the green means unclaimed red is claimed yellow set tag to auction

Ooo looks like these minecraft servers that had a creative mode and a way to protect your "land"

but the way these work is it takes ncr through a tip jar event to claim the land

so soon as u pay the ncr it gives u the section

rn im using kfc for testing purposes

Ooo owo

just now working on the auction feature so people can list land they own for auction and people can bid on it

https://imgur.com/a/tlJFEGk there is a lot of code behind it XD

oh x3

are you using PrismaORM? 👀

just normal node.js

oh x3 how are you communication with the database? 👀

sqlite

Ooo 👀

so

when pump ncr

Agree

But it is not true

You can send money to exchanges even from public Banks. But they are thinking to put tax

No it says on Google it's banned completely

I went through turkey over the holidays every single gate in their big brand new airport is sponsored by a bitcoin exchange/company

Oh

I guess it's not enforced then or Google is just wrong

I guess the not enforced part since it's difficult to regulate it

I think your research is just too surface level read more and you'll see it's really popular in Turkey

Yeah it says the turkey central bank banned payment with crypto because of people using it more than lira causing the value of Lira to drop

2021

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/basically-savior-why-crypto-popular-184554952.html

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/04/16/turkey-has-just-banned-the-use-of-cryptocurrencies-and-bitcoin-is-already-feeling-the-stra

It all makes sense

The news stories connect only yours doesn't mention the ban

It's the same concept as driving escooters in the Netherlands yes it's really popular but it's illegal for the reason they say it causes too much traffic congestion

A lot of people still use it

You can buy em everywhere

But what is important is the law because that the truth

I find the idea of 3D space permission systems rather interesting. Second Life sim plots are restrained to a 2D lockdown on a map with infinite height, which doesn't quite make sense for VR, where everything is infinite in all directions (or at least until floating point errors).
It'd be handy for if (and/or when) worlds within worlds loading was made possible, since it'd allow the concept of conjoined worlds to be operated in a form of a cluster, with smaller 'room' worlds operating and connected to a bigger 'apartment' world, who in turn could also be connected to a city world, etc.
Of course, you'd need some kind of permissions setup that acknowledges an area in 3D space has specific permissions for a set of users for such to work.

One of the killer featurs neos was ready to receive in short order (before all the trouble with the two owners) was the upgrade to have "infinite" worlds

You know that you can have multiple worlds loaded at once and quickly switch between them right? Yes, thats a side-product or lets say base of the idea that actually makes it possible to make infinite large worlds that get streamed

If implemented, many of that featurs you discribed start to make sense

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Dope. That was supposed to be a major deal on my previous platform. It sparked a lot of debate, though, since some people weren't keen on having portals open to their own private worlds and have resources basically pulled from another world for viewing purposes (hotlinking)

I mean, you can just do both.. Big infinite worlds, big interconnected networks of worlds and private worlds, small, created by a single server/player session

I could see that making headless clients very attractive, which could have boosted patreon numbers

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allo

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A lot of Japanese users bought NCR and were completely unaware that on the English side of the community, there was a huge furry hateboner wave on social media. They were trying to call for NCR to be removed way back before development ceased and all these problems manifest...

The team could have spoke up in favor of people like those holders... But instead they acted cravenly and attacked them, siding with voices that implied that NCR was only held by people who never played the game, instead of the majority being held by people who actually cared about it.

Its been talked about before that part of their strategy was to throw holders under the bus to hurt Karel. They would use NCR holders by dragging them into the frey by doing things like telling the community they want to have nothing to do with the token and also that they want to remove it and make it third party.

If the intent was to flush out random investors for whatever ideological reason, whatever... But there was 0 care about who they were hurting in their pointless crossfire.

there was endless opportunity for devs to say "dont worry, whoever wins this internal battle, we're still committed to taking care of our funders"... But they didn't because it would make alot of foxes angry.

So naturally those people had no choice to hold hope that Karel would fight in their favor.

You can think what you want, say what you want. But what is with the furry hate?

I dont hate furs. I hardly said anything bad. And I know my characterization of the situation is off.

Like I can suck up getting called a cryptobro and ppl assuming all kinds of shit about people who like NCR, I think they can handle getting called foxes or whatever.

We don't know without looking carefully onchain and even then it would be assumptions. We know they've been selling NCR for like 5 years now atleast? As a bonus for supporting patreon, and insiders were free to sell their stake before taking public positions against it.

