- 15 August 2023 (633 messages)
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I’ve always felt that creators should be allowed to sell or rent space in their worlds but doing it at the metaverse level makes not much sense other then getting a lot of funding -
SLs i the only one that kinda makes sense since its useed to pay for the hosting costs of the "instance" its kinda like server hosting -
Selling or renting space can make sense if they've made a "thing" that people would like to exist within. For example people commission/rent apartments in some of the popular VRChat worlds. -
But that's more a payment for the artist/creator rather than platform.
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I guess VR rent would make sense if the home was like a unique uncopieable thing
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although still a bit odd conceptually
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but luxury payments are always odd
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There could be also services included like a concierge AI or something 😄
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I'm excited to see what I can do with my NCR! -
The host doing fun things for the residents
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Space made more sense in Second Life where there was no instancing (which had it's own charm). I'm still not sure whether I prefer instanced or global.
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Have you been in Neos lately? What is your VR equipment? -
Staking is not yet active, all that will be in the next update 😊
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How is that relevant?
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For real now?
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He is asking about staking
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What about the Stardust?
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What about it?
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I thought you were invested into Neos and the platform
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Neos is a VR platform. -
And when I understand correctly, staking rewards depend on time spent in some specific worlds in Neos and doing tasks to collect stardust that improves the percentage in staking
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Wasn't that staking to get people into Neos?
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“Invested” into it doesn’t mean you have to play. If some people believe that one day down the line it will be great they should be free to hold NCR without being harassed by players whos play they support at this time
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Staking still works its just increased by stardust levels
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Probably also good to mention here that if someone IS being harrassed to make a moderation ticket about it
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Past playtime before staking is active does not matter for staking percentage same as VR vs desktop/screen. Seems like a pretty harassy question to me.
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Tbh this is one of the reasons i like the rebranding from Neos"VR" to just Neos
Neos supports desktop play and theres nothing wrong with being a desktop user, ideally regardless of how you use neos you should be equal -
Our plan was to drop the VR part after a while but as with many things the plans were one sidedly changed
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I’ve argued so many times to change it to just Neos, that is also why we have the neos.com domain
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if im not mistaken all the branding has been changed to Neos, only place i can find the VR still is the Steam listing name
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I admit, I'm using Neos quite a lot in Desktop mode, even though I have full VR equipment.
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Just gotta be careful, talking about experiences like that too aggressively, it can come across as platform elitism
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Probably better in terms of immersion but not all aspects as you would otherwise use it exclusively in VR mode
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Maybe not as convenient?
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The thing is, VR isn't really that convenient to me, that's why I'm on Desktop mode so much
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Makes sense
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Persoally i use Neos exclusively in VR
But thats also because im simply built different genetically predispoed to being good at VR -
Desktop is great for building, VR is great for socializing and using what you've built -
Personally i love to build in VR because it gives me more sense of what things are like while actively building them.
That and mice have always felt clunky to me regardless of context -
Many creators actually using desktop mode for creation a lot and i understand this very well. Personally i like the perspective VR gives for creating. Neos is the first and only game that makes interacting with things feel intuitive. Not with everything mind you, but it has this feeling of "you can drag and drop a video into the game and its just in vr" -
Or "hey i like to share a picture with someone, lets drag&drop it in"
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I mean, any VR software will have. Furry is pretty much defined as people that feel an affinity to show themselfs as avatars... specificly antropomorphic animals.
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If you want to create a VR software that is intentionally want to exclude furries, consider not allowing avatars
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(custom avatars)
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Well, it sounded like its a problem to you, so i assumed you want that
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well majority of neos is furries -
and japanese users
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Do you know what survivor bias is?
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The fact that many furries voice discontent and show it in twitter is that neos has a lot of furry users... and also that Karel kind of insulted them on some ocations
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That wasn't hate though? -
I was just stating the obvious. If many people in Neos are Furries and many people are voicing discontent or leaving Neos, most of them will be... Furries
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I mean, math, right?
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That is statistically signification, i agree, but you think that most twitter users that agree (108) are actual VR players
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a?
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Ok... The users on twitter that agree (108) are possibly in majority people that are interested in investment, as this is the part that was presented in the most favorable way and as future of the project. Why would this make sense?
