Resonite better

Why would you need an in game metamask when you have the desktop tab 🤣

They just wanted the buzzwords. I sware. The practicality or security of the solution was secondary to being able to say that it existed. It was a mentality that legitimately caused me psychic damage every time I encountered it.

Especially because I'm not hostile to the technology.

String some cubes on some dynamic bones call it a block chain kinda stuff 😆

this outcome sucks
Honestly I don't care about the interpersonal politics; karel vs froox, neos vs resonite, we should NOT care anymore - froox and the team is gone.

A working metaverse (under the neos/resonite spec) with an economy was super exciting, and seeing that vision "fall off" like this is depressing
I still have a bunch of NCR, but without a direct neos recovery plan I get the ud of fud - why have a coin if there isn't a future to it

Is there a future for NCR? Can we see it? a rough timeline, a wikipedia explanation of how the new neos client system is gonna work, how is this gonna be turned around

or just more regular updates i suppose, most people i've talked with in neos think the unreal engine client was faked, just a 20min asset drag n drop into ue5 - no underlaying "metaverse engine"
the coin currently has no utility, this needs to be fixed

I can't quite ignore that feeling, that there aren't any real devs at all. Like I get that you want to avoid harassment to the devs, but on the other hand, not showing at least one of the lead developers who can handle that would be very assuring, that something is coming in the future

It'd be even okay, if that developer would like to remain pseudonymous, at least uploading a youtube video with the developer talking about the project and the plans about the future would be very assuring

Ye it really feels like there is no dev team and no technical plans at all, just talk to keep up the value.
Would love to be proven wrong

Same, I'd love to be proven wrong and actually hear something from a developer

that way I'd know to keep my NCR for better times

My thoughts on that is either, The Dev wants nothing to do with the project in an official capacity and as such does not want to be mentioned or the Dev is just some dude hired from a site like fiverr.

Random dude from fiverr doesnt really add much confidence for me.

Ive gotten some decent work on fiverr but its definitely a mixed bag the main issue there is retaining talent is impossible really due to the gig system

Person who doesn't want to be associated with the project doesn't really either tho 😔

Yeah it would be something else if it was a one off job, but for something like this especially anything that touches finance you would want an actual hired dev team

Either way its definitely someone who probably does not care about any of this and is just waiting for an up front paycheck from karl

Or they dont exist 🤷‍♂️

That requires believing that karel was able to figure out the unreal editor

That said, do you know who all the developers are for VRChat? It's not *that* unusual. Especially how people get hounded by communities and ESPECIALLY after all the Neos fallout that there was.

VRChat isnt financial or investment platform tho, also no history of no dev progress at all and whole team leaving

Lots of things happen. Strange.

VRChat support stake?

Oh i absolutely do not expect to know every dev of every company, this is just a unique case because karel has constantly rallied and complained about pseudonyms and anonymity within companies, stating that everyone should use their real name and it should be publicly facing visible.
It would be odd for him to suddenly change his mind on this

It's something ive specifically talked about with him on twitter before

When there's such a community of hatred out there, I'd not be surprised if he's waiting a long while for that to all die down first.

Considerng my general experience with dev projects that seems like wishful thinking. Im p sure the ARK devs still get death threats to this day

The thing is, Neos was never meant to be either. NCR was meant to be a utility token for in-game use and purchases. The speculative price explosion is what ended up ruining it. Money who's value fluctuates wildly isn't effective as a usable currency.

some people really need professional help and a better productive outlet

Yup, the speculative aspect of NCR is the main issue with it since it effectively destroys its usability as a marketplace currency as products priced with it would widly fluctuate in value

Yeahhhh, I though it was a cool idea as an in game currency, but like a crypto that is mostly used as a speculative investment is not something that I wanted

Stable NCR would have been neat

Could as well be not a crypto tho, would most likely be wayy easier to develop as well

so if coin was more stable, people not be so mad and more creation get done? How come investor not use coin to pay others?

yeah it doesnt have to be a crypto coin, non crypto based systems for this work fine, main idea is to have a non money in between, which is what most sites do, Steam, most games etc

Yeh, platforms like SL basically work like that but its not crypto, its just some monopoly money that has in game use

if you use a non stable coin for its designed purpose you get a similiar effect to the ghetto issue where big corporations syphon money from a community but for different reasons

because as people cash out to pay their bills the currency weakens as that money does not re enter the "community"

which deflates the general wealth in that "community"

This is a force that also affects countries at scale such as japan when it comes to imports and exports etc

Idk about you but I was a KFC fan myself

KFC was fun i had a few trillion

Ye for sure I liked KFC more

can we call KFC a stable coin since its value was pinned to 0

It was valued whatever we wanted it to

In some cases, multiple manhours

So investors were like big corporations and only wanted, not give?

