Still would rather have Cooper's planet and stake

Also here's a bump for those who cared about Neos and its community

https://www.patreon.com/Resonite

Will Resonite have stake?

I don't know how much you know about all of this, but that's likely a big no

Only a little. Never heard of Resonite until now

you havent been keeping up, its Unreal that Neos is supposed to move to

The whole reason why the dev team quit and Froox left is because of Karel's Crypto bs

No one has

Wrong.

Source?

;3

Source is two years of bullshit drama for those of us involved.

Of which Karel's tried doubling down on his crypto scheme and the devs + Froox wanted nothing to do with it

One of the big differences that Froox and Karel had was surrounding crypto. The crypto stuff was mainly Karel's vision if I understand correctly.

I'll quote Froox again: "Neos would have died without NCR"

However, it has now died with NCR as the reason

Things can change

Will Resonite accept Eth for funding? All projects leaving Neos?

No. Froox was on board eith crypto. It was personal relationship issues. It was when they had a disagreement and wanted Karel gone that Froox and others threatened to gut NCR as a way to try to push Karel out

You have no idea about anything do you?

It sounds like you don't know the real reason things happened

Of course thats the revises history furries will tell thenselves. But the truth is much more complicated. NCR didn't cause the drama. NCR has been arouns since 2018.

No One Knows The Real Reason Because There Is Incentive To Lie From Liars Who Caused This Conflict

It was Karel's support of NCR that was the issue, nothing personal

Not likely unless individual creators accept eth.

As mentioned before, most projects were a community effort or individual effort. Some commissions here and there but those were mainly handled by services like paypal.

I just know Neos Discord had projects, but also there was to be many viewers. Now Unity wants money and client is dead.

I know far more than you I can already tell

Neos was never Unity either
It was Froox's engine with a few Unity things underneath

Again no it wasn't. You've been brainwormed by all the noise. People wanted to make it about crypto when the whole thing was always Karel vs Froox and their friendship falling out.

It uses Unity's rendering and a few other things, but it wasn't Unity

But not fully not Unity yet? So CEO have to pay Unity?

Unity's rendering equal unity idk what u mean

NCR was never the issue.

guess I get to say a rare THANK YOU to you

The issue was the team felt Karol was making unilateral decisions that negatively affected the platform and all of their work. They were very clear about that.

You do realize you were the one "brainwormed" by Karel, right?

It was crypto, he was a hard-headed supporter of it

They wanted crypto out, he wouldn't budge, if he didn't quit they quit themselves

These projects were, to my knowledge, mainly volunteer. Creative works of passion

NCR was in Neos since 2018.

They were working on removing all aspects of unity and making it fully custom

And?

How'd that turn out

But unity team just left and didn't give source code. So unity client still using Unity and cannot be fixed to not use unity?

It's not unity

It's FrooxEngine

Karel and his team will have to fully rewrite Neos from scratch

I dont have time to waste on you so if you want to believe the issues was Froox was like "crypto is icky but we cant remove it because karel" then fine believe that despite NCR being a part of funding Neos servers since 2018.

Neos is a bit weird. The majority of the backend is a custom C# engine, it just uses the rendering engine from Unity.

Right, so CEO have to pay unity because client still not not using Unity?

"NCR has become an issue and crashed, we can't have it as a mainline feature if we want to progress"

Karel wanted it built into Neos

Froox said it could be a third party addon

Karel didn't budge

Here we are today

Most likely no because it's not actually unity

Just a few pieces of the open source code of unity

Honestly no one can give a clear answer on that one right now. Unity has not been great with their clarifications.

Very sad day.

The best day for the true fans of Neos

More specifically tomorrow but still

I'm honestly just relieved something happened.

I can finally pick up the projects I've been waiting for Resonite for again

thats not how it went. Im sure Karel wanted NCR being more a central focus for Neos, but the reason Froox said he wanted NCR third party was because Karel managed that part of Neos and it was a very poor proposal to get him to leave. But that was AFTER the issues. Not the reason for them.

Like, concretely something happened. Not us wildly speculating in circles.

That's pretty new and I am here for it :P

I mean this was always going to be the outcome, right?

