Thank you. Yes my message goes to everyone. Let's be civil. I don't want to go into putting people on spot. We are grownups I hope😊

Yes☺️ But the real deal is coming 😁, you guys are faster than ferrets in finding things hahaha❤️

Not fast enough, otherwise I’d have sold my NCR before the team did. I’m glad that things are happening. Please keep us updated as much as possible. Thanks!

Of course😊

how did the first finder find neosvr.com anyway??

still doing something

idk. something

I'd assume by trying to go to the neos website

Neosvr.com used to be a 301 redirect to neos.com

funny episode kk

It's also now back to being exactly that just a redirect to the main page

Nice to see that some of you already got a sneak peak of the new website during our small test with the old domain. We'll be launching it shortly on the main one.

In the meantime feel free to check a small promo vid we did for the new website launch.

nice clip :)

got wierd alert from coingecko ncr price..

Hi karel.
I'm having trouble because I can't withdraw ncr from bitrue. bitrue says it cannot tell when the withdrawal will be made. Is this only a matter of bitrue? Could you possibly help?

This is a screenshot.

Looks amazing! ❤️

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I mean some people seem to have bought ncr after the trailer released

I dont know if your countries definition of laundering is different but over here laundering can only be with money gained from illegal activity

Why u r here？

If u don’t support karel

Imo if agreement is made

U will see every where

It is short sighted

Time will tell

ah

I mean yeah none of the neos team besides karel know about this new site

Calm down

it makes point that Karel should use money to develop neos.
Hope we can see him using money on new hire or partnerships :)

since the current dont like money, its hard to give it to them. give it to new employees :)

this AMM is nonsense for this kind of buybacks.

easy..

money has no emotion, it just acts this way

unless there's fundamental change

such as more dev, partnerships, joint annoincement

New website is now live on neos.com apparently

what does this mean? found in the whitepaper, and when I click the video it says the video is offline

nope

The new neos.com website is now online. Hope you like it and that we'll get a lot of feedback so we can make it even better over time. 😊

The amount of money on our bank accounts grows every month, we are certainly ready to hire from that point of view.

How exactly would that work? Buying NCR shows our trust in NCR and helps holders.

No date so far but would like to see staking available sooner than later.

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Mobile version needs some work, mainly the way that the media display at the bottom tiles strangely vertically

The media display could also use some labeling as it is unclear what is an image and what is a video

Having some in Engine visuals more front and center would also probably be a good idea

Very appreciated, we'll keep working on improving it. Infinitely more editable than the last one.

By the way who did the artwork for the website because it's pretty neat

Glad to hear that. They have been done by Mirko Grisendi aka Hurca! https://dribbble.com/Hurca

neat opinions :)

Thanks!

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Oh also the list of planned/recent features seems to be missing

this would be a neat thing to have back on the new site imo

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This roadmap was actually done by myself.

Looking forward to publish a new one once we have one.

Oh? is the feature plan changing from the one laid out here?

or just visual change

I would mainly like to include some at least approximate timelines this time around.

As far as im aware this new website update is purely from Karel.

Frooxius got the draft of the website for review together with the new Whitepaper but didn't provide any feedback. Not out of ordinary as he didn't provide feedback on the last one and the one before that either. We're on third gen Neos website at this time. 😊

Yeah that's the reason we don't have timelines on the webiste.

Honestly one thing that would be neat for the page also is to overlay a loading image until website paint is fully finished to prevent user scroll during load maybe something like a spinning neos logo while the page loads. could be Aesthetic

does this project survive？

back to life？

I think having some rough timelines the company and their teams can aim for is generally good. For example the website launch was supposed to be by the end of Q1. The launch date slipped a bit, but we didn't stress about it much and now we have a nice new website. I doubt it would be anywhere near this far without the timeline.

Also im hearing it breaks on ultrawide displays but i dont have one to test that myself

what about the ncr？

I think as the CEO, Karel is entitled to a certain level of executive autonomy when it comes to things like strategic planning, marketing, and finance - in the same way that Frooxius is given autonomy over platform development as the CTO.

what's the relationship between neos and ncr？

The "Meet Neos Engine" part sounds a bit off to me also, i dont know if its just the wording but it rolls a bit oddly off the tongue

Neos is the Platform, NCR is a utility token for the platform

Currently you can tip people with it and rent storage

I would like for the strike to end as well. Have been offering many concessions but no luck so far.

bad news

Also you can send it to people both directly in-game or on the Ethereum blockchain as a payment method. Trustless trades and escrow coming later on with Neos Store.

What does team not agree to ?

Trustless trades in the store? what exactly does that entail within the store?

A trustless trade means that you don't have to worry about not getting the thing you paid for or not getting paid. All trades on stores are usually trustless.