But then how do investors get value? If community cannot build because not given NCR for space, then no value for platform. Why did early investors not see that?

in this analogy investors would be the community who want to keep their money internal while workers are the "corporations" its morally not the same of course but the system of wealth reduction works similiarly

Exactly thats the problem, if you have a speculative currency it is designed against real use as real use would devalue it

Ergo paying people with it is not ideal as those people will need to pay bills etc which devalues it over time

Actually, real use would value it, especially if you can use that to pay for things in the game

Also it'd stabilize the value the more it is being used

The problem here is scale, this only works on large scales, in its build up stages this isnt really possible as it doesnt have the utility backing nor the actual community behind it, which just leads to people cashing out with no one to fill the gap

And thats not even mentioning the issue of someone directly manipulating the market through purchases and sells of the currency itself at early stages

I mean hell this is an issue that even japan was struggling with their currency

Japan ending up beholden to imports devalued their currency because their own protectionism internally wasnt strong enough which caused this

https://i.imgur.com/QTqaNxo.png

and thats a whole ass country

The majority of the people that funnelled in had no interest in the platform, hell they had no idea what it was, what it did or even who used it - nevermind paying any of us that were making content. They just saw "line goes up" so they put in money so that they could take it back out when "line had gone really high up". That was it. As soon as the line jumped up, a load of people took theirs back out, which made the line go down more, so more people took out, so the line went down more.

Annoyingly we (the people using the platform) were also told there would be buybacks at minting price when we wanted to cash out. That didn't appear to ever be true, though I'd love to be proven wrong there.

I even contacted Karel 18 months ago about that, but my message remains unread.

I think there were buybacks? I remember reading about them. They were contracts on blockchain and did very well

Alright well i think its time.

Karel I hope you enjoy your metaverse.

Every moment it loses content, now there is only one world open, soon there will be none.

you Have no code, no developers, no database. The team you drove out, that you demanded to end the strike as soon as a few days ago now have their competitor fully released.

Goodbye and if you keep running your business as well as you have here, im sure we will never hear of you again.

Oh and Orc you are the dumbest dude I have ever met, and that includes karel.

Throwing out insults won't change opinions. Let's try to be civil

Only for what seemed like a short period of time.

Maybe occuring for few months? Contracts sold out quickly. I don't know all details

I have not even heard of it happening

There were buybacks

Yup there were

Oh. The discord is locked? So no more creations?

Makes sense since theres no one left to moderate it etc

My only concern is, why did I lose my 4 NCR when I ported my data to resonite?

I had 4.4 NCR still

Now its gone lmao

Im still running NEOS because its running smooth on my machine compared to resonite right now.

NCR has been broke on neos for a while

Resonite drops frames, it looks goregous, but its not as optimized as id like right now.

Should be available on site which is why I pulled mine to my wallet just in case

I guess whoever replied to me got their message removed

I was going to respond with a screenshot but decided against it lol

Never submitted tho

I got a notification about someone mentioning me with the start "resonite is not neos it does not have NCR" which im just wondering why that mentioned me XD

Oh that was me too it was supposed to be in response to won but I realized they had a different issue xD sorry I'm stoned

Resonite s unrelated to this TG, Resonte has no plans to implement NFTs or Crypto currencies

we all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo

I'm super passionate about my NCR 🤣

Idk care if they implement them or not

Its a open development platform and a metamask faucet already works on it.

GGNORE

But that NCR, where did it go?

NCR ingame seizure?

https://ash.tips/20231008004554BLhcw.png

Mine looks to be there even though I imported to Resonite.

Hmm.. if you log into neos client your balance and cloud storage will be redlined

yeah, Lots of complaints about it in locked channel. So sad

Resonite doesn't import NCR, it's Neos only and stays there

The resonite team has no control over NCR. That is purely Karel's responsibility now - NCR functionality is only available and only will be available in Neos

Re: this - that's a question for Neos. Resonite doesn't touch NCR at all, it doesn't even have crypto code. It just copies content from the inventory and basic account info

They also had mods posting content and NCR hashtags on social media and facilitating NCR purchases via PayPal. When that is brought up, response is always that mods are some sort of pseudo-independent from them.

Basically if there's a convenience they can take, they will because the community is happy to play along in this ends-justify-means way. But never admit responsibility.

They behave like crooked politicians.

I mean the mods are volunteers just like i am a volunteer of the mentor team

I do not appreciate these kinds of comments, especially given that they lack objectivity and are instead driven by emotions and personal negativity.

Let me clarify something - Neos is not dead. Those who chose to leave NeosVR have every right to do so, and we are genuinely happy that they have found a platform where they feel comfortable. I haven't personally experienced Resonite, but it seems like a great effort.

As for us - we are working on solutions that are going to be better optimised for future usability, following the vision that has been outlined in the Whitepaper 1.10 and I am optimistic that many platforms can exist alongside. It’s good for everyone.

But I am genuinely puzzled as to why there is still a need to hold grudges and descend to insults. Do you see myself or Karel posting horrible comments on Resonite's Discord or harassing anyone from the previous team for that matter?

Despite that we have always said that we would wish to support NeosVR development and we have encouraged open sourcing, we have been continuously accused of incompetence, selfishness, scam and whatnot.