Some of this drama was actually because Karel controlled withdrawls and there was legitimate fear over not being able to cash out unless HE said so

I dont know how to find out what dev owns what wallet. Its all onchain but Ive not tried to figure that out and I'd like to hope this stuff just eventually gets resolved in everyone's favor.that no one would care to.

if someone talked bout it i dunno

I see, there is still the confusion between NCR holders and investors. Investors are those that hold shares to Neos VR. NCR holders usually don't have any shares and aren't investors in Neos VR. However, if they got their NCR through any minting, then they are supporting Solirax financially without actually investing.

...so basically also all patreon backers

additionally... I guess this channel is no longer a suggested location for project updates, given the current ongoing... situation...

I know some info about this but not specific numbers

Actually only from one I know

I don't know if the others made money from it

Nexulan said in game he bought a mansion with it so unless it was cap it kinda says how much he made

But the others didn't say anything publicly about it so I only can assume the patron amount

I am pretty sure thats not true. Most people involved in neos got totally overrun by the sudden course explosion, most of them had never seen how crypto works in the background or even knowledge and/or interest in transfering anything

Maybe 🤔 but he said it when ncr was really high in a public world with lot of people in it

Was he joking

Sounds unlikely, but if you have any information that substantiate it, its a open information chain.

What i have seen, the crash started with wales starting to cash in, non of them patreon or users that got it as payment for their work

As such, unlikely that nex even had millions

This one isn't a rumor it might have been a joke but he really said it

Only thing it can be is a joke

Not a rumor Nex has got a lot of CDFT from us that converted to NCR and was one of the first withdrawhaling and selling.

No care for NCR holders from this part of the team.

Yeah now I'm even more convinced that it wasn't a joke

Well, technically it was thousands of $ that suddenly got worth millions over night. I am still very skeptical

Also he moved to a other state so that's even more proof

Do you think I record everything

You don’t need millions to start a crash. A few nefarious tweets and a few hundreds of thousands is plenty panic will do the rest

Well, perhaps karel can help

Evidence is the things he said

Thats hearsay not evidence. But perhaps there is actual proof?

Bruh I don't know how much ncr nex had

Ask him

NCR was and is a small crypto because the scale or Neos is still small at this point, will get bugger as Neos does

nex is certainly not in that kind of situation lol

Yes he used to live in Florida and then last time I heard him talk he's now in Oregon Michigan

yes iirc

can we not make baseless assumptions alex based on other people you barely know. and im sure he was joking about the whole mansion thing cus thats some shit id say as a joke too XD

why buy a mansion and not live in it?

I don't know if it's a mansion he moved to but it's a coincidence that he moved and was talking about buying a mansion a year before he moved

basically, nex does not own a mansion to the best of my knowledge xD

but moved, yes

That's what he told yes

and there is no proof ncr had a effect on that so all this is just hersay bullshit that is just people making stuff up to have a conversation if its not factual im just tired of baseless clames from you alex and you just come up with consipracy theorys that even you yourself admitted you love doing becuause its fun to stir rumours

You know what? I just ask him. If he really did he will tell me. I mean it would have been a smart move. ;)

But probably it is the mansion he moved to

there is none, ncr also has no effect here

i know what but idc enough to say here

It's not baseless claims when he literally told me in game

But just nobody believe it as usual

Can we let it rest without proof? I will ask him. Lets see what he says

He should be given that chance

Yeah

well back i go sliding away to continue to work on my land claim project

anyone decent with uix

Fleur is really good at that

well there is literally enough evidence that nex didn't buy a mansion and that moving was not caused by ncr, shrug

We will see what he will say

brugh

I mean, last time i spoke with him was nearly a year ago, but he talked about how he cant buy a new graphics card

Bruh

Sooo... I would be surprised

Nice!

What kind!

lol being able to afford things
my facial interface is junked so i just play without one

I have a 3080 and it "changed my vr life"

x3d are the best for neos

4080 (i think)

sooo much cache..

8gb of vram isn't enough anymore I noticed it cashes a lot in vrchat

i got a 3080ti but like .... my cpu is such a bottleneck

still rocking a ryzen 5 3600

You can connect a psvr2 to a 2070 I heard

you think i got money thats cute XD

plus im using a b450

So how much of an upgrade is it really the 3 series Ryzen isnt that old yet

I think it came out in 2019

That's when I bought mine

By the way, when staking? Is it possible in the first half of the year?

