Yeah faolan has been really busy making it into a c# library

as long as it works on OpenGL and it's not vulkan only it will be a good idea owo

The first stable pre release is out so can already be build with

It works with both

It's Godot

Aw good, my GPU doesn't support Vulkan so I couldn't test it if it was vulkan only

Godot is a open source game engine like unity but some people just want rendering or other parts of it that's what libgodotsharp is for since Godot is open source you can use pieces in it

open source 😋

Yeah so you don't get weird licensing issues as in unity

So libgodotsharp would be the best option for new rendering for Neos

the problem is that, would it work with existing assets?

It Godot rendering works on Android on Mac on Linux on windows both OpenGL and Vulcan are supported

Yeah the shaders needs to be converted to Godot ofc

But that's for any new rendering engine

Not sure how converting shaders goes

true, if that process is automatic the transition to a new rendering engine would be smooth, because no one wants to go in every material of everything and convert manually

it would need to be invisible to the user

I don't like Godot, and moving to it won't "solve everything"

There is no alternative

Not everyone has a bad experience with Godot

There are many alternatives

I have 0 bad experience with godot.

Godot is the best choice ever since libgodotsharp is a thing

It isn't but ok

Either that or having to build a whole rendering engine from scratch

It is A choice, there are many

Are they in c# Library form?

Or will it be a huge overhead by having it run an entire game engine besides Neos

Oh yes, there are many libraries and engines that run in C# alex

Monogame 😋

I used to make game engines with Monogame, its a lot of fun to work with uwu

Godot doesn't have licensing issues

It's not gonna be ue5

Stride is bad so not that either

Someone else already tested what would be the best engine for vr and it's Godot

Unless you want to waste 3 years trying to get different rendering engines to work 🤷

Neos needs a good rendering engine

I can't build Neos

Only froox can he has the code

*builds neos*

*adds a "Alex do you remember that we have an engineering team and that they exist and do stuff" logix node*

aushausuh xD

I have not seen any rendering engine work

there's a metaverse thing called The Mirror being built with Godot 👀

There is many but it ain't neos

its like Neos but its still in closed beta (and I got access to it)

it doesn't have LogiX tho its GDScript

better for desktop I guess?

Yeah but we want Neos

same

Neos in Godot using libgodotsharp good performance and then new ui

"good performance" is not just a matter of switching tools

Or Neos written in CheeseRenderingEngine TM (Powered by cheese) and then new UI

I think you're too overly focused on one particular tool Alex.

Ooo that's a good rendering Engine, it can render cheese in Ultra 128K with HDR++++ and it supports Dolby Ultra Max Extreme XR 128Dimensions audio

Bruh

Never serious

CheeseRenderingEngine is also always up to date, you never have to update it. Because it's just literally a block of cheese and as we know cheese matures with age.

oh that got me 😂

Well it's gonna take really long then to switch to a new rendering engine unless there is a hidden Neos with full rendering engine made by Geenz in a year hidden but i doubt

The user numbers are dropping a lot now there is less than 100 vr users online

And then it doesn't matter anymore at a certain point because then even if you magically released a Neos 2.0 people will then always remember it as no updates and not even try anymore

Just use the rendering engine that is already there and works: godot

and also Unity

-_-

Unity has been around since 2006

It uses unity but it's got major overhead because of it running unity at the same time as Neos

how so, my GT 430 can run neos just fine xD

Laggy

but still playable 😉

It's gonna be Godot or 3 years of trying all other rendering engines and then becoming Godot after 3 years

godot is not that performant tho

its still too new

It's the best it is open source and already works fully

and they re-made the entire thing with Godot 4 so its not that "stable"

We will see in 3 years i guess

I wish I had a time machine 😔

Neos will have a new name by then that's for sure

That's certain

it will be called neOS and become a full operating system for VR Headsets

That's not serious

imagine an operating system written in LogiX for ARM Devices x3

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Hello Amelia, welcome to the Neos Metaverse - Neos Credit telegram group

optimized pipeline because every shader is solid cheese

yes x3

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Ncr start trading .06 USD and current .08 USD 😭

considering the previous dicussions, I don't think anyone really cares about NCR anymore

it only caused problems for everyone

with a lot of the emotional baggage revealed earlier... that much should be obvious.

