this is in the hands of Karel and Frox

I wonder what gives me the motivation to express these grievances. You suggest because I'm pushing for divide. But it's more the fear of delusion. I want to get to what is true and what isn't. Have statements in this Telegram deluded Karel, or has Karel deluded this Telegram? Is it a combination of the two?
In any case, I hope that by presenting a more objective analysis of what's going on, Karel will be more likely to recognise that he was a failure of a CEO, and that he killed NCR.

/facepalm

But there aren't really two sides at the end of the day. Or rather, their aren't two valid side. If one side is truth and the other delusion, then there's no point acting like choosing truth makes me biased.

Kibbles, please, your ramblings here have the opposite effect you wish they're having

I agree. It's not realistic to think I can change the outcome, but to understand the reality more accurately can't hurt.

Well you've gone off the rails on your journey it seems but it's fun how you're trying to portray yourself as a neutral seeker of truth 😅

When all you're doing is driving your agenda, like the echo chamber in discord has been for 3 months now

Not at all. By honestly expressing my views, I am starting to better learn yours.

Is it you, Ja Kobu Enki?

yes he is kk

It will be interesting to see how this issue will be resolved

Yes. I am driving my agenda aren't I? Trying to put a magnifying glass on my own grievances, without considering those of others.

And I don't dispute your calling the discord an echo chamber. Rumours fly around, but that doesn't mean hard facts can't be established.

Could you summarize all your researched hard facts in one message with bullet points for us all to see? Let's see what you got

Seems someone empty his $ncr, then add fuel to the flames. Don't piss Karel off, it won't bring any positive effect for neos and everyone else. Karel is CEO, and if Solirax take a long law suit, nobody can have a happy end, except those who want neos totally ruined.

Tease Karel is not a funny thing, maybe you are not sure whether he can bring neos to success, but it's sure he can suspend neos and no one can do anything further. And froox will in a tight life for a long time also.

It's obvious seperation is unavoidable, so why not let us help Karel, Froox and dev team, focus on work out a solution, gap the disagreement, and reach a win-win consensus as soon as they can. And save both $ncr and original neos.

This Ja Kobu guy is one pathetic individual has to get a life like seriously

Sad little 🐍

24/7 on the discord and twitter like they think their opinions matter and will change anything 😂

Hilarious to watch him spin his wheels

Its so obvious

Sad

yeah kk
and they know nothing about commercial law really.... just kids

I think people dont realize that with startups, people dont really always get the luxury of a salary. especially when the company isn't even making a profit yet or has a working business model.

it seems froox relies on this idea when people say him getting free room and board is considered salary.

I think the "salary" part is just a miscommunication or maybe some argumentative talk... and secondly I think years of free rent is not something to scoff at.

if you dont want the startup life, then get a dayjob

It doesnt sound like anyone was missing any meals but what do I know.

The issue was the dependency on Karel. At minimum the perceived dependence

the accusation is that Karel kept froox wingclipped and unable to get out on his own

None

something like that afaik

it was perceived as that by at least some of the dev team and that seems to be what matters

yeah. it can be perceived many ways, one angle is that froox was getting free room and board

I just want to know if the project is still active

But that is all irrelevant as he was held "hostage" to produce all that code, at least how the dev team thinks of it now

guess its up to interpretation. I do take issue with it being considered so horrible though, but I guess that's because I feel Ive been in much harsher situations and the exaggerated reaction feels coddling abit

yeah it seems like a spin.. I shouldnt make assumptions

though I think I remember spmething being said aboit karel offered to buy froox a house

I don't know about that

or maybe Im imagining that

It was something like, talk about it being possible but no one ever followed through

I think Karel considered funds to be a part pf the company war chest

and maybe the devs thought it was supposed to go to then

The project isn't dead yet. It's just that the CEO and CTO are agreeing on an important issue.

I just don't understand why both parties decided to destroy this once in a life time chance to be a market leader in something. Like becoming that big tech company running the one and only metaverse that can hold a candle to what Oasis was in Ready Player One

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What's that and what relevance does this have?

In my short time interacting with the devs, they seem like they are full of themselves, very argumentative and love the smell of their own farts

thanks i'm a long term investor so i haven't updated for a long time thank you for the info

I think they just thought kicking Karel out was gonna be easy.

group-think took over and also ideology where many devs want to be a part of the popular anti-crypto discourse.

Too bad as a share holder in a company, no one can be simply kicked out of that company. The actual thing they could do is to step down and issue their shares to the other holder. But none of the two is going to do that

I think communication could have solved all of this. So I think issues were deep and honestly I think crypto related.