Let me clarify once again - we were (and still are) fully prepared to support NeosVR's development. We offered various incentives for open sourcing and collaboration to ensure that people wouldn't feel trapped in this unfortunate situation. Regrettably, some people seem more inclined to let Neos die out of pure spite.

I find it quite astonishing how much hatered this “loving community” can harbor. If this is what we have lost then I think we are better off without.

Regarding our progress, we are going steady and checking boxes. Staking is nearly ready, and we will be giving updates very soon. And we are always happy to engage with open-minded people who can approach discussions rationally.

While this is definitely true for you Andrea that you have done no such thing, Karel has in the past and recent history made remarks about the ex-Neos team many times and often very disparagingly and publicly.

I agree that insults and attacks are unwarranted but portraying this as a one-sided issue is not really fully truthful.

However i am looking forward to what yall release

The biggest problem neos has right now is no clear development of a platform. It's like many of those other currencies that had a promise of a platform with the metaverse boom and have been left with a significant hole for many who aren't here just for the crypto. I want to see a proper social platform where people can thrive and create the content of their dreams.

I just want stake. All big creators now left, and now only investors remain. Much sad.

You lost your... ENTIRE community though. And Karel DID often make terrible remarks towards the Neos development team.

NCR turned sour, and instead of listening to your playerbase and development team when they urged a pivot away because of inherent problems with the idea, Karel doubled down, even going as far as to threaten legal actions if his crypto demands weren't met.

Your remaining team drove itself to this point. Not the people upset about how you've basically destroyed the community, not the developers with well documented claims of not being properly managed or compensated, not those who begged to see the platform change course when NCR crashed and ruined many community members.

The fact that you once had a community of thousands, which has now dwindled to like... 6? Concurrent users? It's stark. And the fact you not only do not recognize you lost basically your most valuable asset, but have open scorn for the people who worked and created for hours and hours and days and days to make the platform as advanced and future-thinking as it was, completely exemplifies the problem.

Good luck bringing in any sort of new community; with no one there to work on FrooxEngine, and no momentum behind the things that made people enjoy the platform, you really will need it.

Basically all you have at this point is a dead coin. This is nothing more than many of the other crypto metaverse projects with an underdeveloped platform have; in some ways, it may be worse, because you have a tarnished name and a platform in limbo.

The new gamified mining thing you rolled out (developed in Unreal, I may add) also exemplifies how little you actually know about why Neos was promising to begin with. If you just turn yourself into a decentraland clone, maybe you'll have some financial success, possibly, but it won't be Neos anymore.

You don't have a platform anymore, you have a coin. You don't even have anyone who knows how FrooxEngine works, if you even have access to the FrooxEngine source code. And this would have been avoidable from your actions, not the actions of the community you have such a disdain for - the community that built EVERYTHING that could have been seen inside Neos. The ones who made ALL your content. And I think going forward you should probably just admit that.

Hello☺️ it sounds like you are very distressed and I’m very sorry that there isn’t anything that I can do or say at this point that would make it better. But I do wish you much happiness and quality time spent in whichever VR platform of your choice ☺️

Totally missing the point lol 🙏😭

You're right, there isn't, because you don't understand what the platform was supposed to be. Which is fine, you're business-oriented, but it was more than just an investment engine; without users, a platform doesn't have a future financially. That's what you risk when you go into business with a social platform.

It's not that we want to see it "die"; it's that if you don't find a way to bring in massive amounts of users that will create content and value to them provide worth to the platform, it's not a platform. That's just how it works. Unless you have a massive plan to make the platform have more users, or you pivot to something that isn't a platform, you're adrift and might as well be as good as dead.

Or even a small chunk. If they haven't figured out what a mess they're in yet, they never will. The only chunk of the team that the community trusted are gone. Nobody will ever trust them on their word if they don't follow through with anything.

It was always the saddest outcome to come to this; of course no one from the now-resonite, then-neos community wanted to upend everything and lose a large amount of legacy content and users in the migration. But the condescension towards the community that created monetary value for the platform and that were its biggest advocates, as well as further pushes for a coin that wasn't working out, overriding/hijacking the development roadmap along the way to make it basically just a vehicle for NCR and not much else? It just exemplifies why it was necessary.

I don't think many of them will understand even when the plug has to be pulled for good.

There's only two that we really know of

Dang. That's grim.

When I say they, I mean neos higher-ups

The devs that left already have and continue to follow through on a lot of what they say they're working on

Yeah. Resonite's Cloud Home exemplifies what they could have done all this time if they'd had the support and confidence they needed from the get to :(

But the UE announcement was hyped up as something massive, but we only have proof of it being a prototype. I've tried multiple times to get clarification on if it can even load assets on the fly, which is arguably the core of neos

I'm pretty sure it can't - it's wholly separate from the Neos platform, whatever it ends up being

If it's a metaverse client as they claim, it will need to

Wait, new project doesn't have ability to use creations from dead discord?

Probably because that would have put them in legal problems. You can't just sell something (e.g. a coin) then go "actually we're getting rid of it now". There are people in US federal jail for having done similar things.