I assume resonite will mostly be the same code

Froox took his engine and is most likely using it in Resonite

It'll probably have the new rendering engine to replace the unity one that's been in development the past 2 years

Resonite will have the same feel as Neos, where Neos will have to be rebuilt and (probably) feel different

I really enjoyed the feel of grabbing items, locomotion, and working on modifying stuff in Neos and imo executed it perfectly

Good luck trying to remake that Karel lol

Well I hope its good. I have mixed feelings of wanting to be hopefuo but also alot of emotional baggage due to the way the community has treated me and the widespread misunderstanding of the entire situation

but I think itll be successful

As long as Karel and Crypto are out of the picture, it should be

A CEO and dev team that actually cares about the game and its community

Im hoping they both find some traction tbh. If they are sharing similar codebases that actually bodes super well for eventually maybe having a coalition to standardisé object representation.

It's funny that NCR sponsored the development of FrooxEngine, and then Froox left and created another platform using FrooxEngine itself

Thats what I was hoping, I guess thats what Karel hopes as he's saying be believes in "multiple clients"

Neos won't be the same codebase for long if they plan on actually updating it

and in the end we are treated like the problem when we actually liked our NCR as a feature and paid money to support the game

so I should hold off on buying NCR since users leaving?

Wasn't NCR like a 1:1 ratio with a currency for a while though?

Then it became unstable when a lot of cryptobros came in and bought some

If you don't have much money in NCR, abandon it and don't look back

If you have a lot, fight Karel for your money back

No. You don't know anything about this.

It doesn't have to be. Object representation is a data structure. Basically if this is the case they would share assumptions on how to represent an object. Having two ecosystems that use similar object representations is not a bad thing at all if you want an end goal of being able to just grab an asset that will just work when imported.

All I know is I still have a ton of cdft still in my Neos account

Because I used NCR for more storage, not as a crypto cashgrab

NCR was not a "Stablecoin". I guess you've been reading the drivel Geenz wrote about it that it should be dollar backed (as if they have thr money to run a reserve). NCR was set as a sliding scale to reward early funders.

I haven't read anything about it, I literally just paid for a few months on patreon for more server storage space lmao

its supposed to get converted into NCR at some point

Shrug
It’s stayed the same amount for the past two years.

It was a 1:1 conversion of some sort based on patreon tiers so that's all I know

Sauce isn't finished yet. Geenz has a discord for it that's public if you want to know more

What is Sauce? It go with Stake?

👀

Think he has the link in his Bio

they can maybe view the same worlds abd objects but I dont know how inventory would work between the two. Who pays for storying player X's inventory? Neos or Resonite?

does that make sense?

Complicated

Right now Neos is Neos

Resonite (most likely) will support the same format as an account backup conversion
But I heavily doubt they'll scrape the Neos servers for anything, so Resonite will be their own server structure

Neos to Resonite porting will just be those who downloaded their Neos account and uploaded it with a tool to Resonite
(Whether it be official or community made)

Oh I wasn't thinking full on federation, just standardizing the game engine representation. Like VRM, but with rich engine integration.

I have a friend that looked at the data the Neos downloaded tool saved and was thinking on making a viewer for it, so it shouldn't be too hard to port over

It'll just probably be a manual process by users for legal reasons

(like how VRChat basically owns everything you upload, Karel/Neos may have or implement something like that)

Oh, I misunderstood then

that me being too optimistic

There's a chance someone will make a Neos scraper but it won't be official

Plus it'd be encrypted

no I was referring to what the other was saying

I think its Karel vaguely implying Neos will have multiple "viewers" I guess

But honestly I think thats just cope

Karel sees Neos as the Metaverse to end all Metaverses

And to a degree he's not wrong, Neos did things other platforms couldn't come close to doing yet

But now it's just wishful thinking as he tries to form a development team that can recreate the magic spark that Neos was

And Resonite will live on with that spark with a team motivated to make the spark burn brighter

Neos will probably gain more of a team working for a paycheck, rather than the spark Froox and the team had

Perhaps this is the last time Frooxius and the old Neos team will kill off NCR. The final blow to end NCR's existence. Can Karel resurrect NCR or is it just a theatrical act to abandon everything? It's worrisome.

