It actually is an NCR issue as the Discord is being hateful to NCR holders. So yes you will get help there but you’ll also get told that Neos Credits are some evil token designed by the devil himself.

That has to stop.

The implementation of NCR is actually very friendly and non inteusive, very optional for any user.

ncr isnt mentioned outside the correct channel, new users normally ask for help

A person that might be interested in getting NCR is definitely getting discouraged in there from doing it.

Where theres immense hate towards NCR.

What negative sides? Jesus

Neos surviving thanks to it is negative? Or it being optional with nobody having to use it?

Mute him

Stop it

Don’t talk shit

It did make plenty way towards the developers, again with this BS

God

Plz stop

now imagine a new user joining now and its people telling others to get out and shut up

Anything wrong ？

surely you can work that out mate

How much u r paid ？

Tell me

You are blindly repeating some talking points you were told by people that spread hate towards Neos Credits and their holders.

Don’t talk to him

Okay let's keep it down the notch:) I think what @JackTheFoxOtter is trying to say here is not so much about NCR, but more their concern about the community and whether they receive adequate help and guidance. That is the fair point as Neos is a complex software with tricky UI:) Again something that would be great to be able to work on if we could shift focus from NCR love/hate to practical things.

They just make fun of u sir

We are very happy to work with people on improving experience of Neos. New UI will absolutely be the thing whenever we are able to push it through 😁 Perhaps those of you who are also concerned with the user experience on Neos could start slowly making sure that platforms like Discord are again a centre of constructive debate. That is something that has to come organically from the community and all of you. Not something we can force out. I would really love to be able to wake up sometime soon and see that people enjoy Neos for what it is and they are excited, not scared about its future. ☺️

I think Telegram and Discord are one thing. If you are going to get help in both places

It is not about the crypto people or the NCR. It is about the perceived one sided catering towards crypto only, as if that is the only important thing right now

If a new user asks, you will answer, right?

i dont see any hostility when new users ask about ncr on discord, they just get directed to the ncr channel

The website is not spreading any hate about non crypto users and use. It lists Discord. It is as friendly as it gets.

I like NCR and I want it to grow in value. However what I'm seeing right now it pushing it again and I'm afraid we are about to experience just another pump and dump again, if it continues like that

No hostility towards Neos Credits on the Discord? That is definitely not true

i said when a new user asks

There is a whole hate campaign going on.

Oh sure snd then the user gets to the ncr channel and then what?

Actually it's counter traction against another NCR pump. If the whole NCR thing could just shut up and go silent for a while until Neos recovered, that'd be nice

It very much is.

Working on Neos will give us a return on NCR. However for that Neos and the community has to grow first

I hope that hate is not spread here or on Twitter for NCR and Karel and I hope that investors or new users will not be intimidated

Thank you, one channel is better, and your explanation will be pinned to the new user in the channel, and this will be easier to reach

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I can't stand the anti-crypto atmosphere on Discord, so I'm only participating here. I've asked several times for hate comments about karel and removal of harmful threads like "neos without ncr", and the mod didn't even respond. I think it's better to remove all harmful posts and bulletin boards on Discord even now. I can't quite understand why the CEO, karel, doesn't have the power to delete the discord thread

Hey Karel just a note about the website, currently the page to display a succesful email confirmation does not exist

I think it would be better to remove the discord link from Neos' new home page or Karel to create a new neos discord.

Uhm... what?

we worked on fixing that this morning, can you please dm if this is still the case, thanks a lot 😊

wil test later!

let me show you what free speech actually means
https://xkcd.com/1357/

That'd be news to me

However, deleting stuff gives a bad image

but this doesn't have anything to do with free speech

True, however that isn't about free speech

I think we can all agree that dissenting opinions should not be silenced as long as they are conveyed in a civil manner.

That's what i think jacks core point here is

I am just disappointed at where PoW went and how PoS also has its flaws and like there seem to be no alternatives to public blockchain proofs, that don't consume endless resources or give power to those who own

Well, if freedom of opinion is an essential thing in Discord, why was the NCR channel closed and you made it into a branching topic? Isn't this difficult to reach the conversation between people and why are you attacked if you speak up for NCR, man, are you sure you are on Discord to say freedom of opinion is open there?

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I mean both the NCR positng and the general discussion positive or negative of current ongoings is relegated to threads so thart people who do not wish to engage with such have that agency

Theres nothing bad about PoS as the people who own some value on the blockchain are the ones most motivated to keep it fair and working as designed. How else can you secure a blockchain.