Never

You need to read all the other messages

You could get a 5800 series with that mobo

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/kyqz4e/will_a_b450_gaming_plus_max_support_a_ryzen_7/

everyone asking for staking but like im more worried about the contract not having reentrancy protection to stop malicious contract calls for transfer and transfer from functions before the first call is completed which can cause unexpected behaviour

also some weird random unchecked return values so even if a transfer is successful the contract can still return false leading to confusion

lack over overflow protection the safemath is basic stuff and its still possible to cause a overflow in the balance mapping

lack of negative balance protection, so no checks if the user goes into a negative balance so in theory maliciously or somehow someone could transfer more tokens than they own but all transfers are authorised by karel i think so this is not much to worry about

Wha

I don't understand anymore

solidity code i know it i was just commenting on the tokens code

What does that do

I thought staking was like having shares of the company

Do you also want staking?

So what's the difference in staking ncr and just having ncr

Token staking involves holding a certain amount of cryptocurrency as collateral to participate in and validate transactions on a blockchain network. Stakers are rewarded with additional tokens for their participation.

The reason I want staking is because amount of the buybacks amount should be locked

True 😔 I need to find a msi ventus 3090 24gb vram

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Hi

Welcome to chat about ncr

Did you invest a lot in ncr?

Like millions?

you can't "invest" ncr

Yeah that's why I thought it might not happen because of all the messages

But I don't know much about staking

Steak is nice tho

Yum beefsteak

😂 you like steak

what do you expect karel to do if basically everyone here says ncr dead? i could care less but what's keeping you here?

The beef steak keeps me here

The memes

Cheese jokes

It's just not to be taken seriously anymore I don't know

not directly addressed to you but good to know

Hi

yes hi

I can't even 😂🤣🤣 I'm lmaoing

is there even anyone left with that much faith?

One of the most basic functions of cryptocurrency is shares

Didn't the wider crypto community see NCR going up and start thirsting over the money they could make? I feel like when that happened the fate of NCR was locked in. Once they saw the price start to drop they sold right away. Why wouldn't they?

November 2021 was the beginning of an example, how crypto currencies fail. If they actually "work" like that, they are uninteresting for any project and make no sense

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NCR isn't tied to bitcoin. Its an erc20 token so ethereum

If you could stop saying "furry" and "children" in your arguments, people might listen to you more.

For example. "The discord community..." and then the rest of your statement. Sure that's fine as a statement and an opinion. Its got thoughts and logic.

With the insults, its just rude though.

As for 'simply an Altcoin', that can be said for literally any cryptocurrency that is not bitcoin (BTC)

Additionally, would it be that much of an issue to not copy the original source graph? The poorly print screened one is illegible.
Also... no. Those numbers shown are, in fact, NCR's numbers during the entire event. As someone who has a respectable amount that I had intended to sell a majority a second time to further my experiences, I kept a close eye on it until it flatlined.

So, the irony is that your entire statement rides on distorting "the truth and the concept," yet you just tried to do the exact same distortion you just described.
In the normal world, we call that "Playing yourself."

It is taken derogatorily as they are not children and some furrys are different than others. You are grouping people together in a way designed to be offensive.

This reduces the impact of your statements

"some users think" would have been a way to not reduce this impact

So you double down by being even more rude. Great!

This is a TG chat, everything you send here is for everyone!

additionally,the people you are describing may or may not also have an NCR balance themselves, so that makes them also "investors"

Well the problem is that your collating people together.

Just say "some people did xyz" and "other people did blah"

Not all Furries dislike NCR, Not all Furries like NCR

Lots of furries aren't children.

Your problem is tone, its bothersome when just a few small adjustments would make your repeated messages much more reasonable.

Well they aren't young or children

🍿🫢

They have no manners because they are animals. Don't forget that

The manner in which you express yourself shows as being terribly oversimplified, presumptuous, and blind over text alone. Using terms you're not quite sure on how they should be phrased is risky and can be extremely disrespectful to a particular collection or group of people. Furries in particular are subject to a lot of harassment and bullying online, and calling them children is largly offensive and belittling.

Referring to any adult as a child is normally pretty rude actually

"whether referring to children as 'children' is offensive or inappropriate"

The majority of our community are not children, thus calling them children is rude. You are belittling their knowledge, experience, opinions, identity etc. By comparing them to children.

You've been told this multiple times but still use it as a term, even now when you are questioning why it is rude. We're telling you why its rude. I suggest you write this information down for future reference so you can refer to it later before you use the term "children" incorrectly once more.

This is also incorrect. In the furry community there are a variety of different ideals and identities. Some users often called "other kin" or similar terms literally believe they are animals. You can look this up. There is nothing inherently wrong with "other kin" either. I don't want to run around in a forest barking like a dog but if they do, why should we stop them.

