• 09 March 2022 (141 messages)
  • @Faisal6362 #4816 01:32 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Karel when can new website be expected
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #4812 #4817 02:04 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Keep an eye on the announcements of the main discord. Any progress you hear from anybody is just hearsay unless it is confirmed by froox's team
  • @baggioblue #4818 02:07 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    froox's team? lmao
  • @5246786979 #4819 02:07 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    None
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #4818 #4820 02:08 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Yes. Considering the team majorly work with him and are managed by him
  • @baggioblue #4821 02:08 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    froox ruin so many people's life stupid ma
  • @sharkmare0001 #4822 02:09 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Have you considered not putting more money into something that you are able to lose?
  • @baggioblue ↶ Reply to #4820 #4824 02:10 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    IMO u R NOT RIGHT
  • @baggioblue ↶ Reply to #4822 #4825 02:10 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    I CAN AFFORD ,SORRY
  • @baggioblue #4826 02:10 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    JUST ANGRY ABOUT A STUPID AND selfish shitman
  • @5186940309 #4828 02:11 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Please stop the name calling. Angry or not about someone, we don't want more fighting.
  • @baggioblue #4829 02:11 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    things should move on
  • @BlueCyro #4830 02:11 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    I agree. And they will
  • @baggioblue #4834 02:14 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Technology is always improving, and development teams can only stay ahead if they continue to develop
  • @baggioblue #4836 02:16 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Metaverse has a very good opportunity, and neos vr also has huge potential. It has the opportunity to become a world-class platform, and it will also be a business opportunity with a market value of several billions.
  • @baggioblue #4837 02:17 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    If the team is too short-sighted, it will only be eliminated.
  • @baggioblue #4838 02:17 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    things change fast
  • @sharkmare0001 #4839 02:18 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    You do realize that "your working conditions dont matter because if you just shut up and work you will get more money" is a really bad take right?
  • @5246786979 #4840 02:19 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    is carl here
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #4840 #4841 02:19 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Who is that?
  • @5246786979 #4842 02:20 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    administrator
  • @baggioblue #4843 02:20 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    the leader
  • @Cadylk #4844 02:20 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    carlos
  • @baggioblue #4845 02:21 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    the man who can save $NCR
  • @sharkmare0001 #4846 02:23 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Carl is only in the discord server
    Here you only got Karel
  • @Cadylk ↶ Reply to #4847 #4848 02:23 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    correct
  • @Cadylk #4850 02:23 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    it means "Free man"
  • @Cadylk #4853 02:24 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    💪💪
  • @5246786979 ↶ Reply to #4845 #4855 02:28 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    can he save it
  • @1297484655 #4856 02:59 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Why does the ceo stop talking? Can you tell us the current progress and the follow-up plan?
  • @1605300514 #4857 03:03 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    None
  • @Khosumi #4858 03:06 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Carl, Carlos, Karal, Karen. How many times can Karel's name be messed up lol
  • @sharkmare0001 #4859 03:07 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    My phone still insists it's Karen when i type it
  • @Khosumi #4860 03:07 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Kek
  • @1297484655 #4861 03:08 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Monitor whether there is good news at any time so as to buy more NCR
  • @5246786979 ↶ Reply to #4856 #4863 03:15 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    please ceo
  • @5246786979 #4864 03:17 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    ceo said there to be weekly talk with team tell cto to increase price
  • @mLehmk #4865 03:18 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    That is not how it works
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #4864 #4867 03:24 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Prices of crypto are determined by how their targetted market of people feels. Or by massive artificial buybacks. Either-or
  • @kadena_pad #4868 04:27 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    None
  • @1171169108 #4871 05:55 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    None
  • @Readun ↶ Reply to #4869 #4873 06:02 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    ohoh... There will be so many wanna be people to get into that...
  • @sharkmare0001 #4874 06:06 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Any of yall up to chill iin neos
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #4869 #4875 08:00 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    That's pretty hilarious
  • @vilkpub #4877 08:07 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    gotta knock out taxes before i can hop on again xp
  • @Khosumi #4881 10:12 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    we've been saying that...
  • @Khosumi #4882 10:13 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    We were told we were fudding. so.
  • @cqclove2 #4883 10:14 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    gm
  • @Faisal6362 #4885 10:17 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Ironically enough now would be a decent time to buyback price is in toilet
  • @Khosumi #4886 10:18 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    unfortunately, the liquidity is gone
  • @Faisal6362 #4887 10:18 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Yep
  • @Khosumi #4889 10:55 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Welcome to the club
  • @sharkmare0001 #4890 10:56 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    I still dont understand why he thought it was a good idea to bring up Froox's mother, that was just generally gross
  • @gwaland #4892 11:04 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    None
  • @Khosumi #4894 11:12 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    That's literally what froox suggested
  • @Khosumi #4895 11:12 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Did you not read his announcement
  • @Khosumi #4897 11:14 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    well he already said so, because he believes neos and NCR to be completely unseparatable
  • @Khosumi #4898 11:14 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    so he's willing to risk throwing everything to the ground if he don't get to keep neos
  • @Khosumi #4900 11:15 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Well yes that's what we've been saying!
  • @Khosumi #4901 11:15 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Nobody listened
  • @Khosumi #4902 11:15 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    now we're here
  • @Faisal6362 #4903 11:20 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Lol if you were CEO and told to gtfo effectively dont think you’d go without a fight
  • @Faisal6362 #4904 11:21 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Offering 3rd party support is nothing
  • @Faisal6362 #4906 11:21 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    Bro do I look like Karel
  • @Faisal6362 #4907 11:21 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    No
  • @Faisal6362 #4909 11:21 PM, 09 Mar 2022
    News aint gonna happen in a week
  • 10 March 2022 (1416 messages)
  • @Moodguy1 #4912 01:28 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    None
  • @5246786979 ↶ Reply to #4913 #4914 04:55 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    CEO is old? I thought he said he just had 31st birthday
  • @312146178 #4917 05:00 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    None
  • @5246786979 #4918 05:01 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    coin goes up, investors put money in, coin rugs and he wants to retire?!? 🤬
  • @Cadylk ↶ Reply to #4918 #4922 05:14 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    nice interpretation man kinda wild conclusion
  • Hopefully he can learn from this and hire key people to take certain aspects to new highs. Delegation and having faith in a strong team is key.