Honestly i wish TG had a kinda thread system to have a mroe structured system of conversation but thats just me

If you're a mod, you should pay attention to whoever posted the composite photos that make karel laugh. Also the mod should have stopped people mocking people who lost a lot of money by investing in ncr. Do you think that only posts that threaten someone should be removed?

And isn't this a channel dedicated to NCR, so why are the threads published?

I mean it's been said multiple times in the discord that make fun of people who lost money here is in bad taste because we all were in the same boat essentially. we all lost and theres nothing funny about people losing money.

Well, I hope this word reaches people on Discord

I mean this word is from discord so

And the disadvantage is that people continue to talk to each other in one conversation, like what we are doing now..?

The NCR channel was converted into a Hub for multiple ncr threads.
The chat in the ncr channel got way to heated that a lot of other discussions couldnt take place. Thats why there are now multiple threads with different topics, all in connection to ncr.
And the mods do tell to use the specific threads to talk about specific stuff, if it is going on in the wrong channels.

Yeah basically with everything being compounded as it is in TG its hard to have a coherent convesation espsecially when it gets more active

definitely possible but i dont blame anyone for being overwhelmed or intimidated by it

This is bad because this chat is for NCR so why is it closed..?

It is harmful to open the discussion and have the thread of messages exist like some chats on Discord

Its to direct conversations a lot better, for example we have a topic specifically for the price of ncr so if thats something you are interested in you open that thread.
We have a thread of memes so those dont clutter up the other ncr channels etc

specially when there are more people.

Just imagine it... here are now over 200 people, 40 online. If it would have the scale of discord with over 1000, then this chat would be nearly not readable.

Now imagine neos grows and we would be 10.000 or 100.000 in here. This channel would end up like a twitch chat of a famous streamer, unreadable, 10 messages every second.

Yeah its why i suggested karel to get some mods because with the TG now being advertised on the website we may have an influx of users in here

It isnt. The chat itself is archived. There are multiple threads now under the ncr channel.

I wish I knew how to. And those who own value are acting in their own interest, not in the interest of the blockchain

What is the difference between them..?

Okay so cryptocurrencies and their environmental and other impact - that is a huge and complex topic. Possibly for another whole separate channel. 😁And for sure would make an interesting debate. Turning it back to NCR though I’d say Karel always made sure the environmental impact is kept as low as possible. We care about sustainability. And it actually warms me that we are all participating on creating a platform that has the power to minimise the risk of commuting for instance, and therefore lowering CO2. You can read about it on wiki https://wiki.neos.com/Neos_Wiki:Environmental_Impact_and_Sustainability . Perhaps it would be a good idea to make sure the wide community understands and is also well informed about various positive sides of crypto, not just negatives. 😊 I agree it is still controversial for some. But nothing is just black and white.

They all talk a lot but it's not closed

Click on the # on top

Why is it not closed like NCR chat

It's hard to find a positive that is blockchain exclusive about something that isn't already solved otherwise

Their interest is to keep the value they have and for the blockchain to prosper, in order to do so they have to follow the rules that are set in the protocol that anyone can independently verify. If they would go outside those rules the things on the blockchain including theirs would have no more value.

It is a case of a common interest.

It's simply what ended up developing, it used to be open but then was closed and turned into a hub which has been working a lot more efficiently than the one threaded system it had before, General neos discussion thread usually doesnt need much direction and isnt too active either

the problem is, those who have stake in the blockchain are those who can make the rules

And those are older but still open threads. A loooot of information

splitting off NCR is very likely to kill it

As well is saying that Neos was supporting other tokens, that'd make NCR obsolete

Neos Credits are not going to be independent of Neos, makes no sense at all. Neos having multiple teams with their own competencies as with any growing company is for sure.

no ncr no neos

Something that doesn't seem to happen, at least from how things are looking like at the moment

karel，always support you

Are there any in game tokens , crypto currency, tradings , lands ?

in game tokens in Neos are NCR, KFC and CDFT. Each has its own function

🙏

Some people don't see the bright future of blockchain in web3

CDFT is as well a token, however it cannot be traded and it is converted to NCR with its success over time

The problem is that the people under Froox have completely overstepped their roles as platform developers and believe they have a say in the financial side of Solirax, when in reality that is completely outside of their job descriptions and purview. You wouldn't have a programmer at Facebook telling the finance team how to do their job, and it would be considered rude and unprofessional to do so.