Because many of them don't actually use Neos as a VR space or software.
People that disagree are mostly VR users and many of them... surprise... are Furries. So thats the rational why this is survivor bias. The group impacted is actually the invisible one. -
All of this is not an attack but an observation. It is nice if there are new people that will be gained (non furries) that are interested in the project. But you also need creators and designers that are interested in the actual Product, not only in the Money behind it.
- 16 August 2023 (74 messages)
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Personally i just tune out every time "furries" as a group are brought up, its a weird reductionism.
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Fair. My $300 headset is a lot cheaper than a fursuit... -
NFTs are weird when thinking it through
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https://ibb.co/jkMTYrZ
Just showing that registering was possible on the old account website, KarelScreenshot-2023-08-16-121526 hosted at ImgBBImage Screenshot-2023-08-16-121526 hosted in ImgBB
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Furries are indeed very friendly. It requires actions of disrespect to change that. However even then it is usually possible to earn respect and be on good terms. As long as not crossing some line.
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Really? Seems like quite the generalisation. Those I’ve met have been decent kind folk. Definitely a few odd characters out there but mostly gems -
I only saw a tiny fraction of the crypto fandom so far and from what I have seen so far, it seems to support your statement
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The point I'm trying to get across is. That every fandom (or any larger group of people) has its share of awful people. Doesn't mean the whole fandom is awful. Sadly the awful people of their fandoms are also usually the loudest that also make its first impression
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Whenever you actually are part of a fandom, you finally get to meet the awesome and decent people of the fandom
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There is also to say that really inside neos there is no divide that it sounds like many seam to believe. There is not furry and "the others" or we against them mentality. In fact the avatar inside the game is seen as expression as self and seen as important to that person. Not an affiliation to some group.
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Would that be true to the crypto fandom as well?
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Maybe, i mean yea, it promotes group thinking. I still think most people, no mather in how many fandom at once, are usually sensible people. Usually its less the groups as it is group thinking
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But people like to align with people that think alike
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Hmm?
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I share that option
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I mean, groups always exist and act defensive if attacked as a whole. Like a word or assigned feature. "its all the woman's fault for not being as active in neos than men" pretty much could lead to the same reaction, if true or not
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Doesn't even require the women to have aligned interests or know each other
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Aye, I’m sure it was nothing else
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I think that enjoying Neos Metaverse and holding NCR should go hand in hand
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I agree. But i openly dislike the video and the way it is presented by Karel. To make crypto the center of attention of the VR world, and its existance the defining property, it will drive away many of the remaining patrons. I can't answer the question if its still a good business decission, because there is probably profit in it. But from the standpoint of a VR creator i strongly disagree with the chose path.
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I would have loved a crypto-ingame currency. I always found the idea of a ingame currency that can't be created from thin air interesting and makes it more reliable (as the owner of the game can't just go ahead and make more).
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But yea, as said, not as defining feature.
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Straight into misogyny with the example there? Couldn't have blamed the people who hate the colour yellow? 😂 -
Hehe, well an example is only effective if it triggers emotion.
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There's still vr gameplay
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Correction. Many VR users are mad because the focus presented is crypto currency and the VR software abandoned (as a codebase). In its place a new product is presented that will be inferior for many years until parity is reached as promised... if ever reached
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Because it's not an update to Neos as it exists today.
It's a cryptobro P2E web game stealing the Neos legacy that is beloved by many, compounded on the lies and immaturity of Karel clearly pushing whatever he can to ride that crypto train and become rich.
Directly from the Steam page listing:
"Play and explore with your friends, collaborate with your coworkers or grab powerful building tools and create something new right inside VR."
This "update" couldn't be further from that description, and only shows how Karel does not share the old Neos dev team' passion. -
If you need a summary of the whole situation, ThrillSeeker's video is very well done.