  • @YehanLC #4927 05:48 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel when can we expect your second statement? We are still very much confused as to what to expect next.
  • @772841134 #4931 06:13 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    less statement, but more outcomes is the best for now. lets wait for a week at least
  • @772841134 ↶ Reply to #4928 #4932 06:13 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    good to see the old days
  • @HaoLongGG #4936 06:50 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    None
  • @orcbull #4941 09:42 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    this is all speculation
  • @orcbull #4942 09:43 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    except that we know its personal. And it doesnt take any deep dive analysis to k ow that the devs hate Karel, and if there is a single dev out there who doesnt or is indifferent they would be throwing their colleague relations under the bus by saying so
  • @orcbull #4943 09:44 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    so it doesnt really revolve aroind how karel does business it seems because they say the buybacks arent the issue
  • @orcbull #4944 09:44 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    it must be how he treats people
  • @orcbull #4945 09:44 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    which is to say I think most parties lack emotional maturity and cant just be professional and stay out of each other's way
  • @orcbull #4948 09:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    like I dont know whats at playand I can easily speculate that the amount of hate for karel is an echoing effect
  • @orcbull #4949 09:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    because seemingly no one knows what the interbal drama is
  • @orcbull #4950 09:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    however EVERYONE is convinced karel is the badguy
  • @orcbull #4951 09:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    doesnt that strike you as odd?
  • @orcbull #4954 09:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    so if no one knows yet everyone hates him.... whats really going on?
  • @orcbull #4955 09:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    and who knows if two or even one dev managed to blow up a spat to be a rift this big
  • @orcbull #4956 09:48 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    because ive personally seen mundane drama snowball into some apocalyptic adversarial relationship thats only a few steps away from physical violence
  • @orcbull #4957 09:49 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    but all I know is some things arent right
  • @HaoLongGG #4958 09:51 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Why didn't you fall out when you didn't have capital at the beginning? Everyone knows where the funds came from. They are all ncr investors.
  • @HaoLongGG #4959 09:52 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Therefore, no matter what problems you have, please don't hurt investors or publicly slander them.
  • @HaoLongGG #4960 09:54 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I think cto is stupid.
  • @HaoLongGG #4962 09:54 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    At least in this case
  • @HaoLongGG #4964 09:56 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Can it be positioned as a scam?
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #4963 #4965 09:56 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    their impression of the token holders is after-the-fact reasoning
  • @459400932 #4967 09:57 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    None
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #4964 #4968 09:57 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    it absolutely is a scam to sell something as a currency for use in a future marketplace and then cancel that marketplace, IMO
  • @HaoLongGG #4969 09:58 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Investors need rewards, not charity.
  • @orcbull #4970 09:58 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    specially with such a long fundraising period of around 4 years
  • @HaoLongGG #4971 09:58 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Who will bear the losses of canceling market investors...
  • @orcbull #4973 09:59 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    sorry, I misworded
  • @orcbull #4974 09:59 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    to cancel the currency and try to make it third party
  • @HaoLongGG #4975 10:00 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Investors prefer them to settle.
  • @orcbull #4976 10:00 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    thats ridiculously unacceptable and the fact froox let his friends convince him that was a viable solution gives me a look in at how these ppl think
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #4975 #4977 10:01 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    honestly, I prefer court over trying to accept froox's previous terms
  • @orcbull #4979 10:01 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    keep in mind all this ridiculousness is all because they want to get rid of one man
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #4978 #4980 10:02 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    well theyre wrong honestly and what the kids on discord think doesnt really matter and also it changes depending on their bias
  • @HaoLongGG #4981 10:02 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    They are companies, open ico, and they will bear legal responsibility for this.
  • @HaoLongGG #4982 10:04 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Why haven't you seen ceo talk these two days?
  • @orcbull #4984 10:07 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    well it was also in the abnouncement him saying "we would no longer work on or directly suppory NCR"
  • @orcbull #4986 10:07 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    so it was a rather kiss of death statement
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #4987 #4988 10:08 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    you seem to believe that if you word a whitepaper the right way, it allows you to rugpull
  • @orcbull #4990 10:09 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    and whitepapers and TOS and all that arent legally binding, thats why it needs to go to court
  • @orcbull #4991 10:09 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    you cant fine-print scam people, atleast not in most countries
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #4791 #4994 10:11 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Eventually the Metaverse space will have products from biggest companies in the world and an open sourced Metaverse with crypto that mainstream of people will choose from. Waiting for the players to emerge, I'm following Neos because it might fulfill the open sourced crypto position in future
  • @orcbull #4997 10:12 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    NCR doesnt have to be a security in order to be a scam.
  • @2102015927 #4998 10:12 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'm not going to invest my time into a platform that might just die out in a few years or will forever be home to just niche groups
  • @orcbull #4999 10:12 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    like full stop that line of thinking is ridiculous and I dun think we should eb pretending to be finance lawyers
  • @Cadylk #5000 10:12 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    but the howey test brother
  • @2102015927 #5001 10:12 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    + Won't be open sourced and doesn't embrace the future of money
  • @HaoLongGG #5002 10:13 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I hope to see ceo bring some news.
  • @orcbull #5005 10:14 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I think its worth nothing that Neos devs were willing to financially ruin all the NCR holders just so they wouldnt have to set professional boundaries with their own CEO
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5004 #5006 10:15 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    selling NCR isnt fundraising, its expected to have value like wtf
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #4996 #5007 10:15 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'm afraid Froox will be taken advantage of by his inner circle :/
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5007 #5008 10:16 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I def think inside the dev xircle theyve gotten drunk off a culture of complaining about and hating karel
  • @orcbull #5010 10:17 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    internal culture can grow toxic fast and snowball out of control
  • @orcbull #5013 10:19 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    oh so running an ICO with an inflating price curve is just donations huh?
  • @orcbull #5015 10:20 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    guys theyre increasing the mint price on these "donations"
  • @orcbull #5016 10:21 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    not at all a scam
  • @orcbull #5018 10:21 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    legit question, is the word "donation" anywhere on the Neos website?