I lost $1 million in ncr

Because some stupid people in the community are against crypto partners

Agreed

Why you say USD, I see reports that say he got paid NCR

I just hope that karel can stick to his point of view on encryption and make neos better

Confusion why he would pay in ncr but then sabotage

I have almost a hundred of invoices with USD on them. What evidence did you see exactly?

He did get paid in USD a lot of money and got very hansome NCR rewards as well.

And that's understandable within the scope and budget that directly relates to your team/involvement in a company, but we're talking about a core piece of the greater Neos economic system which is something that falls within the wheelhouse of executive leadership.

Froox actually decided where almost all funds went all the time. I would like to see your data saying otherwise.

Furries discuss it in chat. They say you remove his cdft coin

The reason why ncr takned were the intentional public tweets designed to do so.

Advice and manipulatively strong-arming him into stepping down via a strike are two very different animals.

good morning

at least for geenz, this here implies that he has sold after we dropped down from the ~10$ mark

not specifically when but just that he did

i lost 40000$ money on NCR.

really really disapointed!

Karel I hope you continue to develop and that new developers are hired

Personally i still have high hopes for neos

Not how crypto works at all, people dont sell everything at once if they dont have a reason like a founder attacking his own company and token. That’s like saying Bitcoin has to come down to being worth nothing again. It doesn’t.

I'd just like to point out that NCR was never an issue to the developers and community until Karel presented the 2022 roadmap in early January. I personally believe this is less about NCR being a problem and more about the others using NCR as a way to demonize Karel in an attempt to push him out of his own company (neither possible nor legal) because he started embracing his role as CEO after the NCR run last year. Up until that point they were able to co-exist because they saw Karel as more of a CFO or comptroller, but when there were expectations being placed upon them they pushed back.

I also believe the announcements by Frooxius were intentionally instrumental in sinking the price of NCR because they believed by driving away the crypto investors, they could de-platform Karel and minimize his involvement in the company. The fact that they are unwilling to accept anything other than Karel stepping down and decoupling NCR's official status speaks volumes about their intentions.

thats why i prefixed it with saying that at least for geenz we know if he did sell and a rough point of when.

Im not aware of anyone else stating such

Why would they

someone didnt sell the peak? im shocked. shocked I tell you

Yes I agree

dunno, just responding to luca with what we do have

well said

You say that supposed to go open source to fix issue? Now this change?

Is there update

Neos is going open source long term for sure. These are not exclusive things.

Yeah open source is a long term thing especially since currently we have a bunch of integral systems that either licensed incompatibly or questionably

kind of humorous to perform a self-fulfilling prophecy and handwave the blatant and malicious behavior to sink value as just "the way things are".

I've no doubt NCR would have swings in value as its always been a fairly illiquid asset... but 60% moves in a day after reckless announcements from devs is not a crypto thing.

yeah? If you want to. Like someone could have bought BTC for $.30 and "pulled out" at $8

Or you can hold or buy more. People don’t sell all at once normally.

and it may be shocking but peolle sometimes believe in these things, like the btc commu ity believes in its vision and some of us believe in decentralized assets and money in Neos

Buybacks are a reaction to the situation that we are in. We obviously wouldnt be doing them if NCR were doing better, it is this low as a result of sabotage.

One thing that i personally go by when it comes to invessting is that if profit is made i ensure to liquidate just enough that a net profit is realized in order to lessen possible future drawbacks

The point was to help stabilize the price of NCR as the mint is creating a downward pressure.

as early as December there were clear problems in the community. We had devs and their friends hinting at wanting to remove NCR or criple its role. If it wasn't like that, who knows, buybacks could have maybe stabilizes price at higher ranges and allowed the minting to continue

Neos development of course what else.

Yeah Neos Store was needed years ago and we still need it

Also it of course wouldn’t be sold all at once, that is a delacate matter.

NCR existed since 2018 and there still hasnt been effort to making a store. It just hasnt been allowed to be a priority for the devs.

I see. Well I'm excited to learn more about efforts toward a store platform

If the problem is with developers, why not hire more developers?

On the contrary, the increase in developers in order to result in increased creativity and new ideas

i mean adding developers is a slow process i agree but it should be larger than the scope of just friends of froox who play neos

If the work is slow, there is no harm in the increase in order to speed up the completion of the project map

Well thats sorta ignoring that Neos is a startup

maybe your startup has alot of backing or is already profitable.

It wasnt until very recently that Neos saw wide success and profit, but then the own volunteers sabotaged that spark as soon as it lit

so youre acting like an unprofitable startup between two friends living at one of their mom's home should be getting big fat san franciso tech yuppie salaries

^

Hahahaha man don't make me laugh

yeah well can you pay 12 people a salary with 27k a month (after taking out costs to run the damn service)? and have ANY room to grow the company?