The majority though just use the "furry community" to explore freedom of expression, identity and character.

For example, In the furry community you can create your own identity using a huge amount of variation and differences that for some can be freeing and interesting.

You can also read about this online and I'm sure there are researchers/articles/information in your native language because there are furries who use your native language, I promise.

No, because they aren't young

I'm sorry your country is like that, but most countries don't do this these days. They haven't done it for decades. There's a bunch of scientific research into this and other areas.

So, in order to continue to not offend other users. I would suggest you stop referring to them as children and instead just speak with precision of language.

"Some users from the discord community don't like NCR" - this is a great sentence that offends no one and is totally true!

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Hello everyone 👋

Hello, I hope your tuesday is going well

Hi everyone. I am sorry to say, but MK Fund is just rude in general, and i think intended. I don't believe for a moment that this is by origin or country, as they claim. I also don't see what they try to archive by being condescending against specific groups, that have most likely nothing to do with the situation.

We here apply this also the other way around, by not categorizing people from "your country" as rude and immature. Its just you.

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Got an Nes Advantage to mirror it's inputs to Neos

Isn't that a base function of neos? (I mean to work with controllers?)

only XInput compatible controllers

as in, taking an input and having Neos reflect it
https://imgur.com/l3sW5CF

so, the in-world object mirrors the real one, even if it isn't the same machine

Demo: https://fxtwitter.com/FlameSoulis/status/1635585031090388995

nice!

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Morning 😶

Also the events are way too close together, that they can be attributed to how the price changed over time. It looks as if the price dropped even before each announcement

Working in cryptocurrency has been a very interesting position for sure and creating and managing different sorts of block chains are pretty interesting. You get a lot of the 'cryptokiddies' who've never opened a a text editor other than to plug in to their favorite 9,000 decentralized currencies that are backed by yet another major currency all wondering how and why stuff even works in the first place. The way this chart flows is more liken to something called a pump and dump. just by simple nature of how some of how stocks works.

Also as someone who's made a significant amount of money in the $$$,$$$'s on various types of alt coins, using just a 1500$ rig to mine back in 2019-2021 I'd look at what happened with just the chart specifically and label this at first glance without even deep diving as a pump and dump scheme. But who knows maybe I just haven't done enough research into the whole situation. I don't think this specific situation is specifically froox OR Karel's fault. It's hard to just place a finger on the blame of an individual in this particular situation.

Who is Karol?

sorry auto correct

Karel

Most I've done is operated a mining setup from those cheap USB ASICS on a Pi. It was my baptism into actual Linux operations, bash scripting, and power management and distribution (since the Pi really can't power the ASICS purely by itself). It was clunky, but I did learn quite a bit from it, which then helped acquire the position I held elsewhere

...and doing some janky recompiling and code tweaking, because mining DOGE with a Raspberry Pi B Gen 1's GPU is just hilarious when going to the moon on the back of a snail

My smallest amount of money made since I started in 2019 was actually from mining specifically off of the 2080super before the 3060 Series cards came out. and the evga's LHR system didn't seem to be much a problem with crypto while still providing lower Watt pull from systems.

Yeah... I made only a few hundred, enough to use Humble Bundle and get my Bitcoin Adafruit badge. It was more of an education project and less of a financial adventure.

Most of my money came from the learning of how to trade and look into financial avenue of new crypto alt coins that would come out, recognize a hype train, invest in the coin, and pull out when the 'pump' phase started. Meanwhile my investment into neos vr currency was my first example of taking mined coin and spending it on projects that I liked. IE Neos VR for example I put I think about 500 in 30k out.

how many users nowadays?

does team has any strategy about increasing users?

just curious :)
hope neos thrive really

how much do u need to scale up?
how are u getting funded? by own revenue?
any target kpi?

lots of question marks

fundamentally, is there any motivation for current team for increasing users?

hope Froox has answers for these questions

Furry confirmes pump and dump

Confirms*

Well don't take this as official answers but...

How many users? Some hundrets daily. I don't know if the team has a strategy for more players, but thats really very low priority. Scaling up is not possible as long as the current crisis is not solved. There is probably low motivation to increase users at the moment.

But we can look at the history of what happened at the timing of when the coin scaled and dropped as well and news associated with it.

Users, right now, would increase cost while there would be no real advantage

what should neos do to increase users?

any marketing plans?
maybe participate any international conference?
when update?
no financial problems?
maybe more hiring?

i can see users just by googling.
not increasing for long time now

Yes, what would you want to archive with more users?