  • @orcbull #5019 10:22 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    it might be for all I know
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5020 #5022 10:24 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean its a scam to me to sell NCR then drop support of it but all that really matters is what a judge will think
  • They can now say they’re not dropping support, they’ll do a plug-in
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5024 #5027 10:30 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    yeah I wonder as it seems its par the course to have protective language around a token sale like this but what matters is the actions afterwards, who is financiallly being taken advsntage of and all that
  • @orcbull #5028 10:30 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Im not gonna pretend to know what a judge will think
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5025 #5029 10:32 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    well until the last few months its clear froox was very much on board from the start
  • @orcbull #5030 10:33 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    its hard to argue froox was in the dark about NCR imo
  • @orcbull #5031 10:33 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    either way its a fucking mess
  • @orcbull #5032 10:34 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I doubt we'll ever know the cause of the falling out
  • @orcbull #5033 10:35 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    and Id bet my NCR that its personal
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5029 #5034 10:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Nex was fired and his threats was to get Neos into a state it's in now
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5034 #5035 10:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    can you explain to me more in DM?
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5036 #5037 10:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    He was fired by Karel
  • @2102015927 #5038 10:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Sigh
  • @2102015927 #5040 10:48 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yes, according to Froox and a group of volunteers
  • @xiaomahua #5042 10:49 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    fire dev team
  • @2102015927 #5043 10:49 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    That says a lot about the situation. It's a hostile takeover, volunteers taking over and Froox will be led by them seeing how he has done in the leading position this far
  • @2102015927 #5044 10:50 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    No one wants a boss, so they're kicking him out 😅
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5045 #5046 10:51 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    If that story let's you sleep at night, sure
  • @2102015927 #5047 10:52 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Furriest like to repeat the message that the guy who took care of the business side didn't write any code or interact with the players...
  • @2102015927 #5048 10:53 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    What a joke
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5049 #5052 10:56 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Doesn't matter what the players think. We have the other founding partner trying to kick the other out while being led by volunteers. They just want to geek around and not have anyone around who even resembles a boss. That's the image that comes out of this as details are slowly coming out
  • @2102015927 #5053 10:56 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Hopefully I'm wrong
  • @2101242487 #5054 10:57 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel is a naive ceo, who leave the sourcecode untouched, and use 15k eth do buyback, instead of misappropriation.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5055 #5057 10:58 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I know, furries hate when we just look at what's really happening here
  • @2101242487 #5058 10:58 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Only chance is setup a metaverse with $ncr as currency.
  • @2101242487 #5059 10:58 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Or they seel the compay to a tech giant.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5060 #5063 11:00 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    No, my 5 minutes are up for today. You guys can continue on with your mission, carry on
  • @2101242487 #5064 11:00 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    If it's a company's project, the owner will be the company. even if some of the dev not paid
  • @2101242487 #5066 11:01 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    If they not leally paid, they can sue the company
  • @2101242487 #5067 11:01 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    but they can't take the IP
  • @2101242487 #5070 11:02 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    the domains, the ip, the patrens all lies to company
  • @2101242487 #5072 11:04 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    And don't forget, froox have 42% shares
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #5065 #5074 11:05 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Could it be that they are not sending in invoices as that'd mean what they worked on could be signing over IP?
  • @2101242487 #5075 11:06 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Because froox have 42% shares, that's a really big part, even he didn't get paid well, everything he did will consided as compay's property.
  • @2101242487 #5077 11:07 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    In start companies, founders get very few payment, even zero, is common.
  • @mLehmk #5079 11:08 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Could Frooxius be responsible for damages if there are no contribution agreements?
  • @2101242487 #5080 11:08 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    And 42% over 1/3, will do lots impact on company's decision.
  • @mLehmk #5082 11:10 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Well, it was him actively accepting code from contractors without contribution agreements
  • @2101242487 ↶ Reply to #5079 #5084 11:10 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    As a major share holder, he have to take responsibility. Don't say something like he's child, he know nothing...
  • @mLehmk #5086 11:11 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Depends on who owns the code, the developer or the publisher
  • @mLehmk #5088 11:12 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    regardless, I'm afraid if there aren't contribution agreements, at least to transfer IP to Frooxius, there could be more trouble hiding
  • @2101242487 #5090 11:13 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Frooxius is a major share holder of the company, and control the sourcecode and dev team, if he do some bad to the compay, of couse he broke the law.
  • @mLehmk #5091 11:13 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Controlling something doesn't automatically mean you own it
  • @mLehmk #5093 11:14 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Like I'm controlling the IT at my workplace, but I don't own it
  • @2101242487 #5094 11:15 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Don't say something like karel pua froox, he is an adult.
  • @mLehmk #5097 11:16 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I think that might be valid to CoreDev only
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5098 #5102 11:18 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    it almost sounds like its something people could actually resolve
  • @mLehmk #5105 11:20 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    And it also doesn't help the mistakes Karel did, probably by accident, that makes it look really bad
  • @orcbull #5106 11:20 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    but I dont think it can be resolved simply because things have grown so toxic at this point, and froox has literally dozens telling him not to work things out
  • @orcbull #5109 11:22 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    no clue. it kinda reminds me of some falling outs ive had with friends, and at some point weve made up (even if it took years) but who knows for them?
  • @1297484655 #5110 11:22 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    CEO has gone?
  • @orcbull #5113 11:22 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    I like to be optimistic and think things can happen like that
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5111 #5114 11:22 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    yeah me neither
  • @Cadylk #5115 11:23 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    makes for a special dynamic
  • @orcbull #5116 11:23 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    the thing that takes this beyond that though... is that theres a huge community pn the sidelines
  • @orcbull #5117 11:23 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    a massive peanit gallery all with their own opinions and motivations
  • @orcbull #5119 11:24 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    from ppl seizing this drama hoping it can be weaponized to make ncr be removed from the game
  • @orcbull #5120 11:24 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    to a team who hates someone. how do you publicly make up with someone under those circumstances?
