Firr is never going to answer that question, because when you can't answer without being right you just ignore the question.

I mean, the cheap NCR value has been helpful. Got 10GB for years now

Arguing is a colossal waste of time because in the end Karel will take back his platform and rebuild a new team of professionals that will make Neos everything it was supposed to be.

sO WhY HaS He nOt dOnE It tHeN

The patience that Karel has extended to Frooxius has been more than generous but Neos is too valuable to allow this to continue as is ad infinitum.

karel fixed neos ? $NCR went up 💪

wHy sHoUlD I TeLl yOu pErSoNaL DeTaIlS? aLl yOu dO Is iNsUlT Me. lOl

If you stop being a disingenuous douche I won't insult you.

you two shouldn't talk

Its already where it was before

ignorance...

This is tedious. Tizzy, i enjoyed talking to you about cyberculture. I know you have the ability to engage with more nuance then this. What the heck is this conspiracy theory drum you are banging on? It's reductive and insulting to a complex and human tragedy. Not to mention just willfully alienating to anyone who hasn't dawned the simplistic black and white rehtoric of us vs them. The chat is devolving into a bunch of flag waving and bashing.

I sadly cant sent a Picture of the graph in here

If you can't tell that was mocking then, I have no hope for you.

Its down to 0.35$ again

i try too could not

😮‍💨

That cheap? Hmmm... Could use more space...

https://www.livecoinwatch.com/price/NeosCredits-NCR?tab=1

At the end of the day the situation that we are in is a direct result of an ego-driven power grab by Frooxius the volunteers. The furries disliked that Karel (A non-furry outsider) began issuing orders around December and the devaluation of NCR was the product of their very public character assassination campaign.

It was close to 0.30$ before the buyback, and it is quickly heading down there again. Maybe a couple hours or days.

furry value dropped

it seems to me talking about how furries act, whether thats legit or not, is the most succinct way to illustrate how ugly things have gotten. It's hard to put into words when you feel a situation is so unfair like this

Its honestly not the fact thay they are furries

its that they are genrally smug, condescending, unlikable people.

Not true; Karel was helpful in resolving a failed transaction shortly after an event in-world, which I used to buy additional haptic gear related to the event. Any issues I've had were based on current decisions, not just out of the blind

I've met plenty of dope furries, but there is a reason the furry fandom has a bad wrap. And that is that the fandom on average definitely draws in more people like that

I agree that I've seen that kind of condecending exclusionary behavior in other cultures. It's just particularly ugly when its got this whole backdrop of justifying defrauding so many innocent shmucks.

No, im literally calling you guys out for being literal unlikable HUMAN BEINGS

This is also why Neos has a user retention problem outside of their demographic.

Eh more of a Putz. A Putz makes a bad deal. A schmuck signs a bad deal with their own pen.

Oh hands down. Every time I bring up Neos to someone who has at least tried it once, one of the reason is "I couldn't stand the talking to the furries there, or the furries there were dickish, stand offish, etc."

...no. Most people don't get to see the financial side of the platform because of bugs or other issues regarding operations

this has fuck all to do with what anyone is talking about

User retention has nothing to do with the financial side.

animals..

Pretty much everything. If people don't even bother to stay on the platform long enough to notice that even has a currency system, then the financial side of the system doesn't even matter

Yeah sounds like I'm blaming the funders for being simple when really they're not at all at fault for this stupid drama. But I have to love the attitude from the team being like "hey its your fault. That's crypto!" after they caused the situation

No we are not scape-goating I literally talking about you and people like you. Not all furries

more furry standpoint again

Orc, i appreciate the attempt to rationalize the rehtorical device, but it's clearly fucking with discourse none the less. You've been mostly politic about your opinion, but I've watched just a shit ton of furry bashing and personal attacks over the last hour.

i dOn't tHiNk yOu'vE EvEr aCtUaLlY TaLkEd tO Me sO HoW WoUlD YoU KnOw

I literally spoken with you on here several times to my own mental anguish

furry belong in zoo cages

And no one is just blaming it on "just that" hence the term "ONE OF THE"

Apparently I have mis-typed that in my other comment, I edited and corrected it and withdraw this comment

It's naïve to think that what is happening isn't directly impacted by the insular furry groupthink. It's unlikely we would be in this situation if the volunteers were a group of industry professionals.

