The CTO was at the least complicit

CTO dumped tokens? Not good 😔

but still partially complicit?

There is a way to how much token CTO dump?

Karel it is indeed mind blowing that every moment you are trying to highlight something, there is an immediate reaction in order to discredit your words

That is scary tbh

I don’t think CTO dumped we didn’t get any. But his actions certainly encouraged a lot of dumping.

Yes Karel thank you for the words

Who are you and what did you do with Karel?

😄😄

Like talking in 3rd person about yourself?

he's mocking the other person's statement lol

Yes it was fun using the 3rd person

Can you - like - finally stop arguing about BS and start listening to each other? All sides

Would be nice

it's something both sides have to do

And I know, that one is not easy

Quiet encouraging others to do a smear campaign. I cant ignore that completely.

Karel Who would you have hired from volunteer team if things between them had not fallen apart?

Veer, Shifty and Probable would have been the first three

Also Aegis

How’s the thing going now? Lawsuits?

Yeah

So it’s gonna take a long time to fix this?

Agreement would be preffered though

Possibly

I prefer lawsuits. Fix this problem forever

Karel Regardless of how the lawsuit unfolds, do you think Froox should keep his code? It does seem like it is his passion project and life's work.

Code belongs to the company, he can continue working on it no problem. Best way would be to open source it making the process easy.

I lost all my money on NCR

My average cost is 3

I guess there is no way to get my money back

Solirax Ltd, I’m sure ncr will be worth hella more than 3 long term

It will be when NeosVR is in a normal development course and the Ncr ecosystem is growing

I understand the code belongs to the company. But I don't think I could handle knowing that Froox was ripped away from his passion project if that is how the lawsuits go down. It would be like losing control of my own personal game projects that I have been tinkering with for years.

I think Froox should always have access to code as well

God, the problem has not been solved yet?

I'm afraid open source wouldn't be easy. Too many 3rd party components in there that are licensed and not open source

It will be for sure gradual long term effort

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If the answer is to the open source but will take long time to do how this to plan moving forward with CTO

Agreement on making it open source long term can be made fairly quickly

Unfortunately, the price of NCR has fallen dramatically

So team say. One year two year open source everything good?

There are at least 12 components that are not open source and one component where the license is uncertain

But they don't want ncr. What happen to NCR in one two year time?

It will do if the price drops below 0.15 🤣

half of those components are required for various VR functionality

I put an amount that I don't care if I lose it, but if things go back to normal, I will benefit :)

Yeah, that's the most you could put in

No matter how good friends you’re. There’s always fights between founders. I’ve been there with very small startups. 2 startups dead so far because of us the founders.

I put in more if there good words from this

Good discussion today

Karel have you guys considered VC funding? By now, with all this metaverse attention you guys should be a unicorn 🦄

What is the future of NCR?? will NCR live?

oh man....

no positive news,,,,

There is

shenme

If Karel answer this

I say good news

discussing about open sourcing would be after the agreement I guess.

I think there's been lots of positive news

personally I was hoping for a lawsuit to settle this stuff permanently.

I'm glad to see that

lawsuit about the code ownership right?

sure

so this lawsuit is about Solirax vs others. Which side is Froox on?

will he accept that most of the code belongs to Solirax?

I don't think code belong to Karel

Why he push for open source so he can have the code

Karel also dont think it belongs to him

it belongs to Solirax :)

Why Karel push for open source then if he own

vision for decentralized platform

+ the situation about IP threats can be solved then

I don't think

As long as NCR lives

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whats it about??

Someone is impersonating multiple people

Was vrchat

nexulan stuff was sure one reason why team backlashed Karel

Karel also cut off Naxulan from receiving any more CDFT for his streaming work.

Really

Can he do that?

I don't understand the cdft but is it a coin?

yeah he's the CEO by title

I mean Im not a lawyer tho

Its a community fund that gets converted into ncr by the progress of the Minting process.

But he took money no?