What do you mean, the YDMS team was already no longer affiliated wth Karel

all that changed is that YDMS is now announcing their own project

This is doubtful

There were still some team members officially with Neos that quit today

That weren't part of YDMS (yet)

There were not

Karel just listed them on the foundation page without their consent

This has been known

Old neos team wanted out, and so they left. They did their due diligence of maintaining servers in the meantime and letting the community know they quit. How is that theatrical?

That Ship Has Sailed

The Period To Captialize On Metaverse Hype Has Ended

he means if Karel is doing theatrics or not

metaverse is real

The Height Of Its Attention Has Passed

This Squabble Likely Annihilated A Golden Goose Opportunity Out Of Pure Greed

The metaverse "hype" came after neos not before.

The "Hype" actually was heavily detrimental to neos and all other projects that were actually metaverses.

Mainly due to the heavy overuse and dilution of the term to the point where businesses called their own online stores "X Metaverse"

The only upside was uninformed investors throwing absurd amounts of money at things they didnt understand

The only way NCRs death could have been avoided was by stifling the effects of greed. There was seemingly no attempt to do so.

What does twitter have to do with this? /s

No the way would have been if two years ago the devs just said "look, NCR is a part of the game. We won't make it a focus of our game at all, but we won't betray those of you who funded us by removing it"

The only way it could have been avoided is having made it a stable coin in the first place so it would have been fit for a marketplace setting and not bound to speculartion

Ok how would you do that?

Exactly.

Ok how do you peg it to a stable value?

How would you make a stable coin?

Are you asking us... How to make a stablecoin?

by basically acting as a bank?

So like where does Neos get this money to peg NCR to the dollar?

The same way USDT work and other stable coins

1$ = 1 Coin

Where does neos get the money to value it at 10 bucks per coin?

By people buying the intermediate ingame currency

if no one has NCR you need no $ to back it

Or are you about to tell me that the value gets magiced out of thin air when the price can fluctuate?

if 1 person has 1 NCR youd need 1$ to back it

you guys understand that tether has massive reserved tat give it that value. And the whole fundraising scheme doesnt work if you offer no benefit to the funders. Right?

The benefit was the game?

Wasn't that the entire starting point?

The moment you pull in people that don't care about the game, you destabilize the games worth

The benefit was the software not Capitalistic gains

Anyone just n it for short term profit is already not a good fit anyway

It's a coin supposed to be designed for utility not a speculative asset

Your solution is for Neos to become a bank for no reason, to do fundraising that no one would want to fund... and that doesnt even fund the game or development at all... lol

you guys understsnding of this stuff is bunk

also my connection to telegramm is terrible right now sheesh

If the game wasn't valuable enough to fund on its own, would there ever have been an NCR?

Cuz NCRs worth came from somewhere

stabil coins make sense for trading platforms and defi etc.

NCRs worth is the belief in the game

but now there is no game

its funding early hoping the game will aucceed so youll have more purchasing power when the game has stuff to buy and events to go to

So why did it need to pull in people that did not care about the game?

So, a trading currency

if it was a pegged stabil coin, none of the money it raised would go to the devs. It would sit in a bank to keep the price pegged.

just shut up. Its whatever you want it to be. Before it was like peanuts. We gave them to people as thanks. Or put it up as stakes in cardgames and stuff.

If we wanted to pull it out and trade it, we could. Thats our right. Theres nothingwrong with that.

and there's nothing wrong eith early NCR buyers getting rewarded.

That's not what I'm saying either

This is why we do transaction fees as this way a % of the money transferred can go to supporting the system naturally.

On top of this patreon didnt do 1:1 so still would benefit the devs

just admit you hate that some people you didnt like came in and bought NCR

I'm saying if it's supposed to be utility, it should be utility

Increased potentially capitalistic gain is not a reason to build your currency contrary to its util. NCRs util was supposed to be market and interperson monetary exchanges, for this you need stability not speculation

Is it utility or is it not?

then how would it be stabile? and why would anyone with a brain put money into it? and wpuld patreon be able to give it out when it costs them money?

Yeah its utility and functions. It functions ingame.

Why would anyone with a brain put money into something that could be worth 10 bucks, and then 30 cents a year later?

you guys just hate the concept of something raising in value is the issue.