Now when sending NCR to someone there has to be an amount of trust that they will deliver on what is the subject of the trade.

Ah ok so nothing out of the ordinary planned there gotcha

By the way, since Telegramm is now advertised on the main page do you have any plans for moderation since this could cause an influx of users?

They want to make Neos Credits a third party token, that is not in the best interest of NCR holders (including the largest holder Neos itself) or anyone else and thus not acceptable.

We'll definitely increase the number of mods in here over time, that's a good point.

Great to hear

This is old. No new information since a month?

Also if anyone else is interested in Performance metrics I did a small snapshot before the update and when it went live
https://gtmetrix.com/compare/C4v2Lq2R/H9A0Q5g7

dunno if theres a way to remove embeds on telegramm so oof

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Assuming legal correspondence information flow can be a bit slow in general especially if these are formal and not informal

If no news for month about what team wants can take years to talk about fix?

That depends, if an agreement is reached then things can be settled sooner, if things have to go to court .. well i dont know which jurisdiction but generally speaking court proceedings can take a while, so i hope its settled before court has to be an option

Personally i'm still holding positive tho

And my invite to anyone to join me inside neos still stands, im more than happy to teach anyone about the current platform

What does team want. What does Karel want. Split? Work together? What happen to ncr

Well i can only assume what karel or team wants, so it wouldnt really be fair for me to answer that for either party

Karel say easy to let devs be open source but no update

As far as i know Open source is long term, in its current state open sourcing is not possible due to multiple questionable and licensed integral dependencies

such as Final IK

what team wants is clarified tho.
Froox: make ncr third party and lets not work together

Karel: not acceptable, lets try work as a whole, but seperately as u wish.

Well but this just covers public knowledge, they already know that, i assume they want an up do date take of current proceedings which we dont have

yep. all we know is that.

but i dont think it changed tho

maybe 3rd party is not on table, I hope..

Yo it seems we are holding somewhat stably around 0.43$ right now assuming the trend continues

obviously its not been a long time but

we'll see

I think LP getting set it up

Karel convert 600 eth to usdc

lets wait for Froox's disagree post.

yeah but we seem to be slowly climbing, obviously it can change any minute

Froox go to jail

unlesss im mising something here

i know about that yeah

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NCR is in today's top gainers on CMC.

Small info because the media page is unlabeled, the third page on the media section is actually videos, thats all from me.

Artworks also fire imo

all else are images, the third one is videos

yeah i already said it should be more front and center

Cause the first imperssion of in game right now is without trying to be too negative a very low framerate recording, which is just the beginning but we all know people dont watch the whole way and will assume bad performance

lol

I should really re-shoot that part and send them the source file. That was originally made as a casual thing for my Twitter. ❤️

I've since acquired a 3080Ti

considering ppl who dont know about Froox, neos engine is just fine.
To satisfy some furries, maybe it should be changed into
"powered by Neos engine, a.k.a Froox-engine. Frooxius is a genius CTO ........"

It small detail to show Karel not work with team

just an opinion as what u r questioning :)

Not good look

Personally i just think "Neos Engine" as a word combination sounds weird to refer to like THE Neos Engine works fine but the moment you go "Meeting neos engine" it kinda sounds off

Karel it’s time to get some crypto VC onboard . They know how to get neos successful in crypto side

or
native engine of our own CTO - Froox-engine

also makes sense

Yeah discord is like at the bottom left of the page

I think Neos has incredible potential to be a proper parametric modeler when the mesh tools are implemented. I'm a big supporter of keeping the content creation pipeline in the world because it increases the immersion factor.

there should be a whole gallery to show them :), maybe add some tabs for it

A lot of VRChat world creators use a Unity plugin called Probuilder and it makes world building really accessible for people who aren't experienced with programs like blender.

The exporter needs to be refined a bit more as well ive recently noticed some flaws of UV exports where uvs will just straight up null, but i need to make a proper replication case of such

Probuilder is very much akin to Second Life for sure, but I think Neos could take it to the next level with Zbrush style sculpting tools. When content creation is fun and easy for users it definitely helps to crowdsource the world and keeps people engaged.

Yeah i think geenz has already touched on this but basically separating the simulation and renderer

Neos is successful but NCR is highly to fail

Frooxius has serious mental problems.

also here a link to geenz talkng abou a paralel renderer i you havent seen it
https://twitter.com/GeenzNeosVR/status/1510893977502814209

I don’t think neos will have a bright future

why is that

The last time I spoke with Geenz in-world they mentioned the need to replace the rendering engine which from what I understand is one of the last Unity components still in the code. Being able to use something with a little less overhead can open a lot of doors for true platform agnostic builds including ARM-based HMDs like the Quest 2. With MIT or GPLv3 licensing it would also put Neos on track for open source long-term, if the IK proprietary binaries are also addressed.

with all respect for unities ability to simplify people making gamess

unity is hot garbage in some regards

like their version of mono

So what’s now? A lawsuit is happening or what?

