• 15 August 2023 (633 messages)
  • @760333748 #49689 07:50 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I’ve always felt that creators should be allowed to sell or rent space in their worlds but doing it at the metaverse level makes not much sense other then getting a lot of funding
  • @sharkmare0001 #49690 07:51 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    SLs i the only one that kinda makes sense since its useed to pay for the hosting costs of the "instance" its kinda like server hosting
  • @RealEnverex #49691 07:51 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Selling or renting space can make sense if they've made a "thing" that people would like to exist within. For example people commission/rent apartments in some of the popular VRChat worlds.
  • @RealEnverex #49692 07:52 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    But that's more a payment for the artist/creator rather than platform.
  • @sharkmare0001 #49693 07:52 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I guess VR rent would make sense if the home was like a unique uncopieable thing
  • @sharkmare0001 #49694 07:52 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    although still a bit odd conceptually
  • @sharkmare0001 #49695 07:52 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    but luxury payments are always odd
  • @760333748 #49696 07:53 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    There could be also services included like a concierge AI or something 😄
  • @Lexevo ↶ Reply to #48812 #49697 07:54 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I'm excited to see what I can do with my NCR!
  • @760333748 #49698 07:54 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    The host doing fun things for the residents
  • @RealEnverex #49699 07:54 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Space made more sense in Second Life where there was no instancing (which had it's own charm). I'm still not sure whether I prefer instanced or global.
  • @6324579079 #49700 08:04 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Hello can you tell ive been holding 90+k tokens for 2+ years , how can i stake them?
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49700 #49701 08:07 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Have you been in Neos lately? What is your VR equipment?
  • Staking is not yet active, all that will be in the next update 😊
  • @6324579079 #49703 08:09 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Cheers bro atleast some movement is happening
  • @6324579079 #49704 08:09 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Need to add more tokens before bull
  • @6324579079 #49705 08:09 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    😂
  • @6324579079 #49706 08:09 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Until its cheap
  • How is that relevant?
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49707 #49708 08:10 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    For real now?
  • @760333748 #49709 08:11 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    He is asking about staking
  • @mLehmk #49710 08:12 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    What about the Stardust?
  • @760333748 #49711 08:12 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    What about it?
  • @mLehmk #49712 08:13 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I thought you were invested into Neos and the platform
  • @ModernBalloonie #49713 08:14 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Neos is a VR platform.
  • @mLehmk #49714 08:15 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    And when I understand correctly, staking rewards depend on time spent in some specific worlds in Neos and doing tasks to collect stardust that improves the percentage in staking
  • @mLehmk #49715 08:16 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Wasn't that staking to get people into Neos?
  • @760333748 #49716 08:16 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    “Invested” into it doesn’t mean you have to play. If some people believe that one day down the line it will be great they should be free to hold NCR without being harassed by players whos play they support at this time
  • @sharkmare0001 #49717 08:16 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Staking still works its just increased by stardust levels
  • Probably also good to mention here that if someone IS being harrassed to make a moderation ticket about it
  • @6324579079 #49719 08:19 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Yes myself would be greathfull to be rewarded for holding , im investor not a player , should be some niche for me to stake aswell right?
  • Past playtime before staking is active does not matter for staking percentage same as VR vs desktop/screen. Seems like a pretty harassy question to me.
  • @sharkmare0001 #49721 08:20 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Tbh this is one of the reasons i like the rebranding from Neos"VR" to just Neos

    Neos supports desktop play and theres nothing wrong with being a desktop user, ideally regardless of how you use neos you should be equal
  • @760333748 #49722 08:22 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Our plan was to drop the VR part after a while but as with many things the plans were one sidedly changed
  • @760333748 #49723 08:22 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I’ve argued so many times to change it to just Neos, that is also why we have the neos.com domain
  • @sharkmare0001 #49724 08:23 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    if im not mistaken all the branding has been changed to Neos, only place i can find the VR still is the Steam listing name
  • @mLehmk #49725 08:23 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I admit, I'm using Neos quite a lot in Desktop mode, even though I have full VR equipment.
    And yet, experiencing it in VR is just so much better
  • Just gotta be careful, talking about experiences like that too aggressively, it can come across as platform elitism
  • Probably better in terms of immersion but not all aspects as you would otherwise use it exclusively in VR mode
  • @760333748 #49728 08:25 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Maybe not as convenient?
  • @mLehmk #49729 08:25 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    The thing is, VR isn't really that convenient to me, that's why I'm on Desktop mode so much
  • @760333748 #49730 08:26 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Makes sense
  • @sharkmare0001 #49731 08:26 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Persoally i use Neos exclusively in VR
    But thats also because im simply built different genetically predispoed to being good at VR
  • @5897875079 #49732 08:35 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Desktop is great for building, VR is great for socializing and using what you've built
  • @sharkmare0001 #49733 08:37 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Personally i love to build in VR because it gives me more sense of what things are like while actively building them.
    That and mice have always felt clunky to me regardless of context
  • @Cameron27 #49734 09:09 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Does this mean the Unreal client will be desktop-only?
  • @Floximo #49735 09:09 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Many creators actually using desktop mode for creation a lot and i understand this very well. Personally i like the perspective VR gives for creating. Neos is the first and only game that makes interacting with things feel intuitive. Not with everything mind you, but it has this feeling of "you can drag and drop a video into the game and its just in vr"
  • @Floximo #49736 09:10 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Or "hey i like to share a picture with someone, lets drag&drop it in"
  • @acheema #49737 09:30 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Neos had pmf for furries, but seems that community is mostly leaving. Still plenty of opportunities for pmf with other audiences. Excited to see where it goes now and how it will gain traction!
  • @Floximo #49738 09:32 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I mean, any VR software will have. Furry is pretty much defined as people that feel an affinity to show themselfs as avatars... specificly antropomorphic animals.
    Obviously any VR software that allows custom avatars will find a furrie audience and artists that create avatars.
  • @acheema #49739 09:32 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I saw some cool stuff happening in Neos with remote work inside VR
  • @Floximo #49740 09:33 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    If you want to create a VR software that is intentionally want to exclude furries, consider not allowing avatars
  • @Floximo #49741 09:33 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    (custom avatars)
  • @acheema #49742 09:33 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Who wants to intentionally exclude furries? lol
  • @Floximo #49743 09:33 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Well, it sounded like its a problem to you, so i assumed you want that
  • @acheema #49744 09:34 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I just made the observation that a lot of furries are leaving. Just look at twitter hate, every account is a furry account
  • @Snubby ↶ Reply to #49744 #49745 09:35 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    well majority of neos is furries
  • @Snubby #49746 09:35 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    and japanese users
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49744 #49747 09:35 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Do you know what survivor bias is?
  • @Floximo #49748 09:36 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    The fact that many furries voice discontent and show it in twitter is that neos has a lot of furry users... and also that Karel kind of insulted them on some ocations
  • @acheema #49749 09:38 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Sorry I don’t get this. Anything I say that mentions furries I get hate lol. I was just making an observation that is true as far as I can tell
  • @PunLordGirabresol #49750 09:38 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    That wasn't hate though?
  • @Floximo #49751 09:38 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I was just stating the obvious. If many people in Neos are Furries and many people are voicing discontent or leaving Neos, most of them will be... Furries
  • @Floximo #49752 09:39 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    I mean, math, right?
  • @Cattuccino_vr #49753 09:40 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    We need a Furry verse.
  • @Snubby ↶ Reply to #49753 #49754 09:40 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    >.>
  • @acheema #49755 09:40 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    That is not true. Just go on twitter. Look at all the users who liked the tweet (108) - they are 95% not furry avatar images. Look at all the people who wrote quote tweets (109) which are mostly hate tweets - they are 95% furry images.
  • @acheema #49756 09:41 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    That is statistically significant.
  • @acheema #49757 09:41 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    You can check this for yourself.
  • @Floximo #49758 09:41 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    That is statistically signification, i agree, but you think that most twitter users that agree (108) are actual VR players
  • @acheema ↶ Reply to #49758 #49759 09:42 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    That isn’t what I said, what are you even talking about?
  • @Snubby #49760 09:42 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    a?
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49759 #49761 09:46 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    Ok... The users on twitter that agree (108) are possibly in majority people that are interested in investment, as this is the part that was presented in the most favorable way and as future of the project. Why would this make sense?