We are very much looking forward to hire more people and give them good salaries now when we can. But also the people have to operate according to that.

well then the devs could have cooled down trying to make literal children sitting st home all day on discord happy by feeding then anti-crypto agreements and went toward the vision thst was literally throwing money in their face instead of pretending to be moral paragons?

and that 60mil number ignores that ETH was at all-time-highs peak in November and has dropped by like half its value. Even if a single buyback never occured.

I do not know what is the reason for continuing this discussion, and there has been a lot of discussion about this matter, or is it because there are new people on Telegram and they want to intimidate investors

Neos is an exceptionally ambitious project and I'm certain it will succeed

If I worked on Neos I wouldnt consider myself lucky to have colleages that sabotage the company's own warchest and my future as an early member.

What exactly? Would love to know 😄 Seems like creating uncertianity trying to tank ncr to me.

Yes

Why do you ask me, I’m not the one posting that BS

Being all mysterious

I’ve already told you what this is several times.

Are patreon rewards going to increase? I mean seeing as they were reduced as the price went up last year and now its kinda down :)

gotcha. Thanks :)

There is no third party thing, this is not how companies work. The company operates at it is. If Frooxius wants to exit he can try to find someone who will buy his share. That is it.

We need this hate campaign to end it is not helping enyone at all.

Nice website and artwork btw Karel. Hope you guys can sort things out ❤️

The art is pretty dope

How about you go and ask Froox. I have seen a hate campaign and a bunch of completely unrealistic proposals. Our lawyers have written a nice Memorandum of understandig saying that we won’t do harmful statements.

There is a nice way forwards but so far no takers. Nothing more I can do.

Would you want to be the one person refusing to sign? Sometimes there's pressure and a desire to not cause a rift at play.

Even so, I had a very similar experience.

So NCR holders are being made pseudo-hostages in this situation, because theyre saying they want us thrown to the dogs and they won't compromise on that.

Id rather it get sorted out legally because I'm not down with his shockingly abusive and childish third party proposal.

Better to go to court or let Froox sell his share

noone knows :)

Stop spreading fud last warning

I don't know what, or else you know what the court's decision is

This will be the court's decision and the legal papers will show who has the right

It is incorrect.

All of the code he has written for Neos belongs to Solirax/Neos yes.

Yes can you prove otherwise?

If Karel doesn't have the proof, why doesn't froox show it?

Presenting your deductions here as facts is spreading fud.

well Jack, if Froox owns everything and Solirax owns nothing but pay bills, Froox would have already taken all tho.

why are you censoring the time?

Yeah no this was like right now im keeping records of everything as uusal

Do you want me to share a legal case here with personal info what

That censored timestamps would reveal time zone

There's a reason, why it can be blacked out on a copy

no need for that. the IP problem seems to be very complicated issue. lets not speculate anything.

but surely Solirax owns neos

ah yeah good point

This is not public information and there is no reason why it should.

I'm afraid there isn't much needed if a chief shareholder creates code for the company

No companies don’t have to prove that. They only have to react to a legal dispute.

Not send legal cases to people on the internet.

Leave this sterile discussion and let's continue developing for neos and NCR

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go to Froox

he's also owner of Solirax

I don't know either, however it doesn't really seem to need a written contract. Well, actually I don't know

Just a clarifying question I thought of, which company specifically owns the code? Coredev? People may be wondering this.

Solirax Ltd I have stated this many times already

Ah yeah, thanks, i probably just hadnt seen it

Not the best optics coming from somebody with a moderator badge.

One thing that from a business perspective that gets a bit tricky, since we are working with major corporations and institutions who are doing a bit of internet research before spending money, is that
public disputes and childish critics on Twitter are tough to explain when our clients are doing a bit of research.

The entire NCR channel and subsequent threads are vehemently anti-Karel. It takes like 10 seconds of scrolling through to figure that out.

I mean i guess kinda lol, as usual ive been archiving everything said so theres been people observing every new message posted

And as we get later in the day and the americans arise theeres gonna be only more discussion

It's pretty normal that any code written while employed by a company is owned by that company

Yea same. Hard to say what sort of contract they had considering how all over the place everything else has been

upset makes everything convenient

im upset to Kal. He sucks.

