Right but N+ essentially IS a hidden world

For hidden you need friends friends don't like chaotic worlds but public world users do it's always random who joins every day

i just think it as the same as Universe ID you can only connect to people who have it

Yes

Props everywhere you know 20fps

Which breaks you up from the general neos playerbase

the api still returns the worlds and previews on discord if you host a public session on another universe or plugin

And then it feels like a hidden session in terms of player count is what I meant

I can get 16 people into a HC+ world with me frequently

Actually interesting question. Would it be valid to make a public world with a link to a unlisted world, with an explanation what to expect from the target world and an "i agree" checkbox? Would that be in line with rules, even if the unlisted world doesnt comply to public world rules?

I don't think so

See: USFN_Orion

Lmao

You need to send your id to access that

Even tougher invite requirements

Contacts only session > list of sessions accessible all with cloud variable access.

I'm sure they would have done what you suggested if it was allowed

I don't think people just send their id randomly to get in a world

No my point was the reason they have that system is that they can't just have a disclaimer

Ah so disclaimer via Neos+ added would be cool

Maybe that's possible without patching

But why. The public rules are there for people not to stumble into questionable stuff. Not to make them unable to find it

Could be handy before joining a world yeah click orb or world a text pops up with accept these rules and then join

n+ disclaimer would not solve the issue

Oh we are talking about world rules

If it's publicly accessible it's publicly accessible regardless of disclaimer

So you know what you join before you go in to read the room

Yea. Like "age requirement" or "rules apply"

Those would be helpful but would not be a substitute for age checks or not breaking public guidelines in public worlds respectively

That's what the id card check is for

True. Would be great if neos would have an optional id check

In account

But not for any other world you just want to know what you join

That could be used by variable (age)

I disagree, I'd really hate that, but I'm sure I could still find people to hang out with without giving my ID to a company

I don't like how I had to do that for discord bots

I mean optional

It would give worlds the ability to have valid age checks

Most would not have that anyway

Ah you mean connecting your id card to Neos itself

Yeah that could be useful

I mean what do I care, Ive joined an adult session all of... twice, once by accident and the other to try and get a friends attention to talk to them in my world

Yes and only give the age number to the ingame variable

So not like it would affect me anyway

Not name or id

I just don't like trusting companies with that much information about me

Although it's better than trusting random discord groups

This is a future idea so basically you got a id card right connect it to Neos and depending age you show different kind of worlds like if your id is from Europe you can have gambling and if it's from USA you cant access those

I don't think neos should ever allow real gambling

Regardless of your country

Technically Neos is based in Europe

Doesn't matter, I think it's a terrible idea to allow it on the platform

It would cause so much drama and issues

Why tho if you block USA Id from accessing those it's good

It's not about legality it's about morality

Oh

Imagine the public optics of Neos having actual gambling in it

People will not want to join a game that supports real money gambling

Are u sure about that

Exactly

Second life had it a lot

Yea, well, doesn't matter really, its a natural question for a vr verse that is truly free

That's just one of the usecases connecting id to the game can have tho there is many more

All it takes is for someone to lose a lot of money and neos could get a lot of shit because of it

And not some limited consumer product

There is still laws

People don't understand that what people do on a platform isn't directly associated with the platform

In an ideal world I would be fine with gambling on neos

... wouldn't it be the host's problem?

Many international games got region specific personalization

Yes and it lead to a massive massive amount of backlash?

Precisely

I just think it could reflect poorly on the whole platform if we get shady gambling orgs in neos

Like WW2 games can't have certain symbols in Germany whilst in other countries those are there

Neos has no control over content in an ideal world

That's how it's personalized to the country and still open

Not to mention, if the entire system is supposed to be decentralized, then how the hell are you supposed to enforce anything like what you are saying?

I don't think I would want that.

That was changed more than 10 years ago

Oh

Its now allowed in art... it always was but computer games are now considered art

But when it comes to decentralization first there needs to be a global law regarding things in games in order for it to be decentralized

I mean, at that point, all sports betting websites must make Apache in an nginx look terrible

There isn't tho it's kfc

That's not the real one

Basically flame what I'm saying is that right now Neos is not perceive the same way Apache or NGINX is perceived Neos is not perceived as another form of the Internet like a server host for a website is it is perceived as a platform that is owned by one company and so such as Facebook or Twitter or reddit

People are going to see it as one platform not the same way as they see the Internet

I'm all for decentralization then finally there is no worry about each countries induvidual laws

If people saw Neos with headless is such the way they saw websites then I would be OK with it but for now the public perception is not in that form

Sorry if my sentences Are a bit weird I'm using speech to text and walking

You sure know a lot about what happens in private worlds where do you get this info from?