    Because many of them don't actually use Neos as a VR space or software.

    People that disagree are mostly VR users and many of them... surprise... are Furries. So thats the rational why this is survivor bias. The group impacted is actually the invisible one.
  • @Floximo #49762 09:49 PM, 15 Aug 2023
    All of this is not an attack but an observation. It is nice if there are new people that will be gained (non furries) that are interested in the project. But you also need creators and designers that are interested in the actual Product, not only in the Money behind it.
  • 16 August 2023 (74 messages)
  • Reading all this stuff bout crypto and whatnot from here and the chats...
    This scam is so 2020, get over it cryptobro's and find a better way to scam people :)
  • @sharkmare0001 #49764 03:01 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Personally i just tune out every time "furries" as a group are brought up, its a weird reductionism.
    People are individuals, liking funny animals that walk on two legs has no further requirements, no political requirements, no crypto related requirements etc. its an irrelevant characteristic and all this ends up with is blanket characterizations and charged language against general groups.
  • @sharkmare0001 #49765 03:21 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Thank you computer
  • @6357929707 #49766 06:42 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Any VR game (Neos, VRC et al.) is going to have a high number of furries
    It's an online community in a niche space, where you can 'digitally cosplay' as your favourite characters including your own
  • @StellersAvali #49767 06:48 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Fair. My $300 headset is a lot cheaper than a fursuit...
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49605 #49768 09:07 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    guess I'll be 'that guy' to point out majority of nft now are linked to IPFS, so abit more interesting than that imo
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49528 #49769 09:14 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    you have... no idea what happened, I see
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49499 #49770 09:19 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Whats forced on people? You can hide NCR in Neos or use the Steam build. Ignore it if you don't like it or dont want to be able to tip ppl with it or whatever
  • @orcbull #49771 09:19 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    its been there since 2018 you know
  • @mLehmk #49772 09:47 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    NFTs are weird when thinking it through
  • @orcbull #49773 10:16 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I guess part of why they captured some's imagination and other's rancor
  • @mLehmk #49774 10:17 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    https://ibb.co/jkMTYrZ
    Just showing that registering was possible on the old account website, Karel
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  • @6416714559 #49775 10:21 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I'm a new user who isn't part of the furry community, and I've never really encountered any unfriendly people. In fact, everyone in the game has been incredibly welcoming to me. I was almost shocked by how amazing and unique the NeosVR community is.

    I don't understand all the negativity towards furries here, and it honestly bothers me to read such comments. It's even more disappointing to see that these views are not only accepted but also promoted by the official telegram group.

    Can we please put a stop to the unfounded hatred against those who can't even defend themselves? They face the risk of being banned if they speak out…
  • @mLehmk #49776 10:27 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Furries are indeed very friendly. It requires actions of disrespect to change that. However even then it is usually possible to earn respect and be on good terms. As long as not crossing some line.
  • @orcbull #49777 10:54 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Can we stop thinking of furries as a "group of people"? Its a fandom
  • @orcbull #49778 10:55 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    and honestly all fandoms are awful
  • @orcbull #49779 10:56 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    There. I said it.
  • Really? Seems like quite the generalisation. Those I’ve met have been decent kind folk. Definitely a few odd characters out there but mostly gems
  • @orcbull #49781 11:24 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Well if you want me to be real then probaby yeah really. All fandoms seem to bring out ppl's worst, encouraging them to be insular and filter life through an obsessive lens
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49778 #49782 11:27 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I only saw a tiny fraction of the crypto fandom so far and from what I have seen so far, it seems to support your statement
  • @orcbull #49783 11:28 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    they werent true stans to the crypto fandom
  • @mLehmk #49784 11:29 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    The point I'm trying to get across is. That every fandom (or any larger group of people) has its share of awful people. Doesn't mean the whole fandom is awful. Sadly the awful people of their fandoms are also usually the loudest that also make its first impression
  • @mLehmk #49785 11:30 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Whenever you actually are part of a fandom, you finally get to meet the awesome and decent people of the fandom
  • @Floximo #49786 11:38 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    There is also to say that really inside neos there is no divide that it sounds like many seam to believe. There is not furry and "the others" or we against them mentality. In fact the avatar inside the game is seen as expression as self and seen as important to that person. Not an affiliation to some group.
  • @orcbull #49787 11:39 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Im debating how serious I am about that statement at this point.
  • @orcbull #49788 11:40 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I still generally feel individuals are good, fandoms are bad. Its a weird distinction to me
  • @Floximo #49789 11:40 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Would that be true to the crypto fandom as well?
  • @orcbull #49790 11:41 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    sure
  • @orcbull #49791 11:42 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I think crypto fans, or "crypto twitter" is incredibly toxic place too, and geneally just people who want to make money
  • @orcbull #49792 11:42 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I think thats different from a guy who in interested in smart contracts, defi, decentealized structures or whatevee
  • @Floximo #49793 11:43 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Maybe, i mean yea, it promotes group thinking. I still think most people, no mather in how many fandom at once, are usually sensible people. Usually its less the groups as it is group thinking
  • @Floximo #49794 11:44 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    But people like to align with people that think alike
  • @orcbull #49795 11:44 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I think its bad if everything needs to be cryptoed up for someone to enjoy it just like if someone only watches funny animal cartoons
  • @orcbull #49796 11:45 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    or you know what?
  • @Floximo #49797 11:45 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Hmm?
  • @orcbull #49798 11:45 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    whatever ppl shoudl enjoy and hang out with what they like
  • @Floximo #49799 11:46 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I share that option
  • @orcbull #49800 11:46 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Im just hostile to the concept of fandoms but im the one who introduced the word here
  • @Floximo #49801 11:49 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    I mean, groups always exist and act defensive if attacked as a whole. Like a word or assigned feature. "its all the woman's fault for not being as active in neos than men" pretty much could lead to the same reaction, if true or not
  • @Floximo #49802 11:50 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    Doesn't even require the women to have aligned interests or know each other
  • @6517876043 #49803 11:56 AM, 16 Aug 2023
    All incidents that have occurred up until today, solely because Karel isn't a furry. Thus, he must be excluded from a platform predominantly composed of furries👍
  • @fireflyesv #49804 12:01 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Aye, I’m sure it was nothing else
  • @orcbull #49805 12:20 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    well.. if crypto was a fandom, it certainly got attacked in the same manner or way worse than people say furries are being labeled
  • @mLehmk #49806 12:20 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    I think that enjoying Neos Metaverse and holding NCR should go hand in hand
  • @Floximo #49807 12:56 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    I agree. But i openly dislike the video and the way it is presented by Karel. To make crypto the center of attention of the VR world, and its existance the defining property, it will drive away many of the remaining patrons. I can't answer the question if its still a good business decission, because there is probably profit in it. But from the standpoint of a VR creator i strongly disagree with the chose path.
  • @Floximo #49808 12:57 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    I would have loved a crypto-ingame currency. I always found the idea of a ingame currency that can't be created from thin air interesting and makes it more reliable (as the owner of the game can't just go ahead and make more).
  • @Floximo #49809 12:58 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    But yea, as said, not as defining feature.
  • Straight into misogyny with the example there? Couldn't have blamed the people who hate the colour yellow? 😂
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49810 #49811 01:30 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Hehe, well an example is only effective if it triggers emotion.
  • @6324579079 #49812 01:44 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Does it mean there is no more vr game play
  • @6324579079 #49813 01:44 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Only dekstop version?
  • @PunLordGirabresol #49814 01:45 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    There's still vr gameplay
  • @6324579079 #49815 01:48 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Not so much hype after announcement after 2 years
  • @6324579079 #49816 01:48 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    I read comments on X
  • @6324579079 #49817 01:48 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    People are mad but i cant get it why
  • @Floximo #49818 01:53 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Correction. Many VR users are mad because the focus presented is crypto currency and the VR software abandoned (as a codebase). In its place a new product is presented that will be inferior for many years until parity is reached as promised... if ever reached
  • Because it's not an update to Neos as it exists today.