Then you are very naive. There are many factors that have resulted in some problems. If you honestly think it is strictly just one particular group, then that speaks volumes about how you actually are trying to handle the situation, namely how quick you are to blame one singular thing as the root of of all problems

Yeah industry professionals are not dumb enough to provide their skills for free as volunteers, nor are they dumb enough to publicly shit the bed like they did,

Neos has a lot of issues. Almost all platforms do. I'm not saying that Neos is some perfect snowflake, because it isn't.

She isn't blaming a single thing, but she is absolutely right about how the "team" has conducted themselves. Being a Neos "dev" has become a toxic prospect outside of Neos

I have a hard time passing up the bad behavior or low blows admittedly.

$NCR fine without devs 💪

We have some agreement there. But that blame does not lie on one side or the other.

furry coop sound good as zoo

atleast admit the discord was acting like it was a cryptobro coup.

If the volunteers wanted to be reasonable they would be open to negotiations with Karel, but instead they've chosen an all-or-nothing approach which has put us in this 6 month long deadlock. This situation is 100% their doing and could have easily been remedied by reaching some sort of middle ground.

You equally know that the same could be said the other way around. And before going after me for that one, that was the one that was actually in support, as I'd actually had a few people in world who were entirely in full support of NCR and other cryptocurrencies. I don't know if it's still up, but the blockchain museum was actually very neat

the gold names in discord were all in on, and still are, on the same rhetoric. "we don't want to have to deal with those people and the problems they bring anymore". when talking about THE VERY FUNDERS FOR THE PROJECT

or, if its a contentious point... the people who perceived themselves to be funding Neos or investing in it, whether those funds did or not, or would have if not for all this

Everything? No not everything but that was definitely the end result that led to this whole debacle. Those "volunteers" should have been more professionally managed directly by the CTO who really acts more like a lead developer than anything else.

The hubris required to make claims like that about the CEO / co-founder of the company when the volunteers aren't even contracted employees is beyond delusional.

It's also more than enough to open them up to civil suites after all of this settles.

well it's the exclusionary behavior you keep talking about, how its a certain group of problematic people so its OK to defraud them and then come in here and gloat about it

I still remember Geenz coming in here to show his ass

and to be fair, although I like the cheap insults because I guess I'm raised on them and think theyre funny, I dont want to make it about furries. that is to say I dont want to engage in the same behavior

As long as people weren't calling the community aboriginals i was generally fine with them. Crypto-adjacent folks got the short end of the stick being that the crypto boom brought in the unwashed and weirdly racist masses.

When I say furries I am pretty much talking about that team and their hardcore defenders I talk to Furry users in Neos on the weekly who think they are shitheads. This is why she says the word Cabal, becuase its literally a small group of people who are united in some close proximity to promote their private views or interests

Racist in what way? Legitimate question

Calling the community aboriginals. E.G. "those dumb (toned down) aboriginals voting against [ending the ico/staking/burning]" There are some let's say mildly problematic colonial implications there.

The anti-Karel contingent actively contributed to creating negative sentiment and a panic sell situation that resulted in NCR losing almost half a billion dollars in value - and then proceeded to gloat about it. These aren't fake numbers in a video game - we're talking about a catastrophic loss of real world value followed by demands for the CEO to step down from his own company. I think it's reasonable for investors to be upset, and it's why I will continue supporting Karel and Andrea.

That is pretty racist. How many people said that?

Many of them can barely speak English and they're probably not very well educated. Not that it justifies how ugly they act but.. imo they hurt our grievances more than helping them so I guess it evens out

The devs were talking in the discord long before then

maybe someday I'll dig through transcripts and document things

I saw three in my engagement. As in three separate users who would use it frequently. Which was just weird to me because I don't usually see aboriginal used in that context. It had me thinking it was either new *Chan culture vernacular or otherwise noteworthy as a specific linguistic quirk (e.g. machine translating something like 'natives' to 'aboriginals'). The first person who said it had a Mandrin name, but the other two were typical handles.