Also intern code is throwaway anyway ;)

Haha we just tell the intern the code was great and we'll totally keep using it. And then get rid of it in the next commit ;)

They can contribute useful code but generally we can optimize it later. Internships are for recruitment, not contribution

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Then you have the other end of the spectrum where for example you have stuff like electrician companies that will actually make interns do work that they legally are not allowed to do due to the potential danger, its a really all over the place thing

Haha yea companies definitely take advantage. I'm speaking from the FAANG perspective where interns are highly paid for essentially an extended job interview

How productive do you think Frooxius would have been if he had to work a full time job, cook his own food, take care of his own house while he was working on Neos on the side?

Yeah makes sense. I've seen some scummy practices in my time XD

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Hello

How long have been launched?

Hello

Token or Neos?

token

For the majority of it's production he had non of these distractions or obligations interrupting his productivity.

can i buy token on dex?

/contract

I like how you focus on the least time consuming and least mentally taxing part of my example.

To me it is lack of centralization. My choice of Metaverse would have to be decentralized and using blockchain for asset and currency management - meaning minimizing the effect outside or any individual party could have on the Metaverse itself and anything inside it.

Without that my interest is greatly diminished and I'd treat such project as a normal game rather than a real Metaverse.

Im confuse. So I assume Karel say split company with fork open source but now he say no split?

I refer you to my response to Jack.

That might be correct at this time, yes

Everyone talks about how much Frooxius was able to get done in a short amount of time. This was only possible because he partnered with someone who was willing to remove all distractions and outside obligations from his way.

Yeah, for sure there are things to figure out but it will eventually happen

You know that narrative does not hold water.

Can we get update ? Open source fork for both Karel and CTO not plan anymore

Yeah, but you're talking of furries and they can spin things how they want 😅

They talk about open source so both team can work on fork

Open source is a long term goal its not something possible short term as karel has also said at multiple occasions

Karel say he wants to split too in document right?

But now no split?

The majority of the discord still believes Frooxius was literally inslaved.

And I imagine Frooxius is pretty happy with people thinking that.

Amazing

Separation of teams, possibly a new company. Not split of the existing one.

Spread too much fud.

Got a warning as well.

There was never even a chance to allow the funding from the ICO to go towards development, salaries, or otherwise. As soon as success showed up the team went on strike.

Yeah for sure, he is also sending the existing salary back to the company account every month.

For a long time we sent almost all of out money to volunteers to help them.

Yeah of course

The company is still sending it to him every month, same as the school he is an employee of as well. That is what the contracts say and they are not terminated at this time.

The discord likes to bring up a moment when froox requested a higher salery but was talked out of it. They use it as evidence of Frooxius being taken advantage of. How did that conversation actually go?

Can you stop the attack on a huge community?
Even when you want to attack a side here in neos, its not even 0.1% of the Furry community.

That was a very long time ago and we could not afford to give ourselves salaries. We are the owners and that is ok for some time. I feel we've been over this countless times and this is a waste of time revisiting these things over and over.

I'm not the one on strike blocking work getting done. I wish the stalling would end as well. Froox was offered a major salary increase now when the company can afford multiple times and the offer of course stands.

Froox and the rest of the team want Karel to step down from his position and take NCR with him. Neither of those things are happening, and they have shot down every other option. The ball is in their court and this deadlock is entirely on them at this point. If they want Neos to move forward they need to come back with something reasonable that includes both Karel and NCR.

And what's the thing that Frooxius has to offer in return to get the salary increase?

Having an actual timeline.

Allowing new hires to touch his code.

Accepting that some of his best friends won't be hired because they crossed the line.

how about the weekly contacts going these days? Karel between Frooxius?

is it still there?

Actually working towards having an in game marketplace.

who are you and why do you answer for Karel? I appreciate the intention to help out, however I explicitly addressed Karel with my question. However thanks for helping

I see all. I have read all. If my answers do not lign up Karel is free to correct me.

I don't think there are any conditions. I think stopping the strike, not hurting the company and ncr holders, continue developing Neos would be generally expected.

That sounds like too good to be true. Living with friends, having a high salary, going back to the old pace of development. Having a nice passion project actually paying out

yeah! dont understand what Froox is really wanting for

👀

hoping at least 1 comment from Froox this month

I don't get it either, so that's why I am asking, maybe I have the wrong idea about this

I think that is well deserved for a founder and developer of a successful tech company. Other than some unfortunate relatively recent behavior Froox did almost always very good work at Neos.

We need to convince Frooxius to reconcile

Isn't it almost midnight for you?

Sabotage incoming?