    It's a cryptobro P2E web game stealing the Neos legacy that is beloved by many, compounded on the lies and immaturity of Karel clearly pushing whatever he can to ride that crypto train and become rich.

    Directly from the Steam page listing:
    "Play and explore with your friends, collaborate with your coworkers or grab powerful building tools and create something new right inside VR."

    This "update" couldn't be further from that description, and only shows how Karel does not share the old Neos dev team' passion.
  • @6324579079 #49820 01:55 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Well now as you made it more clear , thats not good at all . If too sides arent happy many players could leave the game maybe now
  • @6324579079 #49821 01:55 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    But hoppefully some crypto bros will join
  • If you need a summary of the whole situation, ThrillSeeker's video is very well done.
  • @GrayBoltWolf #49823 01:56 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Neos VR: The Untold Story of a Metaverse Tragedy

    Hello. Today I have a full on documentary of probably the most tragic story within the entire VR industry. Developers shafted, a $500,000,000 market cap shriveled into nothing, and a community left torn. But there is still hope. Actually something interesting I came across, Neos had a Quest/ Quest 2 and Oculus go version in development as well. Interesting addition. Basically though, crypto tore Neos apart from the inside out, no matter how compelling the technology. Thank you to everyone that participated in my dozens of interviews. This is one of the largest "journalistic" videos I have ever done and it took a lot of work, but I hope you enjoyed it. Much Love, Thrill My links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/Thrilluwu Discord: https://discord.gg/2hCGM9BYez Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Neos discord: https://discord.gg/eNYu4xbhVF

  • @6324579079 #49824 02:15 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Nice video
  • @mLehmk #49825 02:50 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    I'm a bit surprised there aren't more people interested in buying NCR now, with the opportunity to still get it low priced right now before staking
  • You think NCR is going to increase in value?
  • @GrayBoltWolf #49827 02:53 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    You know the entire crypto market is in decline, right?
  • @mLehmk #49828 02:56 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Yes and that makes NCR even more interesting, as it's going the opposite
  • @GrayBoltWolf #49829 02:57 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    lol
  • @mLehmk #49830 03:06 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    until someone saw the opportunity to drop their 112.67K of NCR and some paper hand sold their 20.83K at a loss they bought just half a day before.
  • @archietheraccoon #49832 04:33 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Lol
  • @GrayBoltWolf #49833 04:35 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Keeps banning people for "FUD" fear, uncertainty, & doubt, meanwhile he can't even go a single day without contradicting himself.
  • @GrayBoltWolf #49834 04:36 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    When he inevitably bans me for calling him out, you all know why.
  • @sharkmare0001 #49835 04:38 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Weird hang up to have
  • @5897875079 #49836 05:17 PM, 16 Aug 2023
    Kind of exciting seeing the value of NCR increase at all, Honestly the projected vision for Neos prior to all the drama was my dream vr social/eco game and it'd be great to see Neos make a comeback both in both aspects.

    But there needs to be some more abstraction between Karel and the community, because PR between the company and those who use the product is currently trash.
    also jesus christ, don't mention furries in this chat. Just don't. I could go on a long rant about this, but this needs to be over- it's pointless and harmful to the platform.
  • 17 August 2023 (29 messages)
  • @6604052114 #49837 02:14 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    How to create new Neos account?
  • @ProbablePrime #49838 02:29 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    You can do this in our steam application. Other methods to do this are currently down unfortunately.
  • Oh, I was able to create it within the Neos application. Thank you.
  • @Seilork #49840 04:21 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Who can I talk to for advertising and collaboration
  • @ProbablePrime #49841 04:21 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    I'd recommend emailing hello@neos.com
  • @6517876043 #49842 08:41 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Users can refuse crypto,there's even an official build without cryptocurrency (Steam).Karel only worked on an additional Unreal build. Other builds remain operational.
  • @6517876043 #49843 08:42 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Karel sought ways to generate revenue for Neos, actively seeking sponsorships. Yet, Karel is treated as a malicious saboteur of the platform. Without revenue, the Patreon fund falls short of covering Neos' maintenance costs. To be honest, the Patreon fund is insufficient to even pay a programmer's salary. The expenses for maintenance and the development team's salaries are substantial.
  • @6517876043 #49844 08:50 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    This community is adept at psychological manipulation. I wonder: if there's no money, what does Karel use to fund Neos' development? Cloud storage costs, salaries, infrastructure...?"
  • @mLehmk #49845 09:31 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    The money from minting NCR hasn't been used to pay for backend services yet. That's my knowledge from end of 2021
  • @760333748 #49846 10:31 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    We have paid with crypto for a lot of stuff as well the developers who sold the NCR they got through CDFT have. The question stands you have to have funding. A project without funding does not survive.
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49822 #49847 11:00 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    lol that video is not historically accurate, it's well-made but mostly a false load of shit. But ppl don't actually care what really happened, they just want someone to blame
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49834 #49848 11:03 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    honestly you say some of the dumbest shit whenever I pop in here. You just want to get banned so you can post it on the discord of your twitter or some shit for clout so tbh yes you should get booted
  • @Floximo #49849 11:04 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    The video also is kind of old. That said, i disagree with the path the development takes and stand by that. Imagine world of warcraft would focus all its effords on wow gold and its marketing around that.
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49849 #49850 11:06 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    I don't fancy the focus either but I think the feeling is at this point nothing he does is going to not be shit on no matter how beneficial it is.
  • @Floximo #49851 11:07 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Maybe, but thats easily said if what is done is actual "shit"
  • @Floximo #49852 11:08 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Defying expectations and actually investing in software and development of the actual focus of neos (as in the vr space) would have at least make people think they might be wrong.
  • @orcbull #49853 11:08 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Furries are going to hate everything he does because they love maliciously dogpiling ppl online, no pun intended. JP users just like any update, and cryptobros were the ones who brought the most money to the table and were also the most attacked and abused audience within Neos by far. I think he wants to appeal to them now since there's literally no way to reason with the hate mob
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49852 #49854 11:10 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    Honestly, I dont know who is actually working on it. It can't be more than one person, and things are very uncertain. Plus I don't even know how it is going to be implimented because afaik the code is not being relinquoshed by Froox and now we're talking about an Unreal build?
  • @orcbull #49855 11:11 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    I hear people act like theres going to be two clients... but how is that possible without the code?
  • Karel has build the Unreal build from the ground up. Please search for his previous discussions
  • @orcbull ↶ Reply to #49856 #49857 11:28 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    you mean he plans to?
  • @orcbull #49858 11:30 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    related, Iwatched the State of Unreal presentation, I know atleast UE will have some sort of metaverse-oriented programming language shared with Fortnite
  • @orcbull #49859 11:31 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    How Epic Games views the metaverse and the State of Unreal | Tim Sweeney

    At its State of Unreal event last week, Epic Games showed how to assess the hype around the metaverse and how to keep it open.

