- 09 March 2022 (141 messages)
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Karel when can new website be expected
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Keep an eye on the announcements of the main discord. Any progress you hear from anybody is just hearsay unless it is confirmed by froox's team -
froox's team? lmao -
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Yes. Considering the team majorly work with him and are managed by him -
froox ruin so many people's life stupid ma -
Have you considered not putting more money into something that you are able to lose? -
IMO u R NOT RIGHT -
I CAN AFFORD ,SORRY -
JUST ANGRY ABOUT A STUPID AND selfish shitman -
Please stop the name calling. Angry or not about someone, we don't want more fighting.
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things should move on -
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Technology is always improving, and development teams can only stay ahead if they continue to develop -
Metaverse has a very good opportunity, and neos vr also has huge potential. It has the opportunity to become a world-class platform, and it will also be a business opportunity with a market value of several billions. -
If the team is too short-sighted, it will only be eliminated. -
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You do realize that "your working conditions dont matter because if you just shut up and work you will get more money" is a really bad take right? -
is carl here
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Who is that?
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administrator
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the man who can save $NCR -
Carl is only in the discord server
Here you only got Karel -
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can he save it
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Why does the ceo stop talking? Can you tell us the current progress and the follow-up plan?
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My phone still insists it's Karen when i type it -
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Monitor whether there is good news at any time so as to buy more NCR
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please ceo
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ceo said there to be weekly talk with team tell cto to increase price
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Prices of crypto are determined by how their targetted market of people feels. Or by massive artificial buybacks. Either-or -
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ohoh... There will be so many wanna be people to get into that...
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Any of yall up to chill iin neos -
That's pretty hilarious -
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Ironically enough now would be a decent time to buyback price is in toilet
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Yep
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I still dont understand why he thought it was a good idea to bring up Froox's mother, that was just generally gross -
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Lol if you were CEO and told to gtfo effectively dont think you’d go without a fight
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Offering 3rd party support is nothing
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Bro do I look like Karel
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No
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News aint gonna happen in a week
- 10 March 2022 (1416 messages)
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CEO is old? I thought he said he just had 31st birthday
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coin goes up, investors put money in, coin rugs and he wants to retire?!? 🤬
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nice interpretation man kinda wild conclusion -
Hopefully he can learn from this and hire key people to take certain aspects to new highs. Delegation and having faith in a strong team is key. -
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less statement, but more outcomes is the best for now. lets wait for a week at least
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good to see the old days
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Why didn't you fall out when you didn't have capital at the beginning? Everyone knows where the funds came from. They are all ncr investors. -
Therefore, no matter what problems you have, please don't hurt investors or publicly slander them. -
I think cto is stupid. -
At least in this case -
Can it be positioned as a scam? -
their impression of the token holders is after-the-fact reasoning
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it absolutely is a scam to sell something as a currency for use in a future marketplace and then cancel that marketplace, IMO
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Investors need rewards, not charity. -
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Who will bear the losses of canceling market investors... -
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Investors prefer them to settle. -
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honestly, I prefer court over trying to accept froox's previous terms
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well theyre wrong honestly and what the kids on discord think doesnt really matter and also it changes depending on their bias
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They are companies, open ico, and they will bear legal responsibility for this. -
Why haven't you seen ceo talk these two days? -
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you seem to believe that if you word a whitepaper the right way, it allows you to rugpull
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Eventually the Metaverse space will have products from biggest companies in the world and an open sourced Metaverse with crypto that mainstream of people will choose from. Waiting for the players to emerge, I'm following Neos because it might fulfill the open sourced crypto position in future
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I'm not going to invest my time into a platform that might just die out in a few years or will forever be home to just niche groups
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+ Won't be open sourced and doesn't embrace the future of money
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I hope to see ceo bring some news. -
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selling NCR isnt fundraising, its expected to have value like wtf
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I'm afraid Froox will be taken advantage of by his inner circle :/
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I def think inside the dev xircle theyve gotten drunk off a culture of complaining about and hating karel
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I mean its a scam to me to sell NCR then drop support of it but all that really matters is what a judge will think
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They can now say they’re not dropping support, they’ll do a plug-in
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yeah I wonder as it seems its par the course to have protective language around a token sale like this but what matters is the actions afterwards, who is financiallly being taken advsntage of and all that
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well until the last few months its clear froox was very much on board from the start
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Nex was fired and his threats was to get Neos into a state it's in now
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can you explain to me more in DM?