So three people. Now whose scapegoating?

also fuck those three people in particular

Uh. It's just the incidents that are most memorable to me because of their strangeness. Plus my point was literally that these incidents stacked the deck in terms of public perception to crypto because of just the sheer numbers of new people, not inherent commentary on crypto-adjacent folks.

I'm willing to accept that, but I think thats a hard sell across thr pond over in discordland

Just like some furries public behavior and social ineptitude does the same. I.e. not compartmentalizing aspects of their particular brand of fandom from their professional identity

Anyway look forward to slinging mud at each other again in the future, but I have to get ready for my Mother's day plans

I've moved beyond trying to reason with the people in Discord. They want Karel and NCR gone - and neither of those are on the table as options. They've created a us vs them situation with their inability to find common ground.

Sure. People would likely draw the same lines if there was a massive influx of furries into a small NFT discord who mostly ignored the server norms.

Well, nor even mostly. Just a significant minority.

It's sort of the archetypical problem of rapid expansion.

Well... they've already smeared you there so....

I'm betting thats a large factor, but I think an unstated by large element is that greater online discourse on crypto among younger people is a shitshow... so here comes the people you despise coming into the community and I dont think any of them could just keep it in their pants and let them be contained to a channel

Does this mean we wont be getting a response to what some asked about future graphics updates? I'm trying to understand what the issues are, but you dropped by with a paragraph of undetailed claims

There are definitely people who don't care about the circumstances and just want NCR gone. But you look at the history of some of the more recently inflammatory posters and there is a different story. BuisnessLawyer was still accepting NCR for his work and paying in NCR through this year. Hell, i bought his series with NCR in March.

A lot of the long term players are also long term NCR holders. The most vocal about the situation, are talking more from feeling betrayed. It's hard to argue that we didn't get pump and dumped. I'm still sitting on ~1.7k NCR that's a pretty sizable reminder of that :P Not to mention a bunch of CDFT that i doubt I'll ever see paid out at this rate. A large number of those voices were the NCR economy in NEOS. Even the small one we had is gone now.

And like, that is entirely because NCR got too big for its own good. All the safeguards broke and it crashed and burned. No one will accept it anymore even for the novelty, even though it's worth more than when we actually did stuff with it.

So it goes. I don't blame anyone for the collapse of our tidepool NCR ecosystem. I instead blame the inexperienced design of some amateur finance and the bad luck of being discovered too early to bandaid.

NCR was coin that was 200x smaller than Ethereum but has 2x liquidity

Many people see this and make smart trades to dump

Team only put final mark on ncr administration of ncr was biggest factor of pump and dump

To follow up with this, I had tried selling NCR back when it was much lower in value back then, just to improve my experience with the system. Even with the lost amount (RIP ~800 NCR) and some given to friends so they can have larger storage space, I still have a sizable amount. Hell, I even still have tokens from my old job back when I did work on a blockchain based system. Saying a party is strictly against NCR, when many of us have been actively using it long before the recent events, doesn't add up.

Here's something we can all agree on! We all like money!!

Whatever you guys say. I guess I'm supposed to pretend that for months and well before Froox thought it was okay to tell NCR holders that they were up for being dropped into Karel's lap, there wasn't pointless ideological vitriol begging for the crypto element to be removed, and plenty of mod interaction with those notions, creating whole "brainstorming ways to remove NCR" threads as if they weren't passive attacks on people's financial wellbeing at that point

I can atleast admit or agree it's more nuanced than that and maybe some of those individuals we're okay with the thought of a decentralzed currency inside Neos

and it was obvious that many of the voices were just friends of the devs and their opinions were being taken as the "true" opinions of the goldnames.

Not once did they ever voice something in the last 6 months like "listen, NCR is a part of Neos and we just have to accept it" or anything positive like that during the past 6 months that I ever witnessed. Instead it was more them constantly offering legitimacy to voices that wanted to fuck over the funders

Id certainly agree that its not so black and white, but it's more that one side was treated like an unwanted, dirty side effect (that they mostly seemed to benefit from personally) than something legitimately worth defending, and all that came to a very obvious and predictable statement on March 4th that I still feel was incredibly damaging, needlessly so, to those funders.