The furry community did nothing except continue to use the platform you banked on. If anything, they, and every one else on the platform, furry, anime, robot, human, whoever, cared more for the soul of the project.

Afterall, on the website itself, the platform was designed for everyone. I find it funny that is still a constant rebuttle with VERY LITTLE evidence of people investing into NCR trying to actually help the platform.

and those who DID, ended up loving the platform for what it is: a powerful system that could encompass almost everything people wanted in a virtual world, be it in Desktop, VR, or even mobile

Neos became a place where I recall seeing people who brought their NFT models in and made them functional, given a purpose other than just a three dimensional art piece with a receipt attached. Those people then learned how to use various tools and understand complex concepts, all backed by their experiences from trying Neos

They began to make their own assets, their own art, to compliment what they uploaded. You can have a negative opinion on NFTs, but still give credit to the effort they were putting into respecting the system

same goes with NCR: People purchased it, then looked around, and became more than just fans, but their own power users

No one has wished harm on Karel. If anything, you seem to be the only person to bring it up

you seem to have an issue based on a fandom...

That's very strange. Whenever the platform is ever brought up, it's always "the furries" this and "the furries" that. Never the people actually on the platform... even if the majority fit the bill...

But if that's the pettiness one wishes to go, then so be it.

There's been no evidence of that. Again, the only people who seem to believe it reside in this echo chamber.

This has time and time again been proven to be an unsubstantiated rumor with no Merit.

If you have evidence of it submit a ticket to moderation.neos.com

Again Rumor without evidence.

I can make up rumors too.

I heard Flame doesn't like cheese.

Again... there's no evidence... and last I checked... no one was fired... There are no announcements regarding such a critical change...

Blaspheme!

(Except Brie. That stuff is really not fun to cook with)

Alternative theory, the people who don't like other people are making up rumors to undermine their stance.

You know, one of the most common fallacies https://www.logicalfallacies.org/

Boy, don't take a look at other platforms then...

Ok, now that one is actually true. But we have rules and guidelines in place to separate those systems. When those rules are breached account restrictions are imposed on the users.

We also work with businesses and educational places to further segregate those users using additional features that exist inside neos.

The various 'universes' system, which barriers users to only allow access within that universe and other users also in it?

Yup

Plus most of the educational work has been done in a completely separate product Neos: Classroom

That's incorrect, I don't have them to hand but Karel has made several remarks regarding adult content, that you can search and read. Generally/afaik he'd like some changes to better support both sides of that argument but he's not for the complete removal of such content.

Do you just have a book of rumors that you periodically repeat on loop?

I'd encourage you to write my answers down in your book.

Honestly, Karel wanting to enhance the regulations is a bigger step than what the more popular platforms have done... So not sure why people would be mad at him over that.

I'm fighting for the truth, the dismissal of baseless rumors and to get us back on track to making a project. But thank you for assuming my intentions instead of just asking me about them.

that... collaboration argument falls apart on so many levels...

Like, riddle me this: Say that is true. Say that the virtual dimensional representative of dairy products Prime and Geenz did want to damage the entire platform for personal interest... Uh... then what the heck are they going to do with an empty platform?
Like, if that's what everyone is using, including themselves... why would they want to damage it? That's like the meme of sticking a rod in a tire of a bike and claiming to be a victim; it holds no water.

He... didn't....

I think your comments are now straying into against the rules of this telegram sir, https://wiki.neosvr.com/Neos_Telegram

So i'd encourage you to be kind.

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You are also deleting your own comments to redirect the narrative

You are referring to the team as "immature furries" and calling them children.

It is straying into the "not kind" region. That's all. I'm not a mod here after all. I just like to ensure you're aware of the rules.

I don't need to be told what occurred in the conversation... I was very much there as it was being written...

and none of what you have said was even mentioned there

Ok, you didn't refer to the team in that light, but you did to our users, That's still not that kind. But I digress.

....yes, but also notice the statements regarding payment... all in ETH....

you... do know you get taxed mega hard with crypto, right?

and it contributes to... nothing. No social security or anything

So... not sure how that's playing victim when the amount they'd be paid would effectively be cut down by about 30%, let alone gas fees, when it comes to their earnings

Considering they have to be paid in EUR, that means the crypto is being sold to pay for it. If you can do that to pay a monthly bill, you can do that to pay a person.