Are you involved in them

🤣wow

Small amounts of gambling amongst friends is Legal And I think it's fine on Neos the problem comes when it's an actual organization taking a cut

Once you start taking a house cat that is when it starts being a problem in my eyes

Ah so taking a cut is the not allowed part

I think if you're just gambling with some friends over outcomes of things I don't see it as a problem it's when there's a big organization taking a cut that it becomes both a legal and moral problem

Then it can be done if they don't take a cut sounds fair

Yes if they're not taking a cut I have no issue with it

Ah good good now we are getting somewhere

One step closer to decentralization

There needs to become a online law union tbh

I should have spoken a little more carefully it's not the gambling that I find an issue it's casinos and companies based around gambling making a profit

If you're just gambling peer to peer with two friends no one is going to be outraged when you lose your money because it's just you and friends

Basically a law for games that has the same law for the whole world

You get what I'm saying?

Yeah when it's private it's allowed

Yes as long as it's just bets between a few friends that's what I'm fine with, It's when it's a giant organization that is making money taking a say 5% cut and basically stealing from people because that's what I think casinos are

I think casinos are a massively immoral business

Yeah that's also what taxes are so #decenteralization

Gambling is a fun activity to do with your friends but when a company gets involved and makes money off it then I see that company as a scummy and shady company that does not deserve my respect

Taxes makes sense to me because public infrastructure has to be paid for in someway hell I'm Canadian so I definitely liked Being able to go to the hospital a few weeks ago and not pay anything because I had already paid for it with my taxes

With decentralization there would be one tax rate for the whole world from online earnings

I don't like that idea

I do because some countries abuse the tax system

Like the Netherlands

For sure

I don't know about the Netherlands so I can't comment

But I feel like each individual country should have some form of control over currency inside of its borders

Decentralization is cool, but I don't think it's a magical place free of tax and law regulation xP

Then it's not decentralized

I agree with gunnar

I don't want decentralization

Nah it will be tax but the same and same laws

At least not monetary decentralization

I like decentralized games and software I do not want my money to be decentralized

I especially don't think cryptocurrency is the way to do it

If I were to get behind decentralization of finance it would not be with the Blockchain

For example a large problem I have with the Blockchain is that everything you do is public so if anyone can tie your wallet to you they know your entire spending history ever

Yeah but also it being one law about it for the whole world is important

One system that all use

Honestly ignoring my objections about this I don't think you would ever be able to get every country in the world under one law

Online law tho

That might be easier

I don't think that matters, see: Countries that do not respect the DMCA

Sweden

"Online law" is not a thing

You can't just make an online law every country has to follow, they all have to agree to follow it. Nothing stops countries from stopping following laws about the internet they follow right now aside from backlash from other countries

And there will ALWAYS be countries who won't follow it

Anyway I don't really want to talk DeFi I just want neos updates back.

I guess that's true so basically truly decentralized it willnt be till all countries agree

Which will never happen

Good luck getting Russia and China to sign off on something that takes control away from them

Anyway this is very off-topic

This have to go to court.
The ownership has to be clarified to get to real conversation.
Otherwise, it just pends on and on.

and by the way, Karel wants open sourced so the volunteers will get what they want eventually. something like neos+

both can be happy.. maybe 5 years later..

A standstill of 5 years helps noone. There is nothing to figure out besides who owns the code. If its owned by the company, they get a copy each. If froox owns it, there is really nothing to talk about.

What is there more? The brand? As if that would have any big worth if there is no software attached.

After it is clear who owns the code, the step of figuring out who gets the brand and who pays out who should be easy as pie. I mean if both have rights to the code, well, then there has to be a talk about who gets the brand obviously, but seriously, as if that is the main issue. Neos as a brand isn't worth that much, considering the bad press it got and the trouble it gots in. I am pretty confident one of the sides could pay out the other in that.