And for what little it's worth I care so little about my pittance pf NCR, which is still well in profit anyway, but its the principle I just can't stand to see

I still, even now, don't understand why NCR holders needed to be pulled into this drama anyway other than maybe the team is spiteful or isn't willing to adopt them as a hassle... which flies against the notion constantly being pushed that Karel does nothing for the project

in this environment it'll be at worse spun as crypto's fault. The intricacies and details don't matter. At most it'll end up on the "web3isgoinggreat" website in some massively slanted article

They want nothing less then Karel to be put in jail. That is how much they hate him. They regularly post about it in the discord.

Its lost all meaning at this point. complaining about karel is like a hobby

So is it true that Geenz is considering making his rendering engine he was originally making for neos open source? If that is true, then wouldn't that be an indicator that litigation is not going in the volunteers favor?

why don't we check the times? When did his selling occure on the chart? and when did Froox's annoucement to make NCR third party come? and when did the price dump occure?

nice attempt at misinformation

Yeah "had" to say something. Well he said more than wanting to have his signature removed

there's a thing called being "opportunistic" specially when youre wanting to subvert your cofounder and cause financial damage

Isnt it? because the price was going up or was relatively stable while this person was supposedly dumping

The attempt to lay the March 4 NCR price dump at Karel's feet is peak misinformation

there's plenty of things you can lay at his feet, but the fact that no one is willing to lay a single instance of reckless behavior at Froox's feet says alot about the bias we must constantly wade through here and there.

like everyone? Funny this person you like to cite waited to do his REAL selling only after Froox made his 6PM announcement

freaking out huh? You were trying to say this person caused the March 4 dump, and by extension that being Karel's fault

When the dump didn't happen u til directly after Froox made his announcement.

Can you show price backing up your statement? All youre really doing (besides moving the goalpost) is making actions look more and more collusive by the community and the damage slandering a cofounder did while helping absolutely no one

The volunteers have created such a devout group of furry zealots around their anti-Karel crusade that nobody on that side is willing to concede or allow for rational nuance/negotiation. Make no mistake, this is a power grab and they will do and say anything if it means they are able to take control of the platform without Karel and NCR involved.

Froox says he had the whitepaper for approval for somewhere around a day before it was published. So its rushed?

Sounds like Karel gives a shit about the holders where Froox sees them as acceptable collateral damage

resolve? you mean accept the terms to go third party? lol...

Yeah well... we can already see what thr market thinks about that idea.

if it was a mistake, why did it need to result in a financially damaging statement from Froox? Isn't it so nice that you can act without responsibility and then point the finger to someone else when it causes pain? Thats not at all what we call "oppertunistic" is it?

we've delt with your shitty rhetoric for well enough time. Isn't it a pain to get lumped into a group and made fun of?

Rhetoric sucks huh? Maybe if there were mods who actually prevented things from falling into name-calling pettiness over on the discord and... oh hi Cyro.

yeah and I guess it falls on you to decide who are the ones whp forsake all else?

In the real world of finance, company executives have an obligation to create and maintain value for shareholders. Karel has been acting in the interest of those who believed in the project and supported it financially as a CEO of a corporation typically would - unlike the unrelenting sociopathic dismissal and even celebration of the loss of value from the Discord zealots. People in this chat have a right to be upset.

and these guys seem to not understand that the devs being dismissive to their own token is something holders have observed for months in the chat.. and they don't seem to understand how that has an effect on price

The ICO was the entire capital raise mechanism and both Froox and Karel agreed on this early on to avoid giving up autonomy to venture capitalists with large equity stakes.

Maybe we arent, but one of the cofounders seems to appreciate us as if we were. Are we supposed to just take free money and tell people to fuck off "oh um, sorry sweety, you dont have any rights. Thats crypto!" like theyve been trying to say with glee before shit got alittle more serious

that was just a short time dip that recovered fully in short time

NCR might not be Nasdaq listed or subject to SEC regulation but people gave Neos a vote of confidence with their money with the hope that it would support the growth of the platform and their money along with it. That sounds like an investment to me.

we're talking about the March 4th announcement dump, of which price has yet to recover to those levels (around $1)

March 4th, the price actually went up

And this is the unhinged meme that the furries keep repeating to justify the catastrophic loss of value. It doesn't mean it's ethical or right to sink the value.