However, money wasn't really the factoring concern for the team members. That has been a consistent reminder every time it is brought up.

Patreon and any ETH donations, I guess. The NCR token is/was supposed to be a supportive token regarding your charity towards the system's development, which could be possibly used in the future to supplement the market once it was completed.

In otherwords, people who speculated on its value and tried to turn it into a stock ultimately destroyed its meaning, and thus also destroyed its value very quickly, since it was never intended to be handled as such

More or less...

I'll buy the reasoning behind that concept for a dollar

Dope

While the latter part was mentioned a few times as a suggestion, it was also suggested to look more closely at the bills themselves, since it was just a general summary of all items into their departments.

and.... who receives the money?

Which, by the way, the Patreon WAS earning more than 20k a month prior to all the stuff going on

so... it was VERY sustainable...

This channel has done nothing but discuss a digital currency to infinitum, ignoring what even gave it any value. Everyone cared about rising numbers, but not a strong foundation.

Even then... the people who do nothing but invest and claim business facts like it's a rare genetic trait seem to have so little knowledge about the platform... they forgot Neos is P2P... meaning content can be saved locally. Should the servers go down... the content can be backed up.

Of course.... many people here wouldn't know that...

of the 500+ members here, only a handful are actual users

and they're been the most event driven community on the platform. Everyday might as well be MMC

Additionally, there hasn't been a discrimination against a cryptocurrency. All that has been presented is a system failing to fulfill its duties and being heavily flawed.

the irony being... it seems the tables are the other way: the people who use cryptocurrencies the most have the highest level of discrimination.

Adults often use reason and logic in their arguments, not calling each other children

or proclaiming knowledge is held behind an investment wall.

That might be true but i think a common perspective is to be civil and refrain from picking holes in the person and instead pick holes in their argument.

That's very strange. Now i've told you about it perhaps you can try a different approach.

To aid with this, there are many "child" investors, business leaders, entrepreneurs etc. From a basic definition point they are still children though.

So with those examples in mind, it should be logical to conclude that one's age does not necessarily determine their worth, experience or validity of points in a debate.

As such age isn't really a valid reason to dismiss someone's ideas here.

Neither is financial worth, so don't go there either.

Oh i navigate them all the time. Usually through a merging of cultural differences. Where a common merge point is "let's try not to offend anyone" this is ofcourse very difficult. But I don't think continually using the "child" argument after being informed that its not exactly seen as kind in this part of a world is very professional either.

By your definitions, no one is professional. Having had the luxory of meeting and speaking with most people who have operated or even founded the current set of social VR platforms (two of which I was interviewed for), there are no major differences in how things are handled for business operation, development, or investments.

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It's a combination of an incompetent CEO and a stubborn CTO😂

I wonder what is going to happen first - agreement between CEO and CTO, or neos running out of funds, resulting in turning off the servers.

*adds heat death of universe to the list*

There are some voices who don't even want Karel as a shareholder at all

It's irritating to see people confusing NCR as something, that it isn't and wasn't meant to be

I always saw NCR as something that is not a traditional cryptocurrency in the sense that it is not intended to be used as a medium of exchange or store of value outside of the Neos VR platform.

So, there is not really an investment into NCR, that makes no sense at all. Holding NCR was "investment" into the platform that's Neos VR. Not to get money in return, but to help developing maybe the best metaverse application that is out there

So my hope was, that having NCR, I'd get some perks in the future, that'd be exclusive to NCR holders inside of Neos VR. However I see that being destroyed piece by piece the more there's discussion in various places

What you don't understand, and what was explained a few posts above, is Karel invested 10 years in building neos, which included a lot of sacrifices and stressful situations, finally leading into a success. He wants to leave but does not want it to see it turn into ruin few weeks after passing it to somebody incompetent.

LMAO

I don't think, he thinks, and maybe he has some reasons to think so?

I wonder who in that team would be capable of doing it

they can just leave years ago

Even then, I see none of the team members to have the necessary attitude to do the things that have to be done for the investors

Indeed, we have been there yesterday

neos is a business not a child's game everything should act for the shareholder's interest

just that's simple

Though, I could guess, that every single individual required for that position, will be voted out by the team, because of their attitude

Are you sure?