How does a transaction fee make it not stable? And patreon wouldn’t gif you more ncr than you paid

why would they put money into something worth 30 cent and then 10 bucks later? Because they believed in Neos

We hate the concept of value dropping through the floorboards in short spans of time

Basically if NCR was a stable coin and you support on patreon for EX 50$
and we assume a 50% conversion rate then youd get 25NCR and the team gets 25$ as raw funds (this is ignoring tax etc for simplicity )

This.

that happened because froox's devs said they might remove NCR, and thr people holding it saw that and sensed danger.

this makes no sense. So its like a rebate for patreon. And all the regulation needed to operate a bank which I doubt Patreon allows

Stable coins actually aren’t as heavily watched as non stable coins which is why meta didn’t go with speculative

meta?

Facebook

Meta tried to make a stabilecoin but was blocked

They originally wanted a speculative coin

This Is Not The Hype I Am Referring To And You Mistake The Efforts Meta Used For Their Metaverse Project As The Actual Building Market Captial For Metaverses And Metaverse Projects

The Deflation Of The Term Was A Consequence Of Corporate Greed

Wasn't the value going down before that?

but the reason you do a stabile coin is so you can operate a fractional reserve and then use those funds and buy a basket of financial products and try to profit off the difference... like what every bank does.

This Is My Perception Too

Yup capitalism in a Nutshell

No One Is Safe From Greed Under This System, As We Can See With Neos

NCR wouldnt work as a stabilcoin. First of all it just wouldn't even do the function of its birth: help fund Neos

The reason you use stable coins for a marketplace is because a speculative currency will derail the buying and selling of goods. It is actively deterimental design

NCR was set up just fine. There was no flaw in its implimentation. The only flaw is thst speculative asset is a dirty word to you. And that stems from your political beliefs.

regular currencies arent pegged to anything either and as someone with family in argentina, I can tell you that fiat curencies are not actually stabile.

You yourself said that NCR not being a stablecoin allowed early adopters to increase buying power.

They're not completely stable, but it's better than completely unstable

and I use crypto all the damn time to purchase stuff despite its fluxuating value. For those of us who do its not difficult to navigate and has benefits.

That’s a pretty cop out answer. What does the obvious implosion of speculative systems to do with politics and explain how a speculative baseline market currency isn’t a high risk implementation. I mean just imagine you buy grain and the next day grain is actually a lot less expensive , it turns commodity into stock forces, it’s not a good thing

"NCR is perfect"
no system is perfect...

well sure. I guess NCR is still more valuable than it was when I first got it. Not that I have much of it now.

i like crypto, but flaws

we cant ignore flaws

ncr had internal wallet
why is that better? crypto open, that was a black box

so Neos NCR was like a bank?

its not a copout answer, its just thst... this notion that you can "control" the value of everything is flawed.

usd doesn't go up and down 100 dollars in 1 day

crypto does

that's why people don't like it

its good technology, but used badly

you should check out the turkish lira and Argentina peso

relied on too hard in bad senarios its not meant for

Works perfectly fine for other stable coins so please do explain why it wouldnt work here and how a speculatve baselne is better for a communities interpersonal trade

crypto should not be volatile like poor country money

but it is

that is issue

Stability is one of the most important things when it comes to a markets currency

tech is good, used badly a lot, i want crypto to succeed,, but it can't do that

And that's why users stopped liking? Because stability was lost?

the fact is, NCR gives users thr freedom to determine its value themselves. thats how its SUPPOSED to be. Theres no authority saying what its value is, no oil, no threat of bloodshed... But thats not good to people who have grown up gaslit into thinking fiat is clean or who have never had to conduct purchases across boarders before.

Its a complex issue, anyone claiming to be able to give you a simple answer is either lying or heavily polarized

This has nothing to do with Fiat or Crypto, this is purely about stable VS speculative.

Youve also yet to explain WHY speculative is better other than vaguely doomsayng about authority and bloodshed

What you tie it to in value is not relevant what matters is stability

no authority, no stability

the real pill people dont want to swallow is that in truth, crypto currencies are a more honest form of money. Their value is what someone is willing to pay for it. And thats NCR and there's nothing wrong eith that.