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He was fired by Karel
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Sigh
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Yes, according to Froox and a group of volunteers
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fire dev team -
That says a lot about the situation. It's a hostile takeover, volunteers taking over and Froox will be led by them seeing how he has done in the leading position this far
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No one wants a boss, so they're kicking him out 😅
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If that story let's you sleep at night, sure
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Furriest like to repeat the message that the guy who took care of the business side didn't write any code or interact with the players...
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What a joke
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Doesn't matter what the players think. We have the other founding partner trying to kick the other out while being led by volunteers. They just want to geek around and not have anyone around who even resembles a boss. That's the image that comes out of this as details are slowly coming out
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Hopefully I'm wrong
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Karel is a naive ceo, who leave the sourcecode untouched, and use 15k eth do buyback, instead of misappropriation.
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I know, furries hate when we just look at what's really happening here
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Only chance is setup a metaverse with $ncr as currency.
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Or they seel the compay to a tech giant.
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No, my 5 minutes are up for today. You guys can continue on with your mission, carry on
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If it's a company's project, the owner will be the company. even if some of the dev not paid
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If they not leally paid, they can sue the company
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but they can't take the IP
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the domains, the ip, the patrens all lies to company
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And don't forget, froox have 42% shares
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Could it be that they are not sending in invoices as that'd mean what they worked on could be signing over IP? -
Because froox have 42% shares, that's a really big part, even he didn't get paid well, everything he did will consided as compay's property.
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In start companies, founders get very few payment, even zero, is common.
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And 42% over 1/3, will do lots impact on company's decision.
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As a major share holder, he have to take responsibility. Don't say something like he's child, he know nothing...
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Frooxius is a major share holder of the company, and control the sourcecode and dev team, if he do some bad to the compay, of couse he broke the law.
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Don't say something like karel pua froox, he is an adult.
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it almost sounds like its something people could actually resolve
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CEO has gone?
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yeah me neither
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i predict the outcome might not be worse case but i predict some party is gonna get hurt and itll prolly be ncr holders
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theres numerous ways im sure but id the devs dont wanna compromise or it makes the u comfy then those optikns might be off the table for froox
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whos mom? house owned by froox's mom?
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ah. well I dunno sounds lile froox might be abit like I was when younger: introvert who didnt like leaving his computer and didnt wanns be bothered by things
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bro i lost friends running guilds with em, lol...
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sounds like karel is angry and hurt
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he should
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well I dunno. I personally feel theres some paralelles at times and like I said, ive had lottsa falling outs that ive mended
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eryone barely knows karel but has vast opinions on him
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"instead of considering any of us" whats he mean?
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Karel has already stated that using VR is difficult for him, and doesn't like to use it for long periods of time -
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If it's true, i would say, good news.
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This is karel's group, if you don't like him, you can find elsewhere to play
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enough
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Oh I see, opposing opinions don't fly with you -
Start a new world
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If karel don't do this, i'm sure other competitor will do.
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One of my friends evaluated neos before, 10 devs, 6 month, 1million usd, is the cost to copy one from zero codebase.
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I'm sure, teams out here are doing vr stuff things
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Worst case, karel start a new team from beginning, and raise more money for dev. And current dev team are in contiuous law suite about the current sourcecode.
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Karel , you dont need to answer to all these. Just show us with outcomes, performance, works done for sake of "Solirax".
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I mean karel can raise money for dev, if current dev team just get out.
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Karel starting a new dev team, retreave back neos domain etc. Fire currently dev team. Meanwhile keep law suite for the sourcecode, but it's ok they don't surrend it now.