So nothing good happened

@Kulza @sharkmare0001 @Lucaedr @Gunnar_0 hey, where is Ja Kobu guy?? cant find his name in discord, he also deleted many comments in tweeter. what happened to my friend?? any clue would be nice :(

miss him a bit ..

It’s pointless to buy back to pump the price now. Better keep the funds for other staff at this moment

Karel

no clue all messages i can find of them are gone

Buybacks at this moment can’t give us confidence in this project now

this was the error, its back now

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based on what

amogus

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NCR is back?

yes

new website is online

Where's in-game footage, what about community?

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Probably changed nicks, some people on discord feel very alike

Will there ever be metaverse meet up?

I see no similar names to this group inside the game

Thanks for the feedback so far everyone ☺️ It's much appreciated, especially the more constructive comments. It's never about patting on the back but rather I see it as an opportunity to improve even more - although the praise is always nice haha, for sure☺️ As for the community in-game footage and such. We would certainly like to shoot some more videos in time. We are really grateful to Tizzy, as she was happy to let us use her video - and it's a really good one, thanks a lot again @tizzers . It's that kind of promotion that we would like to see and do more of. So perhaps we can work more closely with some of you from the Neos creative community on adding more material in time, that would be lovely.☺️ We have also plans for trailers and such.
With the website we simply aimed to launch at the stage where we have a fully functional product that gets across all the core points, so we can now iterate on that more, based on data, feedback etc. It's very much in a spirit of Growth Driven Design. ☺️

Okay, it's pretty much the same website in a different layout

I don't know much about the content though, it changed. But any of the new functionality is not present. Account management hasn't changed at all, which was actually the more important part for a new website

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Nex does a really good job showing off things yeah

Also the one thing im grateful for on the new website is that

Dark theme is default ;^)

Having the new trailer on there with in-game footage would be awesome. The version Chroma sent me was great and almost ready to lanuch.

I think as Chroma is part of the strike we have to wait till that ends or shoot a new one.

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I've been playing Neos long before anyone in this chat knew Neos exists and wasn't even called Neos at the time. I'm definitely open to speaking to everyone on the dev team who are currently on strike.

They are mid negotiations , this is not new?

furries will attack u anyway,
no need to take all feedbacks seriously, just take what u need.

furries attack u even saying happy st. Patricks day. lol

It is definitely one of the options if we won't manage to agree on some way to go forward.

Keep the funds and stop the buybacks before the dispute is resolved

They are pretty much removing themselves right now in what they are currently doing

However a cooperative relationship of some kind would be for sure preffered.

only not an option for furries

Even if it would that doesn't mean its not a way forward, a painful one, yes but still a way

is this about like hard split?

idk exactly

I still hope and believe some kind of cooperation will be possible.

thats funny kk
they offered Karel to leave if u remember

Very sci-fi offers to make NCR a 3rd party thing and screw ncr holders. No real offeers. I made real offers to finanace their new US company which Froox refused.

financing US entity and hiring as they wish, how can this get refused?

Yes

Haven't even signed the Memorandum of understanding to not do harsh public statements

I got a bbunch of ncr still sitting around

I dont think they know what negotiation is about.

I thought source code was issue?

Karel, they think ur position is super low. they dont even need to consider any point u make, unless u show them real world power.

Karel already say all team members will be replace why would team want to work under boss that will fire them

I'd assume that's most likely karels main concern since hes said that thrd party ncr is essentially joke

Furries are programmers and IT guys who keep the internet going

Didnt you get warned by Andrea?

Ignore troll

alfonso man, go to discord and say
"I love furries"

come back here and say
"actually I dont"

that will make some excuses for u

It's more than just about "bad words" you are calling an entire diverse community of people useless.

Honestly idk how you don't understand the issue with that

Why dont you instead join in on some constructive criticism, whats your view of current ongoings and what do you think is the best step forwards?

what we need now most is
"open discussion from Froox"

In the gaming community this usually turns out badly but i assume you have some example of your own?

Karel will certainly respond for what Froox says, not like him

Karel is keep trying

yeah

this is what we want

huh? im talking about like all of gaming, usually when a studio is replace d the follow up title is lackluster, that eas my point

Yes please

I second that. I'd like to know as well what the actual issues are

I really dont understand what you mean

we are seeing lots of comments from Karel, so we know at least few what he is against.
such as 3rd party ncr

what about Froox? why he oppose US entity fund and hiring devs?

Froox has to learn what negotiation is.