The whole point of a currency for the metaverse is for it to not be tied to all this bullshit or any one government's currency or situation.

and look where it goes 99% of the time

its a good idea

i like it

but

it goes wrong 99% of the time

its just sad

what you all really want is manipulation. Various layers of obstraction to give something "value"

assuming

Wait are you argung that currency itself should be a deregulated market of its own?

Because at that point... we can just go back to trading goods for goods and cut out the middle man if theres no value we can agree on socially

you said it yourself, "no authority no stability". Authority is the opposite of what crypto is about.

then it unstable

and I think thats fine. others dont.

not useful for many people

thats issue

if many people want to use it, it need be what many people want

otherwise it stay small, niche, scammy

,etc.,

all currencies themselves ARE that. theyre markets and theyre traded against each other. And if a country doesn't produce trade, its currency falls accordingly, like if Neos is early and doesnt have many events, products, services to buy, NCR is priced low.

It's fine if you believe that but im coming more from a utilitarian viewpoint.

When i make a currency i want it to be best working for its purpose of exchanging goods for it, for this purpose it needs to have an agreed upon value, which ideally we can pin to something already agreed on thats relatively stable.

This way whent he baker sells bread and buys milk, that is a transaction that is mostly repeatable in value which is positive since people will roughly be able to know what is worth how much and agree what it should be traded for

I use crypto all the time to pay for legitimate things. My gf cant get hrt unless I pay for it that way.

I think people here would rather me tell her sorry I think I'll be a simp for fiat currencies because ummm... theyre like. stabile for some reason lol

Yes currencies are that, but we generally universally agree instability is bad which is why we try to stabilize the value

Web Telegramm is dying for me swapping to phone sadly

what are you gonna pin it to? Oil? how many guns you have? Or some other manipulation?

its that everyone here's concept of mpney is that its this thing theyve never thought about enough before. For most of us its something that 'just werks'.

Whatever is best fit for purpose I don’t care what exactly you pin it to, what matters is that it is something that is stable

Money is a necessary evil

We benefit from understanding how to limit its Damage

you said I'M the one to cop out

Where did I cop out?

youre just like I dunno we'll pin it to ???? and make it stabile!

Stabile?? Stable?

Guys, god came down feom heaven and told me he intended NCR to be $1.25

Ive already given the dollar as a precious example, the idea is equal regardless what you pin it to

Previous*

Kinda like Linden?

That’s one example yeah

UsdT is one too

Aren't Linden dollars stable because managed, but can still be adjusted by market?

We already discussed how using USDT wouldn't really work though. Atleast it sure as hell wouldn't fund Neos

yeah, its centralized and managed. Which is what everyone here seems to want: a centealized metaverse with many walled gardens

And I’ve already mentioned you can still gain revenue through offering a stable coin through different means including fees and patreon

But projects seemed to pull from everywhere. How is it centralized wall garden?

It’s ok if you prefer unregula
Ting currency but claiming regulated variants are impossible is silly

I never said its impossible

No the idea is that you could freely transfer data between instances (different platforms) thanks to open standards

ok so Id like to withdraw my lindens into Neos

„Can’t find neos“ sounds iLife it, but thanks for clarifying

Ideally you would be able to yeah

It hasn’t been done yet we are still needing to build the open standards etc

Will Linden dollar be on Neos and Resonite?

well I dare to belief you see blockchain as the backend behind one of those standards

Doubtful

for me its the only real solution

do you think LL would let you do that shit? For all the huffing Rosedale does about building a better metaverse, he would never give up cpntrol like that

the secret desire of all of them is control. Its intoxicating and for LL theyre addicted to it

Who is Rosedale?

and many Neos devs grew up on SL and can't fathom systems beyond it and really just want to be the next SL

LL founder

Rosedale Philip?