I really believe this is a case of Frooxius allowing others to get into his head and the decision to strike wasn't entirely done on his own volition. There were likely a handful of people gaslighting him into believing he was being victimized during a stressful moment when NCR was skyrocketing and the pressure to deliver was high. It really sounds like an opportunistic power grab.

I am a vampire.

Hhhhhh

yeah.. but since Frooxius barely says anything on public, cant tell yet

I still have hope that Frooxius can change his mind some day

Their aim is to justify the current attempt of ousting Karel, nothing else. They don't want to have a boss, they want control and to do things their way

Man, if he comes here, he makes himself the innocent who wants the best for everyone, and if he goes to Discord, he becomes the opposite of this

Which still could be a lawyers advise.

it could be as people say

noone knows anything about Froox really

nothing comes from his mouth

only his friends telling here and there

Hes yellow and his hair cycles RGB now

kk

i dont know his hair style

does he still like sunglasses?

well i was mostly talking about his avatar and on that at least he has no sunglasses

all i can see is his utube video

which is btw, the music at the beginning is kind of creepy

Have you not been in metaverse?

There should be VODs on the twitch channel

like please stop being disingenuous. Maybe you havent been on the receiving end there when you have 8 people talking down to you and acting smug to one another about it in a childish highschool clique manner.

https://youtu.be/jf2pFRSKdnc

this is uploaded 6 hours before.

the music at the beginning is little creepy for me

off topic tho

Froox looks happy

I'd also appreciate Frooxius himself talking openly with the community. It's been 3 months, if he expects to lead, he can't let others talk for him. As of now it seems his friends are in the driving seat

Hey guys what’s actually goin on here

Who’s frooxious

CTO and Current main Dev of neos

Froox happy surrounded by his friends, looks like a god

So froox did he run or did someone run away?

he just doesnt like to communicate with us directly. Hasnt really for months

Everyones still here

I'm afraid that discord might actually drive a lot of people away from Neos, even without the open hostility. Not sure how general population react to furries even on their best behavior

Oh I see I saw the coinmarketcap and was sayin bout rug so I was just afraid

Bullish bout this project guys

No one ran. The two main founders of the company are in a deadlock disagreement about the future of the company. Frooxius wants Karel to step down with little to no compensation. Karel refuses. Deadlock.

furries are a given with online games, evem if this game has alot. I just think anyone wanting to come in and fund it would see that the community and devs are hostile to the prospect a d would avoid is all

Yeah, I'm wondering the effect on general population. The furries are the most vocal and in your face when you're at discord

Frooxius and a large part of the community want crypto removed from the project. Karel refuses. Ownership of the project is split 50-50. Frooxius is the main developer and he and his team are on strike until Karel steps down and NCR removed from the project.

Edit: There is no good reason to remove NCR and there is no plan to remove NCR. Some people in the community just hate crypto and Karel.

it is not the fact

super bullish. but come back 5 months later

Which part?

Oh? what aspects for example?

Nobody want that though. Not even Karel. He seems to understand Frooxius has put a great deal of work and passion into the project. Replacing the dev team would be a last resort.

This is inaccurate, 300 is about the concurrent user count and we have plenty of non furs in the community, such as for example a lot of the members of the japanese community, Turk has his own discord going etc

Theres also has been not really any advertisement, all current growth is completely natural

The UI redesign as far as i remember was an upcoming item starting with the rework of the settings page

sure wanna chill together?

Don't forget the Japanese and Korean communities, which are not small in Neos

its pretty early still for US users but right now we have 173 players online

If you try to go to Neos and use it like VRChat, of course it won't work. It is in no way meant to work like VRChat

Integrating an entire development environment into a 3D social VR game is not a trivial thing. Neos's UX/UI issue is complicated because best practices for this sort of unique situation don't exist yet, which means a lot of this is experimental and trial/error.

It somehow calls for a user shell, that makes the development UI unnecessary for every day tasks

I think a native Unity SDK for Neos would attract a lot of VRChat world builders. Also bifurcating the user and creator UI elements so the default user experience is more akin to VRChat would help to make it more accessible. Those two things alone would have a pretty significant impact on user adoption and retention.

Yes VRC also actively did advertising and has a lower technical goal than what Neos has, we do not compete with VRC the purpose is completely different

We dont need an increase in users right now, we need more polish first

but ya pikey you coming online?

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What's with the recent pump

Buyback

Right now all movement is buyback

Many people buy at dip then sell after buyback

Buybacks make sense when you're buying back shares of a company. Buying back NCR is just a waste of funds.