I do think at thr core of this dispute is a desire to make Neos a non-crypto project

I am very sorry to hear that. I am also at a very big loss in ncr.

I think maybe Karel came on too strong too, after the token's success alot of the devs were shocked when he hired Andrea and they felt an outsider was being brought in

where as before everyone is froox's friend

I thought the way they tried to kick karel out was very aggressive.

of course this is all my imagination

of course it is. They lowkey set up the discord to be a astroturfed karel hate central

Karels biggest mistake was not building more of a relationship with his core dev team and selling them on his vision for NCR

All of this bullshit could have otherwise been avoided

It was as if they were united by defining karel as evil.

its hard to educate against the strong ideologies people have now. Many of the devs and furries in general have this attitude lile hating money makes them a good person

or nvm im starting to rant... just woke up

The staff I've seen on the Discord channel seem to be pursuing a totalitarian neosvr who wants total control.

well NeosVR will either be a metaverse or it will be abother SecondLife with limits and some lindenlabs lording over it

They seem to believe that they are heading towards the Neosvr utopia through the removal of karel and ncr.

they want to remove karel and then start blasting on social media that they removed crypto

least thats my impression

Hello everyone, here is my statement on the current situation. Thank you for your support, we'll get through this. 💛

i will see it

i think long time ncr will up

They resist hiring new people and changing systems through huge capital inflows, and it seems that a few people are trying to monopolize the current power in neosvr

furries seem to be really obsessed with anticrypto drama and I think they think if they do this itll bring in this wave of furries wanting to support then

theyve said they can run Neos on patreon alone

which I dunno how you can pay 12 ppl on 30k a month and maintain the infrastructure but whatever

Is that possible? Now a lot of people in patreon have also left.

their ethos is "we are creatives and we dont care about money"

also many of then have nice paying jobs or live at home

Neos is a hobby project and I dont think it moves very fast

It sounds ridiculous to me that they don't care about money.

part of the issue was Karel started posting milestones and talking about hiring new people, and that upset them

its easy to have that attitude when people praise you for it and you already live relatively cushy

like Im sure thr Neos devs are all relatively well-off

They said ncr wasn't the problem and the pay wasn't the problem, but that was part of the drama.

yeah they kept changing it. Theyd say "that isnt the issue" but then complain about it nonstop and shill the complaint to their community

to constantly keep people guessing what was wrong

"ncr isnt the issue" but in reality it was an issue

same with pay.. seems the issue was Karel acting like a CEO

They didnt realize someone was in thr background with their sleeves rolled up working hard on the financials of everything

and when he emerged and started airing plans they got all anal retentive over it

On Discord, they seemed to be trying to manipulate public opinion in their own way. And it seemed that they were wrapping themselves up as people who were morally superior and didn't care about money.

maybe. fuck if I know

I wonder how they'll do, if they have no one to run their financials. I guess they hope for magic Patreon money, but they'll have to have a normal day job then

who knows. theyll try to act like a victim and expect sympathy patreons

or shill how theyre anticrypto heroes who "need your help to do the right thing"

They were like selfish children without gratitude.

and that'd be fine but like children they think its OK to pull innocent token holders into this drama and discard them like stale leftovers

the fact they are hand-waving away the fact theyre fucking over thousands of people really shows what their thoughts are like

upper middleclass coddled children living at home think in those terms

fuck sorry Im pissed but those slimeballs are just so absurd

and tbh I dont even think theyde good at their job. Theyre merely froox's friends

Froox might be the only one worth a damn

but I'm making assumptions

and to be clear, the "third party ncr" idea is ABSOLUTELY fucking over token holders brutally

if NCR is some third party disassociated joke of a token, it will go to less than a penny. that is certain

I wish everyone on the team were fired except for froox.

they know that but they want to peddle it like a trojan horse. They only want third party NCR becauss it means they have to make zero concessions. literally do zero work

I know karel and froox have dedicated several years to keep neosvr alive. Looking at the tweets from karel and froox, it was clear that they were going through a very difficult time.
However, the team members seem to misunderstand neosvr as having a large stake in it. They seem to believe they can control neosvr.

I dunno. I wish they'd get over their petty drama and try to get along and have professional barriers. But at this point after how Ive seen everyone on the discord being treates, Id rathe Karel just take full control of NeosVR

because it absolutely has gotten personal

to me atleast

I really agree with your opinion.

they are overly willing to financially ruin people and shrug about it, so I don't feel bad if they lose the project they worked on

and Karel actually gives a damn about us

he was willing to show he cared and showed he valued NCR holders more than ETH holders.