  • @orcbull #49860 11:42 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    can someone qrd what is going on? My takeaway is Neos has no code that it can edit, Froox will take his code and publish a new Neos that maybe has a slightly different name. The plab going forward with the current Neos is to make a web client and eventually an Unreal game with a new dev team.
  • @orcbull #49861 11:42 AM, 17 Aug 2023
    what am I wrong about?
  • The JP community very much did not react well to this.
  • @sharkmare0001 #49865 11:20 PM, 17 Aug 2023
    Also regardless of what arbitrary community a person is a part of, if a change is done that they personally think is good they would say so.

    It wouldnt change what they think about the other things that have been done but. people can change and prove others wrong

    For me this update was exactly what i was expecting and more
  • 18 August 2023 (39 messages)
  • @6604052114 #49866 03:23 AM, 18 Aug 2023
    Karel
    Neos already has a blockchain system that can be mined within Neos
    https://twitter.com/orange_3134/status/1519863525132627968?t=-F7DH_gzzFOSn_dY0-_9cQ&s=19
    Link

    NFT FESTA 2022 SPRING開会!!🎊😋📢 Neos VR会場ではNeos上に実装されたブロックチェーンを使って遊ぶゲーム『ハッシュホリダー』が楽しめます!😂 掘り方を工夫してじゃんじゃんホリダーコインを稼ぎましょう!💰 #NeosVR #NFT_FESTA

  • @sharkmare0001 #49867 02:13 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    So silent today
  • @Cervoxx #49868 02:27 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Neos
  • @Floximo #49869 02:28 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    There is not really much to say. There are the people that are happy about the changes and realize there will not be much news in the next half year... and there are the people that are unhappy with the path neos follows down now, and also realize there will be nothing important happening for the next month.
  • @Floximo #49870 02:30 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    My personal view is that Karel pretty much committed to a new Software/System that is very NCR near and will obviously not reach parity (if ever) with the current neos for many years. That may was what is expected by some and/or feared by others. Also there seams to be no intention to ever go the direction of a ingame-changable and creator-near system, because of the choise of engine that forbids that explicitly.
  • @5897875079 #49871 03:21 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Would love to see an open source git repository with the engine rebuild, along with another repo for the unreal engine integration
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49871 #49872 03:24 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    The software that Neos is build on is not owned by any of the companies currently involved in the project Neos. Its owned by the creator(s) that made the software in the first place and that distanced themselfs from the project.
  • @Floximo #49873 03:24 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    But it obviously is possible to give api-access and open source the unreal integration.
  • @5897875079 #49874 03:24 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    According to previous messages, they are rebuilding the codebase to be on parity with the cloud's spec. I want to see that code
  • @Floximo #49875 03:25 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Yes, that would be the unreal project.
  • @5897875079 #49876 03:27 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    For their "multiple flavored clients" idea, they've got to have the new codebase separate from the unreal engine integration.
    I assumed it was separate, since that's the only way it'd work in their proposed "Neos Foundation" plan. If it isn't, then uhhhhhh
  • @Floximo #49877 03:30 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    I am unaware how it is exactly build. As far as my understanding goes, the unreal client uses the api and records
  • @Floximo #49878 03:31 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    I assume that is the request to Karels account (please don't pin me on that, i just typed in the name).
    https://cloudx.azurewebsites.net/api/users/U-Karel
  • @Floximo #49879 03:32 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    And in addition to that there is the records of the actual neosdb-files, like pictures and everything else. Also under control of Karel.
  • @Floximo #49880 03:32 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    More than that there is no connection to the old client.
  • @Floximo #49881 03:36 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    The api is also used by the website and probably could also be used by any other flavored client. I am not sure what the new codebase seperation would entail further than that. Its not that complicated really. But parsing the records in the world and showing them as objects, with all functions, seams unreasonable complicated to me (LogiX, UIX,...)
  • @Floximo #49882 03:39 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    The dev doesn’t want to open source it and is also not willing to develop it so developing it again is pretty much the only option
  • @Floximo #49883 03:40 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Soo... something else/new
  • @mLehmk #49884 03:46 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    It is not allowed to be open source, if it's based on Unreal Engine. Which contradicts the intent to go open source with Neos.
  • @5897875079 #49885 03:47 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Oh, i was thinking of FrooxEngine separation - so there'd be two parts of a client, the FrooxEngine part (which governs components and their functionality, so that different clients can connect to eachother) and the frontend part (rendering and everything else through something - unreal, godot, unity, full fledged custom)
  • @5897875079 #49886 03:47 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    the official frontend would be unreal, and others could make their own frontends.
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49884 #49887 03:47 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Its also not allowed to include all the tools that make neos unique. Dev-Tip, Logix, Material tip, shapes, components, dynamic rigs. The problem with unreal is that you can't make an editor in it.
  • @5897875079 #49888 03:48 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Im guessing userspace is gonna be client governed now
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49887 #49889 03:48 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Contrary to that. Those tools are allowed, however the content created must be UE-Only content. So it cannot be stored in Neos cloud
  • which is why they're setting up a webpage
    the official client may use an uncustomizable webpage for its dash, while other clients may fall back to the more flexible facet systems
  • @nordnpv ↶ Reply to #49884 #49891 04:04 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Source?
  • @nordnpv #49892 04:05 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    You are allowed to open source your content, that includes the entire project. Engine code is not allowed
  • @Floximo #49893 04:42 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    As far as my knowledge goes, Unreal Engine has strikt limits to integrating other third-party tools and services, specificly cloud storage and exporters. Pretty much the defining feature of Neos VR, the ability to create and share content, even if that content might be considered age restricted or licensewise questionable.
  • @Floximo #49894 04:43 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    As it is not allowed in general, you can not make tools available that allow users to create or share such content.
  • @wizard_level_80 #49896 05:23 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    would be nice if Karel could explain what kind of limits the UE put on the new client compared to the current client in terms of creating content by users, as this aspect pretty much defines Neos
  • @nordnpv ↶ Reply to #49895 #49897 08:35 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Paragraph
  • @nordnpv ↶ Reply to #49896 #49898 08:39 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    From what I understand is that Epics EULA doesn't allow, that any engine content is distributed individually as it is their property obviously.
    An example would be creating worlds. Right now, you can not bake your lighting in the game or anywhere else (Other than baking it into the texture). This results in big performance dips if you want to make your world pretty or to VRC standard. Now, to utilise the most modern technologies like Lumen or Nanite, which UE5 offers, you would have to ship the code that generates the lighting or the meshes to end-users and as such would ship Engine Code with it. Unreal allows you, to get inspired or get help by their code, but straight up copying or replicating it is prohibited. Correct me if I am wrong.
  • @nordnpv #49899 08:41 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    You would basically have to make your own baking etc. and if you're that far already, why not just make your own renderer.
  • @nordnpv #49900 08:43 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    So in terms of flexibility, using Unreal would be the same as using Unity just with a bit better graphics..
  • @nordnpv #49901 08:45 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    Any Unreal Based games, which you can make mods for, always go with the VRC route.
  • @mLehmk #49902 08:47 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    The Unity EULA is not that restrictive
  • @nordnpv #49903 09:18 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    It's also not open source so you can't even break the EULA in this case..
  • @mLehmk #49904 09:32 PM, 18 Aug 2023
    But there is nothing really limiting you on creation tools inside unity and sharing that content, like the Unreal Engine license limits one
  • 19 August 2023 (69 messages)
  • @6517876043 #49905 01:04 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49905 #49906 01:04 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • 7
  • 7
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #49908 #49909 01:05 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @Cervoxx #49910 01:05 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Neos
  • 7
  • @neohij #49912 01:25 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    8
  • @neohij #49913 01:25 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    9
  • @neohij #49914 01:25 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    10
  • @Readun #49915 01:31 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @electronus97 #49916 01:36 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @Shello_Jello #49917 01:43 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @Void_Sentient #49918 01:43 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @neohij #49919 01:44 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    NCR TO THE 7$
  • @neohij #49920 01:44 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @StellersAvali #49921 01:52 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @6357929707 #49922 01:58 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @Eli_Dayax #49923 01:58 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @linki9s7 #49924 02:38 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    7
  • @nervay26 #49926 04:28 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Ok from what I'm seeing the update brings nothing of true value to the table it's is not part of the game UI and form what I've seen it's incompatible with Fassits and the first thing is it averting crypto as the first thing that is going to push alot of the main neos user base the wrong way especially after we where treated after the rugpull in 2021 I see a complete disconnect from the user's to management in this what most users wanted was better stability and a more uniform and understandable dash. The talk about going into multiple engines wouldn't that break a fair amount of things such as live assets so I think that's a bit of a wild plunder. Another conssern is most platforms such as steam and Epic Games will block crypto being done via the store and may block being in the platform due to this and one of the major thing mentioned around the Patron and NeosVR community people don't want to support projects that contains crypto since the lack of transparency and negative view of crypto has there been any communication or allowence for community input?
  • @6517876043 #49927 05:56 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Based on what I know from NeosVR Discord, the majority of the former Neos team, along with Froox, have established Yellow Dog Man Studios (YDMS). They're gearing up to launch the Resonite platform, which operates similarly to NeosVR. ProbablePrime has verified YDMS's legality. Individuals on Discord are also urging the shift from supporting Neos Patreon to endorsing YDMS Patreon. This summarizes my observations from the NeosVR Discord, as shared by X (Twitter)
  • @StellersAvali #49928 06:27 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Nobody but the team knows for sure what Resonite actually is other than VR-related. Everyone is assuming.
  • @electronus97 #49929 06:28 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    It could be a dog for all we know.
  • @electronus97 #49930 06:28 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    A very portable floppy eared dog.
  • @electronus97 #49931 06:28 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    *petable
  • @KyuubiYoru #49932 06:41 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    my guess is, its a cheese
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49926 #49933 06:59 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Do you have a reference for the alleged rug pull? Also crypto is usually the opposite of lack of transparency. The feature of most block chains is to have a public ledger that everyone can look at and verify what is going on. The code for tokens and the block chain itself is usually open as well, so everyone can verify. DAOs cannot operate in the dark on block chains either, it's all on the block chain, including the code.
  • From what i have observed people aren't telling them to Go give money to (YDMS) but simply pointing out its existence but I could be mistaken.
  • @mLehmk #49935 07:01 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    What surprises me is this, when everything is in the open and people can check the stuff, why is it still that people are being scammed with crypto?
    I guess people are not educating themselves. They don't care to check. Listening to others without verifying their claims. Following advice directly from the scammers.
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49934 #49936 07:05 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Careful, people had been kicked from here mentioning them, because it's FUD
  • @nervay26 ↶ Reply to #49933 #49937 07:08 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Neos VR: The Untold Story of a Metaverse Tragedy