Team about to run out of money

600 eth converted to usdc with 150 eth buyback

Half available fund

that, if you were competing with VRChat

So exit liquit

What a waste of treasury. Especially in a somewhat down market.

I dislike buyback because it doesn't allow investors to buy at low prices

Replicating UE editor functionality within a UE game is against UE agreements sadly

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new listing yes?

People will sell into it. Make short profit while team and long investors lose

🙄

Maybe its better to put some buy wall at lets say 20/25c instead of doing buybacks? Because karel is buying expensive tokens now. He could buy much more cheaper. And would be good for future as he would hold a lot of tokens

Yes agree

im forholding longterm so i agree

Put buy wall at 20c and if someone wants to sell so cheap - thats cool for future! So Karel

Because now you are buying expensive and losing money

im okay with no buybacks

unless there s something I dont know

People had the opportunity to sell at that price for some time, it might be time for NCR to resume growth

You cant hold growth just with buybacks.

Why do we want the NCR price to grow? Because it is way too low and we need to inspire others to buy and hold as well.

People should be interested to buy also. But now is opposite - mostly just sells into buybacks

Not time yet..

Low prices are reason to buy

It will grow over long term. Not worried about short term

Yes, just dont do buybacks for few days and check if price holds without it.

Dont waste too much money. Better do buybacks when price rise naturally

Once issue are fixed then buybacks if you want

It will grow large after announcement

Yes need to solve all problems first

I think NCR will grow when there's less uncertainty

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What we do know is that Karel has stated that he will not be stepping down from Neos (as the devs are hoping for) and that NCR will not be 3rd party. I think both of these things are incredibly good news for the token long-term.

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The best alert I got today, I hope the prosperity continues 😍

"Low" relative to what? End ICO, get on a real CEX and let the market decide the price.

Why more buyback?

Yes!

He saying put it on exchange and let people buy and sell to figure price

Small exchanges

Coinbase binance kucoin

Need to end ico

lol shit-tier CEXes

Kucoin doesn't require much at all. Listing fees are far less than has been spent on buybacks

Are you new here? My group held like 10%+ of the entire NCR supply and offered countless times (for free) to help with advisors, marketing, CEX listings, market makers, etc. and got ignored by Karel.

yup

Sadly that ship has sailed and we've all dumped anyway. Too much wasted on buybacks and sus behavior of new wallets selling minutes before liq was removed.

But now seeing how there was so much internal conflict I totally understand his decision to do things manually and control the keys himself.

Not sure if anyone else could've been trusted

Yeah, swap could be beneficial long term. Bring people in who're willing to have a boss, roadmaps and such

Does Karel still live with parents to save money?

Or did team get new office

The automation took surprisingly long to finish, now we know why

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No idea, probably not

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At least HSTS XFO and SRI should be added, I think

however, I wonder why the progress graph on the website doesn't reflect recent changes to the whitepaper

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Yeah, Im really relieved to hear this too

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Is this just based of the steam stats? Because most players are standalone quest users

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Hi, i sent some ETH to the minting contract address yesterday but haven't received the NCR in my wallet yet. How long does it take to mint?

1 minute

1 minute to mint??

oh gosh, does that mean i sent to the wrong address or something

i copied from the website exactly though

Check it on cmc

what's CMC

thanks, i'll need to wait another day then

thanks

It could take up to 72h. Also mind that minting gets you 1 NCR per approx $15 sent in as ETH

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Hello @Abby_rests thank you so much for supporting Neos. Please check your direct messages so we can figure out whether the transaction was processed yet and possibly cancel it so you can get more NCR on some of the exchanges for the same amount.

The market price is significantly lower than the mint price at this time so you can get a much better deal in the market.

Well done on the new website, it's great looking!

Thank you sirkitree, so glad you like it. We already got some good feedback on it and will be improving it further. 😊

Hello, CEO, why don't you do marketing in ncr? Your team is very good in technology, but I didn't see you do marketing

Your team is very careful and good at doing things. I am optimistic about NCR project and intend to keep it forever

I don't think Neos is ready for wide adoption yet, there are many issues with the UX and in some other areas. If you make a great user friendly product people will come, if you market something with usability issues it's money down the drain.

Sometimes I wonder if you guys are waiting for perfection.

If it’s true that you’re waiting for perfection, Decentraland and other metaverse MVPs will dominate.

The second row would be definitely preferred. Feels like we are on the first row unfortunately.

Perfectionism that never materializes is a problem.