I was stunned to see them mock the crypto ppl who lost a lot of money.

to correct you, I dont care about the token price day to day. I care that they are willing to drop us like garbage.

if NCR went to a penny naturally, Id accept that...

but its going there not naturally, because the devs are malicious. simple as.

this isn't a case of poor investment or being financially irresponsible. its a case of NCR being sold for 4 years as a part of Neos and then to cravenly back out and point fingers like children

yeah. I mean I thought they could hide it better but in recent days they've gone full mask-off about it.

make no mistake theyre getting off on it.

I learned by watching them how cruel humans can be to achieve their goals.

they can barely keep their passive aggressive gloating to themselves.

and they pretend like Karel is the one who's vile

night and day difference in how they act. Karel actually talks to us, not just their ingroup

if I tried to share my concerns to a dev they'd just mock or argue with me

anyway I'll shut up because I've flooded the chat. Just sore about it

I want to make this analogy. They were like dictators, with a powerful weapon called neosvr code in one hand and a public opinion control tool called discord in the other hand trying to get rid of all who interfered.

I think neosvr is very good, but just because they contributed some code to make neosvr shouldn't be a monopoly on neosvr. They wanted to get rid of karel, left reactant who contributed a lot to neosvr, and rejected many people who invested in neosvr favorably.

I think "dictators" is too strong...imo they are just acting like spoiled children. They had someone take care of all the administrative and financial shit while they developed their toy game in their free time. And then NCR pops off out of nowhere, giving Karel more leverage to voice his opinion on development and project runmap. And they threw a hissy fit that this "outsider" was telling them what to do.

As for the pay issue, we don't know how those conversations went. But from outsider perspective, I see the devs suddenly demanding pay after NCR price suddenly went up without ever caring or contributing to NCR for years (like developing a marketplace). Karel probably had his own demands in exchange for that pay given the new investor interest, and now they're calling it "hostility" from him. The same way they have maliciously mischaracterized every little thing Karel has said or done throughout this mess.

There will be nothing around them, and in the end they will regret the past and become miserable.

well said.

Like these devs were sitting back and agreeing with and cultivating this crypro-hate channel in discord, basking in the comfort of popular opinion while throwing the funders under the bus

so when they start demanding money after sabotaging the very thing that produced it, it makes for an absurd scenario

I am very disappointed to read your article. They seem to be very emotional, and they seem like people who do anything to achieve a purpose.

I remember Geenz throwing a fit publicly because Karel was trading ETH for NCR. It was obvious they REALLY wanted that ETH and wanted nothing to do with their project's native token.

I was also angry about the ETH being traded for NCR (the buyback) as it was literally burning funding for Neos. At least what I thought

we don't know much but we know the meltdown happened really fast because I lookes at the December meeting leak and it looked surprisingly productive and Karel seemed aware of things that were happening and in control of his side of things

I'm not in agreement with it either but I think it was a massive miscalculation

alot happened and I think Karel made a gambit

We don't care about ncr but we want its benefits

🙈

we did not know november would be a peak for crypto markets

so if we had a crystal ball, all the ETH would be exchanged for USDC or something at that moment

I think it might have stayed at around $8, if there wasn't that announcement after which NCR tanked

but maybe Karel thought it coupd appreciate in value

If like everyone had stayed silent about any disagreement they had currently

and I think Karel was trying to manage things so as to get NCR listed on exchanges

It was that and I think NCR whales in the discord could see commentary by the devs and started to think "the devs dont like their own token.. I dont feel comfortable holding this"

I was feeling that way the whole time

it was always in the back of my mind when I saw how the devs acted and rubbed shoulders with the community. I was always thinking NCR might be in reallu bad hands and that was the correct thought

I see quite the divided community. There is the community that avoids Neos, because there is crypto involved. Another community who just joined Neos because they have NCR. And another community, who doesn't care

I believe the team is very passionate about Neos. ☺️
They have truly dedicated their life to Neos' cause in some instances and naturally for a lot of them, it is very hard to distinguish between work & leisure.

That can be unfortunately problematic as things can very quickly become personal. I know there is a lot of public shaming right now - largely coming from a place of emotion. I am not excusing that as this should be handled with much more professionalism but it is important to understand their perspective and motivations as it will be important in any negotiation.