Like Many Projects Managed By Furries Their Business Acumen Is Spotty At Best

The Optimal Way To Cope With This Is To Have No NCR Stake And Move On And Enjoy The New Product Without Interfacing With The Developers

Enjoy The Fruits Of Their Labor And Expect Very Little

A few days ago Karel and Andrea had the "Neos Team" role in the Discord server. But they didn't have Admin. But I noticed Former-Neos-now-Resonite team members with Admin.

Today the server has been set to read only, and all the existing moderators have had their roles stripped. Even Karel and Andrea no longer have Neos Team as a role. But some Former-Neos-now-Resonite team members still have Admin powers on the discord.

stop putting shit in people's mouth like a little creep. Trying to take out your rage against Karel on some person doing their best while vile little pricks like you come in, thinking nothing of other people's feelings, acting like a rabid little asshole and pretending creeps like you aren't largely responsible for the lack of nuance in communication between them and the community

Orc How Have You Been At This For This Long It Cant Be Good For Your Health

You could assume they're angry because they're still a bag holder.

I don't know who set it to read-only but if former Neos members did it, I think they're playing dirty, on one hand withholding source, which Karel seems to say was agreed to, withholding access to Steam access and now this. Maybe they don't just want to launch their own platform, they want to force-kill the old one.

Naw, I've never cared about NCR's price. I have like 200 of them and there's a good chance I got them before you ever waddled onto the platform

I explained earlier in detail my feelings on why Froox willfully trampled on a lot of people to benefit himself.

I've been a Neos player since September 2019

It Happened And They Won And That's The End Of The Story At Some Point You Have To Realize This Has Become Frivolous And There Is No Reason Left To Argue

well clearly they dont feel the fight is over, if theyre the ones locking the discord

Heck I got this picture sorted on my very first bread day. I happened to join in the Neos stream in September 2020 and managed to get Froox to shake hands with me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640736570047201281/1160456334848831518/friendshipendedvrchatnowneosismybestfriend.png

https://discord.com/channels/402159838827905024/402159839251398666/752703691844223077 Where I posted it on the discord

I don't really care. and you seem to care how much NCR I have. If you want to play some pitiful status game with me: F-ck you, I don't care.

same if you want to make assumptions about me: Fck you. I don't care.

Locking The Discord Closes The Gates And Forces Further Legal Action But They Will Be Able To Fund It With Resonite

Having Control Over The Code And The Brains Behind The Code Produces Checkmate

If they want to be this way, I 100% think legal action is the way

The Success Of Which Is Not Guaranteed

Locking the discord shouldn't really be an issue since it's "unofficial" as stated before

My amusement is guaranteed

If This Is How You Find Amusement Then Godspeed

It Begs The Question If Neos Was Ever Your Concern Over The Arguments You Could Have About It

I care. About Neos, my vision of a real metaverse, and about the people I feel got trampled on and forgotten

Karel has said its both unofficial, and then clarified it is official, but for the Unity Client. Aka the only actual Neos game we have on Steam and standalone on neos.com.

This is the official Discord of NeosVR the Unity client

He May Have Screwed Himself By Calling The Discord Unofficial For So Long

genuine question, why are YOU here?

Also I believe that Karel is the CEO of Solirax, he could just request access to the Steam page and Discord guild as the publisher of the game.
Lots of words, not a lot of actions.

I'd like to see NCR rise again, I've put lots of money in it but right now, there is close to no transparency on what's being done.

This Is A Good Question

Id rather just lurk but I'm sad to see Andrea bothering to respond to some dickhole coming in to get a last word.

You Are Quite The Feisty Lurker

My Interest In The Debacle Has Waned As The People Who Have Manipulated This Scenario Are Clearly Too Deep In Their Manufacturing

Strange People Who Seek To Ride The Gravy Train That Is Froox Til The End

to a lot of people here, this all represented a possible future and place to build or be who you wanted

That Is Resonite Now

that hope turned into an ugly pit of hostility and lies.

Believe me, I want to like Resonite. Though I stated why I can't bring myself to

that's me though. I don't think I can really smile inside the little world created by someone I feel maliciously hurt and insulted so many for his concenience.

Oh Well

Froox used people as stepping stones to his dream, I do like the people Ive met in resonite though

That Is True

The Selfishness And Toxicity Is The Culture Of The Group Responsible For Its Ongoing Development

I Cannot Disagree

A Cautionary Tale Of Greed

It Is Reflected In The Product But This Will Be A Community Driven Effort With Money Being Skimmed Off Of The Top Via Cloud Hosting Like Every Other SaaS

It Is Very Boring

I cant tell if you're not a resonite player or if youre the type to seperate the creator from the work

I Have Not Installed Resonite Because Its Feature Set Looks Similarly Weak To That Which Could Be Produced In Neos

A Solid Core But No One With Product Knowledge To Produce Better User Experience

the ui has a fresh coat of paint, if theres improvements under thr hood I havent noticed them yet