    Hello. Today I have a full on documentary of probably the most tragic story within the entire VR industry. Developers shafted, a $500,000,000 market cap shriveled into nothing, and a community left torn. But there is still hope. Actually something interesting I came across, Neos had a Quest/ Quest 2 and Oculus go version in development as well. Interesting addition. Basically though, crypto tore Neos apart from the inside out, no matter how compelling the technology. Thank you to everyone that participated in my dozens of interviews. This is one of the largest "journalistic" videos I have ever done and it took a lot of work, but I hope you enjoyed it. Much Love, Thrill My links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/Thrilluwu Discord: https://discord.gg/2hCGM9BYez Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Neos discord: https://discord.gg/eNYu4xbhVF

  • if i am kicked for just stating my observations and stating it as merely a observation as i cant see every communication and be on at all times all well
  • @mLehmk #49939 07:10 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Yeah, but remarkable how people are so easily willing to give support. I guess, that's what you get if you love your community
  • @Fuzy_Sidwell #49940 07:11 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    ???
  • @archietheraccoon #49941 07:11 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Although, what about the stability of the crypto? How can I be sure with using it that one day my 100 coins cost... Lets say 100€ and that the next day it would cost around the same?
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49941 #49942 07:13 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Anything that has a max coin cap and has no control instruments is volatile. However the more popular this coin gets, the more valuable it becomes, as there is limited supply but raising demand.
  • @archietheraccoon #49943 07:14 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Seems pretty risky. Exactly like all other interactions with crypto
  • @archietheraccoon #49944 07:15 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    It may go up, but may go down
  • @archietheraccoon #49945 07:16 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Why would someone want to deal with those risks while just wanting to buy/sell an asset ingame
  • @mLehmk #49946 07:16 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Even your 100€ has a different value every other minute. The thing with fiat however is, there is a huge stable market attached and a government backing it and requiring taxes being paid in that currency. Also money is being created the more demand there is, so there is a controlled inflation and the value is not simply just going up there
  • @archietheraccoon #49947 07:19 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Yeah exactly, thats why my 100€ are stable enough with the approximate decreasing in value every year by 5-10% depending on the whole industry. Paying taxes, yeah, maybe sucks, but its a part of everything nowadays. Question kinda stays the same -> who would want to take that crypto risk for ingame assets xP
  • @mLehmk #49948 07:22 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Let's first see, if it is a risk. Because if it is, then no one would want that for payments.
    Like the scenario of receiving pay for something while coin has a high value and then the price suddenly dropping. Is that what I could tackle to try to answer?
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49940 #49949 07:30 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    I wanted to mention how a team who loves their community gets support without demanding it
  • @Fuzy_Sidwell #49950 07:32 AM, 19 Aug 2023
    Ahh
  • @D5goph #49952 05:18 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Hello
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49952 #49953 05:50 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Its an otter one!
  • @D5goph #49954 05:50 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    It me! DerangedGopher in Neos
  • @Snubby #49955 05:51 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    group of nerds. how are all of ya
  • @Floximo #49956 05:51 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    I accidently induced a riot. How is you?
  • @Snubby ↶ Reply to #49956 #49957 05:51 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    riots are fun
  • @Snubby #49958 05:52 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    got a buncha cassettes n records. so im just listenin
  • @D5goph #49959 05:52 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Is it a riot though if there isn't at least 1 fire and someone getting out of their car with a bow and arrow?
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #49951 #49960 05:53 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    do not, the cat. It was such a good inside joke... ... the cat is me
  • @Snubby ↶ Reply to #49959 #49961 05:53 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    its persons first riot :>
  • @D5goph #49962 05:54 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Mazel tov
  • Are you the OG Seth Otter?
  • @D5goph ↶ Reply to #49963 #49964 06:50 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Maybe? I am me XD
  • @D5goph ↶ Reply to #49963 #49965 06:53 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    you are welcome to DM me a pic and I can confirm. But I am the owner of the art in my pfp.
  • @nyx_whitefox #49966 08:42 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Awoo?
  • @CyanTabby #49967 08:45 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    bwah
  • @PunLordGirabresol #49968 08:55 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Meow!
  • @nyx_whitefox #49969 09:01 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    I am thankful to have interrupted this chat with my Awoo
  • @6357929707 #49970 11:28 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Hello Neos Metaverse - Neos Credits Telegram
  • Awoo
  • @sharkmare0001 #49972 11:35 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Cheese
  • @Levi775 ↶ Reply to #49969 #49973 11:37 PM, 19 Aug 2023
    Awoo
  • Pickle
  • 20 August 2023 (29 messages)
  • @nyx_whitefox #49975 12:15 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Smh now all those that have awoo’d shall receive a $5,000 fine
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #49976 12:15 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Where is everyone coming from? I thought groups had join notices. I just want stake.
  • @D5goph #49977 12:19 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Steak sounds great right now
  • @Snubby ↶ Reply to #49977 #49978 12:30 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    mmm yum
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #49979 12:36 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Just a lot going on with everything at stake.
  • Did you say steak?
  • They made it into one them managed groups
  • @LinkaIndustries #49982 08:45 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Meaning all users join leave and user list is now anonymous
  • @LinkaIndustries #49983 08:45 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Also means u can see who saw your message
  • @GeckoTerminalTrend #49984 09:18 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Hi
  • @jombu4444bnb2global #49985 09:42 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Hello
  • @mLehmk #49986 09:59 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Huh, what just happened?
  • @mLehmk #49987 10:00 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    NCR suddenly doubled in value
  • @LinkaIndustries #49988 10:04 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    yeah
  • @LinkaIndustries #49989 10:04 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    ncr is up by 95%
  • @LinkaIndustries #49990 10:04 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    0.2 per coin
  • @mLehmk #49991 10:06 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    It happened on Uniswap v2. It was bought for above .2 and then sold again for a similar value