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Neos VR: The Untold Story of a Metaverse Tragedy
Hello. Today I have a full on documentary of probably the most tragic story within the entire VR industry. Developers shafted, a $500,000,000 market cap shriveled into nothing, and a community left torn. But there is still hope. Actually something interesting I came across, Neos had a Quest/ Quest 2 and Oculus go version in development as well. Interesting addition. Basically though, crypto tore Neos apart from the inside out, no matter how compelling the technology. Thank you to everyone that participated in my dozens of interviews. This is one of the largest "journalistic" videos I have ever done and it took a lot of work, but I hope you enjoyed it. Much Love, Thrill My links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/Thrilluwu Discord: https://discord.gg/2hCGM9BYez Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Neos discord: https://discord.gg/eNYu4xbhVF
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I'm a bit surprised there aren't more people interested in buying NCR now, with the opportunity to still get it low priced right now before staking
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You think NCR is going to increase in value?
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You know the entire crypto market is in decline, right?
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Yes and that makes NCR even more interesting, as it's going the opposite
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lol
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until someone saw the opportunity to drop their 112.67K of NCR and some paper hand sold their 20.83K at a loss they bought just half a day before.
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Keeps banning people for "FUD" fear, uncertainty, & doubt, meanwhile he can't even go a single day without contradicting himself.
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When he inevitably bans me for calling him out, you all know why.
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Weird hang up to have
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Kind of exciting seeing the value of NCR increase at all, Honestly the projected vision for Neos prior to all the drama was my dream vr social/eco game and it'd be great to see Neos make a comeback both in both aspects.
But there needs to be some more abstraction between Karel and the community, because PR between the company and those who use the product is currently trash.
also jesus christ, don't mention furries in this chat. Just don't. I could go on a long rant about this, but this needs to be over- it's pointless and harmful to the platform. - 17 August 2023 (29 messages)
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You can do this in our steam application. Other methods to do this are currently down unfortunately. -
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I'd recommend emailing hello@neos.com
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The money from minting NCR hasn't been used to pay for backend services yet. That's my knowledge from end of 2021
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We have paid with crypto for a lot of stuff as well the developers who sold the NCR they got through CDFT have. The question stands you have to have funding. A project without funding does not survive.
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The video also is kind of old. That said, i disagree with the path the development takes and stand by that. Imagine world of warcraft would focus all its effords on wow gold and its marketing around that.
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Maybe, but thats easily said if what is done is actual "shit"
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Defying expectations and actually investing in software and development of the actual focus of neos (as in the vr space) would have at least make people think they might be wrong.
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The JP community very much did not react well to this.
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Also regardless of what arbitrary community a person is a part of, if a change is done that they personally think is good they would say so.
It wouldnt change what they think about the other things that have been done but. people can change and prove others wrong
For me this update was exactly what i was expecting and more - 18 August 2023 (39 messages)
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So silent today
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There is not really much to say. There are the people that are happy about the changes and realize there will not be much news in the next half year... and there are the people that are unhappy with the path neos follows down now, and also realize there will be nothing important happening for the next month.
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My personal view is that Karel pretty much committed to a new Software/System that is very NCR near and will obviously not reach parity (if ever) with the current neos for many years. That may was what is expected by some and/or feared by others. Also there seams to be no intention to ever go the direction of a ingame-changable and creator-near system, because of the choise of engine that forbids that explicitly.
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Would love to see an open source git repository with the engine rebuild, along with another repo for the unreal engine integration
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The software that Neos is build on is not owned by any of the companies currently involved in the project Neos. Its owned by the creator(s) that made the software in the first place and that distanced themselfs from the project.
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But it obviously is possible to give api-access and open source the unreal integration.
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According to previous messages, they are rebuilding the codebase to be on parity with the cloud's spec. I want to see that code
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Yes, that would be the unreal project.
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For their "multiple flavored clients" idea, they've got to have the new codebase separate from the unreal engine integration.
I assumed it was separate, since that's the only way it'd work in their proposed "Neos Foundation" plan. If it isn't, then uhhhhhh -
I am unaware how it is exactly build. As far as my understanding goes, the unreal client uses the api and records
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I assume that is the request to Karels account (please don't pin me on that, i just typed in the name).
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And in addition to that there is the records of the actual neosdb-files, like pictures and everything else. Also under control of Karel.
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More than that there is no connection to the old client.
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The api is also used by the website and probably could also be used by any other flavored client. I am not sure what the new codebase seperation would entail further than that. Its not that complicated really. But parsing the records in the world and showing them as objects, with all functions, seams unreasonable complicated to me (LogiX, UIX,...)