People Desperately Begging For Basic Inventory Management

It Has A Long Way To Go

I Will Install It In A Year When The Bare Minimum Has Been Produced

If R petters out to around 200 players average after a while it will be a shameful disappointment. That would be 3 chances of wide success squandered by incompetance. First being the ncr crypto windfall, second the EAC VRC debacle, and now this relaunch

It Will Likely Grow

It Would Be Naive To Expect It Not To Grow At Least At First

It Will Capture The Second Life VR Market And Be Suitable For That And Collect Enough Funding Off Of That Alone

I watched Neos hit 1k players during EAC, then fall to around 150

I As Well

maybe, thats no metaverse though

It Is By Definition A Metaverse

SL did good gasliting people into thinking its anyting more than a walled garden service

The Realities Of The Pure Metaverse You Seek Is Infrastructure Works Better When Centralized

It Is Still A Metaverse

if u want centralized go play SANDBOX

Laughing Out Loud

The Time Has Come For Me To Delete This Account

Some Final Thoughts

ProbablePrime Direct Messaged Me And Is Very Disturbing Of An Individual

Froox Is Smart But Gullible But Hopefully They Can Find Peace With Resonite To Do What They Want Without Drama

why more people leave?

NCR Was A Scam And Many People Were Defrauded With No Recourse

I Feel Bad For Them

The Riders On The Resonite Project Are Leeches But They Have Embedded Their Parasitic Mandables Into The Yellow Dog Man

Ivermectin Cannot Help The Yellow Dog Man

but stake is good. Everything at stake. so much in little time?

Good Luck With That

Resonite Will Be Successful Off Of The Back Of Froox And The Community That Does The Rest Of The Lifting Unless The Neos Toxicity Leaves Their Collective Minds

Only Then Will True Collaboration Beget A New Metaverse

Until Then It Is Now The New VR Porn Platform And That Should Be Enough

I Fully Agree, This Will Be A New Age Of Exploration And Innovation

mans really typing like a monologuing villain 😂
who types with the start of every word being capital. unless its a mobile setting.

Your Mother

it will be the best furcadia VR, new age of vore, many inflation and paw sniffing

Yes

The New Age Of Vore Inflation

If Only Karel Was Invited To Such Parties With Geenz

Maybe Neos Would Still Have A Chance

may your diapers sag magnificently in this new era

I Cannot Wait For The Poopy Diaper Resonite Fiasco

I Am So Excited

That Will Last All Of 2 Seconds Before The Community Collectively Goes "Same"

And Create A Mountain Of Stinky Winkies

I Will Be Observing From Afar For The Air To Clear Once The Landfill Has Successfully Composted Into A Meadow Of Creation

A Glorious Meadow Of Rebirth And Fresh Minting For The Metaverse

since its on topic, one of my favorite things to do is find the f-list profiles of various aggressive Neos users from discord and laugh at the things theyre into

That Is My Kink Too

it seems "S h e l l o" and "Leorio" is the same person. from the comments i bet your also a VRC user

No We Are Totally Two Different People

Do Not Trust Them They Pull The Strings

I Am Leorio

I Am Only One Person

I Am A Furry On An Alt Account Who Really Cares

I Am Leorio

I Am Orc

It Is A Bit Ironic To See How Determined And Professional Some People Behave On Accounts That Directly Link To Themselves In Diapers But Far Be It For Me To Judge Them

If Their Business Concerns Are Furry Exclusive It Does Not Matter

That Isn't The Right Usage Of Ironic But I Fully Agree Nonetheless

I Am Not An Expert In This Language I Use To Communicate

I Wish I Could Use Logix With Chat G P T To Write My Messages For Me But This Is What I Have Been Given

I Am Sorry, Neither Am I. I Just Learned That In My English Class.

Understandable Have A Nice Day

Oh You Were Muted And Can Still Make Polls That Is Funny

Hell Yeah Bro

I Will Meet Some Of You In Resonite Though In A Different Form

Orc I Hope You Are More Pleasant On That Platform Than You Are On Here

Don't Do It, There's So Much To Live For

My Winkies Must Be Stinked

Guess this is goodbye

my winkie will stay super stinkie

I Am Glad

Ill see you on resonite or in some other world

I hope

Karel Is An Idiot

I Forgot To Add That

I Question If Andrea Is Real Sometimes

She Should Update Her Resume If So

pop back in sometime, whoever you are

I Will Be Around But You Will Not Know Me

The Leorio You Knew Will Be Laid To Rest

What is happening... are secret creations found?

NCR 2.0

The Secret Was Within Us All Along

Did You Just Change Your Name To Deleted Account

I hate goodbyes

wtf

This is getting a bit surreal. XD

it's strange

their a bunch of weirdos

That was back then, when NCR was new to them and seemed a good idea for them

Thanks for that

Seems so

That was a long interesting read

Says the furry weirdo.

You're still in the minority of people on the planet, most people think furries are strange.

Not sorry.

yes im a weirdo too, atleast i can admit it

VR is still a minority too

Yep

Im also a weirdo btw, an absolute technocrat.