  • @mLehmk #49992 10:10 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    https://etherscan.io/tx/0x6d074b2a27298fdd5dd0031faafbac6b328bc981585cace8cf4622c4d6e36a19
    https://etherscan.io/tx/0xdea2b416564b6137cfbb468a7f7622800069fdb302dc5a7b57cfdc36ed7a06c6
  • @Morgylew ↶ Reply to #49991 #49993 11:01 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    What is that all about? Coins dead.
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #49993 #49994 11:32 AM, 20 Aug 2023
    Sudden spike in the value.
    Any reason why you think the coin was dead?
  • @6324579079 #49995 01:57 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    Why the price
  • @6324579079 #49996 01:57 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    Doubled?
  • @mLehmk #49997 04:03 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    Because someone on Uniswap v2 thought to buy and sell it for that price somehow
  • @Snubby ↶ Reply to #49989 #49998 06:11 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    TO THE MOOOOOOON 🌑🌑🔥🔥💯
  • @Snubby #49999 06:11 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    i had to T.T
  • @nordnpv #50000 07:12 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    artificial increase or what??
  • @5897875079 #50001 07:15 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    damn, i missed the jump - gotta setup notifications for this
  • is yet down !!
  • @1001907480 #50003 10:11 PM, 20 Aug 2023
    It appears to me this mooning failed.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/liOy6d3Dv7E?feature=share
    Russia's Moon Mission Fails With Luna-25's Crash

    Russia's Moon Mission Fails With Luna-25's CrashRussia's first moon mission in 47 years failed after its Luna-25 space craft spun out of control and smashed ...

  • 21 August 2023 (11 messages)
  • Yeah it dropped
  • @LinkaIndustries #50005 09:11 AM, 21 Aug 2023
    Shame it didn't hold
  • @SkyeTheTimeBeast #50006 10:40 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    hey can anybody help with linking a neos with a patreon to get benefits?
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #50006 #50007 10:55 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    as far as i remember it (long time ago) same mail will work. As well as contacting support
  • @NoPigRobot #50009 b o t 10:56 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    Message from 𝓢𝓴𝔂𝓮 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓣𝓲𝓶𝓮 𝓑𝓮𝓪𝓼𝓽 has been deleted because it contains swear words (???)
  • i need to stop being a lazy **** then cause i just sign in with apple ID 😭
  • @Floximo #50011 10:59 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    Yea well, perhaps you can add your mail-address on patreon directly. I am not sure if it works
  • @Floximo #50012 10:59 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    But its worth a try. Connecting apple-id and other account infos (google, login/pass)
  • @Floximo #50013 10:59 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    Otherwise, yea, support
  • @SkyeTheTimeBeast #50014 11:00 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    yea ive just sorted it out now, added the password and switched the email to an actual one lol
  • @Floximo #50015 11:00 PM, 21 Aug 2023
    Great. Well there are some people that had different mails for patreon and neos. Happens, but rarely
  • 22 August 2023 (11 messages)
  • Legal Battle Part 2
  • @1029822493 #50017 01:25 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    I Would Not Trust Anything Out Of That Group At This Point
  • @1029822493 #50018 01:26 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    Caustic Development
  • Which group?
  • @neohij #50020 06:07 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    ProbablePrime is the spy!! 🤫
  • @ProbablePrime #50021 07:04 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    7
  • @5897875079 #50022 07:17 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    6
  • @Fuzy_Sidwell #50023 10:28 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    7
  • @Floximo ↶ Reply to #50022 #50024 10:30 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    No, 7, it has to be a prime number :P
  • @Eli_Dayax #50025 10:56 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    It’s probably prime
  • @Snubby #50026 10:57 AM, 22 Aug 2023
    Aww yea, Prime Time
  • 23 August 2023 (24 messages)
  • @6517876043 #50027 04:56 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    It wasn't until today that I truly grasped Karel's words about taking users hostage. The Neos group has actually taken users hostage as a means to negotiate with Karel.
  • @ProbablePrime #50028 04:57 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    Could you elaborate on how this was done?
  • @Klaxus ↶ Reply to #50027 #50029 04:58 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    I am genuinely perplexed as to what you mean by this?
  • @Floximo #50030 04:59 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    I kind of even question if Karel said that. That sounds pretty far fetched. As far as i am aware, both sides at least worked togehter to the point that "what nessesary" was done over the last 2 years
  • @Floximo #50031 05:00 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    As highlighted by the (few) updates neos received. Updates that Karel obviously could not have done without Source code or anyone officially working with him, that has access to it.
  • @Floximo #50032 05:01 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    In exchange, Karel kept paying for Cloud/Server services from Patron resources, didn't actually sabotage it or shut it down.
  • @6517876043 #50033 05:04 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    We've conducted investigations to gather substantial evidence. We've also dispatched someone to the Czech Republic to carry out the necessary legal documentation procedures.
  • @Floximo #50034 05:05 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    That sounds like a no-answer to me. Why even start it if you don't want to answer? If its really about evidence and legal proceedings, i am sure you got told to not say anything, because that could help the other side, right? Compromise own evidence?
  • @ProbablePrime #50035 05:12 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    Excellent, once the legal paperwork is published please, feel free to link it here.
  • Why? These are just joking words... and I really dislike you. Playing with words is not good and has no benefits
  • @ProbablePrime #50037 05:15 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    So you haven't carried out the legal documentation procedures? I see
  • @Eli_Dayax #50038 05:17 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    We? 💀
  • @Floximo #50039 05:19 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    Could be multiple people, could be schizophrenic... gender? We might never know.. hu... and WE is now me or everyone here or... things get complicated fast
  • @Eli_Dayax #50040 05:19 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    the threat to dispatch people to cz is a bit funny ngl
  • @Floximo #50041 05:20 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    Oh comeon, it is^^
  • You're insulting me!
  • @Floximo #50043 05:24 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    You are insulting OUR intelligence, i didn't insult you, i just listed options.
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50044 05:34 AM, 23 Aug 2023
    Yo, where did the coins go? Volume just sank. Only $197 now?
  • Explain? What is this happening?
  • @LinkaIndustries #50048 01:45 PM, 23 Aug 2023
    We talking about that jump to 0.2?
  • @mLehmk #50049 01:56 PM, 23 Aug 2023
    I guess someone bought and sold NCR using WETH on Uniswap v2 at a higher than expected price
  • Trading volume went from $20k to $2k then only $200. Now back up to... $4.6k? Like immediate changes in large
  • @Floximo #50051 06:51 PM, 23 Aug 2023
    With such a low total volume, jumps like this are natural. Specially because most people trading doing pump and dump
  • 24 August 2023 (7 messages)
  • @Lexevo #50052 12:39 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    Just letting you know that https://wiki.neosvr.com is not working properly currently.