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The dev doesn’t want to open source it and is also not willing to develop it so developing it again is pretty much the only option
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Soo... something else/new
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It is not allowed to be open source, if it's based on Unreal Engine. Which contradicts the intent to go open source with Neos.
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Oh, i was thinking of FrooxEngine separation - so there'd be two parts of a client, the FrooxEngine part (which governs components and their functionality, so that different clients can connect to eachother) and the frontend part (rendering and everything else through something - unreal, godot, unity, full fledged custom)
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the official frontend would be unreal, and others could make their own frontends.
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Its also not allowed to include all the tools that make neos unique. Dev-Tip, Logix, Material tip, shapes, components, dynamic rigs. The problem with unreal is that you can't make an editor in it.
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Im guessing userspace is gonna be client governed now
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Contrary to that. Those tools are allowed, however the content created must be UE-Only content. So it cannot be stored in Neos cloud
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which is why they're setting up a webpage
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You are allowed to open source your content, that includes the entire project. Engine code is not allowed
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As far as my knowledge goes, Unreal Engine has strikt limits to integrating other third-party tools and services, specificly cloud storage and exporters. Pretty much the defining feature of Neos VR, the ability to create and share content, even if that content might be considered age restricted or licensewise questionable.
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As it is not allowed in general, you can not make tools available that allow users to create or share such content.
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From what I understand is that Epics EULA doesn't allow, that any engine content is distributed individually as it is their property obviously.
An example would be creating worlds. Right now, you can not bake your lighting in the game or anywhere else (Other than baking it into the texture). This results in big performance dips if you want to make your world pretty or to VRC standard. Now, to utilise the most modern technologies like Lumen or Nanite, which UE5 offers, you would have to ship the code that generates the lighting or the meshes to end-users and as such would ship Engine Code with it. Unreal allows you, to get inspired or get help by their code, but straight up copying or replicating it is prohibited. Correct me if I am wrong. -
You would basically have to make your own baking etc. and if you're that far already, why not just make your own renderer.
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So in terms of flexibility, using Unreal would be the same as using Unity just with a bit better graphics..
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Any Unreal Based games, which you can make mods for, always go with the VRC route.
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The Unity EULA is not that restrictive
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It's also not open source so you can't even break the EULA in this case..
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But there is nothing really limiting you on creation tools inside unity and sharing that content, like the Unreal Engine license limits one
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Nobody but the team knows for sure what Resonite actually is other than VR-related. Everyone is assuming.
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It could be a dog for all we know.
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A very portable floppy eared dog.
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*petable
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Do you have a reference for the alleged rug pull? Also crypto is usually the opposite of lack of transparency. The feature of most block chains is to have a public ledger that everyone can look at and verify what is going on. The code for tokens and the block chain itself is usually open as well, so everyone can verify. DAOs cannot operate in the dark on block chains either, it's all on the block chain, including the code.
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From what i have observed people aren't telling them to Go give money to (YDMS) but simply pointing out its existence but I could be mistaken. -
What surprises me is this, when everything is in the open and people can check the stuff, why is it still that people are being scammed with crypto?
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Careful, people had been kicked from here mentioning them, because it's FUD
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if i am kicked for just stating my observations and stating it as merely a observation as i cant see every communication and be on at all times all well
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Yeah, but remarkable how people are so easily willing to give support. I guess, that's what you get if you love your community
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???
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Although, what about the stability of the crypto? How can I be sure with using it that one day my 100 coins cost... Lets say 100€ and that the next day it would cost around the same?
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Anything that has a max coin cap and has no control instruments is volatile. However the more popular this coin gets, the more valuable it becomes, as there is limited supply but raising demand.
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Seems pretty risky. Exactly like all other interactions with crypto
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It may go up, but may go down
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Why would someone want to deal with those risks while just wanting to buy/sell an asset ingame
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Even your 100€ has a different value every other minute. The thing with fiat however is, there is a huge stable market attached and a government backing it and requiring taxes being paid in that currency. Also money is being created the more demand there is, so there is a controlled inflation and the value is not simply just going up there
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Yeah exactly, thats why my 100€ are stable enough with the approximate decreasing in value every year by 5-10% depending on the whole industry. Paying taxes, yeah, maybe sucks, but its a part of everything nowadays. Question kinda stays the same -> who would want to take that crypto risk for ingame assets xP
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Let's first see, if it is a risk. Because if it is, then no one would want that for payments.