Because Karel for example isn;t,

Currently it's dumb enough to anger all the investors, if they knew what they are doing

It angers me as well. However it's up to them to come clean about it to save the future of Neos

so the "smart " team wasted 5 years not to update the UX and open source which stop the funding from investor ?

so genius

it is actually even worse

enough said

can you read?

The CEO is the executor who represents the interests of the shareholders of the company and is responsible to the shareholders

If employees cannot carry out the decisions and instructions of the management, the solution is simple, just replace the team no matter how much contribution they have made in the past

Find someone who represents the interests of the shareholders as replacement for Karel. However Karel stays as shareholder, you see the problem some might have with that?

I heard voices against that, however not from the dev team, only from friends of the dev team

Technology will always be outdated and requires constant iteration. The company needs to continue to create profits to maintain operations. More funds-more talents-better products and services-more revenue

The CEO is decided by the shareholders of the company. Do you not understand such a basic question?

plz educate yourself more common sense

The CEO is decided by the shareholders of the company. Do you not understand such a basic question?

if u can read

guys, I think you are not on the same wavelength currently

he is a bot

i am just for fun

@baggioblue Waz is talking about, that Karel actually wants to leave and give someone else the CEO role

@Wazzzz baggioblue talks about, what's standard procedure in a company with shareholders

However, you cannot keep a CEO who wants to leave. The shareholders would have to find a new person for that role then

and the whole team

what about it?

The shareholders ask for profit and the develop the neos

You know that, how?

Then we can also replace the whole software stack and start from scratch

No shareholder in any company will put up with a team not following through on management's orders, for whatever reason

not that hard

That's actually any other company could do. Start your own company from scratch and do it

the codes is assets of the company

Which is what the fight will be about

thats not been their forward position afaik

why you always say start from the scratch?

You imply it, but don't know it yet

it is a company it is business

man?

New CEO, new team. That implies that you could also start from scratch as well

code base is meaningless, if you replace the whole team

cant say that for certain without seeing the code

it isnt a game

cods is made by human someone can code the other can either

Actually... enterprise grade applications are those beasts, where no one knows how it works and you can replace the whole development team and still be productive

Have you ever heard of a company where the team doesn't want to work under the CEO, I've never seen one

Neos is no way like that

their comments have been they dont want to deal with either and that NCR is "Karel's thing"

NCR has no value outside of Neos

not by the team at least

People can't always live in their own imagination

Karel said he wants out?

man the world is bigger than you think

Interesting

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And looks like baggioblue isn't only against the team, but also against Karel and probably everything that is Neos as of today

I see that as something, they should just start their own company then

because the team
Can't generate profits for the company Can't attract more talents Can't make the company a respectable company

The team has said in the past they dont want NCR holders anymore.. And the team has said they have no plans to support it. Karel was the only onw who said he intends to support it

to say Karel is the only problem is not true

So effectively the team pulling the rug?

its always been implied theyve wanted to pull the rug out on them

in dream？

WHO IS THE BOSS,SIR

theyve been asked this "could you hire a blockchain dev to.manage NCR and build out its features" and the answer was "we want nothing to do with it".

I don't think it is the whole team. It's only a few or maybe even a single individual wanting to pull the rug. Might even be that naive, not even realizing that those actions result in a rug pull

answer me plz

This came after it was pointed out they could fork NCR and take control of it. An option they apparently didnt know existed or was possible

plz do more home work first

it's more like a 45-45-10 share, with froox and karel each having 45 or some other number

LMAO

Yeah but its my belief that the team opperates strongly from groupthink and would be quick to ostracise a crypto-positive member (of which I dont think there is one)

u dont know who is the true boss

And I think the 10 was Rothenberg Ventures, I might be wrong though

Rothenberg Ventures is so kind

Not any more

they just let the team waste so many years

that's true

I wonder how far the development got in these years so far, should it still be in development

sorry

Either way its been pointing out in the past that if Karel left, they could still fork NCR for its user's sake. Their response was that they didnt know that was possible (which is funny because they often talked about being knowledgible on the topic) and then that they had no desire to. Theyve implied that NCR is around only because Karel is. And I havent really seen a single word from a dev implying otherwise.