    (I already knew about https://wiki.neos.com not working but that seems to be redirecting properly. It's just the wiki page not loading properly anymore)
  • @malooniac #50053 01:39 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    Hi @Lexevo , what exactly is the issue please. I have just checked and everything seems to be loading fine?
  • @Lexevo #50054 01:43 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    Ah sorry about that, the wiki is loading fine now. It was showing this before: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873730341146361876/1144035276969222335/image.png
  • @Klaxus #50055 05:47 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    The Wiki still isn't working..
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50056 06:51 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    again? It's very slow for me
  • @sharkmare0001 #50057 08:34 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    wiki.neosvr works, neos does not
  • @mLehmk #50058 09:24 AM, 24 Aug 2023
    it seems the wiki was temporarily down this morning
  • 25 August 2023 (86 messages)
  • @frmetatron #50059 02:25 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    Love the look and feeling of the Neos website
  • @frmetatron #50060 02:26 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    I've been out of Neos for a two months... What's new?
  • @frmetatron #50061 02:32 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    Ohh!! There's an online Neos account now. Cool!
  • @ProbablePrime #50062 02:33 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    There always has been, the new one has a new coat of paint and functionality that's described in the pinned message
  • Nice paint job.
  • @frmetatron #50064 05:27 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    Hey everyone! I'm curious... When it comes to exploring XR "metaverse" protects or events, how do you find them? Haven't you had a hard time finding them?
  • @D5goph #50065 05:28 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    There are some discord groups that might be helpful. The Neos official one is a good place to start, but there are others
  • @D5goph #50066 05:29 AM, 25 Aug 2023
    Join the NeosVR Discord Server!

    Official Discord server for the Neos VR metaverse engine - a place for everyone to socialize, create and learn! | 21254 members

  • Thanks. Didn't knew about other discord groups to discover XR projects and events
  • The discord isn't official
  • @D5goph ↶ Reply to #50068 #50069 01:37 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Oh? ✨🌈 🌟 the more you know
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #50069 #50070 01:48 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    its not """official""" but it is currently the largest external platform for neos, which does make it easier to get help from the community..
  • This
  • @nyx_whitefox #50072 04:04 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Always active and full of people willing to help
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50073 04:26 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I'm very confused. How come there are so many pictures on the Discord, yet nothing here?
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #50073 #50074 04:27 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    sending media is disabled here
  • This is the official Discord of NeosVR the Unity client
  • @sctanf86 #50076 04:28 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    ok, thanks for clarifying
  • @760333748 #50077 04:29 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Not Neos Metaverse in general sctanf is right about that
  • @760333748 #50078 04:29 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Will be clearer when there is wider selection of clients
  • Yeah people used to send naughty stuff sometimes, probably better having it disabled 😅
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50080 04:35 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Why many clients?
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50081 04:37 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    The one from the trailer looked good. Why not making that one the core one?
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #50081 #50082 05:00 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    it was just announced or showcased, while the existing client has already been around for some time
  • @knackrack615 #50083 05:13 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Friendly reminder: The new WebUI still has no registration functionality for new users. Karel @malooniac
  • @Voxophone #50084 06:26 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I miss media 😢
  • How come I can't find a link to the Discord on the site? Taking some snapshots from there and combining it with a revamped trailer for the next update would greatly bump up attention and coin value.
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50086 06:35 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Would be so cool.
  • I'm confused because your said multiple times this wasn't official?
  • @5579737608 #50088 06:38 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    This is the official communication channel, Discord has been hijacked by a former contractor and cerainly isn’t an official channel. We’ll be removing it from our website during the next update. We’ll be sending email to everyone when the new system is up and running.
  • @5579737608 #50089 06:38 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    We're you mistaken then?
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50090 06:59 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    It's unofficial? I'm confused. What is Neos then? I just want to get in on the staking as early as possible
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #50090 #50091 06:59 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    oh, then you can ignore all this
    its not important for you
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #50087 #50092 07:00 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    he clarified already if you would read it:
    for neos as a whole, it is unofficial
    for unity client, it is official
  • @sctanf86 #50093 07:01 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    the clients are separate
  • @frmetatron #50094 09:25 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Good to know all this. I like the Neos Discord server. Many helpful and friendly people
  • @frmetatron #50095 09:25 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Do you guys know any other sources to find new XR/Virtual worlds/Events?
  • @D5goph #50096 09:34 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Yes. There are a few communities I know of that host regular events. I am sure there are many i don't know of yet also
  • @5897875079 #50097 10:04 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Are there any tutorials on how to manage NCR ingame through logix? I want to setup a 1v1 PVP shooter, and I'd like to include some kind of betting system / winner takes all setup. But I've got no clue how to make that work automatically ingame
  • @Floximo #50098 10:15 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I am unsure if ProbablePrime created videos about this specific topic, specificly because he might less inclined to like the idea, but if you want to learn about logix, try his videos on youtube
  • That sounds like a really awesome idea
  • @Floximo #50100 10:16 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    You can easily add to that by searching the logiX nodes with a logiX searcher
  • @Floximo #50101 10:16 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    to use nodes isn't that difficult after you understoud how everything else works
  • Probably would need to be managed by a bot that both players send some amount to and let the game inform that bot in some manner who the winner is
  • @DeltaWolf #50103 10:21 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    There is a 'tipjar' component players can click on that can prompt them the send NCR/KFC dialog
  • @DeltaWolf #50104 10:22 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    And then tipjar event nodes for logix to then react when an amount of either is sent
  • @Floximo #50105 10:22 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    i remember someone making a casino of a kind with ncr
  • @5897875079 #50107 10:24 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    yeah, i might go the bot route
    plus, the bot could sit in the instance and record the packets with that one mod, so if a player feels cheated they can call for packet analyzation
    i dont trust the tipjar, it looks like anyone can change the recipient with a single packet
    wait actually
    When a valuecopy with writeback is "localizing" a value, can that value ever be changed by an external request?