Additionally, we have seen when the platform was at its best about 3 quarters back. Of the alternatives, Neos stood out and held the most for the longest time... until it wasn't. The lack of updates didn't help, and I think people learning about the situation has put more of a spotlight on it

The software can't be updated (at least not a major update) as long as ownership is not cleared up, new CEO or otherwise split of parties

nothing to do with me. its just every economic entity should do when you develop game

Yes, but its not yet finished developed. The revenue is based on pateron from the ones that want to see it continue develop. More users may mean more money from pateron, but neos doesn't need more money or developers really. More money would only be needed with more users and its cost

So you increase risk and cost without actual increasing usefulness

Everything depends on the owners splitting up one way or another, before that happens its just stuck

haha thats not how u thrive game

In short, there are no future plans except the outcome of the ongoing situation.

A game can't thrive if noone knows who owns software or game

if neos is yet mvp, thats kinda right opinion

yep... exactly

I like Neos

Who would develop into that hole... if you don't know if you get payed, if you own the product or if anything you do has a positiv outcome, what would you do

cant deny that kk

yeah always same conclusion but anyway..

;) sorry

...welp, time to go grab popcorn...

no popcorns needed kk

But its just a fact, and sadly we can't really help... it seams there is some movement with karel saying he wants out

maybe 5 years later, we would all be good situation :)

I don't think karel is the only one at fault or anything, but a split of any kind is good and progress

Update 🥺😮

there are some problems that only time can solve

or 3rd party event could also solve sometimes

Update is worth more than NCR 🥺

for example, if there's like 100000 users in neos... someones gonna really be in trouble if not problem solved

kkk

well, i mean karel is not entirely wrong with "Open source might solve it" but really... lets be real for a moment. If you create a product over 10 years... do you really want to give up control to the public without getting anything from it?

5 years later! lets see

if Neos goes open source, I'm out. Simple.

I am not saying open source is bad, i like open source, but saying "hey lets just do that, great idea" is denying the heart-blood froox put into it

open source is also a way to make bigger oportunity

I've been down that road before

not easy of coursw

Hifi vr

very few games survivef opensourcing

Or that second life vr engine that went open source

Closed source with a roadmap is good and many some community contributions and such

I'd be more okay with the Second Life path on open sourcing, where only the client is released... but keyword is 'more okay' not 'gladly will accept'

either way, either outcome doesn't dismiss the fact that the situation doesn't change, open source or not

I am fine with both, i am just saying that i would not open source the game i programmed in the last 10 years. I don't want to take someone else control over my product. Its more then money, its personal

Money is also nice

How will Investment work in the future of Neos 🤔

wanna make money?
or just wanna have ownership?
or maybe there could be great vision for metaverse

who knows what Froox would want

I don't know, but i have seen people that did cool thing (more of prove of concept) in neos that have a possible future

the codes belongs to the company

So if froox becomes ceo he owns the code

never

One (yesterday?) is selling land on his private server network (constantly open world), another one made a game that is close to an MMO, by multiinstanced worlds that are "levels"

he is just a codeman

know nothing about business

popcorn time..
anyway good night guys,

thanks for everyone who loves neos. just keep balance :)

Or a new CEO gives froox the code

i heard my land project sup

never

ceo cant give code to froox
thats embezzlement as in Karel's side of view

business is business

I mean... there are lots of opportunities, not the last are avatars. People that go in vr have multiple reasons, but many do it to be different or reinvent themselfs (yes thats furries but thats true for many others too)

VR gives a different kind of access and more possibilities to create

What if froox becomes ceo and just hires a business expert problem solved

....I like how people seem to have forgotten that Froox owns an equal amount of the company... that's kind of why we're in this situation...

Yes, thats the problem in all of this... not him specificily owning it, but because noone owns everything

oh man

It can work

froox just did his job

Thats called an CEO yes ;)

Or an accountant

its lucky that it isnt 50:50. this problem is gonna get solved eventually.

Well, its frooxes child... he will not give up neos for money.

it is though

...it is 50/50...

that's. the. problem.

15% is in others

Didn't some investment company own a part

this is the worst ratio of share of a company

But froox and Karel own equal shares

oh yeah the rothernberg convertable assets to cash its not really a stake per say with voting rights so its not rly a percent

no. 50/50. It's in the papers.

Ah

yeah not yet

but eventually

well rotherberg is in jail so ...