Like the scenario of receiving pay for something while coin has a high value and then the price suddenly dropping. Is that what I could tackle to try to answer? -
I wanted to mention how a team who loves their community gets support without demanding it
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It me! DerangedGopher in Neos
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group of nerds. how are all of ya
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I accidently induced a riot. How is you?
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riots are fun
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got a buncha cassettes n records. so im just listenin
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Is it a riot though if there isn't at least 1 fire and someone getting out of their car with a bow and arrow?
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do not, the cat. It was such a good inside joke... ... the cat is me
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its persons first riot :>
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Mazel tov
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Maybe? I am me XD
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you are welcome to DM me a pic and I can confirm. But I am the owner of the art in my pfp.
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Meow!
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I am thankful to have interrupted this chat with my Awoo
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- 20 August 2023 (29 messages)
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Smh now all those that have awoo’d shall receive a $5,000 fine
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Steak sounds great right now
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mmm yum
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Just a lot going on with everything at stake.
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Did you say steak?
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They made it into one them managed groups -
Meaning all users join leave and user list is now anonymous
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Also means u can see who saw your message
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Huh, what just happened?
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NCR suddenly doubled in value
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yeah
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ncr is up by 95%
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0.2 per coin
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It happened on Uniswap v2. It was bought for above .2 and then sold again for a similar value
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https://etherscan.io/tx/0x6d074b2a27298fdd5dd0031faafbac6b328bc981585cace8cf4622c4d6e36a19
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Because someone on Uniswap v2 thought to buy and sell it for that price somehow
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TO THE MOOOOOOON 🌑🌑🔥🔥💯
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i had to T.T
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artificial increase or what??
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damn, i missed the jump - gotta setup notifications for this
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It appears to me this mooning failed.
https://youtube.com/shorts/liOy6d3Dv7E?feature=shareRussia's Moon Mission Fails With Luna-25's CrashRussia's Moon Mission Fails With Luna-25's CrashRussia's first moon mission in 47 years failed after its Luna-25 space craft spun out of control and smashed ...
- 21 August 2023 (11 messages)
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Yeah it dropped
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as far as i remember it (long time ago) same mail will work. As well as contacting support
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Message from 𝓢𝓴𝔂𝓮 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓣𝓲𝓶𝓮 𝓑𝓮𝓪𝓼𝓽 has been deleted because it contains swear words (???) -
i need to stop being a lazy **** then cause i just sign in with apple ID 😭
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Yea well, perhaps you can add your mail-address on patreon directly. I am not sure if it works
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But its worth a try. Connecting apple-id and other account infos (google, login/pass)
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Otherwise, yea, support
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yea ive just sorted it out now, added the password and switched the email to an actual one lol
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Great. Well there are some people that had different mails for patreon and neos. Happens, but rarely
- 22 August 2023 (11 messages)
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Which group?
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ProbablePrime is the spy!! 🤫
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No, 7, it has to be a prime number :P
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It’s probably prime
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Aww yea, Prime Time
- 23 August 2023 (24 messages)
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I kind of even question if Karel said that. That sounds pretty far fetched. As far as i am aware, both sides at least worked togehter to the point that "what nessesary" was done over the last 2 years
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As highlighted by the (few) updates neos received. Updates that Karel obviously could not have done without Source code or anyone officially working with him, that has access to it.
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In exchange, Karel kept paying for Cloud/Server services from Patron resources, didn't actually sabotage it or shut it down.
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That sounds like a no-answer to me. Why even start it if you don't want to answer? If its really about evidence and legal proceedings, i am sure you got told to not say anything, because that could help the other side, right? Compromise own evidence?
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Excellent, once the legal paperwork is published please, feel free to link it here.
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So you haven't carried out the legal documentation procedures? I see
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We? 💀
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Could be multiple people, could be schizophrenic... gender? We might never know.. hu... and WE is now me or everyone here or... things get complicated fast
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the threat to dispatch people to cz is a bit funny ngl
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Oh comeon, it is^^
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You are insulting OUR intelligence, i didn't insult you, i just listed options.