Its better to embrace our differences rather than retreat to name callings and emotion.

Kinda funny that's mentioned since most of this chat is just that

man if a furry was a twink in bed id be scared af because they are probably the IT lead of my isp or something

https://i.redd.it/rlz2nh7q0uv71.jpg

Holy hell what happened in this chat today lol

I mean it costs to host API servers and I wouldn't host servers for a game I'm not playing either especially if the games owners weren't taking it seriously

This Is Very Weak Bullying Just Saying

Don't feed the trolls you're supposed to be deleted

No You

Ok

👉👈😔

🥺

I log to metaverse and everyone GONE

no theres a 4 players average to join

Where

People have left? Are the creations also gone?

Everyone except Karel has moved to a new crypto-scam-free platform.

Everyone? I thought some people would stay. So no stake?

Andrea has said staking is "almost ready" here: https://t.me/c/1314262393/52440

Yes everyone.

Karel is the only one left peddling a scam, with Andrea doing his dirty work.

If you’re looking for a crypto scam to invest in, this isn’t the one.

I know you have strong feelings about how this whole situation was dealt with, but IMO, it's better if you leave the negativity behind, and enjoy the other platforms that you are interested in.

I guess there will be stake

However, what's better than stake, it is steak

i knew alot of neos users. its basically a ghost town at this point. at this point we cant really save neos as a platform. so why not make other platform what neos could have been

first time isnt the best. so a second go usually is way better

You might not be interested in that other platform, as it is void of any crypto

If you're interested in crypto and stake, this is the right place here

hey, maybe karel can turn neos into something competitive. Honestly theres a chance even with the crypto ties. it could potentially be there. but who knows

*if you’re interested in a scam which makes Karel rich, this is the place

I wonder why he did all the buy backs then

it does suck that it did kinda come to this point however. seeing my friends list with 0 online was really striking.

enjoying a rich vibrant community without cryptobros is nice, you should join us

to me or thomas?

both

Thomas is already here

Well, I really like the community over there

Almost everyone is awesome over there, except maybe one single person

oh i am in resonite. 60 hours already under my belt. you wont see me around for awhile due to my ban transfering. Ive been making many assets for new users such as badges (i have a whole collection of custom ones)

But I am not so sure about that one single person, they might be awesome, too

I try to be awesome v.v I'll try harder I guess 👉👈😔

That is not about you

<3

In steam there 10 user

doesn't steam count headless servers as well?

also could be people just in private rooms.

A lot of people are deleting their Neos accounts after moving, so it's likely a lot of stuff will vanish

I'll be deleting mine soon

so then new project won't get anything from old platform? What will give new client value?

Stuff made in Neos will be ported to Resonite if the user makes a Resonite account and chooses to migrate

New client value is the community that loved Neos and not crypto

But what about Neos Foundation new client with stake?

Do whatever you like, 99% of the community won't be sticking around to see it

No interest in the new Neos client whatsoever

Resonite is where the core community has moved to

Does Karel intend to sue Yellow Dog Man studios for stealing code from Solarix?

See thats the neat part froox owned the source code for neos and had the rights to it x3

Hmm. But froox wrote code for Solarix. Why would Solarix not own the code?

As far as I understood, No contract

Irrelevant. Courts will uphold agreements without contracts. Including oral agreements if there is proof.

Unfortunately for froox, he delivered code to Solarix for a live product for years.

Is that how it even works? If no contract, then why would court care? People keep saying Forx was listed seperately on site, so they themself?

Are you so naive you think the existence of a signed piece of paper is the deciding factor in a case like this?

Man, has lawfair have a harsh lesson to teach you.

It was impossible for them to steal code

It's Solirax and they were a publisher. That's what the steam page says

lmao no they won't

It's either: You have a signed agreement, or the court won't do crap because there's no evidence of anything other than a "he said she said" argument

After all, there can't be an agreement without... you know, an agreement. One they can touch that isn't just ephemeral sound waves.

So if theres no contract then its technically open to anyone without legal bindings

Yeah, there’s a reason why almost all contracts are put on paper here
Oral agreements are only good if you’re trying to sell a DVD on your local version of Craigslist

Nope contract is required, froox provided a service unless it is stipulated that the code produced while at a company is explicitly owned by the company ownership is assumed to belong to the Creator. This is why real companies include a clause about owning anything you make while there.

there is no legal infringement here, so no basis

My guess was, the agreement was like, frooxius continued to work on the code of his pet project, while Solirax has the rights to publish it

That was however long before that split. And just a guess, I might be completely wrong

With that kind of agreement, rights to the code are not transferred, only publishing

LMFAO Are you so naive you think the existence of hearsay is the deciding factor in a case like this?
Man, has lawfair have a harsh lesson to teach you.

So, was what happened morally okay? Certainly not. Was it lawful, obviously yes.

LMFAO legality =! morality

indeed, the irony

in all honesty if morality was the debate here we'd be discussing how the company has treated it's customer base as well but honestly at this point it's far too late in the game to consider morality. it's more about legality at this point since there was no ability to secure a negotiation.