Yeah.... with Rothenberg disolved, kind of... a mute point...

yeah

50/50 is actually the worst kind, yea ;) Usually one entity gets the 51% and control of the product

yeah..

eventually..

yeah they dont really exist

Lol 🤣

i mean they can sell when they get into default position?

kk

But we are at a situation where noone has control, so someone has to pay out the other party

i mean it isnt impossible

one day! that day will come

Hopefully soon

maybe.. 5 years later mm

And while neos is a product, its also nothing that can simply be sold. Without froox neos is a half-finished vr engine without any chance of being finished

We will all be happy when updates happens again

It will be celebration

dont care who owns or who earns what shit

IMO froox is the most stupid man in the world which he can make a 1b valued project and does what ever he wants

he doesnt wannt 1 billion

kk

but just ruins everything

Life isn't all about money

learned this the hard way

he will think about it maybe 10 years later

Have you ever created something over 10 years or more?

what a selfish child

There is things you don't sell, because life isn't infinite.

only a stupid man created something over 10 years

Also its not worth that much without the people actually knowing how it works. Its custom code and its also different then anything else

a project is made by teams not one person

i have to keep reminding myself when you guys say project you mean the Token and not the game as they are technically separate entities just with interop.

To get a group of programmers to understand it to the point where they could continue this project without the creator is a mute point

hope neos gets more than 100000 users

any guys who believe this?!

kk

no popcorn please..

this is which showed he knows nothing about business and how to run a project

But he made Neos

opensource first

so what

he cant build another 10years

things are changing fast

Rome wasn't build in a day

neither was the internet...

I might not know much about business, but i know about software that was developed by mostly a single person for 10 and more years. I tell you, any such software, no mather how good... is usually reprogrammed from the ground up. Because understanding such a thing is nearly impossible, even for multiple people that do nothing for month then trying to understand it.

only stupid and selfish man wanna control everything

If you actually played the game you would understand why it takes time

even then, it took even the giants like Linden Lab a good, long while to achieve its goals of a healthy market and user base. And that was all done without being open source.

so need more funs more devs

The platforms that were open source seemed to have failed entirely as well last I recall.

more or less

only the selfish man wanna control everything

Its very hard to have an open source project that doesn't fail, expecially if open source is started later. For the same reason. Noone really understands the code^^

So knowing and understanding that it makes sense to be skeptical of what the idea of that system would do now.

But trying to explain that to people is like nails to a chalkboard it seems.

Indeed

neos nolikely to develop if no more funds no more devs no opensource no better UX

JUST THAT simple

plus opensourcing now when so small would just cause splintering in the community similar to how when i was working on neosplus a plugin for neos that just adds tones of stuff to the game since you can add anything if u know how to code c# i could even intergrate 3rd party tokens in a plugin but the problem was interop users couldnt interact with main build users causing fracturing and killing the community

Yeah there could be a seperate developer for ui and ux I agree with that

and we have a winner...
It's like this totally hasn't happened before...

Good explaination

Hell, even JANUS had the same problem

anyone remember that relic?

Rip

The unfortunate part of alot of this is that you're expecting people to be paid on a system that doesn't have enough financial backing to support the full integrity of the systems 'promised' not ' shown' and demanding a team of underpaid staff to just 'have faith' when they are fully aware of all the previous ways companies like this tried to make money and have failed in the past.

But oops, guess I didn't spend my time trying to insult one individual or any individual for that matter. Just simple, matter of fact. Oh if you did a bit more beyond surface level studies into crypto and vr platforms it would just make sense.

...actually, to be honest, anyone who was part of the VRBA are basically gone... and that was when those who were a part of the alliance could transition from one platform to another with the ability to teleport and share assets between...

That basically matches... well, hard to say. A problem with this group are how many bots are in it versus actual people, so gauging any percentages feels like a hopeless task

I wonder how many investors are actually in this group

I guess the only way to gauge it is to check the wallet for any incoming transactions and count the number of unique ones... from there, you at least have a rough estimate

I wonder what that'd have to do with investors

sorry, the term gets flipflopped on this channel so much, my head is still spinning

Actual, genuine investors from large vendors... not sure.

My guess would be no one

None

If that one person is one of the devs in which the whole token is based off of... then yeah?