Will need to wait on a statement unless someone else can point to a statement from him

on TG? personally i defer to Andrea

yes. statement is also fine.

yeah exactly

Karel can we get news on negotiation terms ?

youre probably prssing it slightly too far here tho

And even then, we'd only know the terms they agreed on. And only some of those, not the whole story

aha. know which weapon u have then negotiate is Froox's strategy?

Furries: Karel is a piece of shit that should be kicked out of his own company and NCR should go to 0.

Also Furries: how come Karel doesn't listen to our feedback??? How can he just create a new website that doesn't emphasize our toxic discord!?!?!

kk lol

I mean as a completely objective basis, Telegramm isnt really the best place to get info about the platform unless you count my invitations to show people the platform

The discord got a bunch of channels full of record info about the platform and what you can do in it and a whole help section

If someone is insulting you please do report it, theres no overall moderaton in here currently besides Karel and Andrea

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 👍

Karel did u sue Froox?

There are some Furries who are like ... let's just say, annoying. However every group has their share of annoying members

Just saying, don't reduce the furry fandom to just that part

Also, yes, that part is quite loud, so it seems it's only those

How’s the thing going now? Lawsuits?

Yeah

But it isn't like it seems

haha. if Karel didnt sue or threatened Froox, what will u think about Froox?

what I heard is that this might be legal advice from Froox's lawyer to be silent.

Have you considered legal action?

which is nice move for him, if not considering re-union

or at least proceedings

Will there be meeting today? Or no more meeting on Wednesday

lol. this. Getting sick of it

one company is registered in the uk the others in Czech afaik

may be wrong on which is where

thats hard to prove the correlation. and its not yet 3rd party so no charge even in US

All the same old legal speculation isn't going anywhere

prove it for us please

imo the worst thing Froox did that I know is publicly post that he wanted to cut support for NCR after 4 years of fundraising through it. Definitely think this has weight in court and has legal cpnsequences but thats between him and Karel

it'd the elephant in the room

I dont think its illegal to obsolete first party support for such but thats also either for Czech or uk law which im not well versed in czech law

but it isnt yet.

different kind of support doesnt help

He posted his intention for doing so and his devs have stated their want to do so as his proxies.

thats same as giving NCR as a wage.

Elaborate?

Like cant you all see the same names in here trying to sweep this under the rug? Yet at the same time yipping about minor contrivances on the website or Karel's behavior? Yes Im calling you out

Its silly.

I mean, karel wanted feedback on the website

like, different kind of wage like NCR, is not accepted.

different kind of support, like 3rd party ncr is not acceptwd

anyway, it isnt yeah.

I'm unsure what you mean, do you mean people dont accept NCR as pay? or?

Yeah don't dare think critically about the fact Froox wants his fundraisers to fuckoff, and wont consider a outcome that favors them.

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The simple fact of the matter is that Karel and Froox are now in a legal battle for control over Neos. Both are taking actions in their own self-interest without consulting each other anymore at this point. A new whitepaper and website (which had already been announced/planned for months now) is in the interest of NCR/Karel, and as co-owner of the company with disputed ownership, he's completely entitled to do what he wants given the current dynamic between him and the rest of the dev team.

And to be clear, I fully expect Froox/dev team to be taking actions in their own self-interest as well (and they certainly already have with the work strike, selling off and public messaging against NCR, trying to kick Karel out from the company, etc.). Difference is we aren't going over into the discord acting holier than thou because of it.

They're in a fucking dispute - what do you expect?

was kind of joking,,

yeah and we got the same people in here going "ummm but is froox okay with the new website???" in a very transparent attempt at trying to spin this website as a new controversy to add to their bin of other very minor contrivances to try to gaslight people with

Lets ping Froox in discord
maybe he will announce sooner?

100 pings for him might help that

Lets not

Im sure Froox is typing up his "we disagree" announcement right now lol

they are master of gaslighting

it's completely asinine. they're basically in an existential battle, and they expect Karel to go ask Froox if he has any comments on the new website design???

Karel actually did ask Froox

I mean Karel , yeah was about to say

its only Froox not responding for over 1 month now

lol well even more ridiculous then

I wish I had as much free time to lurk around socials all day to spin a bunch of bullshit lies like some of them do

like who?

not you.

no but like who, because genuinely ive not seen anyone talk about this all day

Like most ive been doing today is infrastructure work, dev work and downing some whiskey and caffeine

Im not saying names

i'll dream about the party when ncr $30. good night guys

certain people who always pop up on twitter or discord to spew one sided narrative BS

lets go neos!