It did, early on when Karel posted the new whitepaper. I dont know if buybacks were involved too. But later that same day the price has its single largest percentage drop after Froox made a public announcement denoucing the whitepaper using his signature and stated that hed been trying to abandon NCR as a third party token that they would wash their hands of.

shouldn't have posted a white-paper then that wasn't approved by Froox

this whole argument is trying to bury my pointing that out whole trying to lay blame for the dump at Karel's feet.

3rd party NCR is a euphemism for soft deprecating NCR entirely because at that point it would have absolutely no relevancy to the platform. What gives NCR value is the proprietary nature of it in relation to the Neos platform and eventual marketplace. It's not an option, and according to Karel is never happening.

Heh, this is what we mean by the childish behavior of the devs, where they have no respnsibility as long as they can point a finger at Karel and then behave maliciously. And we're tired of this childish bullshit.

we know, but yet even still we have to endure constant attempts at trying to gaslight people into commiting financial suicide so that Froox and his friends don't have to do some extra work.

well its partly to blame. Kulza was asserting that the March 4 dump was caused by some furry dumping in protest of Karel... when we proved that it didnt have much affect on price.

I could accept that it mattered for sure, but the intent is to mask Froox's intentionally reckless behavior as not his fault

he annoucned that he has sold all his NCR 12 hours before the wall fell (from Froox's announcement

The thing is this just proves my point... Dogmatically we are not allowed to lay even one single act of recklessness at Froox's feet...

no no no, lets try to wrangle this all into Karel's lap

"oh shit someone made a post that makes sense!! hurry fuxking lets get to work!"

I see, you don't get it

I may be wrong about the intent, I do believe, and I think youd agree, part pf the aim is to use this misstep to undermine Karel

And the percentage difference was huge... The percentage difference that day is masked by the full depth of the chart

its perhaps NCR's biggest percentage loss in a single day, ever

I could be wrong about that last part, but can you find another day NCR's price fell by some 70 or so % in a single day?

within that 24 hour period since the announcement

As one of the discord regulars said: "it was glorious"

It went from 1.12 to the low 20-cent range.

so like, 80% in a day..

sad thing is when I searched $NCR on twitter, it was mostly Japanese shocked and confused by it

many of the Japan players hurt for investing in the game they liked

You absolutely have no point with where youre going with this.

10% is A LOT

You....

Rofl. An attempt was made.

It is not at all misleading... the opposite is what is misleading

Using USD value is what is misleading, numberwise... Percentage is the only pure way to look at it like GODDAMN

you can put whatever you want into it.

If you only put $1 in NCR and it goes down to 1 penny, you can be like "i only lost a buck, lol"

but 99% down could mean millions lost

If NCR is at 20c, it needs to go up 5 times its value to get back to a dollar

now you tell me... is 5xing your money not massive?

so is reducing your value to 1/5 of what it was not extremely damaging?

so whats the more pure way at looking at health of an asset, its percentage movements usually

its fine, when it comes to an individual and how they were effected it seems the best way imo

when the value shrinks heavily the percentages stop mattering as a perspective as much usually to the individual

These people are complete morons

The NCR/ETH chart doesn't actually look too bad. With all the price craziness in crypto right now I think it is going to be best for my mental health to value NCR in

To value NCR in ETH rather than dollars

It's not looking great but it looks better than NCR / USD

I'll consider it

The prices were going up before meta made their announcement. The prices have gone down lower than they were before meta's announcement. But, the NCR / ETH chart is looking like it could maybe be quite hopeful if we get into a bear market for cryptocurrency in general. NCR looks like it could outperform ETH in a crypto bear market.

"metaverse" tokens were going up steadt before, NCR actually lagged behind other tokens in the category actually

Yes they were going up but if was the Metaverse rush that caused the spike in minting

its like everyone scrambling for metaverse exposure

Not entirely a scam, but it was dishonest and as I have warned... Any more mis-steps by the team here are likely to anger the SEC. They are kind of obligated by this point to keep it as a 1st party option and deliver on the roadmap they provided. That doesn't mean they can't move away from it, it just means they have to move away from it tactfully in a way that will not hurt investors, and making sure they fulfil their obligations.