Wiki say he CEO of new company with blockchain

That’s not really accurate SL and Neos are fundamentally different

well what do I know

but blockchain is freedom, so why use if want control?

sort of, in that Neos lets you self host but its still mostly centralized and their theory on how to run a Neos store was entirely just "lets do secondlife market"

This is wrong

well what do I know

There were ideas to be able to purchase things on world similar to how we have a tipjar mechanic

Along with a more traditional interface

But SL didn’t invent the store page

Also the neos account system is centralized but you can use neos without it

ive listened to them plenty talk about it, but its clear there are no concrete plans, but it always seems to come back to this belief that SL's market is the height of ambition

its account system and also its development. If trying to get rid of one guy can kill a game then thats pretty damn centralized

imo, I think accounts should be decentralized too

Ive Never heard anyone claim that, SL is simply a decent baseline that clearly works and has stood the test of time, doesn’t mean it’s perfect doesn’t mean it couldn’t use further iteration, but it clearly it has good parts to pull from

What about the CDN

Telegramm web seems to have stabilized nice

i mean sure, I guess that aligns with my beliefs if it could be on IPFS at some point

I think maybe its too early for many of this stuff though

Brough to its end point that would just be Peer2Peer

something we used to do back in the day

It's not really anything revolutionary

It does also have its own obvious downsides

not really, since if I'm offline you could still see my content

Only if it is cached, otherwise you need some place to centralize that content

IPFS I thought thats what even some here were excited about or liked the idea of

even having multiple choices for a content host isnt decentralization really since your content is still centralized n that one CDN the only way to be truly decentralized is seeding the content yourself from local

What does a financing company have to do with this?

I kid. Yeah possibility but would also require a ton of redundancy leading to heavy amounts of data space waste

were talking more early concepts I think

but generally i believe thats the path worth going down

or least optional ways of doing things

You WILL need tons of redundancy theres just no other way to ensure content delivery

this isnt even like a tech issue

thats just a basic prinicpal

If i send a picture of myself physically to 1 location if the location is destroyed its gone

if i send it to 5 its more liekly to survive

the only way to ensure permanent uptime is to replicate onto nearly every machine

otherwise you run into thermodynamcs basically

and even then thermodynamcs will eventually catch up anyway

Heat death of data

yeah thats why decentralized file storage is cool

It's definitely a neat concept

And im defnitely not against it, torrents are one of the best Filetransfer methods

The main issue is, replication cant be on inf machines otherwise theres too much data, so you need to prioritize data, step 1 is to prioritize based on access, every unique access causes replication to occur adding a new node.

This however also brings the issue of not everything being preserved as some nodes die before propagating

It defnitely lessens the issue of ex a central host dying though

I dont think its too much data right now

do you mean just neos or like, all of data in existance?

because i was talking more general

and even neos alone thats still a few terrabytes

for neos thats not too bad, for all data in existence... I dont know if ipfs or similar is THAT cool that we need all of humanity on it

Data storage requirements will always increase over time and even more so with more users

also on the last part, personally it would be ideal i am big on data archival

something I care deeply about too

It's also why im largely in favor of video game piracy since companies have proven they will make no effort to archive and make accisible their game data beyond point of sale

Seeing lots of unread messages and hoping that it was something interesting

Yes

And then lots of basic talk about coin

and data!

Sharkmare and orc should kiss. The tension is thiccc.

Cant spell currency without thicc

Karel @malooniac Why don't you guys say anything about what's going on?

Karel and andrea generally operate around Czech buisness hours and most of the time check in around mid day

It's already Czech business hours right now

That said, i dont really see what there is to say, theyve already seperated from the old neos team for a while now

thats where the mid day comes in

which it is almost

has anyone built a slimevr?

Yes

do all the IMUs need to be the same type?

No

which ones are the most important?

as in position on body

It's generally preferred to have the IMUs with higher accuracy closer to the HMD since each SlimeVR tracker's accuracy is reliant on the ones above it

If the IMU in the tracker on your foot is cheap then your foot will likely drift more, but if the one in your chest/hip tracker is cheap then your entire lower body will be less accurate

https://x.com/orange_3134/status/1705032414580642287?s=46&t=-w6adgEQ4CCsDL5Bmz4ldA

ok thats an important detail.. thanks

Im still picking out imus and weighing the costs and benefits

For most setups you should be able to reassign any tracker to any position on the body supported by the server software

I could see myself just living with bad tracking and not even knowing I was doing it wrong

Hello, Mr Karel! I would like to ask you, when the Neos Metaverse VR Software is shutdown, may I have the neos.com domain name? I think it is a cool domain name and be rest assured that I will put it to good use. I can kindly provide you with my e-mail address in a private message. Thank you and have a nice day sir!