I mean i assume they are just comming back from work or wherver, we all gotta make money somehow afterall

Oh yeah btw if anyone wants to join im probabbly gonna hop on neos in a few

not talking about anyone here

yeah i mean in general, everyone gotta make money to survive

Im pleased with the new website, hope the legal discussions are going well

what are you talking about?

theres a few change suggestions i got going for it but i already voiced those

Well you like to portray some people as having no life and spending most their time bickering on socials, and i dont really think thats fair simply due to how our society is structured

maybe some people live at home or with parents. Either way some do seem to have a ton of free time for this.

WFH freed up time for lots of ppl, myself included

instead of coming at me about this, why dont you spend some time telling people why you think Froox cutting support for NCR is a good idea huh?

earlier I saw people saying deadlines are bad for Froox's mental health

Id like to point out Froox was against hiring any new people to help

I mean i've explained why i think third party can work vs hard fork so that kinda would just be rehashing stuff, but if you want we coudl go over it again. eitherway if you want we can also meetup in neos

NCR has been being sold for 4 years now. This man proposes cutting off thousands of holders on a whim rather than work things out

please god no

as in going over it or meeting up in neos?

the first lol

Im at work, cant get on VR right now

fair tbh i know yall differ on that and thats fine

fair

Anyway if you ever wanna chill my name in neos is pretty similiar, its just "Sharkmare"

yeah I know.

To be clear Ill never associate myself here on telegram with my Neos persona

That's fair

so if I ever interact or did interact with you in neos Id never say 'Im orc' unfortunately

That's your choice

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oshit, i gotta check if we managed to keep the stoate protected

found it

the boi is safe

i spent so much tie protecting him

wish we couldve got more space for neos tbh but makes sense

Truth

Who are you talking of?

I assume they mean the current dev team team, ala Forrx+Prime+Geen+Outsider

And why devs can't be replaced?

I mean, they can be

but one that would be pretty expensive and two they'd have to get access to and familiarize themselves wth the codebase

I'm currently working on my own Neos code and things are a bit different than expected but im also more experienced with JS over C#

Correct, loosing frooxius would hurt the project a ton but you can hire coders with money and this isn't a sprint

See the thing is even if things arent a sprint why would you not try to get out as much inherited velocity as you can

Yeah for sure, would love to see this issue resolved and things to continue on but now with clear roles and a professional setting

Delfine professional Setting because thats a bit vague

Don't feel the need for it really

I mean, that's fine, but i cant really respond to that without clarification

I'm not looking for respond. Froox has enough say to define working environment for him and his friends, but it seems he isn't settling to anything less than a complete takeover of the company. As soon as he gets over that, I guess they can really start talking

I speculate its more than that. If not having to interact with Karel was the only issue I'd think they could work out terms, however it seems to be personal.

Also I think in recent months when crypto became the hot topic and a dirty word, Froox came under pressure from his friends and the furries on the platform to end crypto involvement

so I think he's also ambitious in wanting to use this as an oppertunity to remove NCR

Yeah he's aware. He's been in here a long time.

I somewhat feel like Froox is a man who doesn't like to encounter social friction much at all, and the recent anti-crypto wave, atleast in my headcannon, has played a big role in these decisions and the behavior of his friends as well

so I view it as somewhat opportunistic as well. least that's my headcanon lol

I'm fully aware, it seems frooxius isn't the one realizing what his position is, until just recently and he's coming at it with no experience and swinging

And that's why I said he has the position to negotiate

A furry not responding usually means "No." However if you are not responding to a furry, it usually means "Yes, do it anyway."

😅

I hope to see Neos and NCR thrive again 💪

Huh?

Oh also apparently the TOS/U changed
https://wiki.neos.com/Terms_of_Use

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Changed from what? Not existing

would that not be a change? whats your point?

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It's more than a change, it was created

aight

I haven't seen it there before, do you have a screenshot or something?

I remember having looked like everywhere and the only hint of a Terms of Service was this entry in the wiki that was just the text "Terms of Service" without a link

I think you mean the EULA

There was no TOU before this one

Which the EULA is still linked within those TOU actually

So, one last thing that'd be required to enforce the ToU would be to prominently display it in Neos before first use

An email notification would also be neat along with a prompt to agree to them on sign in

Yes, however as you can use Neos and access the cloud services to download assets even without registering, the ToU needs to be accepted in before usually

So like a screen at first run of Neos.exe or right in before download

True, either on installation or first app start then

EULA hasn't changed

it's still the same copy-paste from that EULA template

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/740250_eula_0

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Hey Karel apparently people aren't able to sign up properly as when people get the verification email and click the link to verify, it says 'page not found'. Hopefully this can get fixed asap :)

Just to clarify, this is a visual error.
The email verification still functions properly, the page just displays 404

Oh okay. So the accounts still get verified?