I don't see what forking of NCR would bring at all or how it might even work

Karel apparently controls the keys to NCR and manages it

However, from the buy backs, a lot of NCR are available to the company. If being smart about it, developers could implement utility in Neos. These could be sinks for NCR and that'd effect demand for NCR, which they could use to turn all the NCR from buy backs back into usable money

Thats been said to be a main excuse to rugpull NCR

There you have it, finance for Neos being safe, thanks to NCR and the buy backs

NCR down fro $9 to $0.08

It could be. It needs to be thought of and discussed in earnest. I dont think there's an ability to do that. Either because the team's general feelings, philosophy, desire to appease the mob or the work/knowledge involved.

I'm afraid you might be right on that

We're positive on NCR here but over on the discord they are pretty mask-off hateboner for it and thats who the devs listen to

the hate for Karel is more an extension of their hate for crypto

NEOS and NCR should and have to attract more new user who support

even with ETH PoS transition, it showed it wasn't about the environment to the community, it was about emotional sentiment

I can tell you where my hate lies. It's fully on the pump and dump scheme that was done on NCR and the whole aftermath it caused

why the team so negtive?

Im one of the few people left here who give a damn about NCR holders

I am one of the NCR holders myself

i still accept ncr for codeing stuff and 3d printing still so eh XD idk if you would calle me a supporter or postive towards it but eh

this was a industry wide move but the moves on NCR were exaggerated because NCR was very low cap and when the drama started, the team went very anti-crypto and if anyone is holding NCR and seeing thr developers for it see it with disdain or apathy, no one wants to hold onto that

but Neos team is out of touch and took the market moves personally it seems

And there are these wallets that made a lot of profit. And people are looking for possible owners of these wallets and want to shift the blame on people

the team rug the investor

and the infighting announcements sure hurt their holders. I would compare NCR to something like MANA if I was curious what NCR could look like if the team didnt turn on their own holders. Still bad but much better than this. And Neos is a much better product I'd add.

some of those wallets possibly belong to devs

as they might possibly belong to Karel, or maybe even you. We won't know who owns them until they are being used

Of course we are seeking blame and those wallets are a neat thing to assign blame, but we don't know who owns these. It's all speculation

so MANA topped out at $5 at the peak of the craze. Now its at $.5 so thats to say its doing about 10x better than NCR

😅

if NCR didnt have devs and community that were hostile to the holders, I think itd be fairing better than MANA actually

agree

as a general community member tbh talking about utility it was more based on users creating utility due to we can access it through the tipjar events component and intergrate it into stuff i did a social experiment with it where people could buy plots in a town world, though most "holders" i spoke to a year ago never touched the game. so implimenting utility seemed pointless to me as the ones with the currency didnt want to play the game.

it's a matter of utility, I think. Implement sinks for NCR into Neos VR (more than just storage) and the value might go up again

and the organization and funds wouls be alot healthier too imo

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the team ruin everything

I think its more of sentiment, but then again I think in the market sentiment>utility (atleast for now, utility always catches up... usually on the downside)

I was thinking that Marketplace might be a nice way to create a sink for NCR. However that doesn't seem to work very well

how lucky of them, to have ppl funding the game? We should find weird ideologicsl reasons to attack them.

im not attacking you ? personally i wanted ncr to succeed as a ingame token no idea about its future.

Im being sarcastic because thats a common excuse to attack the NCR holders thst they "dont actually play"

Like, if any transaction on the Marketplace would have to be done in NCR, with a percentage of NCR being removed as fees, that could have been another sink for NCR. As a parallel, the marketplace of second life works like that. You can buy with dollars and they are converted to L$ and a part of that is paid as a fee

most of them did not the ones i talked to or contacted some did such as the Pizza dao and i helped them set stuff up but aside that not many interactions

I am a NCR holder who actually plays

i know you do i see you basically every day XD

yeah its just the marketplace is kinda vaporware

And I am out of ideas for sinks to NCR, which would actually be able to create financing for the dev team

NCR IS something like ETH in Ethereum network

Used to play, now Neos is like a badfeels zone because Ive been treated so bad by the community and devs

Nope, not really. ETH can be used to pay gas fees, but NCR has no value outside of Neos VR

theres tons of ideas and uses for an ingame currency... its just none of them are able to be discussed freely.

really?