The dev experience alone would be a good marketing angle. There simply isn't anything else out therer where you can get these sort of results in such a short amount of time. Nothing has the power with this kind of excellent rendering.

Bring in the devs, get it open source, and things will start to fall into place with some good open source management.

Totally, future large NCR price increases should be only a side effect of Neos success and wide adoption overall. The total amount of tokens is fixed (with 17 decimal places and more can be added).

As it currently stands, I can't even pay someone to get the features I need for my clients.

As open source, I could hire someone with the knowledge to implement a module/addon that could be utilized byt eh core system.

Frooxius will need to do some serious soul searching to determine if throwing away 8 years of his life’s work is worth it. Karel holds as much claim to the intellectual property of Neos as he does and his options are to continue working or abandon his own project - at which point the team could be replaced.

If you run a small bootstrapping company there are always problems to solve that seem huge and you can be sure even more are waiting for you around the corner. The solition is precisely that, believing the future is good, having a vision and working towards it. Always. You gotta stay optimistic no other way to do this. People that start companies tend to be optimistic otherwise they wouldn’t start in the first place.

But the problem should be solved

👍 totally

It's been a long time since this issue, and we still haven't seen a bit of your handling

there's only so much Karel can do when the other side isn't budging from their original position of booting Karel and NCR from the platform entirely

unfortunately it's come to a lawsuit, and that shit is gonna take some time

Looking forward to the day we’re gonna need those and will be primarily using Units (1/1000) instead of whole Credits. A lot of adoption and a lot more users between here and there though.

Im following this channel, and I see you, @Karel Hulec, is doing a great job at last with the community, always talking with ppl on telegram and being positive. Lets keep this positive energy always here so ppl can see NEOS is NOT dead. Thanks to that.

Are you guys thinking about a Fork? or will continue with same contract?

Iterations

You are looking to solve a problem. If the problem you want to solve is transportation, then start with something simple that do the work like a skateboard. The ideal product could be a car. However you can’t build a car from thin air.

you start small doing things that don’t scale, and you iterate, and perfect the product while users are using it and paying for it.

That’s why I say that neos is trying to build the car first. Neos is waiting to have the full product to launch to the mass market. In my opinion that’s a mistake.

applying the Lean Startup methodology you launch a minimum viable product, you observe, iterate based on user feedback, and repeat until you have the perfect product.

Nothing is true, everything is possible

But platforms like Decentraland and the Sandbox are using the lean startup methodology. They are making millions $$$ and getting a lot of valuable feedback from the users

That’s one point of view

We should take a look at statistics

Here’s the other point of view https://mackinstitute.wharton.upenn.edu/2018/downside-lean-startup-principles/

In my opinion Neos looks really mature. If you only change the UI/UX design and launch to the mass market you will have the best metaverse platform the world has ever seen. Frooxius and Karel would be floating in a sea of money.

Oh I agree

But they should launch

I guess there’s a lot of VCs in SV that would invest big $$$ on Neos.

You can see investments of $600M on metaverse platforms

One of the launches maybe :)

But a launch 🚀 to the mass market

Some companies have their on coins and have VC investment.

Their own*

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G'day Joey!

Helloo

:D

This makes sense in some contexts, but I would argue that it agile methods are not really the best way to approach an infrastructural project. I'd rather see a clean separation between Neos' core APIs and object/component model managed in a more traditional waterfall approach with client candidates tackled through agile iteration. We need a stable interface long term if we ever want to see implementation diversity in the form of multiple compatible clients, which at least to me is an obvious necessity to approach the potential of the 'metaverse' vision.

Honestly, I'd ideally like to see the API and object/component model spun off into an independent standards organization once it reaches maturity.

Business nomenclature

Humanity is very good at absolutisms

The game of life is very interesting

I just hope we never have the mess of a standards issue that USB had because that stuff took forever to resolve

So far, we only know work and approval came from Karel alone.

The only other person legally connected to the company is Frooxius and marketing does not fall within his job description as the platform development lead. Karel has every right as the CEO to autonomously make key executive decisions that do not fall within the scope of Frooxius's wheelhouse.

Is Chroma in charge of Mass Communications?

I mean regardless, the redesign of the page is pretty nice and modernized. Don't really see a problem with the change.

Yeah we know you came here looking for a petty argument. Pleased to inform you Karel is half the company. He's taking feedback on the site so send him yours if you actually care.

I took it as a jab the whole "just wanted to confirm it was Karel and not the ACTUAL company" comment

fine, I'm sorry, and I dont disagree with your feedback either

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DINNER!!!!

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