Yes?

yes, sorta, for volunteer work

Money he already earn?

something like that. because atleast by karel's understanding thr only real employees are froox and himself and everyone else is a volunteer

The amount is locked until theintimg reached a certain point. Then a bit of it is converted to ncr

That way to close to being ok with adults dressing up as children and being ok with it.

Or new money

so I dunno if it counts as "pay" or whatever

I mean I dont see the problem if theyre adults, but I will note that in Second Life it will get you permabanned fast

Neos is small though

and some people want to keep it that way

In any case, he was being largely compensated by a good chunk of CDFT for his work. Karel cut him off when he was fired. Seems to me like a good motive to tank the token.

So you to stake NCR on wallet.but can be removed if you make him mad?

I dont want this possibility

Sorry, cp in any format is unforgivable. I don't care if they are just playing pretend.

Technically yes, I dont know if that happend to nex.

so.. I guess there was problem about Nexulan and Karel fired him for it. But this was not known to other members including Froox.

I think that Karel should have discussed about this with Froox before anouncing it.
But the volunteers shitting about this is the real shit. What rights dl they have? even employees dont have any right to decide anything

I don't like the Nex for his problems. But is that stealing

its not cp and please dont throw that term around carelessly because it has a real and terdible meaning, and please dont assume I'm condoning that play either, I merely dont care what adults in private pretend to be

He can be fired but take away pay he earn before not okay if it happened

I dont think he announced it, but yeah it seems like this might be the tipping point of the drama, the big disagreement

he still kept his CDFT from before, just didnt get new CDFT or something. I dont know if he had any pay withheld.

It seems like they went through on their threat. And I think they got a lot of the OGs on board with it.

Is the only difference someone is dressing up as a dog-child vs someone dressing up as a human child?

Does anyone know how cdft work in metaverse?

It goes with ico

So pay was taken cause ico not over?

the coordinated selloff does explain karel's buybacks to some extent if he saw it as a way of opposing purposeful dumping of NCR. i know a lot of us were scratching our heads at why he was setting up buybacks at the time.

That is not good

which also makes the discord criticism against karel for doing buybacks even more in bad faith

A lot of people would disagree about the bestiality thing. Mostly people outside the furry community. In any case humoring a fetish that is focused on young people or animals is not healthy for anyone.

gotcha!

I said nothing about restricting. But there is nothing you can say to me that will make that kind of fetish anything but obhorent and destructive to everyone involved in it.

yeah.. what would have happened if Karel hired them last year

I see og dump but devs work at grocery store?

If they make all the money where is it

I lean more towards the idea that Karel is worried the coin will be useless and wanted to give people a chance to get their money out. Did not want to steal from them. If he pulls this project out of the nose dive then he could make use of tokens again. It would be the only moral course of action.

I go into metaverse several time and everyone is living with parent

Where are the rich OG

You are an insane amount of assumptions. But yah, next topic.

no only difference to me is if it's two adults at the ends of the computers and not kids. doesnt mean I think its good or anything, just I cant be bothered to care what everyone does to tickle their pickle

doesnt mean I think Neos should allow it

the team and community in open ideological war against NCR was what informed big pockets to pull out

Ok, not next topic I guess.

Adults dressing up like this are reinforcing the part of their brain that finds kids attractive. It will be harder for them to go about in public without thinking those kinds of thoughts. It is not a positive thing for anyone involved.

a buy wall isnt anything outrageously new or ineffective, its just it cant stand up against a team that hates its own investors. nothing can.

Reactant was team member?

If he sell why isn't this problem

not a problem

and the team didnt want it to fund development. that stood in the way of hiring new talent.

Okay

Reactant was a mod. He wasnt a team member but was fairly involved and made alot of neos advertisements

I thought he was moderation

got attacked for this and had to leave bad

yeah the fud that revealed the scene behind

When did he sell

this is the reason yep

Reactant got attacked because he wasnt like the other mods in joining in on the dogpiling against crypto people. simple as.

If he sell after getting knowledge from joining that is issue too!