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Negotiation is no way, abandon hope they will be kind. Just start a new project from zero. Current treasury can support early hiring and when $ncr price returned, treasury will have move fund to help developing. Just fire them and launch a law suite ask them handle the sourcecode to company. Karel That's the only way you can struggle.
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He only need to handle the money, and there will be clever guys do other things.
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Froox spend too many time in playing, any talent developing team will catch up quickly.
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Not necessarily. There are conditions where at least the software can survive. Yet, the community will be split and a lot will leave the platform for something else -
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Just start a new project from zero, Karel never have any illusion left, negotiation is waste of precious time. Start from begining and hope will kindled.
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Sure they could keep the code, but actually carrying on with creating Neos is going to be a massive task for someone new -
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Depends on the person he finds to lead the new dev team then -
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Karel find help with agencies like animoca, only neos name is enough for you to restart.
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Fire them, launch law suite, take back everything and restart to make a new beginning. You have to make your progress, NOW. Karel
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are you ncr holder
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before
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you sold????
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if karel fire dev team and rebuild everything, i'll buy back to give him support.
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I saw panic
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Karel Even for the devs strike, keep focus on your vision.
Keep doing your work, and it will be appreciated by everyone supporting you.
You can do real business preparing for scale up. -
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i never pinged him until today, but theres too much toxic
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Thanks!!!
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He awakens -
omg carl
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Y'all should tag him in every single message -
Karel isn't that old.... -
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I mean it'S the same statement where he calls Froox a burden on his mothers and their partners personal lifes sooooo -
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Carl please don't retire my coi go from 10 to pennies!!
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The only thing that comes to my mind is, burning out at a job by working over 100h a week on it
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Yeah in that case i gotta agree even if Karel had a mental disability that is nothing bad, nor anything against his leadrship. As long as he is able to make sound decisions.
His actions are what make him seem unfit -
I dont think "mentally disabled people cant be ceos" is a good take -
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The matter still stands that this post you are quoting is the same post where he publicly shames and attacks froox -
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Yeah I dont see what he was thinking writing that part, like theres literally no spin that makes that part look good -
its gross and sharing infromation thats not his to share -
Who is Carl and what's coi? -
This is simply not true they didn't dislike eachother like that before. It's the repeated abuse -
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Karel. Not carl -
It honestly sounds like trying to guilt trip someone whentaking the entire part whiich is really strange in a public statement -
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who Karen? Carlos?
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He won't admit wrongdoing lol -
Idk you guys keep saying that -
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Yeah I'd love it -
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carl is like movie character 😂
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I think he is just a troll. Joined the other day and just posts nonsense.
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as far as i remember neither geenz nor prime signed contracts but did sign NDAs -
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Yeah no contributor level agreement was signed by any devs as far as we know -
We also know that shifty was sending invoices -
but afaik theres been no talk other than from Karel about any contracts -
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Disagreements with froox I think?
He never mentioned Karel. -
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prime saying the same thing about contracts -
It is he said she said but im inclned to believe the dev team when so far everyones come out and said there were no contracts signed -
Could be somewhat related to the pay issues during that time possibly also so could have been more than one thing -
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And heres shifty supporting what geenz and prime said -
Which cites a part of Frooxs announcement -
So its more Froox+Everyone ono the team who has mentioned contracts, against Karels word -
and for completios sake heres Veer also saying the same thing -
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Yeah thats how weve been reading it too and its confusing -
I mean it's right now about Karel calling people contractors when according to the people they were not contractors -
The confusion is what he meant by contractors not what he thinks pay is -
So we're witnessing volunteers trying to take over the company
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No, what you're witnessing are the volunteers having a big problem when the CEO does things that actively hurt the platform -
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It's th CTO and Volunteers team having strong issues with the CFO -
Hostile takeover which is actively hurting the platform as we speak, that's what it is starting to look like. Devs don't want Karel having any power over them
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Looks like that
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Which is good, Karel shouldn't have any power over neither Neos's development nor the production team nor any content creation or direction. -
He's a founding partner
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He literally has no idea about the platform so his leadership would be uninformed -
he has used neos like at moost 14 times -
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That is not true
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Except karel was the instigator. His actions led to this. This is not some "Hostile takeover", this is a team sick and tired of being abused. -
It's time to face the facts though
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How ofthen has he been online then since 2020? -
or even 2022 -
The facts are that karel instigated a lot of this mess, and the team has only responded to it. -
It's no secret that Karel is rarer to see in neos than any of the fruit badges -
Seems pretty clear to me that both sides instigated it.