NCR can be used to pay for storage in Neos VR. That's a sink, however it only frees funds to be used to pay the azure computing costs so far, if any NCR would be even used for that

ncr can do everything as other mainstream token on defi

If you.discuss NCR utility, the discord will attack you, the devs will shut you down for community karma, and youll get draggged into pointless argunents with people who have too much free time

swap lending farming staking

NCR is not a security. By only holding NCR, you still aren't a shareholder NCR doesn't make you own parts of the company

So NCR uses can only be discussed here, which is a quarantine the devs dont look at.. and if they do, its to sneer at

they are so rude

i still discuss ncr in the main discord sure some hate me because of it but that doesn't stop me.

imo it should, lol. I personally think the whole situation is a type of fraud and NCR holders should be entitled to their dues

would be fun tonsee us all own a small part of a worthless company

we all obviously care about it in different ways

I did briefly but I could read the room and I wasnt helping. Devs dont give a shit about alternative perspectives. More likely youre just entertaining people who fancy an argument

and devs who enjoy interjecting like little lords

long time ago so maybe Im wrong

honestly might open a thread in there on the discussion for utility and see what happens just write up a few ideas to have a discussion since i dont rly see much arguments

i will try to contribute because Ive posted ideas in the past

sure 2 sec

I personally liked the idea of a mainland server or landing zone with spaces rentable with NCR

made a thread

Ill try to post at some point, but Im way tired

place is relatively positive today

well the thing is i could easily make worlds that use ncr but actually telling my external server someone did a transaction but then also try not to give users in the world builder as they might tamper with the system to break it

like you need to think of things from all possible angles

yeah sure its kinda weird concept in neosvr since all worlds can just be opened and make a new session thats why you need to incorporate community / utility of the coin in the world such as if i could sell u certain assets using the coin but then again duplication items its all fun to think of a idea

yeah of course, but theyre ideologically driven. They see the word "rent" and they start accusing you of being a capitalist and that VR is not about that etc etc.

like i know the downside of doing it but if you build a community and have a reason for people to join the world

I just have had fun browsing SL's mainland and I see value in possibly a Neos one somesay

then again theres the grey area of me making gambling machines XD and hooking it into ncr but then again laws and other mess with that

so thats a terrible idea

well I've been told world linking or meshing or whatever they call it, is possible

like with SL's grids

well nested sessions with open world nodes is possible all it does is make the logix open the world for you but then your still in old one unless some close world logix is done

yeah but that's not like SL where I walk right into the other grid or can see into it partially

ah no

is that not possible because iirc I was told there was a poc where they got it working

I suppose..

Ill think about it more

ive been burned on the discord but ill try it again

https://imgur.com/a/ZkzPMde we have a similar system just without the 360 image though we could probably do it

but like im not against ncr integration with worlds its just the issue is a majority of users use steam build for ease of use and updating and due to steam policy not allowing any crypto games it had to be removed and alot of users who join wont be able to interact with the world and will probably feel left out

Wow so many messages

I just want neos to be updated and good ui and rendering engine so lot of people play it again

Ofc also support for mobile usage like quest and pico and pico 4 enterprise which got eye and face track

Tupper

Tupper as CEO for neos

for that to happen asset limitations would have to be in place or tags to tag something as pc or mobile without that it aint happening those devices dont have alot of ram

Wait no we need faolan as CEO for neos

alex i know your being satirical but keep the topic grounded

🤣🤣

Probably gonna be probableprime tbh

like it wouldnt be too hard to keep track of transactions through a node js http get and post from neos and just have that manage stuff but meh

actually why not i make a simple thing to do that throw it on github and call it a day XD

Or business lawyer as CEO he seems to know a lot about business 🤔

ok enough speculation as that only creates rumours

Who do you think would be a CEO?