It already happen

no I watched it go down. he was scoffed at constantly because he was the only procrypto mod

I look to future mostly

Apologies

this is way before Reactant posted his stuff on Twitter (which I thank him for)

Not true. A bunch of the community lumped him in with the crypto bro crowd on the discord.

people like khosumi or whatever were constantly complaining about him because he wasnt toeing the line like the rest of them. imo Reactant was one of the best mods

and I saw in twitter threatning Reactant regardless any fact checks tho

yeah Reactant got everyones stink eye because he liked crypto. its as simple as that to anyone who actually watched it unfold

so true

the discord was and still is such a shitshow clubhouse

where can I download the other meeting notes?

anything that makes them uncomfortable needs to be threatened.

Sounds like any case of sexual harassment in real life where the abused are scared to come forward in fear of community or employment backlash.

then I guess its not public knowledge?

if it was public k owledge why was everyonr on discord legally threatening him? lol

everyone on discord was like "hope you get to enjoy that house before we take it from you in court"

people only respect Sikitree because he keeps his head down and shuts up. if he spoke positively abiut crypto in that howling congregation he'd be slandered too.

i bet u gonna dislike sikitree soon if he talks about this issue

sikitree stays out of the way and is basically invisible, thats what peoole wanted Reactant to be.

he doesnt talk in the discord and in recent months I think he stopped developing in Neos

He just make crypto viewer in metaverse

I never sae Reactant disrespect anyone, and if youve been in that awful discord or been dogpilled on by those assholes its comical that Reactant is considered the insulting one

yeah basically he doesnt care and has left Neos, just he knows better than to publicly say so

if Sirkitree do some uncomfortable stuffs, he will be attacked for this one too lol
U sold NCR!!

oh so youre talking about his actions -after- everyone started slandering him on discord?

Im 100% sure that more and more "Reactant case" will come out

wow he retweeted something. such engagement.

community will go to one side only

In Discord, they wish the demise of NCR and don't want encryption

https://twitter.com/XaosPrincess/status/1507139305889804294?t=kh6QykdeR2stnRzHAN5YMQ&s=19

yep got stressed why?

My money is on Gearbell next.

Reactant did what he thought was right and I respect him. I dont think his reaction was out of placr considering all he did for Neos only to get treated like shit.

yeah. he's opinion was not in the same view as the main discord communities

he made that money on his own by investing. No one was going to bail him out if NCR failed. He gave free publicity to Neos and his videos were some of the best

its not just "drama" that got him stressed. it was that one party savaging others made him stressed

this. they want to revise history and say Reactant was hated for other vague reasons.

do u think Geenz is professional?

he's also masked off now

yeah, only AFTER he was being attacked.

it's honestly laughable the way the discord has responded to Reactant's posts when they have been publicly spreading shit about Karel being an abuser and modern-day slaver for months

and after he left.

absolute hypocrisy

She seems to have similar issues with the neos community that Reactent did. But she is too much of an icon in the community to speak up about then. Maybe I'm wrong. She will probably keep her head down.

https://twitter.com/GearBell/status/1502725565022826496?t=-21f7s-CyJebEd1IMrYvDQ&s=19

basically this. some of these people want to be neutral and Reactant mistakenly referenced her

They love metaverse but do not take ncr as payment

we all saw it and honestly its not as bad as ppl try to make it out to be.

honestly that twitlonger sounds like karel was hurt after he let Froox live rent free with him for years

I do not think this user and reactant are same

Their living arrangements was collaboratively designed by both of them to maximize Frooxius's productivity. It is a bit unfair to claim abuse after the fact.

and I mean is it outrageous for startups to live together?

except it was Karel's family providing

maybe the living conditions sucked, I dont know, but years of free rent isnt to be completely shrugged off

😂

He never got the chance to hire people properly.

do you know how ridiculous you sound

youre being ridiculous to impy he wanted that

As soon as they had a significant amount of funding things went shitwise.