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Yo, where did the coins go? Volume just sank. Only $197 now?
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We talking about that jump to 0.2?
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I guess someone bought and sold NCR using WETH on Uniswap v2 at a higher than expected price
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Trading volume went from $20k to $2k then only $200. Now back up to... $4.6k? Like immediate changes in large
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With such a low total volume, jumps like this are natural. Specially because most people trading doing pump and dump
- 24 August 2023 (7 messages)
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Just letting you know that https://wiki.neosvr.com is not working properly currently.
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Ah sorry about that, the wiki is loading fine now. It was showing this before: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873730341146361876/1144035276969222335/image.png
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The Wiki still isn't working..
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again? It's very slow for me
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wiki.neosvr works, neos does not
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it seems the wiki was temporarily down this morning
- 25 August 2023 (86 messages)
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I've been out of Neos for a two months... What's new?
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Ohh!! There's an online Neos account now. Cool!
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There always has been, the new one has a new coat of paint and functionality that's described in the pinned message
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Nice paint job.
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Hey everyone! I'm curious... When it comes to exploring XR "metaverse" protects or events, how do you find them? Haven't you had a hard time finding them?
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There are some discord groups that might be helpful. The Neos official one is a good place to start, but there are others
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Join the NeosVR Discord Server!
Official Discord server for the Neos VR metaverse engine - a place for everyone to socialize, create and learn! | 21254 members
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Thanks. Didn't knew about other discord groups to discover XR projects and events
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its not """official""" but it is currently the largest external platform for neos, which does make it easier to get help from the community..
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This
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Always active and full of people willing to help
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I'm very confused. How come there are so many pictures on the Discord, yet nothing here?
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sending media is disabled here
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This is the official Discord of NeosVR the Unity client
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ok, thanks for clarifying
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Not Neos Metaverse in general sctanf is right about that
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Will be clearer when there is wider selection of clients
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Yeah people used to send naughty stuff sometimes, probably better having it disabled 😅
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Why many clients?
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The one from the trailer looked good. Why not making that one the core one?
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it was just announced or showcased, while the existing client has already been around for some time
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Friendly reminder: The new WebUI still has no registration functionality for new users. Karel @malooniac -
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How come I can't find a link to the Discord on the site? Taking some snapshots from there and combining it with a revamped trailer for the next update would greatly bump up attention and coin value.
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Would be so cool.
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It's unofficial? I'm confused. What is Neos then? I just want to get in on the staking as early as possible
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oh, then you can ignore all this
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he clarified already if you would read it:
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the clients are separate
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Good to know all this. I like the Neos Discord server. Many helpful and friendly people
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Do you guys know any other sources to find new XR/Virtual worlds/Events?
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Yes. There are a few communities I know of that host regular events. I am sure there are many i don't know of yet also
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Are there any tutorials on how to manage NCR ingame through logix? I want to setup a 1v1 PVP shooter, and I'd like to include some kind of betting system / winner takes all setup. But I've got no clue how to make that work automatically ingame
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I am unsure if ProbablePrime created videos about this specific topic, specificly because he might less inclined to like the idea, but if you want to learn about logix, try his videos on youtube
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That sounds like a really awesome idea
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You can easily add to that by searching the logiX nodes with a logiX searcher
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to use nodes isn't that difficult after you understoud how everything else works
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Probably would need to be managed by a bot that both players send some amount to and let the game inform that bot in some manner who the winner is -
There is a 'tipjar' component players can click on that can prompt them the send NCR/KFC dialog
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And then tipjar event nodes for logix to then react when an amount of either is sent
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i remember someone making a casino of a kind with ncr
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yeah, i might go the bot route
plus, the bot could sit in the instance and record the packets with that one mod, so if a player feels cheated they can call for packet analyzation
i dont trust the tipjar, it looks like anyone can change the recipient with a single packet
wait actually
When a valuecopy with writeback is "localizing" a value, can that value ever be changed by an external request?
either i go with a facet for the sending NCR (for security), or it's all messaging the bot
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I would in general put the NCR send/receive logic on a single function in your world
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Like an... exchange-device for play-tokens
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and all your games handle only play-tokens
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if a player wants to get the money in NCR, he needs to call this single routine/device
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and the same way the other way around
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reduces the amount of errors you can make in a small function
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The dialog will prompt you with who it is sending to before you pick the amount and before you send it to confirm, it also occurs entirely in the userspace separate from the world you are in.