  • @orcbull #5121 11:25 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    thats why its painful to see karel say personal things
  • @orcbull #5123 11:26 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    maybe, looks childish more than anything
  • @orcbull #5126 11:27 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    yeah ive seen people bury enough hatchets
  • @orcbull #5128 11:28 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    like I said I like to think things like that can happen like ppl bein friends again but if I had to bet.... id bet not this time
  • @orcbull #5130 11:29 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    and just so happens this is one of those times you gotta bet lmao
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5131 #5134 11:30 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    i predict the outcome might not be worse case but i predict some party is gonna get hurt and itll prolly be ncr holders
  • @orcbull #5135 11:31 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    in the end: what stupid fucking drama
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5136 #5139 11:32 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    theres numerous ways im sure but id the devs dont wanna compromise or it makes the u comfy then those optikns might be off the table for froox
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5140 #5144 11:34 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    whos mom? house owned by froox's mom?
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5145 #5151 11:36 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    ah. well I dunno sounds lile froox might be abit like I was when younger: introvert who didnt like leaving his computer and didnt wanns be bothered by things
  • @orcbull #5153 11:37 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    yeah sounds like a good way to ruin a friendship IF there even was one! living with ppl can breed resentment even with lovers
  • @orcbull #5155 11:38 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    if anything the more I think about it the more I think froox isnt a bsd guy but has toxic dramahog devs next to him feeding his head with adversarial bullshit
  • @orcbull #5156 11:38 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    not to mention his fucking obsessive community whove been living and breathing this drama for fucking months
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5154 #5158 11:39 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    bro i lost friends running guilds with em, lol...
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5157 #5159 11:39 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    sounds like karel is angry and hurt
  • @orcbull #5160 11:40 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    see this shit is personal
  • @orcbull #5162 11:41 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    and even if karel wanted to apologize having friends reinforcing shit (aka the devs) makes that impossible imo
  • @orcbull #5164 11:42 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    like ive seen how hard it is to get woth an ex when all her friends flip the switch and demonize you lol
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5165 #5166 11:42 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    he should
  • @orcbull #5169 11:43 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    but it might be hard to compromise when theres a literal discord FULL of people TWENTY FOUR SEVEN comstantly calling you a dirtbag
  • @orcbull #5170 11:43 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    Neos moderation team is a joke
  • @orcbull #5171 11:44 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    they let the place turn into a fucking encyclopedia dramatica
  • @orcbull #5176 11:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    my breakups taught me alot aboit other relationships I like to think
  • @orcbull #5177 11:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    lmao
  • @orcbull #5178 11:46 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    well I dunno
  • @orcbull #5180 11:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    mayne karel should lean into the evil businessman persona and just maybe ppl will accept it lmao
  • @orcbull #5181 11:47 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    like I can accept someone dastardly if theyre abit upfront about it
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5179 #5182 11:48 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    well I dunno. I personally feel theres some paralelles at times and like I said, ive had lottsa falling outs that ive mended
  • @orcbull #5183 11:49 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    maybe they should sit down and play turtles in time together
  • @orcbull #5187 11:53 AM, 10 Mar 2022
    how do we know they weren't romantically involved?
  • @orcbull #5191 12:01 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    i was joking but yeah
  • @orcbull #5198 12:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    people act different irl and online
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5202 #5204 12:35 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    eryone barely knows karel but has vast opinions on him
  • @orcbull #5206 12:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    crazy how fast opinions can explode about someone out of nowhere
  • @deltabotx #5207 12:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    None
  • @orcbull #5208 12:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    but I guess most hopeful thing I can think is sometimes it can go the other way
  • @orcbull #5210 12:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    maybe a future negotiation could be karel cant fire anyone
  • @orcbull #5212 12:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    yah
  • @orcbull #5213 12:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    so my opinion? problems with karel stem from a few key devs
  • @orcbull #5214 12:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    possibly frooox alone
  • @orcbull #5215 12:38 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    possibly all comes from karel trying to fire nex
  • @orcbull #5216 12:38 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    or somethkmg i dun fuckin know lol
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #5217 #5219 12:43 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    "instead of considering any of us" whats he mean?
  • @orcbull #5220 12:44 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    like upgrading them from volunteer to employee?
  • @orcbull #5222 12:46 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    sounds like communication issues
  • @orcbull #5223 12:46 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    shitty
  • @orcbull #5225 12:47 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    i bet he woulda hired him but was looking for new blood firstoff?
  • @orcbull #5226 12:47 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    or maybe already things were sour
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5200 #5231 12:53 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel has already stated that using VR is difficult for him, and doesn't like to use it for long periods of time
  • @Khosumi #5232 12:53 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He claims it's straining
  • @Khosumi #5234 12:54 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I've never seen him in Neos once
  • @Khosumi #5235 12:54 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He doesn't interact with us
  • @2101242487 ↶ Reply to #5217 #5236 12:55 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    If it's true, i would say, good news.
  • @Khosumi #5237 12:56 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Why good news? If the current team gets replaced you won't have the original vision for Neos, just a commercial title
  • @2101242487 #5239 12:56 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    This is karel's group, if you don't like him, you can find elsewhere to play
  • @2101242487 ↶ Reply to #5237 #5240 12:56 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    enough
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5239 #5242 12:56 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Oh I see, opposing opinions don't fly with you
  • @2101242487 #5243 12:56 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Start a new world
  • @2101242487 #5244 12:57 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    If karel don't do this, i'm sure other competitor will do.
  • @2101242487 #5245 12:58 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    One of my friends evaluated neos before, 10 devs, 6 month, 1million usd, is the cost to copy one from zero codebase.
  • @Khosumi #5246 12:58 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Haha okay do it
  • @2101242487 #5247 12:59 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'm sure, teams out here are doing vr stuff things
  • @2101242487 #5248 01:00 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Worst case, karel start a new team from beginning, and raise more money for dev. And current dev team are in contiuous law suite about the current sourcecode.
  • @Khosumi #5249 01:01 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Bold of you to assume money goes to devs
  • @772841134 #5250 01:01 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel , you dont need to answer to all these. Just show us with outcomes, performance, works done for sake of "Solirax".
    Communicate with us about your plans and vision.
  • @2101242487 #5251 01:01 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean karel can raise money for dev, if current dev team just get out.