Never had a chance to properly structure things and hire people for real.

an "indentured servant" like wtf. Throwing around words to make a situation look bad to slant opinion in your favor. Call it what it is: free rent and food while you get to work on your hobby project

... "hobby project" ...

you dont know the meaning of the word "indentured servant"

then he couldve judt moved out on his own? what was stopping him?

and Neos wasnt making money until recently

DONT YOU KNOW THAT KAREL PUT LOCKS ON THE DOORS!!!

its NOT UNCOMMON for startups to slum it up together and share expenses early on, especially when said startup is not profitable

except only Karel's family was footing the bill

not only not uncommon but basically unavoidable unless independently capitalized and wealthy

Karel you don’t want a DAO?

thats not an indenture servant like damn. am I the only person who pays rent anymore?

right, so people saying Froox needed a fat salary like a senior engineer is so silly when the company wasnt even making money

Youre giving me free rent with your family? I'M A SLAVE!

right Ill agree with you on that 200%. But ppl still take all liberties to try to tell me what to think about the situation.

and as someone whose moved around dpzens of times and slummed it up in bad situations, I know it can be emotional and rough

Calling him an indentured servant is really disingenuous. They were working on a startup. They specifically designed a setup to remove all destractions from Frooxius's development workflow. Frooxius's intentionally outsourced financial matters to Karel. Read about it in frooxius's own blog.

speculation is not allowed in the discord unless it's to make comparisons of Karel to Hitler

they dont want to acknowledge that Karel worked hard too

or atleasdt the kids on discord dont want to acknowledge that

kkk

it seems its biting Karel that he trusted Froox too?

Karel literally offered to buy Froox a green card to the US, set up a US based branch so they could hire people, and allow froox to hire whoever the hell he wanted.

Would be nice if the OG's had not of intentionally broken through the buy wall.

crazy how letting your team badmouth your own fundraising scheme can fuck over your funding huh

After they kicked out the guy who raised it for them.

no, because that was ETH which peaked in november. if they hung onto the ETH it still would be half of that.

and I bet geenz and co would be suing karel trying to get that ETH.

buyback happened cus the price dropped
why the price dropped?

asking the big questions lol

other metaverse crypto projects have not fallen half as much as NCR has

yes. $3 is acceptable cus all other coins did same.
buf $0.3 is the problem here

You guys seem to act like whales arent in the Neos discord watching what the devs say.

🥇gold medal in mental gymnastics goes to the Neos discord

There was rampant dog piling on Karel in the NCR discord far before anyone, even Karel, began posting insider information.

thats actually shocking too
cus the devs were talking behind his back always, and pretended never saying anything before february

knows nothing but Froox

and NCR holders knew the only person who gave a shit about NCR was Karel so.. and also the devs being openly anti-crypto. When your devs are openly anti-crypto and want to veto any expansion of its usecase, what is there for investors to speculate over?

so the price falling is not because of Karel too? only market is to blame?

No, the accusation of Karel being abusive and holding Frooxius hostage. People shit on Karel for going public with a lot of information, but a lot of what he said was in defense.

the word "Froox" changes to "Karel" and ur opinion will differ

its meme coin so it dropped after the hype. magic

well opinions differ so.. lets leave it there

btw, the devs are opposing the original plan also. remove ncr? that's so responsible volunteer act

maybe what do u think about dev saying "wanna remove NCR"

also blame Karel for this one? magic

at the same time using buybacks to essentially bait new buyers into NCR

so Karel has done something without consent from volunteers, so saying "remove NCR" is justified?

I can agree with Froox tho

team members dont have any right to say "remove NCR" IMO...

do they?

well removing isnt just an positive/negative stuff..

i can say Iphone sucks when I work in Apple, but removing some functions and making public to believe is not my right

yes I can agree Froox saying some, but the others not

team's opinion can be same as Froox or could be not

yeah, dev are specifically trying tp make ncr bad

cus its "Karel's work"

get the point now?

anyway im gonna go sleep.. sorry if I offensed u.

there's always both aspects to see

if the devs really hate Neos they should just move on. Any good dev should be making mid 6 figures with ease in this market

So far I only have seen accounts against various neos user, impersonating them and trying to speak in their names.