This is not a winner-loser game.
We need to learn what that is which Frooxius and the team really want - what is their true motivation. That will make a deal possible and realistic.
It’s like that story of two kids and an orange - both kids wanted the orange, arguing, so eventually they split it, failing to realise that one wanted only the fruit to eat and the other only the peel for baking.

In this case as in many others, a deal is made possible because each side wants different things.
The negotiation process can then ideally try to accommodate that. ☺️

…We have a saying in Czech “vlk se nažere a koza zůstane celá” translated literally as “to give to wolf his feed and keep the goat whole” - meaning - you try to arrive to a mutually pleasing solution without making much sacrifice. 🐐

I am unfortunately prolly contributing to the divide

He seems to be the one cursing karel. I responded to froox's tweets and he continued to slander karel in response to my replies.

It seems Neos team wants to make no compromises though. They are pushing terrible and lazy terms as the only solution they will accept.

they want to abandon NCR as third party, then tell us to go away and die

their lazy, ill-thought out "ncr will be a third party plugin" takes no effort from them and is certain death to all holders. They know its garbage terms and will lead to NCR going to zero, but they are trying to forcr it as the only solution

I am amazed at their obsession with karel. I just hope that there are few people like enkii n neosvr.

Karel should not capitulate to these slimey, fucked up, lazy and malicious terms from Froox

You have many emotions. Need to be patience

NCR is a part of Neos, first party, and the devs have been trying to throw it in the dumpster like an unwanted baby

i found ncr at the first day of listing on coingecko was arround 0.30 then until i managed to arrange 5k the price went up to 9 already , i fomo in because i didnt wanted to miss the chance as i missed on cryptomines when i found it at 0.5 but every day went up 50% and waiting for a correctin that never came and the price in 3 month went to 800 per coin lol, so i entered in ncr at 9, today after all the drama and telenovela of the team the price is at 0.3 again and my 5k wort 200 dollars, so my question is why investors are not buy now at least 500 to get 10k + ?

lmao enki from the annunakis?

FOMO was certainly what the scammers abused to make some quick bucks and even Karel fell for it, when he issued the buy back. I really hope that this "re-investment" into NCR pays out in the future

for my opinion all this drama was created in purpose to sell their coins, dump the price and create panic in investors so the price dump more and they can buy all back again and make a big bag again, and by the way they get more liquidity for future exchanges

People are very emotional. Karel and I, we both value everyone who has supported, bought NCR and still holds. Insane as it might seem right now. The team may have perhaps temporarily forgotten and now they are making our lives rather difficult, but they do not have the unilateral power to make that decision. So hence I remain calm and prepare for the future. Cause from that point it can only go up☺️

Yeah, I believe in you guys. Truly. In the leaked meeting notes I thought you were a natural fit with everyone. It seemed like an amazing meeting.

Excuse me. I don't know if I can ask you this question, but is there any progress in the negotiations between karel and froox?

I will say this: I fully support a decision to go to court over it. I do not think the other side will offer worthwhile compromises.

Its not my place to say, but I think many here also support and stand behind Karel fighting this to the end for the future we can all be a part of.

litigation is often the only thing that works with some ppl

They are drunk on hubris from their echo chamber. They don't want to bargain in good faith it seems.

Oh all the meetings we amazing. Only they got gradually maybe "too amazing" hahaha. But in all seriousness. I was always treated nicely by everyone. And I had super high hopes. That is why I am very sad that it had to get to this point. But then again. It is what it is. You learn, you move on. Future is far too exciting to sit on Discord and moan about things. Do or die. That is what it takes 😁

why we arent buying ncr now at this low price ?

Could you tell me where I can find the leaked meeting notes?

if we get to the ath again every $183 that we invest now we will get 5.5k at ath

dunno if they can be shared here. it was on Twitter

Thank you. We see that. And we absolutelly appreciate that. ❤️Every time I get a message from someone expressing their support, it makes me forget the whole ugliness of the situation and just focus on our mission.

All right. I'll look for it, Thank you.

I'm passionate about this and will always be involved because I've been treated well by you both

and many others here

I recently re-bought my NCR position. For people who believe there is hope for this project, this is absolutely the time to get in. As Andrea said - it can only go up from here and I think it will with or without the blessing of the developers.

I think it would be unethical for Neos to move forward without NCR, especially with how much the crypto community believed in the project and backed it financially. The ICO has been a foundational part of the project and was clearly supported by even Froox and the devs before the parabolic run in December. A quick scan through the Discord chatlogs corroborates that.