There was a smaller surge before that

He did? Where?

Lots of pro-crypto furries here who can verify to themselves that they have indeed seen the team turn around and take on an anti-NCR stance having previously been supportive.

Most of the furries I know from Neos were also very pro-crypto and pro-ncr. Sucks to see all the disappointment and hurt in what is probably a larger but less vocal portion of the community

I mean ask me anything because I'm taking multiple viewpoints on these issues. And I wish both Froox and Karel the best and fully support their work while also being very openly critical of both their actions, in good faith to wanting to see things go well.

And in my constructive critique coming from a professional perspective I hope I am still viable to be part of that team

It is easy to become mad in this issue because you have to understand real people with real lives have suffered as a result of this and anyone who appears to side with a portion of the community who has nothing to lose dehumanises them and makes them feel like there is a coordinated attack on their financial wellbeing justified by "you made an investment and lost"

You have to understand something here. Take a moment to reflect on the fact that you are consciously aware of having this conversation. You have your own struggles, worries and hardships. Your own difficulties to face. Your life is complex and full of unfolding events you experience as a living person.

Everyone in this chat is the same. Imagine that they with their own complex lives are experiencing what you experience as you sit at your screen talking to them. Conscious awareness and a complex past and present unfolding to go with it. But on the other end as they sit at their screen talking to you.

Now imagine that a group of people part of the government of your country suddenly started trying to cut off your national currency and the population all became politicised and started bashing the national dollar and your money became worthless.

useless words

There are deep politics to this issue and real people have had their financial wellbeings directly hurt by people who they thought had their best interests at heart but totally ignored and invalidated those interests.

I imagine they feel just as hurt by the vocal part of the Community and the Neos team, just as helpless and powerless as everyone who was not a trump fan felt as trump was being elected, and feel just as strongly that their best interests are being attacked.

So you will have to excuse them if they act salty towards someone expressing critical sentiment that appears to follow the mentality of the same group they feel is attacking their personal wellbeing.

People are affected and hurt by this.

Yes because Ethereum has fallen significantly.

Please for the sake of your mental health if you are going to look at charts look at the NCR / ETH chart not the NCR / USD chart

Remember NCR is based in Ethereum so the NCR / ETH chart matters more, and Ethereum is guarunteed to go up in USD, so watch for the price action in NCR / ETH if you are looking for an opportunity to salvage your dollars, ETH is probably going into a bear market this year or next year which presents a powerful opportunity for NCR to gain traction.

I'm not a financial advisor but buying the ETH dip that will come, using NCR, is probably going to be advantageous.

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/neos-credits/eth

Ethereum value has dropped that's why

I feel like we won't see any new team members until after the legal battle has concluded but I have hope that after the storm things will start to improve in one way or another

The Neos Team could use a few more Empaths.

It's hidden by steam even

You seem to think that a furry cannot be an industry professional. It's just that industry professionals are professional enough to be aware that it is generally best to seperate their furry persona from their professional career so you don't even realize that they are a furry as well as an industry professional

Let's not point fingers at furries please. You talk of being an industry professional, please don't take this the wrong way as I have only the best intentions, but aren't you a fursuit maker? It is probably unwise as a professional to point fingers in a heated and quite political issue, towards your own customer base.

keep talking no one answer

time wasted

$NCR is nothing without Neos. Don't forget that there is a functional platform which $NCR is based around.

No one has to answer. The important thing is that what I am saying is visible. People can read it. And think.

Fact is, for $NCR to succeed, Neos needs developers. What would be the best outcome here is that Neos continue to be developed and more industry professionals are taken on board who are solely focussed on the work.

Plenty of development needs to go into Neos for $NCR to reach its true potential.

And they need an actual marketting strategy also. They need ways to generate revenue on the platform. And if they channel that revenue through $NCR, good things will happen.

If they do not seek to generate revenue, the platform will outgrow its financial means, and then it will be a bubble, and the platform will collapse, and the token will collapse.

Sometimes you actually need to focus on creating profit, which is usually not used primarily to benefit the customer, but it can be used that way, and should be used that way, and is required in order to provide the best experience for the users.