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If CEO has fund and dev has code. Split code and split fund

Very easy

dividing up the money is pretty much a complete different issue, as it is owned by the company anyway. The half-half split is given by that anyway

Deviding up money is usually never the problem, its the intangables that are hard to split

(code/brand) because there are no clear numbers on it

code can be split, it is a fork then. The brand however, each fork might be rebranded to solve that

so like "none of them is neos".. well sure, one way i guess

however the difficulty would be, who is to be allowed to continue hosting assets. And who may still have the account database

I guess, that's why businesses are usually sold, not split

Correct me if I'm wrong, but both visions, the one shared by Frooxius and the volunteers and the other by Karel, have a good thing in common. They both don't want to sell Neos to corporates and relinquish control over that metaverse

I see it that way yes. Now let's hope that this vision can bring both sides to provide us with a resolution. The sooner the better, but my hopes are quite low actually.
What will happen is a complete mystery.

We really need a resolution

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You guys got a grant program for creators? If not, Somnium in the lead

I knew that but wanted to ask cause I don't know my way around. Drdoge.eth and I have been creating content for months

In Neos

https://twitter.com/meowmeowGeorgie/status/1573469051476742145?t=GiI4MYxOaMKeUqV5XQsPuA&s=19

What kind of content

All kinds. Mostly funny shit. We do a live sketch show on Wednesday night if anyone wants to join

It's free.99 to play with us lol

Despite it being part of the old VRBA, I never really tried Somnum

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Hello, is there anything, to rely on ? Roadmap ? Timelines ? I am kinda lost, as we all are I guess.

the main neosvr Roadmap for development when it was ongoing is https://github.com/Neos-Metaverse/NeosPublic/projects/1. but in regards for NCR or the crypto aspect nothing i'm afraid and neosvr is currently in a work standstill

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At this point we might as well consider the current roadmap outdated ?

So froox is demanding full ownership for the code he has written and won't budge at all and that's why Neos is stuck? "Nice"

Maybe, but it is speculation only since we have so little information on what's going on. I am starting to think that at this point, there is a common effort done purposely in order to leave us into the fog.

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Eth coin now accept stake. Stake for NCR soon?? Karel

Karel

Yeah I’m so happy about the recent Ethereum Merge that decreased the power consumption of the network by about 99.95%. That there wasn’t any major problem and the network is now sustainable including on chain NCR transactions. 😊

Staking was initially meant to be directly integrated with Neos Account wallets so everyone would be staking on their balance by default no action needed. That would take some time given the situation rn.

Alternatively we could do an on chain solution like Uniswap V3 Staker Contract https://docs.uniswap.org/protocol/reference/periphery/staker/UniswapV3Staker or a deal with an exchange providing staking services.

Whats your preference?

Got any good experience with these alternatives

Staker contract would need a Js UI to make it easy to use, not sure if there is an existing one we could use

Actually I see there is https://github.com/vbstreetz/uniswap-v3-staker-frontend

We could do this

Hello everyone,

We have listened to your feedback and made some updates to our website. We hope you like the new look!🚀

In addition to the usual information about Neos, we are now featuring more in-game screenshots and videos on the homepage and a separate Feature page.

We have also automated the process of adding NCR to your Metamask wallet which should save you a lot of time and energy. Now you can just click on a button that will launch a script that takes care of the rest but do let us know in case you experience any issues.

We hope that overall the site now reflects better what Neos is about and we encourage you to give us your feedback as always.☺️🙏

Also many thanks to those of you who gave us permissions to showcase their work! We tried our best to credit all authors where possible, but please let us know if you have any objections.

www.neos.com here it comes 😊

is it me or does it look the same?

You might need to delete your cache perhaps?

It's updated for me.

Lots better.

We uh still aren't partnered with Sydney University though.

so good to hear :)

just please say some good words each other

+ uniswap staker would do fine for me

if we could deal with major exchange, that would also be great

Thank you.
I belive Neos is being sucessfuly used as a teaching aid at the School of Geoscience which is part of the University of Sydney.

However if this is an outdated or incorrect information or the University of Sydney has a problem with their logo being displayed, we would be of course happy to promptly remove it.
Thank you for your kind feedback regarding the rest☺️

Ahhhh the geoscience stuff, I'll have to double check on that one.

It's also a problem with the definition of partnership which can vary from: "They use us" to "we have signed paperwork"

No problem, thanks for the comment. Please do reach out to me directly regarding this or any other technicality. For sure we want to have things in the right order ☺️

Hello, well done, can't wait to get more updates !

I like most of the updates to the website, though I noticed some of the UI elements are still wonky on mobile user agents, and towards the end of the features page there's a misspelling of session

Karel, @malooniac , I was wondering, since the former mass communications director resigned, are they any plans intended regarding social media communication, promoting, advertising marketing ? Ty