I like rumours

Like the rumours that there is a hidden neosvr 2.0

With the new geenz rendering engine and updated ui

you mean conspiracy theories that do nothing but confuse people do not help

Yeah those 😂

didnt he also post a funny email for applications XD

Yeah I hope the CEO will not be a furry tbh too much drama with furries

I'm a furry so I know the drama it happens a lot

That's a bit mean

Furrys do run the entire IT industry

Just furrys are not good leaders always let drama go in the way just name 1 furry CEO that is successful

Hmm you got a point there 🤔

He's not been involved with drama yet

just thinking about this for a second. one of the most creative hobbyists that put time into stuff for free and make content for a platform that is based on community made content kind of makes sense most of the worlds on vrc are made by furries and avatars people use, also if you own a smart watch with a heart rate monitor in it... well sorry to say the tech behind that was made by a furry XD sure the community is full of drama but that's every community every platform. the whole topic and convo was going nice and smooth and actual discussions between members was the comment really necessary if it contributes nothing ?

also back onto weird solutions for utility we can currently integrate im working on some code to allow recording of transactions from ingame using node js will be on github when done.

At least it's better than the corporate culture in vrchat leadership

😮so it's true

Faolan for CEO

Wait but he's furry

I don't know many people 😶

alex as i said don't speculate as it just leads to damaging rumors as i'm sure he wouldnt be happy you using his name for this joke

Not joke

nah use the crypto term FUD XD sorry guys but i rarely get to say it

No

I just don't know many people that are good leaders

Is linka gonna be CEO?

It's gonna be waz

Easton for CEO

I think the CEO should be someone that is from outside of neosvr

Isn't neos the company tho 🤔

So if he does updates and people play it it's having a company

That would be a company in this case

Hmm I see so experience with running a business is important

Ah yes it is about business skills I just read

He's not up to it

But probable prime might be

@ProbablePrime do you want to be CEO of neos? I think you can be CEO

You have business experience

I would vote for you

I can't help it it's just too exciting

This will mean updates again

I want it so badly 🥺

I'm not biased i just want updates asap

I think things logically

Neos isnt an ice cream saloon. Replacing froox, if it would be possible, would mean replacing the one that created over half of the product. The time of work to understand it all would be staggering, even for a group of devs. And the team isn't only a group of individuals that know best how it works and work best with froox, but also the ones most interested in advancing the project, proven by them not letting anyone buy them. Saying that this is a simple case of replacing white collar workers is missunderstanding what neos is.

Is this the news they said would be coming soon? They said they are working hard blah blah blah... The project is no longer trustworthy. Fortunately I have invested in good projects in the past and ncr in low prices. But are the result still embarrassing.

Too bad for the wasted potential of the project. This is proof that mankind is descended from apes. 🐒🦧🦍
Primitive things have prevented the progression of development

Does Neos have Planet of the Apes yet?
Maybe the respective parties can negotiate or fight there

Karel and Frooxius have created something like Noes. Neos has such a huge potential. But the project does not get further because of the behavior like from the planet of the apes.

theres a lot mentioning replacing a ceo with another person
taking from some previous conversations all c-level is just a label.. no decision just needs to be made by one person
you already see this by neos development, there is a team, not just froox, who agree or disagree on their own actions
whatever "ceo" is does not need to be one person if it is not necessary, which it isn't

yet if it worked for majority of neos, why has it failed when it comes to "ceo?"

something something co-operative structures produce more stable systems.

None

wow, lots of people on tonight

None

I wonder how many of those are new alts

sadly, I'd say more than I want to imagine

good morning all.

GM Linka, I hope your day is full of cheese.

considering i just made a plate of crackers and red leicester and coffee then yeah i will say its going good so far

I went to a grocery store that's an extra 10 minute walk than my regular store and it had so much more cheese to choose from. But I never got there. Walking with groceries generally sucks.

I was busy dealing with a work meeting in Teams that I did entirely in Neos. Had to prepare the servers for Daylight Savings

oh forgot thats a thing

yeah... it passed the dev teams tests... but not mine, which revealed critical issues across the board

Been in VR for 8 hours

make sure to hydrate

got a facet in my dash to remind me at certain times to drink XD

after the trouble I went through, been drinking an entire kettle of tea

need all the antioxidants after that toxic adventure

Tea has caffeine so be careful

I'll be okay

If anything the "investors" should be happy. I mean it gives a chance that the project goes forward

ima just carry working on my land ownership thing ^_^

What land ownership 🤔

UWU

Digital land ownership are ponzi schemes 😂

That reminds me of that one game

Yes

crypto 🤑

As long as land ownership won't be the main thing like in SL i don't want Neos to become like sl