  • @Khosumi #5252 01:02 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Do you understand that if you remove the current devs, Neos will die
  • @2101242487 #5254 01:04 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel starting a new dev team, retreave back neos domain etc. Fire currently dev team. Meanwhile keep law suite for the sourcecode, but it's ok they don't surrend it now.
  • @Khosumi #5256 01:04 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So you don't understand the implications of firing the devs
  • @Khosumi #5257 01:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Neos is in froox's brain. All of it comes from him, the only thing Karel has done is crypto. He has no input in the game's direction, that's all froox
  • @Khosumi #5258 01:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So Karel has no idea how to "build" Neos, he's relying on froox's knowledge
  • @2101242487 #5259 01:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Negotiation is no way, abandon hope they will be kind. Just start a new project from zero. Current treasury can support early hiring and when $ncr price returned, treasury will have move fund to help developing. Just fire them and launch a law suite ask them handle the sourcecode to company. Karel That's the only way you can struggle.
  • @Khosumi #5260 01:07 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Lol
  • @2101242487 ↶ Reply to #5258 #5261 01:07 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He only need to handle the money, and there will be clever guys do other things.
  • @2101242487 #5262 01:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Froox spend too many time in playing, any talent developing team will catch up quickly.
  • @Khosumi #5263 01:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So why haven't they caught up to froox?
  • @Khosumi #5264 01:09 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Do you believe froox to be a coding slave?
  • @Khosumi #5265 01:10 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    A coffee to code converter?
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #5252 #5266 01:10 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Not necessarily. There are conditions where at least the software can survive. Yet, the community will be split and a lot will leave the platform for something else
  • @mLehmk #5270 01:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    the typical full time programmer keeps seats warm
  • @2101242487 #5271 01:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Just start a new project from zero, Karel never have any illusion left, negotiation is waste of precious time. Start from begining and hope will kindled.
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5266 #5272 01:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Sure they could keep the code, but actually carrying on with creating Neos is going to be a massive task for someone new
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5267 #5273 01:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That's true
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #5272 #5274 01:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Depends on the person he finds to lead the new dev team then
  • @Khosumi #5275 01:12 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Very unlikely to find the uniqueness that froox brings
  • @2101242487 #5276 01:13 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel find help with agencies like animoca, only neos name is enough for you to restart.
  • @Khosumi #5277 01:13 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Oh sure he can keep the crypto ridden name lol
  • @Khosumi #5278 01:14 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    We'll leave that to you no problem
  • @2101242487 #5279 01:15 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Fire them, launch law suite, take back everything and restart to make a new beginning. You have to make your progress, NOW. Karel
  • @Khosumi #5280 01:15 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    How cute
  • @5246786979 ↶ Reply to #5279 #5281 01:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    are you ncr holder
  • @Khosumi #5282 01:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He is
  • @2101242487 ↶ Reply to #5281 #5283 01:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    before
  • @5246786979 #5284 01:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    you sold????
  • @2101242487 #5285 01:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    if karel fire dev team and rebuild everything, i'll buy back to give him support.
  • @sharkmare0001 #5286 01:17 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Doesnt someone need to work for you to fire them?
  • @2101242487 #5287 01:17 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I saw panic
  • @772841134 #5288 01:17 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel Even for the devs strike, keep focus on your vision.
    Keep doing your work, and it will be appreciated by everyone supporting you.
    You can do real business preparing for scale up.
  • @Khosumi #5289 01:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Y'all really think Karel is going to read or reply to this
  • @Khosumi #5290 01:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Pinging him wont do a thing
  • @760333748 #5291 01:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It might
  • @772841134 #5292 01:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    i never pinged him until today, but theres too much toxic
  • @772841134 #5293 01:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    oh
  • @772841134 #5294 01:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Thanks!!!
  • @sharkmare0001 #5295 01:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He awakens
  • @5246786979 #5296 01:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    omg carl
  • @Khosumi #5297 01:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Get the pens ready
  • @Khosumi #5298 01:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Also what's with so many people fucking up Karel's name?
  • @Khosumi #5299 01:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'd assume you would at least know the name of the ceo by now
  • @animalchin ↶ Reply to #5254 #5300 01:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Y'all should tag him in every single message
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5301 #5302 01:21 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel isn't that old....
  • @Khosumi #5305 01:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    31
  • @sharkmare0001 #5306 01:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean it'S the same statement where he calls Froox a burden on his mothers and their partners personal lifes sooooo
  • @Khosumi #5307 01:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yeah
  • @Khosumi #5309 01:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Who's too old for working at 31
  • @5246786979 #5311 01:23 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Carl please don't retire my coi go from 10 to pennies!!
  • @Khosumi #5312 01:23 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So we have a mentally ill ceo? Lovely
  • @Readun ↶ Reply to #5309 #5315 01:23 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    The only thing that comes to my mind is, burning out at a job by working over 100h a week on it
  • @Readun #5316 01:24 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    or over 60 would already be a bit much
  • @Khosumi #5317 01:24 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'm not downplaying mental illness, but if you got a mentally ill ceo it's probably not the best to keep them there
  • @sharkmare0001 #5318 01:24 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yeah in that case i gotta agree even if Karel had a mental disability that is nothing bad, nor anything against his leadrship. As long as he is able to make sound decisions.

    His actions are what make him seem unfit
  • @sharkmare0001 #5319 01:25 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I dont think "mentally disabled people cant be ceos" is a good take
  • @Khosumi #5320 01:25 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    In either case, he's perfectly fine mentally
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5301 #5322 01:26 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    The matter still stands that this post you are quoting is the same post where he publicly shames and attacks froox
  • @Khosumi #5323 01:26 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I wouldn't look at it for hard facts
  • @Khosumi #5325 01:27 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Who knows
  • @Khosumi #5326 01:27 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Why would he post it in the first place
  • @sharkmare0001 #5328 01:27 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yeah I dont see what he was thinking writing that part, like theres literally no spin that makes that part look good
  • @sharkmare0001 #5329 01:27 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    its gross and sharing infromation thats not his to share
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #5311 #5330 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Who is Carl and what's coi?