Yes you should be able to log in

just tested this myself

Ahh, just the email verification confirmation hasn't been updated to the new site.

yup

all thats missing is the "yay you did it!" page

Also, that page has the title "Not Found - DeFi X - Webflow Ecommerce website template"

Way to alienate the current community of Neos, by pushing the crypto association into the front that much.

This. Those “neutral” people playing dumb pretending that the team was in a corporative position to supply footage is frankly annoying and childish. I also wanna remind these saints that nothing Karel did so far, like what outlined in the white paper and website update, is outside the scope of what was previously there, maybe with the exception of staking in whitepaper, which is within Karel’s rights and inconsequential in current status.

If a single mention of crypto can alienate people then maybe consider that it might be their problem. Geez.

Karel started acting more like a CEO and they pushed back because they've never respected his position as a leader, when realistically Karel has every right to make these key strategic company decisions on his own volition.

Crypto could be fine, if it was a secondary. But with the new website it seems to be pushed as it is primarily about this crypto currency and no longer about Neos itself

That’s simply not true. You can calculate how many real estate is dedicated for crypto and how many for the game itself. I agree that actual footage would be nice but it’s annoying to pretend that the team is going to supply said footage and players would feel comfortable displaying their footage on the website and attract alienation from the furries.

I wouldn't mind supplying footage/images of working on stuff within neos personally.

That’s great. I’m sure with enough footage he can come up with a new video to replace the unborn one the team is withholding.

I think it's important to remember that there is more to the website re-design than the front-end. The webflow back-end allows them to roll out changes faster with a proper web-based wysiwyg content management system. I imagine it will also help to improve content optimization and SEO.

Just absolutely no point in pretending that they have a working relationship right now. If the team is betraying the whitepaper they endorsed and not even updating the code that is in their control, they are not gonna approve the website or supply footage.

Just cause yall may not know, the NEOS workshop starts in like a few minutes basically it explains about how to use aspects of neos, this week its about UIX
https://www.twitch.tv/neosvr

To be honest I still feel like crypto is like, not for neos. That's just my opinion.

Neos is for the players and people like, even if it's in early beta it's already shown so much promise and you have people who are so passionate and interested in learning how the game works, and neos basically taught me how to program, even though I'm an artist and not a programmer. It's basically a social vr platform without limits and that's why I like neos.

Sure, it's glitchy. Sure, it's a little complicated but when you take the time to learn it it's awesome.

What’s happening right now to twitter will be interesting to watch. As Jack Dorsey admitted himself, big techs with over centralized power is demaging the internet and Elon Musk is pushing for decentralization of twitter, at least for its tech and algorithms. Personally I’m excited to see what’s to come for twitter because I have never been comfortable that unelected tech executives in hoodies having this much control over our lives. Decentralization is the future, and it’s a must, IMO, for a metaverse engine like Neos itself. Blockchain technology is the most robustly tested route to achieve decentralization at the moment. It also has the added bonus to raise capital for Neos, who’s been understandably very reluctant to accept VC investment in exchange for ownership. I’d argue that this ongoing dispute between two sides is the best argument for decentralization. It’d be one thing if Neos was a random internet service that gets paralized by internal dispute, totally another when it becomes a widely adopted metaverse engine and becomes disfunctional or unsupported because of a random tantrum the leadership throws. The fact that the team can be anti crypto before being pro crypto with a flick of a switch and do this much demage to investors and creators who dedicated time and effort into this community should be chilling to anyone.

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BTW I’m not an Elon bro. The way he sucks up to the Chinese Communist Party is sickening. At the same time I’m pumped to see what he can bring to twitter and social media at large because I 100% agree that these big techs have demonstrated that they are unworthy of the power they have over us and I’m genuinely concerned about how they are damaging public discourse and principles of free speech.

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things as they are, elon musk wants money, he did not buy 9% of the total shares for fun, twitter is not decentralized with elon musk

I’m just saying that decentralizing the power big tech has is what Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey are talking about, in those exact terms. But that’s not to say that they are toying with the idea of putting twitter on blockchain or anything like that. Decentralization is the goal, and blockchain is one but not necessarily the only route to achieve that goal.

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I feel crypto is necessary for Neos to achieve any position, where it could be a viable option to the offering from huge company like Meta. If you want Neos just to be a simple game that only group of gamers know, then crypto isn't needed and centralized credit system could be used

Many of us want Neos to reach a lot wider userbase and I thought both Karel and Frooxius wanted that too and we're aware of the crucial elements needed to make that happen

Not sure Frooxius can make independent decisions like a leader should, the furry community he is close to is relentless in their cryptohate

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People are always the killer app of the Metaverse, but beyond the users there is an incredibly delicate balance of factors that contribute to fostering a virtual world. You need social tools that allow people to form groups and locate like-minded people/cultures, you need to allow people to shape their identity and fulfill more of the self-actualization higher levels of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and you need the toolset that allows the users to build the world.