Japan 🇯🇵 TG?

Oh cool. Now that the trash has been removed from the neos discord can i get unbanned from there? Was never i valid reason given and i never broke tos or server rules.

"never a valid reason" lol

Nope never was given one.

I mean its not hard to make new discord accounts but id just rather ask.

Hello

Nyello

Hey there

How ya doin?

there is no neos discord linked to this

The telegram was alwaya a seperate community apperantly

or karel said that the discord was "unofficial"

(I think)

Yea

funny as Karel made their discord acount at same time as neosvr discord server join

This is technically the only official place besides twitter

honestly I might leave this telegram group after today

Same, going to go to the community made telegram channel only after this

Ah ok so it was never truly a valid thing to follow then. That discord i mean. Ty

Well it was the official discord till it wasnt?

Now this is the official telegram

I mean if everything that was wrong with neosvr left then i might stick around :3

There are still tickets and such. Its not full anarchy

Yet atleast

Thats fine long as the bad apples are gone thats good enough for me.

You can shoot your shot but i dont think youll hit

You too :3

It will likely be a desolate wasteland.

So no different than chilloutvr then?

I mean literally empty. CVR still has players.

Yeah they do hehe. Very private aswell.

helios 🗿

Its the cat

moww

How is

Prebby cat :0

Meow

"This is the official Discord of NeosVR the Unity Client" -Karel

All the cats!

Lol

Meows louder

Meow!

it used to be official but since Froox ran it after the split it was then unofficial since officially Karel is in charge now of Solirax and the Neos brand

This quote from Karel is within the past month

yeah he back tracked on the unofficial thing.

^

He didnt really

It's an optics game

hes basically trying to say that this here is MORE than what it WAS
while we currently dont have anything

Which i do wish hm the best in like makng something but, weve been waiting for years

People arent going to wait forever on his multiclient crypto ecosystem

People are aware that situations change...right? The sun rises and sets. If at one point i say its a wonderful day...then someone quotes me in the middle of the night... "Actually...its night lol" just sayin.

Nothing has changed here just the wording, even if this empty platitude is true it is not applicable in this case

Sadly not

Oh? Whys that?

Veer left as head mod right?

Yep, all the good people gone

the moderation team still exists, the staff exodus doesn't mean bans will be reversed

Oh thats fine. Didn't expect a reversal. But hopefully less biased and...fair appeal.

to the contrary

Most offenders will claim that what they did was no big deal or the leadership is biased.

I wasn't going to say it but pretty much that ^

It's especially clear that its the case with the vitriol you constantly harp on it

However, I still think moderation failed in at least one case. Acting on fabricated evidence instead of being able to properly investigate

I'll take "playing the victim" for 500

Idk bout that. I was asked for photograpic proof of wrongdoing. Gave such and was banned for providing it lol

yeah, it was proven being fabricated

Pretty sure its not

that's your definition

I'd normally give the benefit of the doubt but, this isnt the first time rabbit has gone off on this route, theyve done it again and again and its getting tiring when someone this clearly does not see their own issues, i mean hell man is in the very same breadth as complaining about being banned calling the entire dev team pedos.

If youre gonna do this schtick you at least gotta be good at grabbing for sympathy

careful, you might be the next target of trying to ban you from some platform

Like im sorry but im not gonna play into this kinda charade rabbit

Lol thanks for. Telling me your targeting me

not really, it's you coming here with this stuff. I wouldn't have said anything if it wasn't for trying to lie into this

The other person involved is still paying the price for your absurdity.

Your actions don't only affect you alone

Who?

You know who, don't play the victim here

Not a victim thanks :3

yes, indeed, you got what you deserve

Oh? And im sure the child molesters and blackmailers who were banned were innocent 😇

I've seen my fair share of wild stuff running and moderating different communities and this ones still one of the wilder ones. mainly because you just arent good at this game of acting like you were wronged, your vitriol is incedibly obvious and most people absolutely can immediately see through it but are too nice to say anything about it.