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Yes, by attempting hostile takeover of a company
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You can't have an argument without two sides both pushing their views
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It's not "hostile". Hostile would be the team constantly slinging insults and personal attacks left and right. So far I've only seen karel throw shade, bring families into this, and diss froox every chance he gets. -
Volunteers, contractors + other founding partner trying to kick away the another founding partner to secure their own positions
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It's a hostile takeover as in Karel is being forced out
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Mind you, karel is doing this AFTER he himself said that he doesn't wanna bring hate onto the team -
Yeah i was about to mention that it cant be hostile because Froox is part of the company -
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Theres iirc 3 parties that own Solirax, Froox , Karel and then a third thing that i keep forgetting -
Smoke and mirrors, might as well call what it is
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Hostile takeover
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I mean he has said himself that if you mention him in here he may respond -
Volunteers and contractors afraid for their job security, frooxius friends and inner circle not happy with their other boss
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No, the volunteers just want to get back to work without having to deal with overarching company decisions that they weren't consulted on and abuse -
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Ash, I like how you're stuck with semantics. Is it a coup, rebellion, attack?
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Karel people want to know if you stand by your statement that most of the team were contractors in December. And if there's any clarification you can give on what you mean by contractors -
None of them -
It's not a coup, it's a dispute first of all. This is not some "takeover", these are two parties at odds. There's nothing indicating a full "takeover" here -
Yes quite a lot -
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Where is the dev team side at fault? They seem to mostly be just responding to bad working conditions.
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Everything should have been handled with professional mediators privately.
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you dont just kick Ceo out when volunteers get treated bad
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They're volunteers and contractors. They have no real say in the company direction. Froox and Karel does, and Froox has only focused on coding.
Most of the issues are due to Froox not actually fulfilling his role more as the second leader -
Public statements only increased the fighting.
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Well these guys are pushing froox hard
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both side is doing wrongs
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Kinda impossible with Karel having continuously made public statements.
Couldve definitely been handled better by him, ut i assume hyping the coin came first here and he was more worried about losing "investors" than internal backlash -
Frooxius was continuously making public statements first.
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This isn't a matter of one person is 100% at fault here.
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Every announcement he has made for the last few months.
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saying dont say a word, dont do anything without my consensus Karel
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Froox only ever made 2 announcements on the matter -
Which the first one of was in response to karels posts.
I understand what you mean that it takes two to tango but i do think that this was mainly brought public by Karels disregard for clearing things internally and just making continuous public statements forcing the team to state their disaproval of them -
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It is true that the first public statement came from Froox, signed be everyone except Karel, and suggested we should trust nothing Karel says because of mysterious regions.
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No, they are volunteers only. I can't speak for froox but it seems to me that there were no contracts signed by anybody else aside from NDAs (this is going based on what I've seen publicly, so ask a dev if I'm wrong). Second, froox has: Hand-picked an entire talented team, managed them, appointed coders, and made the entire engine and developed a community with their help. I wouldn't call that slacking in his responsibilities. And I would in fact say that they should get an opinion in how things were run, because the job of the CEO is to make decisions that best benefit everyone, not wantonly go off and do things without consulting the team or froox. Because then you end up making decisions that nobody wants, are not good for the company, or both. -
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That is not how it happened.
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Yeah thats what im at least factoring in, the constant messages he was sending both on discord and twitter with no clearing internally -
Can you show me an instance of froox instigating something against Karel? -
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Also Reactant i know you are kinda being pulled apart but i would appreciate you telling me what your info against Karel not being in neos often is? -
I read a message from the dev team going along the lines of we knew we were going to be replaced and had to act
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Sounds like they trying to take apart Karel as they thought Karel was going to get rid of then
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You have evidence against this by the team themselves, I don't need to argue for this one -
Definitely a motive there
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As has been stated by team members on the discord its not as simple as a singular thing -
i definitely know that there are invoices coming in&out from devs. The invoice they were sending had no formal contract I guess.