A key part of making a virtual world revenue model work is creating enough demand for virtual goods that tokens like NCR along with the marketplace enables Neos to sustain itself financially. That utility is what gives NCR value beyond being an investment vehicle. Being able to make real world money from contributing digital assets is a huge incentive for content creators and it worked amazingly well in platforms like Second Life.

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I wonder, has anyone asked yet in here what the "Priority Support" that's advertised on the website for patreons is? Because currently at least neos doesnt have a support team so its a strange statement.

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is this active platform?

If you mean the telegram chat, yeah depends on the time if you mean NEOS as a platform, yeah theres usually people on at all times

Is neos metaverse platform active?

Yeah id say its decently active, theres usuallly someone around

thank you bro

is it invested?

What exactly do you mean by that?

Does it make sense to buy tokens?

grafik only down :)

It's worth playing :3

It somehow looks like Neos is the utility necessary for NCR currently. This is so backwards right now. The most important part of any project with a user base is always the people. So it should be community first. Neos is the product, NCR is its utility. Not the other way around. Advertising NCR is the wrong thing to do and it would just inflate the price and it would just pop like a bubble again. Bring Neos forward, make it attractive to multiple communities, then by making NCR a utility of that space, the value will naturally increase and be backed by its volume.

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Using NCR in Neos is not mandatory as was said a lot of times already. We don’t require people to buy land to be able to create worlds or anything. Neos is free for anyone to use. The only thing we need is one part of the community not attacking the other. NCR played a very important role in keeping the project afloat and will continue to do so. It is not an either or situation as many would like it to seem. All kinds of communities can coexist in Neos. Theres no reason why we cant have both crypto and non crypto people in Neos.

co-exist, re-union is our true value.

make NCR great again

make Neos great, its already great tho :)

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The first 6 paragraphs don’t even mention NCR. The hate campaign against me is going to contienue no matter what and I’ll be criticized for anything I do and anything I won’t do as well until I give full control of the company I created to someone who wants complete control.

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I won’t do that and I will continue to fight for Neos to be a welcoming place to all communities including the crypto one that made it possible for Neos to exist in the first place.

I really don’t get how crypto people and NCR doing good is bad for others. If anything it makes Neos stronger and better for everyone.

"community" ? the community nowadays ruin a 1b project which should be more open funny and free

u never wake up a sleep guy who is pretending ,sir

There can only be an amiable resolution if both sides are willing to reconcile and be reasonable. Karel has presented multiple options and all have been rejected by Frooxius. The only option the developers have presented is having Karel step down from his own company and detaching NCR as a 1st party component which is neither reasonable nor reality-based. NCR is equally as woven into the fabric of Neos as Frooxengine and is a necessary component for platform growth and revenue. Removing it is not an option. The sooner people accept that Karel and NCR are immutable and foundational parts of Neos, the sooner we can move forward.

The new trailer would be front and center part of the website if the people producing it would not be on strike and actually deliver it after years of paid production. I do what I can in the situation I am.

people dont like ncr can leave ,right nobody forces them

Beneficial how, there is almost an infinite number of third party tokens.

never happen NCR is NCR there never be a third party that's stupid

comto ncr 10$ 🧨🧨🧨🧨

I have fired Nexulan for blackmail, certainly not asking him for anything.

that's right NCR is meta-currency is neos

"3rd party NCR" is a euphemism for making NCR irrelevant to Neos while also attempting to placate and quell the crypto community. Not an acceptable end result.

please team don't argue here. investors are afraid 🙃

What split this is not how companies work.

You are saying total nonsense.

plz stop talking,thank u

What statement I said it to him directly. He was an contractor (usd).

pls

Legally there is no split and won’t be.

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it is business

Man, what do you want, you won't like something Karel designed

pls stop it

Again not how companies work. A group of our users not tolerating others is unfortunate but doesn’t have legal consequence.

pls stop it

cant u read it or not

Yes all of our communities not just one part. I would actually argue that Neos has to exist and be financially viable in order for Neos communites to exist around it. I’m very grateful for all help we got and are getting no matter what subculture it comes from.

Yes and it seems it is sabotaging further growth for it to remain so.

I am not, again I’m very grateful for all help we got and are getting from all users and supporters.

admin new listing yes?

Neos growing can be good for everyone, no reason why there can’t be all sorts of communities coexistung.

Part of what makes the Metaverse special is the diversity of cultures that co-exist in-world. When a userbase is too homogenous it hinders growth outside of that niche. As Karel said, Neos is for everybody and we should be encouraging all types of users to participate.

And it actually might be necessary in order for Neos to surviveand thrive long term.