I believe Nex saying that he got a mansion can be true. And if it is, what of it? That's perfectly fine and a good thing

I believe it because Nex was at the beginning of much of this drama that caused this rift in Neos. Even before any of us knew things were bad behind the scenes, Nex and Karel were at odds. Nex requested to withdrawl his NCR and realized Karel was in chaege of transactions from game to wallet and was hesitating

Apparently Karel didnt want people withdrawing yet and was afraid of a orchestrates attack on NCR or something, so he was hesitating to process dev withdrawls. Eventually he did process them and apologize

but still, that was a scary moment for people

Now THIS is the rumor as I've heard

I heard the rift between karel and nex was over somethkng different and then people started spreading all kinds of false rumors about him

I dont know what it was about, I just know that fairly early on Karel apologized to him for calling him a name like a dumb green idiot or something and processed his withdrawl. This withdrawl happened back in December 2021 iirc and so yes he could have probably bought a house if were to assume

well the rumors are pretty much false, people were saying Nex was a pervert because I dunno why, they started coming out of nowhere

Nex got his money though

there's not a blockchain dev at Neos... Not a single one. And none of the team really knows how blockchains work outside of basic understandings it seems

And ppl also underestimate how much time and focus handling all those transactions was btw

when assholes try to imply Karel was hands off and didnt have his sleeves rolled up trying to help Neos

just because his title is "CEO"

thats a good point

And I would think maybe so definitly. Automatic transfers are a must imo, but just implimenting it without it being audited and understood top to bottom like, I donn't know how that backend stuff works but I see opportunity for security holes

well crypto exchanges get attacked all the time and have had a decade of being battle tested... If one of them can have a poor implimentation, Id think the game could

and theyd need the code audited, I dunno how much that costs

well its definitely needed. one man handling withdrawls is not a good system

its surprising its worked out this long

Not to add to the hearsay-muddied waters, but I do recall hearing from someone that it was requested to add some automation, but it was declined. Of course, part of the reason was due to avoiding potential exploits... but considering how quickly 2FA was added as a requirement to perform a transaction every time, I'm wondering how much water even that holds...

probably much still

this is logically improbable, nex does not live in a mansion

...hmm.. curse my bad memory. I recall someone moving in with someone else, but not who and where. Even then, this was awhile back... at least 6 or 7 months. Again, hearsay, but I do recall hearing this from the person they moved in with, but I don't know where they live.
Even then, I don't think any Neos user lives in full luxury. Owning full body tracking is usually a massive milestone, and if that's the case, owning an oversized living quarters is a pipedream.

Yeah he was most likely just joking about it

Like why would anyone buy a 200$ Xiaomi escooter clone if they had lots of money 🤣

Of this i got proof

who cares, the point is someone is wanting to know if any of the Neos devs benefitted from NCR in a significant way

Karel should release the numbers tbh

He knows to who each account belongs

Let's see how much nex made really

Dont really feel its his place to be saying that to anyone but a judge

Oh

still think we're free to conjecture

all I know is nex was wanting to cash out at around the time NCR was at its peak, which is also when clashes started escalating

I want proof

How do I get proof of amount

well... there's another issue with releasing the numbers: 1, that's a privacy, and 2, it's crypto... so technically speaking, it can be anonymized. Even then, even if you did a basis of monitoring how much was given, you'd have to consider how much was taken out, and from there, just because it was extracted, doesn't mean anything was done with it

more or less. Plus, it'd be in Karel's best interest to NOT release that.
Think it over: do you REALLY want the person who processes each transaction manually to be also known to release those numbers to other people just because they asked "pretty please, possibly sus?"

Hmm yeah I guess that's true because he knows who each adress belongs to 🤔

true... but also not true...
What if I just wanted to give someone some NCR, and they don't have a Neos account?

Hmm i guess that's anonymous then yeah

It's best to just leave it up to imagination 😌

We only know of tizzers how much they made enough for a sports car they said on twitter which many people seen

That's was funny 🤣

I'd be cautious bringing any of their info up, since the last time someone viewed their public information that they posted themselves, it was considered doxing...

Yeah I don't post it

just mentioning it is enough. Just saying. The rules here fluctuate so much, it'd make a quantum physicist brain melt.

Hmm who else might have profited greatly maybe reactant but maybe not since he dissapeared 🤔

He did make the 11 point full body track Video that became really popular

however, did he not do this before the pump and dump?
Speculating will get no one anywhere... afterall, it's what piledrove NCR to the ground...
A coin to help give financial aid to a "Meta killing metaverse" that had some tie-ins with crypto... just like what Lord Zuck said... Mayhaps it will do well and prove victorious....

Apparently crypto is doing really well in turkey

So that's good I guess

for one country. Versus the rest where the markets are vastly more complex and crypto is taxed to death, making it hardly viable.