Then in legality, there is no debate, there was no contract, end of the story.

And things happening the way they are, either it's all legally sound or it hasn't been questioned in court yet

exactly

base on the fact that K hasn't been on in over a week idk if he's trying to adress it or not

There could also be a settlement, we will never know about that

lmfao and bigfoot could be real

'could' a lot of things

Team won't talk about it, Karel could lie about it

idk if we're speculating lets make it fun. karel and froox are the same person and the whole thing was designed to produce a fanatic userbase that would fervently cling on to the platform.

see that's top tier speculation right there.

/me tightens tinfoil hat.

Seen froox in person. Haven't seen karel except in videos

the plot thickens!!!

Wait, no one has seen amazing CEO, but has seen fox person?

well have you seen him? i havent!

I think it's my time to head out. I hope an honest and fruitful life to everyone. remember that the gain or loss of something as silly as money is not worth a life.
happy trails, Karel, and everyone who contributed to this project.

I saw them both together many years ago in Neos, but that was around 4 years ago now. Hell, I even have videos of them back then and the community manager talking about NCR, lol.

Shhhh don't ruin this we're having fun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629302253768933376/1161376385948975346/image.png

From long, long ago. Karel didn't really use the platform much after that from what I saw.

Last time I saw Karel was MMC21.

Same I think

No wait actually he provided voice clips for the ncr jam

thicc plot

last time I saw him in Neos, same avatar

I see 100k movement in wallet. Is for fund developer?

Biggest move on wallet. Move to binance to convert to currency

What do you mean?

Oct 3 100k USDC pulled neos minting wallet to move to binance exchange

Oh shit

Jesus christ

Is the pull happening? :P

No, perhaps Karel liquidated that amount to use it for sponsoring and paying salaries to the Resonite development team, as well as celebrating the launch of Resonite.

So is team and not dev?

Resontite and the Neos foundation are entirely unrelated

If Karel Is Never Returning Can We Enable Stickers Please

if there's any possible lawsuit I don't know/think it'd be from Solirax, but from the NCR holders to those devs

The angle would be while they were representing that company they stayed in it and then took multiple actions to purposefully damage the value of those investments

and that development of that code was funded by those investments

Unsure if it legaly is an investment

And if ncr holders have any right to it

It sure was presented as an investment, and talked about as an investment

and the ICO was structured like one

I Don't Think ICO Has A Distinct Legal Identification

Guess that would be up for a hypothetical court to decide

If You Lost 100 USD In NCR I Dont Think This Hypothetical Court Case Is Going To Happen

*inb4 5 furry armchair reddit lawyers come in to defend froox*

I Think Both Sides Were Larping A Legal Battle While Frooxion Developed Resonite

Of course Karel took no legal action, I doubt he did anything to fight what happened to him

NCR Class Action For $300 Probably Not Worth A Firm's Time

Karel Is A Dweeb

I don't know what he did for the last two years tbh

He Did Not Perform The Stink Ritual To Assume Control Of Neos

If He Had A Furry Persona Instead Of A Rick And Morty Self - Insert Maybe Neos Could Have Remained In His Power

These Capitalists Aren't Willing To Play The Game To Keep The Proletariat Content

Hubris

I definitely think if Karel was more of a terminally online sort of person, not even furry, he'd have not been migrated out of the in circle

most of the devs are atleast halfway good at ingraciating themselves

or maybe if he could even type in english

When I see him talk to others I don't even know if he understands them fully

though sometimes he responds logically

that sounds like an issue if he would be representing the company xd

everything is an issue if youre looking for issues

Most Of The Devs Are Actual People With Professional Lives Karel Is Just A Grifter

He Could Have Matriculated To More Than Grifter But He Was Too Incompetent

With Andrea Also Gone I Am Certain Karel And Andrea Are The Same Person And Have Left

its kinda cute you think theyre professionals

I Dont Believe They Are "Professionals" They Objectively Have Careers

but either way theyre the ones who actually cheated people, not Karel

It Is Hard To Argue They Cheated Anyone By Creating Resonite

and be honest, karel's actions have consistently aligned eith trying to help his coin's holders

Their Service Was Not To The Coin Holders

No One Cares About NCR

however incompetant he is, that's to be noted

no, their actions before that, where they dragged NCR funders into the fued between themselves, and the craven way they distanced themselves from those people to save face

they spent the last two years, while wearing solirax hats, disparaging the product they sold to people, who just prior they were shilling

I know you want to believe Froox is judt gullible and got in over his head but no, its much more self-serving and malicious than that

but yeah, in short I do believe there's a plausible case against them

will anything come of it? I dunno, maybe if youre an NCR holder or someone who lost alot on it, stay in touch with each other

I don't think so, there were no obligations to NCR holders. NCR was meant as a utility, not a security, the utility was fulfilled by allowing to buy storage with NCR

It would be interesting to see if that'd actually stand. But could mean other dead projects could become more dead, or projects in danger could be overrun.