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5327 #5331 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    This is simply not true they didn't dislike eachother like that before. It's the repeated abuse
  • @5246786979 ↶ Reply to #5330 #5332 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    administrator
  • @Khosumi #5333 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's repeatedly telling Karel to stop using their names and signature without consent
  • @5246786979 #5334 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    coin
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #5332 #5335 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Certainly not
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5332 #5336 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel. Not carl
  • @sharkmare0001 #5337 01:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It honestly sounds like trying to guilt trip someone whentaking the entire part whiich is really strange in a public statement
  • @Khosumi #5338 01:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Not Karal, not Karen, not Carlos. Karel
  • @5246786979 #5340 01:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    who Karen? Carlos?
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5339 #5341 01:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He won't admit wrongdoing lol
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5340 #5342 01:30 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Idk you guys keep saying that
  • @Khosumi #5344 01:32 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That's sort of the issue we were trying to bring
  • @Khosumi #5345 01:32 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    But you've finally came to it so
  • @Khosumi #5348 01:34 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I just find it odd that we were put on blast for saying these things before, but now that crypto people finally see the light it's like a huge realisation
  • @Khosumi #5350 01:34 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Shouting to the moon really did a number
  • @BlueCyro #5355 01:35 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    "it might"
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5353 #5357 01:35 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yeah I'd love it
  • @Khosumi #5359 01:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Well Karel hasn't spoken since so 🤷‍♂️
  • @5246786979 ↶ Reply to #5352 #5360 01:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    carl is like movie character 😂
  • @Khosumi #5361 01:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Who is carl
  • @Khosumi #5363 01:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    You've got to be deliberately doing it
  • @5186940309 #5364 01:39 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I think he is just a troll. Joined the other day and just posts nonsense.
  • @Khosumi #5365 01:39 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I will abstain
  • as far as i remember neither geenz nor prime signed contracts but did sign NDAs
  • @sharkmare0001 #5369 01:40 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    not sure about the rest
  • @Khosumi #5370 01:41 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Prime says none of them signed anything that would give over rights of the code
  • @Khosumi #5371 01:41 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Iirc
  • @sharkmare0001 #5372 01:41 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yeah no contributor level agreement was signed by any devs as far as we know
  • @sharkmare0001 #5375 01:44 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    We also know that shifty was sending invoices
  • @sharkmare0001 #5376 01:44 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    but afaik theres been no talk other than from Karel about any contracts
  • @Khosumi #5380 01:46 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Wasn't coffee removed? Why?
  • @Khosumi #5383 01:47 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That's not what I asked
  • @Epsilion ↶ Reply to #5380 #5384 01:48 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Disagreements with froox I think?
    He never mentioned Karel.
  • @Khosumi #5385 01:48 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Ah
  • @Khosumi #5386 01:48 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So it's outside the scope of the situation
  • @sharkmare0001 #5388 01:49 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    prime saying the same thing about contracts
  • @sharkmare0001 #5389 01:50 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It is he said she said but im inclned to believe the dev team when so far everyones come out and said there were no contracts signed
  • Could be somewhat related to the pay issues during that time possibly also so could have been more than one thing
  • @Khosumi #5391 01:51 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Maybe
  • @sharkmare0001 #5393 01:53 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    And heres shifty supporting what geenz and prime said
  • @sharkmare0001 #5394 01:54 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Which cites a part of Frooxs announcement
  • So its more Froox+Everyone ono the team who has mentioned contracts, against Karels word
  • @sharkmare0001 #5397 01:56 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    and for completios sake heres Veer also saying the same thing
  • @sharkmare0001 #5398 01:57 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    ill see if i can dig up other team members on this too
  • Yeah thats how weve been reading it too and its confusing
  • @sharkmare0001 #5403 02:00 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean it's right now about Karel calling people contractors when according to the people they were not contractors
  • @sharkmare0001 #5404 02:00 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    The confusion is what he meant by contractors not what he thinks pay is
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5217 #5407 02:01 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So we're witnessing volunteers trying to take over the company
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5407 #5409 02:02 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    No, what you're witnessing are the volunteers having a big problem when the CEO does things that actively hurt the platform
  • @Epsilion #5411 02:02 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    "sporadically compensated volunteer team"
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5409 #5412 02:02 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yes
  • @sharkmare0001 #5414 02:03 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's th CTO and Volunteers team having strong issues with the CFO
  • @2102015927 #5415 02:04 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Hostile takeover which is actively hurting the platform as we speak, that's what it is starting to look like. Devs don't want Karel having any power over them
  • @2102015927 #5416 02:04 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Looks like that
  • Which is good, Karel shouldn't have any power over neither Neos's development nor the production team nor any content creation or direction.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5417 #5419 02:05 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He's a founding partner
  • He literally has no idea about the platform so his leadership would be uninformed
  • @sharkmare0001 #5421 02:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    he has used neos like at moost 14 times
  • @sharkmare0001 #5422 02:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    over 7 or so years
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5421 #5424 02:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That is not true
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5415 #5425 02:06 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Except karel was the instigator. His actions led to this. This is not some "Hostile takeover", this is a team sick and tired of being abused.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5425 #5426 02:07 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's time to face the facts though
  • How ofthen has he been online then since 2020?
  • @sharkmare0001 #5428 02:07 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    or even 2022
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5426 #5429 02:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    The facts are that karel instigated a lot of this mess, and the team has only responded to it.
  • @sharkmare0001 #5430 02:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's no secret that Karel is rarer to see in neos than any of the fruit badges
  • @5186940309 #5431 02:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Seems pretty clear to me that both sides instigated it.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5429 #5432 02:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yes, by attempting hostile takeover of a company
  • @5186940309 #5433 02:08 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    You can't have an argument without two sides both pushing their views
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5432 #5435 02:09 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's not "hostile". Hostile would be the team constantly slinging insults and personal attacks left and right. So far I've only seen karel throw shade, bring families into this, and diss froox every chance he gets.