No one is fooled by it why dont you just move on and do something productive with your existance other than whining about you messing up and getting yourself banned.

Long car ride. Time to fill.

Home now tho stuff to do

Enjoy neos :3

Maybe that time should be spent in self-reflection, instead of using the demise of Neos to your advantage.

It's like "i was wrongfully banned and to prove it im going to constantly spread slandeerous accusations about people which shows how innocent i am and clearly makes me in any way likely to be ever unbanned"

You know you messed up.
You know you wont be unbanned.
You just want to hurt those that rightfully sanctioned you.

Do something productive

Misspelled speaking the truth openly

It would be a million times more effective if your grift was crying about freedom of speech, that is how transparent this is

And heres also the thing, you ARENT hurting anyone else, no one is taking your diatribe seriously because they see through, you are only hurting YOURSELF.

Anyone who could possibly be your friend or positively interact with you is going to be pushed away by your weird fixation.

You are not doing yourself any favors

Who said iwanted to hurt anyone? Sounds like you have issues with something.

you have issues

Only human after all :3

Actually this is a good place to leave this because anyone can just read your message history and see why thats just speaking for itself

humans don't have *those* issues

What issues are those you imply? :3

like destroying people who wronged you in the past

Oh? And when have i done that?

I mena beyond that its also incredibly obvious that all the nonce talk is just projection. It's a very clear hyperfixation

Was this first hand experience? Or was this hearsay?

as if you don't already know

I do hope that one day you get the professional help you need to lead a more fuller life though

Y'all are heavily speaking in rhetorical questions and none of us currently have any abilities to change the current situation so you may as well just cease this circular dance of question marks

Not sure what you mean. Do you have proof of wrongdoing?

I guess if I dig through the social networks, I can find a dozen of incidents like this

There's probably some services in your country that can assist your state. I do suggest seeking them out as that is always the best option.

Oh im just saying if anyone had real tangible proof of wrongdoing on my end...wouldnt i be in jail or something?

Yeah this is dragging out a bit long…

Hehe. Again just bluster and no content

Personally leaving it there because i know socks loves to just drag this out ad infinittum ye

afaik those wrongdoings are things that are only made into a case on request of those, who had been wronged

Convenient

isn't it?

So no proof? Have fun with that.

Y'all just gotta accept they're gonna have the last word no matter what. Sometimes it's just not worth it to entertain them.

Actually there has been proof, that you provided yourself to the moderation team and you've been banned. What's more proof needed than that?

Im minorly certain that we wont be getting any message form andrea or karel today with how late it is, and staruday and sunday are unlikely too. hopefullly we'll have some info on monday

Really, stop feeding the trolls

That's what they say

Proof of a person grooming a minor in private worlds that resulted in a permanant public ban? Indeed that was proof i provided.

Anyway as shark said i should do something else so have fun all nice chat.

Thom theres nothing gained just ignorre hes just going to drag this on repeating the same stuff ad infinitum, screaming into a void while nothing will ever change for him

Yeah, was obviously fabricated evidence, when shortly banned from the platform

And I guess that concludes it

You could have done a Ban appeal at the moderation site, instead you choose to constantly be public in here about it, which wont help at all.

It just makes more people aware about what happened the more you start talking about it. It might be better to just move on and never talk about anything like that ever again

this discussion was very disappointing to sit through

Someone is worried about me speaking out. :3

In other words you want me silenced or you will make sure to spread slander about me and attempt to follow me around online to ban me from anyplace you can thomas? Seems abit obsessive ^^ but you do you

So I wonder if the whole backup assistant thing can like, back up worlds.

I’m proud of the couple hang out, and the game world I helped write for.

It does automatically

Oh it does? Yay!

I found my home world as one of the JSON files

apparently theres an NCR corporation and their stock is up by 0,13 %

So far, to me, it looks like Trolling with what you are doing.

Huh, that’s interesting.

Not at all honestly. Just replying to messages directed at me

yeah randomly found them by searching NCR price XD

was gonna bring up actual NCRs price but, that was interesting in its own

Did ask for proof of the slander spoken of against me and so far see none so ill leave it there ;3

https://moderation.neos.com/