Afaik, Karel reacted to the pump and dump that was done by bad actors. So he was buying back NCR. The other actions were an attempt to raise the value of NCR. So the attempts to rescue what NCR was were there. Can't say purposefully damaging value.

None of the money from mint went into development of the NeosVR client

It was never sold as an investment. It was never said to be an investment, except NCR holders coined that term themselves

How can it be a pump and dump if Karel never once dumped?

If you mean the case against the devs? They didn't receive any compensation from the minting and sale of NCR. So they had no obligations to deliver anything towards NCR

wrong. NCR was sold since 2018. Froox himself said that Neos wouldve been dead if not for NCR.

Are you stupid?

It was talked about in multiple streams about how it would be worth so much more in the future. Also the ICO operated on a sliding scale where the value to mint would increase.

Also even if it was never called an investment (spoiler, Froox himself said "think of it like an investment") that doesn't protect it from being questioned in court

The fact you are trying to shut down conversation about this says a lot...

For once, there was a pump and dump. The charts of NCR value undoubtedly show that it happened. No Karel didn't dump, he actually bought back working against the dump

I misread you

What Frooxius said and what Karel said are very different

Im going off what Froox said

Then you'd have to sue that side, however they can show they never received any money from NCR

They did though.

Since 2018, NCR had been in part funding the creation of Neos code

That was the plan, however they didn't receive money from the ICO

They did, peope got paid and Neos infrastructure stayed operational

Doesn't match what I heard the dev team and Karel all say, that no money from the ICO had ever been used for anything before the development freeze

Did Froox have a parttime job to pay rent while Neos was being developed?

What rent?

genuine question there

You don't know what happened there? We'll leave it with that

Well you need to see their words on it. They said people got paid when they submitted invoices. They can't really pick and choose and say after this period the money prior doesn't count toward development

or that people who invested earlier don't count

why are we playing the mental gymnastics here?

Yes, ICO wasn't the only source of money. But it was a source they haven't touched, because there was enough through investors and Patreon

NCR was a product sold for real money to people. They developed code while selling NCR. In the last two years, the devs started heavily disparaging that product *after* it was sold. They did this while positioned as members of the organization that sold it. They implied they wanted to erase the product.

Then they take the code they developed while funded, leave and redeploy the same code under a new company to avoid obligation to those funders

Whatever money might have been used from the ICO before development freeze could have been to pay for the cloud services. That would have been okay as storage could be paid using NCR, which would actually release the money to be used to pay for cloud services

NCR was distributed through Patreon too.

That NCR was free of charge and no money from that Patreon was even used to mint those coins

youre trying to build some arbitrary difference between the different sources of funding

It seems to be very important for you to show that ICO money had been used

How is it free if you have to spend money on patreon for it?

The company's money is the company's money... from all sources. And people were paid and Neos servers remained on because of that money. You can't imply only certain sources of money were used.... even as far back as 2018

That is reaching

was NCR used to reward community members to develope content inside the ecosystem and attract players?

not a genuine question 😁

Even if you bought NCR with Patreon. It's still money from Patreon, not ICO, that is usable. The utility through the NCR is a perk you got for supporting on Patreon and you could even opt out of receiving the NCR, which would change nothing about funding through Patreon

CDFT was used to reward community members. This CDFT was a factor that was exchanged for NCR, that had been minted without creating any money from it

These minting batches were part of the white paper itself, which you might be able to get a copy somewhere

But majority of people chose to receive their NCR, which was usable in the game and also sold to then through other means... implying it had monetary value. And then after years of distributing this asset, those developers took steps to damage it through public statements. Then they left with the code that was partially funded by selling that product to launch a competing game using the same code

see how this kinda raises red flags? Kinda sounds like fraud?

Anyway, whatever, looking into how things were handled, NCR holders were never investors and they have no leverage for a lawsuit against either Frooxius or Solirax

source: just trust me bro

Not legal advice though, IANAL

Source of that stuff is buried in the history of this group and on discord. You could even ask dev team members about some things and they may answer, like how they never received money from the ICO. I'm sure that's something they can tell you

NCR was sold as an investment imo. Maybe the whitepaper doesn't call it that, but every bit of its marketing implies it, along with some isolated statements

That's what you think, but you won't ever find mention of it being an investment on the website, the archive.org of that website, any of the white papers or anything Karel said in here

Neos received money from those investments. And Neos is the code that was taken to make Resonite

Neos received money from investments and Patreon, that's a given, yes

Karel is on streams and in chats saying NCR is going to be worth way more later, lol

But NCR itself was never sold as investment

There you go trying to partition off the funding Neos got.

Here

Since I actually like you so much Thomas

I didn't create that distinction. It was handled that way, however they did it

And yes, understanding that partition is key

I like how your quote is accurate enough. Thinking of something like an investment doesn't make it that. It's an analogy

So, you want to sue? Talk to a lawyer

If they see a way to do it, tell me

how do you know what funds paid for what parts of Neos or keeping the lights on? If anyone would know it'd be the only person handling the finances, Karel

and how do you know what each individual pledging on patreon was wanting out of it?