    either i go with a facet for the sending NCR (for security), or it's all messaging the bot
    again since money is involved it gets dicey with no hard permissions update
  • @Floximo #50108 10:27 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I would in general put the NCR send/receive logic on a single function in your world
  • @Floximo #50109 10:27 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Like an... exchange-device for play-tokens
  • @Floximo #50110 10:28 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    and all your games handle only play-tokens
  • @Floximo #50111 10:28 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    if a player wants to get the money in NCR, he needs to call this single routine/device
  • @Floximo #50112 10:28 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    and the same way the other way around
  • @Floximo #50113 10:29 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    reduces the amount of errors you can make in a small function
  • The dialog will prompt you with who it is sending to before you pick the amount and before you send it to confirm, it also occurs entirely in the userspace separate from the world you are in.
  • @5897875079 #50115 10:30 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Oh thank god that simplifies stuff
  • @Floximo #50116 10:31 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    i remember the casino handling this similar. The mechanic to send/receive ncr is very specific but also time consuming for doing it on every game
  • The tipjar solely provides the User to send it to with optionally providing the token type to send (otherwise it will ask the user which to send)
  • @5897875079 #50118 10:34 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Okay, so maybe then the amount they've put in would be handled via cloud vars? I've messed with cloudvars once (terribly). Is there a way to ensure that the users can only read their cloudvar value, and only the bot could write that cloudvar value?
  • @5897875079 #50119 10:35 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    if not it'd have to be a whole backend, which is usually messier
  • @Floximo #50120 10:35 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    YES but... there is a time delay as far as i know
  • @Floximo #50121 10:35 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I would read in that very closely, because you can screw up a lot with that delay
  • @Floximo #50122 10:36 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    the only way that seams to be safe is if you host that world and its the only instance that can be created and the only thing that can change this value
  • @Floximo #50123 10:36 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    and you are aware of this
  • Yes you can make cloudvars be effectively read-only, owned by the bot account and the bot account can manage it
  • @DeltaWolf #50125 10:37 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Cloudvars do get cached and can take up to 5 minutes to update
  • @Floximo #50126 10:39 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    This means... if your world crashes, you have to plan for a considerable delay until you use the old data, you have to be aware and you can only have a single instance running
  • @Floximo #50127 10:40 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    multiple updating each others values will not work as expected
  • @Floximo #50128 10:40 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    So yea, limitations. Fun.
  • @Floximo #50129 10:42 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    But as far as i know, the cloudvars are 5 minute update max between 2 online instances
  • @Floximo #50130 10:42 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    meaning, if you have 2 world instances open, it can take 5 minutes for values changed by the other changed to that value
  • @Floximo #50131 10:42 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    But if you have a single instance and you had non open anymore, and start it again, the data should be on point
  • @Floximo #50132 10:43 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    you have to test that to make sure
  • @Floximo #50133 10:43 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    the delay here isn't that the server doesn't know, its caching of the already intitialized instance
  • @Floximo #50134 10:44 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    requesting every cloud variable every tick from the server, would inflict massive traffic loads
  • @5897875079 #50135 10:45 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Maybe players could open up a private instance of the world, and then ingame request for a bot to join so that the match can run.
    Is there a way for bots to join a private instance with some kind of key?
    Or would match instances have to be a hidden public
  • @Floximo #50136 10:46 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    As said, i would advice against doing private instances for multiple reasons
  • @Floximo #50137 10:47 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    One is the cloud variables that may not be syncronized between all instances in realtime, others is that it makes hacking it easier if you have your private instance that you can work against for hours and days
  • @Floximo #50138 10:48 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I would plan for a single, public instance, using cloud variables to make sure a crash doesn't lead to a loss of data/money
  • @Floximo #50139 10:48 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    And let logix handle the current virtual money as world variable
  • @Floximo #50140 10:49 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    (triggering update to cloud variable on every change)
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50141 10:49 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    I am so glad you all understand this
  • @Floximo #50142 10:50 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Sorry about spaming the channel. I am sure you find a good solution Hola. Everything with a bot-client that needs to join, private instances and handling of NCR-calls for every single game... i would simply not attempt
  • @Floximo #50143 10:51 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Thats all no-no's
  • @Floximo #50144 10:51 PM, 25 Aug 2023
    Good luck
  • 26 August 2023 (11 messages)
  • The bot account could be made to interact with cloud vars without being in the world, same for receiving/sending tokens. Shouldn't be required for a bot to exist in the world.
  • @mLehmk ↶ Reply to #50097 #50146 05:23 AM, 26 Aug 2023
    I'd suggest holding onto that idea until a new client is released. Imagine PvP shooter could be developed with Unreal Engine with some kind of NCR rewards.
  • I will awooo when I want to :p
  • @PunLordGirabresol #50148 05:25 PM, 26 Aug 2023
    That's why I Mewoo
  • @cyberlynix #50149 05:29 PM, 26 Aug 2023
    Awoo
  • Nope
  • @nyx_whitefox #50151 05:32 PM, 26 Aug 2023
    No awoo allowed
  • @mLehmk #50152 05:33 PM, 26 Aug 2023
    Ohh. 666 members currently
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  • @malooniac
  • 28 August 2023 (16 messages)
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  • @PunLordGirabresol #50170 10:52 PM, 28 Aug 2023
    Ok then
  • @sctanf86 #50171 11:49 PM, 28 Aug 2023
    what the hell
  • 29 August 2023 (29 messages)
  • @ModernBalloonie #50172 12:01 AM, 29 Aug 2023
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  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50173 12:03 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    Wow, the heck?
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50174 12:03 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    Someone win jackpot on slots?
  • No way, sadly it’s Bradley
  • @Eli_Dayax #50176 12:22 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    :3
  • @sctanf86 ↶ Reply to #50175 #50177 12:23 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    bradley Real??
  • @Eli_Dayax #50178 12:24 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    Dang no stickers allowed in this chat
  • @sctanf86 #50179 12:24 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    1984
  • @Eli_Dayax #50180 12:24 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    No emotion allowed
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50181 12:57 AM, 29 Aug 2023
    I don't know much about stickers, but the inability to post media here made it hard to realize things were being made on the system. I thought stuff was still limited to just the trailer
  • It is bad for server as you are unable to share video or picture about project
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50184 05:02 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    If people can share links, how come product links aren't shared here? Is it due to a lack of interest?
  • @PunLordGirabresol #50185 05:05 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    What product other than Neos and NCR would one be putting in here anyways?
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50186 05:05 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    project* sorry
  • @PunLordGirabresol #50187 05:06 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    Ahhhhh
  • All links share in discord it look like
  • @D5goph #50189 06:32 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    Yeah. It appears that this telegram chat is centered around NCR specifically. For more community-centric stuff you would be better suited getting involved in the discord.
  • @boldparadoxal_eth #50190 06:39 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    Couldn't people here help fund the community's projects? It'd be such an improvement to everything and give more power to NCR
  • @D5goph #50191 06:53 PM, 29 Aug 2023
    So...about that.
    The majority of people interested in community projects and events seem uninterested in NCR from my experience.