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Doesnt mean that they arent contracted, but also hard to say they are.
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Frooxius has done excellent job when it comes to technical implementation but where he has lacked is the business part and how things are handled there. Yes, obv Karel can ask opinions about his companies workers, but in the end it's up to Karel and Frooxius. Just because employees are not happy about their boss, it isn't a justification in any way for what's being attempted here
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Well considering that the team and froox stand in alignment I fail to see how this distinction matters, even if it were true. -
I do see the issue with this Twitter post.
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Lols
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The problem is this makes neos look like a crypto game, what with the NCR logos plastered everywhere. -
You guys just ready here with the screenshots
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Seems like in the end problem comes to Frooxius friends wanting more control in the company, I think he's a bit too naive to be in the position he's in right now
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Have the discord peeps had enough of talking about it you guys moving onto the telegram
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exactly!!
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Lately I've seen Karel reach out to community far more than Froox
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Froox is half the owner allowing him to make some fights, but the devs... claiming IP sucks
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This is the only place Karel will talk so of course we'll come here -
Naive in wanting the abuse to stop and for company decisions to actually be communicated -
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Naive in thinking that his inner circle all have good intentions and are innocent
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Especially considering NCR.
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Can you like stop with your conspiracy theories -
Can you produce what I've asked? -
I see them now. I had never noticed the logos in the picture before. That makes more sense as to the response to the pocture.
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Sorry, basing this on what I've heard and seen in discord
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I mostly think that furriest is just having a giggle, either that or hes gotta be pretty jaded about people -
Stop cryptobro hes not used to yes men in discord and being challenged
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That discord is the worst thing ive seen
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That community can die and we can restart
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and Froox claimed IP for having no contract with Solirax, making company value to 0. (cus the dev can claim IP also, which will make Neos IP owned by everyone==noone)
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Seen how discord is handling Karel, seems like you guys don't want the same approach used towards your own side :o
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I'm unsure of your metric of "Intentions" and "Innocent". Do they have opinions? Most humans do, but if you're implying that they have nefarious or alternative agendas for this course of action, then I'm sorry to say that it's wrong. I am good friends with much of the team, and I can tell you that they just want to get back to work and put this mess behind them. Literally all they want is for things to go back to normal and not have this shit hanging over everyone's heads -
No clue what you are on about since thats vague as hell -
Will do -
Also if any of yall in here who havent played Neos before need an introduction id be more than happy to show and teach, its what i do afterall -
I'd want to see what each side is demanding in these negotiations, seems like Frooxius and volunteers are only happy if Karel is kicked out having no say over anything? Latest I've heard is Karel is willing to give Frooxius and dev team autonomy
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They want Karel to keep developing his coin, but as a third party that can eventually implement their coin as a plugin on top of the game -
So they want Karel out?
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With how the message on that was worded from Karel if you mean what i think you mean it sounded like putting Froox and team on a seperate company hat works for him and only produces code for neos while karel would own neos, which isnt great -
And yeah the team had autonomy Karel just had to start micromanaging stuff -
I don't think he has the ability to solve the current problem
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What changes?
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That is just disgusting, it's gas lighting froox -
He is definitely not a qualified manager. Maybe as he said, he is 31 years old and too old.
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this and the mother part is literally text book gaslighting -
31 years old is DEFINITELY not too old for this -
neos's current chaos, as a manager, should pay a great responsibility
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He said he was very old, I was very surprised
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The one upside to this is that apparently, Karel has finally hired someone to automate the NCR handling process, which should've been done way sooner
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Lol
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I don't know what he is doing every day now. The price of ncr has dropped 30 times.
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I mean If i was manually sending tons of transactions everyday id want to just lay down and sleep myself, it sounds like torture during the uptick.
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I mean, he can do both. But Frooxius did burn out and here we are. Clearly both Karel and Frooxius were getting burned out from everything.