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Oh thank god that simplifies stuff
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i remember the casino handling this similar. The mechanic to send/receive ncr is very specific but also time consuming for doing it on every game
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The tipjar solely provides the User to send it to with optionally providing the token type to send (otherwise it will ask the user which to send)
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Okay, so maybe then the amount they've put in would be handled via cloud vars? I've messed with cloudvars once (terribly). Is there a way to ensure that the users can only read their cloudvar value, and only the bot could write that cloudvar value?
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if not it'd have to be a whole backend, which is usually messier
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YES but... there is a time delay as far as i know
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I would read in that very closely, because you can screw up a lot with that delay
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the only way that seams to be safe is if you host that world and its the only instance that can be created and the only thing that can change this value
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and you are aware of this
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Yes you can make cloudvars be effectively read-only, owned by the bot account and the bot account can manage it
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Cloudvars do get cached and can take up to 5 minutes to update
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This means... if your world crashes, you have to plan for a considerable delay until you use the old data, you have to be aware and you can only have a single instance running
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multiple updating each others values will not work as expected
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So yea, limitations. Fun.
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But as far as i know, the cloudvars are 5 minute update max between 2 online instances
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meaning, if you have 2 world instances open, it can take 5 minutes for values changed by the other changed to that value
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But if you have a single instance and you had non open anymore, and start it again, the data should be on point
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you have to test that to make sure
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the delay here isn't that the server doesn't know, its caching of the already intitialized instance
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requesting every cloud variable every tick from the server, would inflict massive traffic loads
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Maybe players could open up a private instance of the world, and then ingame request for a bot to join so that the match can run.
Is there a way for bots to join a private instance with some kind of key?
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As said, i would advice against doing private instances for multiple reasons
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One is the cloud variables that may not be syncronized between all instances in realtime, others is that it makes hacking it easier if you have your private instance that you can work against for hours and days
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I would plan for a single, public instance, using cloud variables to make sure a crash doesn't lead to a loss of data/money
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And let logix handle the current virtual money as world variable
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(triggering update to cloud variable on every change)
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I am so glad you all understand this
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Sorry about spaming the channel. I am sure you find a good solution Hola. Everything with a bot-client that needs to join, private instances and handling of NCR-calls for every single game... i would simply not attempt
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Thats all no-no's
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Good luck
- 26 August 2023 (11 messages)
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The bot account could be made to interact with cloud vars without being in the world, same for receiving/sending tokens. Shouldn't be required for a bot to exist in the world.
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I'd suggest holding onto that idea until a new client is released. Imagine PvP shooter could be developed with Unreal Engine with some kind of NCR rewards.
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I will awooo when I want to :p -
That's why I Mewoo
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Awoo
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Nope
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No awoo allowed
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Ohh. 666 members currently
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- 28 August 2023 (16 messages)
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7?
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Ok then
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what the hell
- 29 August 2023 (29 messages)
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2
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Wow, the heck?
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Someone win jackpot on slots?
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No way, sadly it’s Bradley
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:3
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bradley Real??
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Dang no stickers allowed in this chat
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1984
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No emotion allowed
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I don't know much about stickers, but the inability to post media here made it hard to realize things were being made on the system. I thought stuff was still limited to just the trailer
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I mean, links can be still sent I guess https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dO67qRfP4Yk/WOVAmOUyJII/AAAAAAABvso/WKsmlOJxseMIO0ebbrjiy9lnHD7TywCigCLcB/s1600/funny-cat-253-01.jpg
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If people can share links, how come product links aren't shared here? Is it due to a lack of interest?
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What product other than Neos and NCR would one be putting in here anyways?
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project* sorry
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Ahhhhh
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Yeah. It appears that this telegram chat is centered around NCR specifically. For more community-centric stuff you would be better suited getting involved in the discord.
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Couldn't people here help fund the community's projects? It'd be such an improvement to everything and give more power to NCR
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So...about that.
The majority of people interested in community projects and events seem uninterested in NCR from my experience.
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