  • @2102015927 #5436 02:09 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Volunteers, contractors + other founding partner trying to kick away the another founding partner to secure their own positions
  • @2102015927 #5437 02:10 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's a hostile takeover as in Karel is being forced out
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5435 #5438 02:10 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Mind you, karel is doing this AFTER he himself said that he doesn't wanna bring hate onto the team
  • @sharkmare0001 #5441 02:10 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yeah i was about to mention that it cant be hostile because Froox is part of the company
  • @2102015927 #5442 02:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Lol
  • @sharkmare0001 #5447 02:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Theres iirc 3 parties that own Solirax, Froox , Karel and then a third thing that i keep forgetting
  • @2102015927 #5449 02:11 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Smoke and mirrors, might as well call what it is
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5451 #5452 02:12 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Hostile takeover
  • @Khosumi #5456 02:13 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    What kind of confirmation are you looking for
  • @sharkmare0001 #5458 02:13 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean he has said himself that if you mention him in here he may respond
  • @2102015927 #5460 02:13 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Volunteers and contractors afraid for their job security, frooxius friends and inner circle not happy with their other boss
  • @Khosumi #5464 02:15 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Most of the devs have another job
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5460 #5465 02:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    No, the volunteers just want to get back to work without having to deal with overarching company decisions that they weren't consulted on and abuse
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5462 #5466 02:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Do you care about froox in that way?
  • @2102015927 #5467 02:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Ash, I like how you're stuck with semantics. Is it a coup, rebellion, attack?
  • @sharkmare0001 #5468 02:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Karel people want to know if you stand by your statement that most of the team were contractors in December. And if there's any clarification you can give on what you mean by contractors
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5467 #5470 02:16 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    None of them
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5467 #5472 02:17 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It's not a coup, it's a dispute first of all. This is not some "takeover", these are two parties at odds. There's nothing indicating a full "takeover" here
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5471 #5474 02:17 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Yes quite a lot
  • @Khosumi #5476 02:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Omg go read what he said
  • @5156884985 ↶ Reply to #5431 #5477 02:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Where is the dev team side at fault? They seem to mostly be just responding to bad working conditions.
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5477 #5479 02:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Everything should have been handled with professional mediators privately.
  • @772841134 ↶ Reply to #5477 #5480 02:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    you dont just kick Ceo out when volunteers get treated bad
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5465 #5481 02:18 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    They're volunteers and contractors. They have no real say in the company direction. Froox and Karel does, and Froox has only focused on coding.

    Most of the issues are due to Froox not actually fulfilling his role more as the second leader
  • @5186940309 #5482 02:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Public statements only increased the fighting.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5480 #5484 02:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Well these guys are pushing froox hard
  • @772841134 #5485 02:19 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    both side is doing wrongs
  • Kinda impossible with Karel having continuously made public statements.
    Couldve definitely been handled better by him, ut i assume hyping the coin came first here and he was more worried about losing "investors" than internal backlash
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5486 #5488 02:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Frooxius was continuously making public statements first.
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5488 #5489 02:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Like?
  • @5186940309 #5490 02:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    This isn't a matter of one person is 100% at fault here.
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5489 #5492 02:20 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Every announcement he has made for the last few months.
  • @772841134 #5493 02:21 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    saying dont say a word, dont do anything without my consensus Karel
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5492 #5494 02:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Froox only ever made 2 announcements on the matter
  • Which the first one of was in response to karels posts.
    I understand what you mean that it takes two to tango but i do think that this was mainly brought public by Karels disregard for clearing things internally and just making continuous public statements forcing the team to state their disaproval of them
  • @5156884985 ↶ Reply to #5482 #5497 02:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    It is true that the first public statement came from Froox, signed be everyone except Karel, and suggested we should trust nothing Karel says because of mysterious regions.

    Hat caused everyone to dog pile on Karel. Understandable he would want to publicly defend himself.
  • @Khosumi #5498 02:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    This one dates from February
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5481 #5499 02:22 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    No, they are volunteers only. I can't speak for froox but it seems to me that there were no contracts signed by anybody else aside from NDAs (this is going based on what I've seen publicly, so ask a dev if I'm wrong). Second, froox has: Hand-picked an entire talented team, managed them, appointed coders, and made the entire engine and developed a community with their help. I wouldn't call that slacking in his responsibilities. And I would in fact say that they should get an opinion in how things were run, because the job of the CEO is to make decisions that best benefit everyone, not wantonly go off and do things without consulting the team or froox. Because then you end up making decisions that nobody wants, are not good for the company, or both.
  • @Khosumi #5501 02:23 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Froox has only ever replied to accusations made against him
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5501 #5503 02:23 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That is not how it happened.
  • @BlueCyro #5504 02:23 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Not to mention that the team was hand-picked by the co-founder, so their word should hold some weight regardless
  • Yeah thats what im at least factoring in, the constant messages he was sending both on discord and twitter with no clearing internally
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5503 #5506 02:24 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Can you show me an instance of froox instigating something against Karel?
  • @Khosumi #5507 02:24 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Unprovoked
  • @sharkmare0001 #5509 02:24 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Also Reactant i know you are kinda being pulled apart but i would appreciate you telling me what your info against Karel not being in neos often is?
  • @Faisal6362 #5510 02:25 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I read a message from the dev team going along the lines of we knew we were going to be replaced and had to act
  • @Faisal6362 #5512 02:25 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Sounds like they trying to take apart Karel as they thought Karel was going to get rid of then
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5511 #5513 02:26 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    You have evidence against this by the team themselves, I don't need to argue for this one
  • @Faisal6362 #5514 02:26 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Definitely a motive there
  • As has been stated by team members on the discord its not as simple as a singular thing
  • @772841134 #5516 02:26 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    i definitely know that there are invoices coming in&out from devs. The invoice they were sending had no formal contract I guess.
  • @772841134 #5517 02:27 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Doesnt mean that they arent contracted, but also hard to say they are.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5499 #5519 02:27 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Frooxius has done excellent job when it comes to technical implementation but where he has lacked is the business part and how things are handled there. Yes, obv Karel can ask opinions about his companies workers, but in the end it's up to Karel and Frooxius. Just because employees are not happy about their boss, it isn't a justification in any way for what's being attempted here
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5519 #5521 02:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Well considering that the team and froox stand in alignment I fail to see how this distinction matters, even if it were true.