Ya

the other thing is, let's be real: most people here will ignore hearsay and assume it as fact. Say what you put here as a notion that it will be misread.
People are too focused on a virtual symbol of wealth to understand /s or 'IMO'

Yeah I don't know if it's true i never been to Turkey

google turkish lira to USD, then set the chart to max

then you'll see why people like crypto in turkey

That's great and all but... this isn't Turkey... nor is it a discussion about economics for a specific country...
This is about a virtual platform with social functions and an internal editor and its complex relation to a digital currency...

Why are we still talking about turkey?

A quandary that, even after a power loss recovery break, I have no answer of which to present.

Users on discord are only banned for breaching the discord guidelines, if they want to appeal they can.

Usually users are banned from the discord for being mean for example spreading incorrect information, insulting our users etc.

The discord guidelines are quite clear and if there are any questions those users can reach out to moderation.

Did you read my latest message?

We don't ban people who show support for Karel, we don't ban crypto users we ban people who break our guidelines.

If you believe a ban is in error on discord please contact moderation at moderation.neos.com

If you're banned there and you think it's in error, try it, make that appeal!

This is not correct and can be proven wrong by appealing any bans there and take a look in the discord where the majority of the conversation is nothing to do with furries.

Put facts and evidence into your statements

Appeals are necessary because it's a moderation issue not because of the identity of moderation or the team.

If you look at any large community you'll see the same

This isn't correct, do you have a source for this information

Where is your pie chart that shows the percentage being 100%

I do every day.

But what you're experiencing is called bias.

In this case confirmation bias.

Plus if you want to change this, go to the discord and go talk about NCR. Then you'll self prove your own statement incorrect.

Just make sure its in the spaces we set aside for that conversation!

That would also be confirmation bias.

If you want to challenge the bias, you'll need data. Go get it.

Crypto investors will always be crypto investors and they show favouritism towards each other.

Or re-written: "users with similar interests....have similar interests".

true 💥

This is incorrect

I also have some crypto

That seems.. still incorrect.

That is very incorrect

Perhaps the main reason for the downfall is that not enough furries are controlling the platform?

Or perhaps its that, those who are furries feel they can't achieve their goals because of the constant unsubstantiated and unwarranted dislike of them?

That's quite an accusation there, for someone who's been making incorrect, rude and bizarre comments for many days.

Do you have any evidence of this?

As previously mentioned if there are bans which you feel are incorrect please submit an appeal at moderation.neos.com which will correct them.

There is plenty of non furs on the Neos moderation team

You know that was tongue and cheek, is was a joke

At least we've moved beyond furries and back to wallet analysis, I'll call that a win. Thanks!

We tried before ProbablyPrime. Mk.Funds is condescending, biased, insulting and throws around false accusation without any data or actual evidence. We tried to give him our time, but at this point it might be better to just ignore them. Its not worth your time (thats my personal opinion)

Yeah I was trying to do that but you've probably unintentionally started them up again.

Sorry, but from what i have seen, any change is temporary. Any discussion beginns the same after some hours. With them lying, attacking and/or throwing threats around.

There we go, yes it is. I am moderator of a babyfur group and thats my icon.

Flox isn't a baby or a child

In neos there are lot of different groups. Some are furries, many are... and many more are not. You don't seam to grasp what the data says. There are a lot of different groups here, some of them strange and different to things you might not see in communities/countries where free expression of self is surpressed, but its human nature to be many things. What you have to accept is that this is just a low amount of people, in relation to the whole. It seams just to be more visible to you because it is not surpressed.

And you obviously will grasp the reality that i am not a child and still are "living my inner child" on occasion's with friends. That doesn't mean i am less intelligent, less professional or "adult" as you might describe it.

Other examples of similar activities that may appear childish but are done by adults.

Video games, sports, acting/theatre, fiction writing, art,music

Sports is a really big one for me, I don't understand sports. But I don't go out of my way to bother anyone that likes them.

Playing games with balls, playing pretend (as in movies or theate) drawing with pretty colors... all of this extends from being a toddler to being a professional. There is no clear cut anywhere and often one feeds the other.

Different silly expressions of self (like being a furry) does often extend to being successful as adult, thats why this sort of drive exists in the first place. To be reinventing yourself, to be boundless creative... thats why there are many furries in neos. Because this game is about creation and reinventing things and even yourself. But its not limited to that obviously.

But being reinventing yourself and things can look and feel different to different people. ProbablyPrime for example (as far as i know) is not a furry. Doesn't stop him from creating and (re)inventing things, his expression of self is not cute and furry, but his work is obviously very creative^^

Morning