It's crazy that you need to both pay for a sim and then also pay for pieces of land and when the sim goes down all land goes away too

I see it being cool for things like as the Minecraft plot system in popular worlds but having every world have that would be aweful

Yes Neos east Japan is really cool

They made lot of the top 1 worlds in Neos

Yes, you are surly the crown example of professionalism. I am sure with your advanced perceptive abilities and confidents to be right, you will go far. Starting with your constant threats and belittling behaviour, everyone will know you are a real professional^^

But digital payments always was gonna be difficult in international games because especially USA games only accept cc which you can't get on default in eu countries

So having a game relying on external payment is just not gonna be well

NCR was really hopeful for eu because then you wouldn't have to deal with any of that but now it's ruined 😐 hopefully Neos will intergrate still an ingame currency but just not based on crypto because that brings additional complexities with it too

In eu crypto has a different law in each country

So then you get the same issue as the cc issue where some people just can't pay

Do the sl currency approach

But not the forced land ownership approach

online land ownership 😂

Neos was always acceptend of any currency, import, export of data and information. The only thing that makes NCR special is that it is integrated into the system as being a virtual bank for secure ingame trade of that currency

But it wasn't thought about the issues crypto would bring in outside usa countries

Till there is a universal law on it it will remain difficult

Yeah in turkey crypto is banned

In eu you got different law for each country in some you need to show every transaction because law

working on my own system with a node js server all my stuff im working on is in a discord thread in main discord

also u could just join the world to see 🤷‍♀️

how does it work 🤔

Logix

I mean how does the land ownership will work

To be fair, turkey isn't a good reference for anything related to self governance concepts... i mean its like being surprised north korea isn't all that good with personal freedoms

Netherlands has one of the worst laws regarding crypto to people that had a lot of NCR before the 1st of January 2022 rip

Actually you can refuse crypto currencies with any build of neos, its just that the steam build doesn't have NCR integration, because of rules steam set

Neos isn't allowed to have crypto currencies implemented in anything they want to have on steam

currently its all in database it takes ncr using tip jar events and does a bunch of node stuff on a server backend for handeling

its half implimented rn currently coding a auction endpoint

Land ownership? In what game?

Neos is P2P. Can be self hosted, can be dedicated, but neos is not hosting servers or "land" or selling that in any form. If i am wrong, please link any reference to this.

Yes but how will the LAND ownership work? it will be like a private world for just a person how will it affect acessability and what are the advantages of buying land?

Unless they were smart and bought NCR after the value was low or sold before January 1st they have a big problem because if you had more than 50k in NCR value you need to pay the tax amount as per value januari 1st and yeah rip if you had under 50k you were lucky because then it's seen as tax free

it has no advantages aside its on a high end 24/7 headless i run but aside that 🤷‍♀️

its just a proof of concept

the whole idea of land selling in neos makes no sense since u can just open a new world hosted locally on pc

Neos plot claims when

Ooo its like buying a host?

this is more of a community experiment to see if people build a town

similar to parcels i guess from sl im not a sl player so correct me on that XD

Yeah Minecraft plot claims

what is a parcel xD

sorry I'm Brazilian

The only use of land on any platform is to generate revenue. It makes neos liable for anything users do on their platform. That is against the open access approach neos has

who said neos is doing it

its me my servers my world

neos has nothing against users doing this

My servers runs on cheese 🧀

You keep saying this but <error proof 404> not found

Yea sure, everyone can do that, i did missunderstand. In that case YOU are liable for anything anyone does on your land

Be aware of that ;)

liable of what to be exact if you host a session the host is allways liable

the host can enforce rules ontop of the guidelines but the guidelines are still enforced u break those ur still in trouble

The essence of the dispute is about the usage of funds and how rules are enforced against users. There was never any issue or sexual behaviour. You are missinformed. The incident you refering to was because of a person that was thought to be not appropriate to be a moderator, because of pre-condeptions against babyfurs. It never is or was anything about being a case of the law, just different opinions about something.

omg imagine someone running a scam callcenter on neos xD idk why I had that thought xP
ScammerPayback VR 😂

Nah that was a different issue

I followed all the drama 😂

So there was another incident beside the nex-incident?

https://imgur.com/a/GFtr3nr here is a downscaled test since im working on it of refreshing all the grids from a database