Are you now going on a Personal level?
I spoke out what is fact. They needed to report various accounts today.

The professional circles within the furry fandom operate like a fraternal organization. As somebody who has been involved in it for years I've seen a lot of nepotism and back-scratching within the community, to the point where in certain places like Silicon Valley being involved is seen as a career move.

lol in my FAANG experience you 100% do not need to become a furry to get ahead

I think its more about the strong anti-capitalist anti-crypto attitudes within the furry community

Virtue signaling. I think there's a lot of hypocrisy in the community.

They'll say crypto is bad for the environment on Twitter while also driving up fursuit prices to insane numbers from their crypto earnings.

The irony of the furry fandom is that everybody tries to larp being a socialist who hates money but the entire thing is rooted in capitalism, all the way from the vast dealers dens at conventions to the social hierarchy being structured by how much money you throw at a fursuit. Art commissions, costume commissions, the entire thing is one big capitalist marketplace but if you even remotely suggest that it is - it's insta-outrage and denial.

Which still is.
But there are some very popular builders and their prices explodes. Which is normal when you are just completly overwhelmed by demand.

My point is that the demand is being driven by crypto-rich furries. That $50,000 coyote suit on dealers den was sold to a bitcoin investor.

It was an auction, and it's becoming more commonplace.

Which is why I think the anti-capitalist mantra from the fandom is hypocritical, especially when furries say that crypto is bad while also profiting from it.

It's a symptom of a larger problem and it's something we're even seeing with the Neos developers and from within the community itself. I know for a fact that certain people who have been vocally anti-crypto have also greatly profited from NCR, and the majority of them are coming from within the furry fandom.

Which circling back around - is why I say the anti-crypto anti-capitalist rhetoric is virtual signaling.

Furries have mastered the art of weaponizing victimization to emotionally manipulate people into joining hate bandwagons against people they don't like. What we are seeing right now is the result of a coordinated attempt to discredit and de-platform Karel from his own product because he refused to fall in step with the furry groupthink. I believe this takeover has been on the table for a long time and they never planned on working with Karel in the end. It's textbook divide and conquer tactics. By sinking NCR and dividing the community, they believe they are minimizing Karel's involvement.

Fuck off you plant. Nobody here believes for a second that you are anything but a sock puppet trying to give fuel to the discord group.

Yeah can we not with the threats?

Can we actually involve law enforcement on that? Death threats are illegal in many places on the earth afaik

Karel can you please give someone the ability to moderate shit like this while your sleeping? There is no one since reactent left.

Looking from Karels perspective, there is no one yet to trust in here, I think. From all sides.

The amount of text in here RIVALS The Odyssey by Homer I swear

I was there at the board of directors meeting in January when Karel presented the 2022 roadmap. It was very clear from the sentiment in the room that the developers were very not okay with Karel starting to act like a CEO and I believe this pushback has been a result of people not wanting him to be anything more than a CFO. They've always seen Frooxius as the real head of Solirax and now they're trying to actually make that happen.

its like that when you only hire your friends

the effort to get all devs to sign off on karel being the problem is to create a vague narrative without substance, but thats not hard to accomplish when youre all friends

There is definitely a lot of nepotism that happens within the furry tech community and Neos is no exception. It would be easier to empathize with their concerns if this takeover situation wasn't such a cliché for furry projects. I've seen it happen enough times in the past to know how they operate, and in the end it's all power and control games. The Second Life viewer development circles were very similar.

well said

and in this case such a transparently obvious attempt

Well for what it’s worth, I’m glad that Karel is at a full gloves-off mode. They are not here for a dialogue so there’s no point in pretending that there can be any. I do however suggest that Karel release a statement outlining what exactly happen that lead to this fraction. Fragmented twitter responses don’t paint a helpful picture and drags neos’ already tarnished image further down the toilet.