  • @5156884985 ↶ Reply to #5518 #5523 02:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I do see the issue with this Twitter post.
  • @Faisal6362 #5525 02:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Lols
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5523 #5526 02:28 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    The problem is this makes neos look like a crypto game, what with the NCR logos plastered everywhere.
  • @Faisal6362 #5527 02:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    You guys just ready here with the screenshots
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5521 #5528 02:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Seems like in the end problem comes to Frooxius friends wanting more control in the company, I think he's a bit too naive to be in the position he's in right now
  • @Khosumi #5530 02:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    With a show of ✋ who here has met Karel in neos
  • @Faisal6362 #5531 02:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Have the discord peeps had enough of talking about it you guys moving onto the telegram
  • @772841134 ↶ Reply to #5528 #5532 02:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    exactly!!
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5530 #5533 02:29 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Lately I've seen Karel reach out to community far more than Froox
  • @772841134 #5534 02:30 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Froox is half the owner allowing him to make some fights, but the devs... claiming IP sucks
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5531 #5536 02:30 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    This is the only place Karel will talk so of course we'll come here
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5528 #5537 02:30 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Naive in wanting the abuse to stop and for company decisions to actually be communicated
  • @BlueCyro #5539 02:30 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I fail to see the logic in how that is naive
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5537 #5540 02:30 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Naive in thinking that his inner circle all have good intentions and are innocent
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5540 #5541 02:31 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Especially considering NCR.
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5540 #5542 02:31 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Can you like stop with your conspiracy theories
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5541 #5543 02:31 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Can you produce what I've asked?
  • @5156884985 ↶ Reply to #5526 #5544 02:31 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I see them now. I had never noticed the logos in the picture before. That makes more sense as to the response to the pocture.
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5542 #5545 02:32 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Sorry, basing this on what I've heard and seen in discord
  • @sharkmare0001 #5546 02:32 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mostly think that furriest is just having a giggle, either that or hes gotta be pretty jaded about people
  • @Faisal6362 #5547 02:32 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Stop cryptobro hes not used to yes men in discord and being challenged
  • @Faisal6362 #5548 02:32 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That discord is the worst thing ive seen
  • @Faisal6362 #5549 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That community can die and we can restart
  • @772841134 #5550 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    and Froox claimed IP for having no contract with Solirax, making company value to 0. (cus the dev can claim IP also, which will make Neos IP owned by everyone==noone)
    I know he cares about passion not money, but he is losing quite a lot for that claim.
  • @Faisal6362 #5551 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    They seem to think they’re irreplaceable
  • @Faisal6362 #5552 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Makes me lol
  • @sharkmare0001 #5555 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Anyone wanna hop on Neos btw im getting online in a bit, just getting a drink
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5546 #5556 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Seen how discord is handling Karel, seems like you guys don't want the same approach used towards your own side :o
  • @BlueCyro ↶ Reply to #5540 #5557 02:33 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'm unsure of your metric of "Intentions" and "Innocent". Do they have opinions? Most humans do, but if you're implying that they have nefarious or alternative agendas for this course of action, then I'm sorry to say that it's wrong. I am good friends with much of the team, and I can tell you that they just want to get back to work and put this mess behind them. Literally all they want is for things to go back to normal and not have this shit hanging over everyone's heads
  • No clue what you are on about since thats vague as hell
  • Will do
  • @sharkmare0001 #5563 02:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Also if any of yall in here who havent played Neos before need an introduction id be more than happy to show and teach, its what i do afterall
  • @2102015927 #5564 02:36 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'd want to see what each side is demanding in these negotiations, seems like Frooxius and volunteers are only happy if Karel is kicked out having no say over anything? Latest I've heard is Karel is willing to give Frooxius and dev team autonomy
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5564 #5565 02:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    They want Karel to keep developing his coin, but as a third party that can eventually implement their coin as a plugin on top of the game
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5565 #5566 02:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So they want Karel out?
  • With how the message on that was worded from Karel if you mean what i think you mean it sounded like putting Froox and team on a seperate company hat works for him and only produces code for neos while karel would own neos, which isnt great
  • @sharkmare0001 #5569 02:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    And yeah the team had autonomy Karel just had to start micromanaging stuff
  • @1297484655 #5570 02:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I don't think he has the ability to solve the current problem
  • @2102015927 ↶ Reply to #5567 #5571 02:37 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    What changes?
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5572 #5573 02:39 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    That is just disgusting, it's gas lighting froox
  • @1297484655 #5574 02:39 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He is definitely not a qualified manager. Maybe as he said, he is 31 years old and too old.
  • this and the mother part is literally text book gaslighting
  • @Khosumi ↶ Reply to #5574 #5580 02:40 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    31 years old is DEFINITELY not too old for this
  • @1297484655 #5583 02:40 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    neos's current chaos, as a manager, should pay a great responsibility
  • @1297484655 ↶ Reply to #5580 #5585 02:41 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    He said he was very old, I was very surprised
  • @sharkmare0001 #5586 02:41 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    The one upside to this is that apparently, Karel has finally hired someone to automate the NCR handling process, which should've been done way sooner

    at least an upside for the crypto side
  • @Khosumi #5587 02:41 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    So he doesn't have enough time to dedicate to Neos? You want that quality in a leader?
  • @2102015927 #5589 02:42 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    Lol
  • @1297484655 #5591 02:43 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I don't know what he is doing every day now. The price of ncr has dropped 30 times.
  • @sharkmare0001 #5592 02:43 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean If i was manually sending tons of transactions everyday id want to just lay down and sleep myself, it sounds like torture during the uptick.

    But also that was entirely on him also
  • @Khosumi #5593 02:44 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I'm sorry but I just can't fathom the fact that you want a ceo on the cusp of burning out claiming working at 31 is "getting too old", he clearly said he doesn't want to spend more time on Neos, he wants to be a dad
  • @Khosumi #5594 02:44 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    What kind of leader is that
  • @5186940309 ↶ Reply to #5593 #5595 02:45 PM, 10 Mar 2022
    I mean, he can do both. But Frooxius did burn out and here we are. Clearly both Karel and Frooxius were getting burned out from everything.