And why aren't the owners of cryptocurrency the ones who supported the project with their investment, or do you just love yourselves and want bad for the cryptocurrency owners, man? I hope you stay away from these behaviors that offend you.

I very much consider all ncr holders part of our community as well as all creators and other users. There is no reason why one part of our community should dominate the other. Decisions should be driven by what is good for all of them. What is the downside of NCR being a first party to any part of our community?

Is this some communist agenda I really don’t get it man.

We are a company that has to be funded somehow, Neos is free for anyone to download and use what more can we do.

Again NCR funds saved Neos, wouldn’t exist otherwise.

I think thats is quite a lot.

How was the project financed for these years?

That’s not an actual downside, that is just people fueling hate towards others.

There is no functionality lost to Neos with NCR, it is just an additional feature nobody is forced to use.

If you were an entrepreneur and believed in it, and was attacked by volunteers for your own project, would you give up..?

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It’s a result of blackmail I didn’t cave to and a large hate campaign fueled by people who want to take control of my company. Not happaning Jack.

Well then I'm going to change volunteers and start staff developers for the project. Isn't that better

Jesus so NCR saved Neos and now we can throw NCR holders overboard? What a sick line of reasoning.

Okay my little take here.
I appreciate that this new website and approach, could never satify 100% of the audience. It is a visual shift but even more so on the information hierarchy side of things. There is a reason why Discord is not - for the moment - in the front and centre. Simply because it was turned into a raging platform where it was quite hard for people to have a normal debate such as the one we try to encourage in here - that’s why I keep drumming down that we try be considerate in opinion exchange, and polite, but this is up to everyone to do their part.
We would love for the situation to change and there is no reason why we could not bring that back once it improves:).

About the focus on the NCR first. I really don’t think this is the case. We have allowed a plenty of space for website visitors to learn about Neos and its features.
I do understand the point that there is not that much of a real-time footage and imagery but this is something we can now work on.
The important thing is - and a lot of people won’t like me for saying it, that the website converts.
New visitors need to be able to learn really quickly about what is Neos and who is it for.
That is why the three section - Neos for creators, Neos for communities and Neos for educators are quite high up in the scroll. Not after Neos Credits.
But again, Neos Credits play an important role because in a bigger picture, this is something that will help us grow and be profitable. Every business needs to be profitable. But it absolutely *does not* have to be at the expense of the community, as some people would have you believe.
As Karel, Tizzy and a lot of you have mentioned - it is really possible to coexist in harmony.
Everyone can use Neos for what they need or feel they love doing. Nobody will make anyone to buy NCR, buy land, buy whavever. And similarly, nobody should try to turn Neos into a niche community for the chosen ones only, because it is not either. Neos is overreaching and in time I hope we can let go of this constant fight crypto-vs non-crypto and actually build and enjoy things😊

I didn't invest 5,000 usd to listen to the discussion :) 😛

I definitely didn’t start with the antagonizing, just explaining how things are. Discord is heavily influenced by the opinions of a few people who control it. Definitely not open to all kinds of opinions.

I am usually on Neos every day, and also invested a lot into NCR. I even was asked by Nexulan to compose a soundtrack. (until i was 'fired' by him one week out from my deadline) I have put a lot of effort into my creations and met my best friends on the platform.
All I want is for people to stop fighting after everything I've read and heard.

Neos Discord is pretty great so it’s sad to see it being weaponized against NCR holders and myself. I like the positive aspects very much and hope the hateful part of it can be diminished over time.

If you search Karel's name in the Neos Discord it's pages and pages of scathing hatred. Any mention of him is immediately met with pushback, scorn, and ostracization. While it may be those things you mentioned, the NCR threads have also become an echo chamber of toxic negativity and there is no point in participating in conversations where people are not going to be having reasonable discussions in good faith.

I also hope we can stabilise Discord over time so it can be used to exactly what you have described @JackTheFoxOtter - help users, support, learn, have fun. But I think perhaps we can agree that at this stage, right now, there really is not a lot of love right now - from the current team and that influences a great deal everything else. A lot of people might feel like treading on eggshels whenever NCR is mentioned. New users should not be exposed to so much negativity. There is no need.

Well this is the reality of Discord

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I would very much like to do that again if it were not used to hurt the crypto part of our community. I’m aware of the fact that Neos is not friendly to newcomers and unfortunately that might be by design. Thats has to change.

Why exactly the poeple on Discord don’t like NCR, what it did to hurt Neos? What Neos features it took away? Let’s see some love for NCR on there and then it can be front and center no problem. Now it hurts a big and important part of our community.

Yeah it's no secret that the learning curve is steep, an a visual overhaul of Neos is overdue. I think the massive amount of users spawning custom dark-mode inspectors points out a desire for freshness in UI/UX everywhere.