For example, tagging Geenz’ employer on twitter was an unnecessary cheap shot. I know that geenz did much worse by trying to ruin Karel’s life project and waste people’s money who only wanted to support the project, but still. IMO these kinds of emotional response can be mitigated in a well phrased statement that aims at explaining the whole drama.

This shouldn’t come off as a power struggle where cofounders publicly bitch slap each other. This should be about Karel trying to save the company from a group of deeply hypocrytical and immoral people that betrayed their commnity, investors as well as a colleague in a shockingly cruel manner, while personally cashing out on the very thing they seem to oppose in the first place.

If Karel is confident that Neos will rebound from this mess, he should act like such and approch this dispute forcefully and professionally, with impaccable articulation. This is not about the dispute itself, but also about how people would see neos once the dispute is settled, hopefully with some of the devs out of the door (not sure if I can call them that any more since they haven’t really been developping, even though they have full control over development).

If a resolution is never met I think a new platform can be developed from the ground-up with 4-5m in startup capital. Instead of onboarding part-time volunteers, Karel can build a new team of full-time professionals that improve on a lot of the aspects of Neos while keeping the in-world content creation spirit of it. Trying to market and commercialize a project while the team working on it is actively sabotaging growth and trying to keep it exclusive to their niche community is like treading water with concrete boots on. Without the weight of people dragging him down, I think Karel could accomplish great things as the figurehead of a new project with NCR as the centerpiece, even if the currency has to be re-named.

NCR had almost half a billion dollar valuation at one point. If Karel were to spearhead his own project I don't see funding being an issue.

Frooxius would have Neos as it currently stands. I'm talking about a completely new ground-up project that allows for a clean divorce between the two camps.

With that said, Karel would be entitled to NCR and all of the funds raised through it including all of the crypto wallets. I think that would be a fair resolution.

Don't really see that as much of a compromise. That is basically giving the discord everything they're demanding.

hope karel can start new platform based on crypto-funds like the victoria or bloktopia one.
interesting match between 2 cofounders. business vs hobby

furries sucks，they are all sexualdeviants

let froox fuckhimself，bitch

*coughs in non-lewd*

Just fork it, have a crypto version lead by Karel going its own direction and the other led by furries. No point fighting over this for years. Make it beneficial for both parties and just move on or this will be the biggest mistakes for everyone in Soliraxis

Karel has millions and he can hire devs to work on the fork, shouldn't take too long with Froox on it as well

everyone agrees on fork?
then the suggestion made by community, signed by community would be nice option

given the uncertainty with IP, he should be considering it as an option at the very least

in that case it would be a new project and a new token... that would be the bad thing

i dont think sarcasm of killing someone funny. i need a punchline if u gonna joke

death threat isnt sarcasm

yeah punchline like will smith would be fine

pfffffffffffff

ur providing further ammo to the discord furries you retard

I think Karel can win bigger than fork. I honestly think he could win the whole project.

welp apparently not funny. fair enough

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Things move fast

Wen we will see the ncr news?

Yup biggest joke ever and it's working like a charm

haha its April fool's day tomorrow..
hope there's joke for ncr too. envy shiba!!

I own a switch and a 3DS but those dont really compare to building on a VR engine

Not to mention homebrew is pretty janky and requires you to mod your switch

he tell the truth

for sure

I'am starting to think that "succesful" metaverses don't have a product lol

But those who have one are not

It really seems that a lot of others are just vaporware really with not really much substance

(Tokens)

Yep

Are you an active Neos user?

lets make a fork neos

lets make ncr great again

we are here

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I meant Froox working on the needed changes for the fork, the guy is a machine. Now NeosVR is dead in the water

I think it's important to remember that NCR isn't going away just because the vocally anti-crypto furries say it is. The only two people who can dictate the future of NCR are Karel and Froox, both of who are still in support of NCR existing - even if Froox wants it to exist as a 3rd party component.

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the best project I have seen disappears due to a legal dispute and goes to 0; ) sad

when my children ask what those tokens are and well. It will be said that they come from some geniuses in the scam. scammers since youth