Luckily I know a thing or two about creating profits, while maintaining strong empathy for the users and a working knowledge of how to create a positive experience, and when the focus is on what is best for the customer, and profits are being made, that naturally has very positive economic outcomes ^^

Not coop. Coup, pronounced kue, it's french and it means a rebellion against leadership.

Correct

Going on a knowledge of what has been said in public statements and what has been said in the NCR section of the Neos Discord, what Tizzy says would appear to be the case.

this user say team was good team, dream team in discord at all time high now they say volunteer

I said Neos needs a good team.

There are good developers in the team who have done good work building the infrastructure of Neos itself. Frooxius and Geenz especially. Frooxius practically built all of Neos by hand. Which is a fact which cannot be ignored.

I am saying they need to take on more professionals who are able to handle the more professional aspects of running a business and creating a platform.

Where is the marketing guy? Where is the corporate management structure? Etc.

Just saying, hiring someone with skills in multiple fields including the more corporate fields, as well as the more development focused fields, who has a solid marketing strategy and is interested in seeing both Neos and $NCR thrive... Would be advantageous.

I should send you my resume Karel :)

It isn't a furry problem, there are numerous problems, but being furry isn't one of them.

What I said was that professionals keep their furry life and their professional life seperate.

In this case, the CTO who does not have a working knowledge of internal management or corporate affairs might have been best to hire an assistant with technical skills in the relevant fields but also has a working knowledge of managing a project and its team members and conducting corporate affairs in a professional manner that is going to be advantageous for the platform and promote its longeivity and success...

And offloaded the management tasks that a CTO is normally responsible for to that person, as an executive assistant.

Their marketting strategy is lacking. I'm not saying it's bad. But it is lacking and it requires more substance to it that comes from a professional knowledge of the art of creating profits.

Which I would hope will be used mostly for the purpose of growing the platform in a way that is good for its users and benefits them as in the long term, that benefits both the company and its customers.

Sorry but he just doesn't have the relevant skills, it's not only about experience, it's also about the mentality that is applied to putting knowledge into practice and Frooxius just is not interested in the more economic, corporate aspects of things.

you post long message to me when my message is not talking to you

Correct, that's why the primary focus ought to be on making the platform a more user friendly experience with tools and ui features that are streamlined and designed to simplify the process of getting into Neos and setting yourself up to get up and running using the platform for its most common use case.

Things need to be uncluttered and de-complicated. The advanced features should be left in, but they need a higher level layer where things are simple and easy to use if you are a new user with no technical experience using development platforms and you just want to play it as if it were VRchat.

Neos has potential here with its built in engine because it can get the leg up on VRchat since you need to do stuff in unity to get up and running in VRchat which is complicated for most users, but VRchat's advantage is that you can have other people do the Unity stuff for you.

Neos can be so much more simple because if they tweaked things a bit, and I suggested this to probable prime, you could have an avatar system that is much easier to use, since right now it is too easy to mess the process up and you can't get good working previews, and it is entirely missing automation that can result in an easier user experience.

But I'm getting sidetracked from the primary focus and drifting more towards something that still requires a little bit of setup when ultimately, the process of getting started in neos should be as simple as humanly possible.

This is a group.

All I'm saying is that they need more Professionals like for example Frooxius hiring an Executive Assistant.

And the way in which Frooxius has approached things and many of the Team approached things is fundamentally unprofessional, with people in management positions who have a working knowledge of how to run a successful business professionally, many of the problems that have arisen would not occur.

I know and I have said this in the past. It is more of a competitor with Unity than it is with VRchat but the fact is that there is a market for people looking for VRchat in Neos, there are eyes watching and new users being gained and lost and ready to be had. That demand can be filled by giving users looking to Neos for a VRchat like experience, as well as people looking to Neos for other reasons, an experience that gets them set up and ready to use it for basic use cases

Fulfilling that part of the demand would be advantageous and as things move more towards creating a way for creators, designers, developers and the like to monetize their creations, that also gives them their customer base right there, instead of them having to try to sell only to other creators.

It is a competitor to far more than VRC but it can be effective as an alternative and competitor to VRC and that's where a lot of the demand is that will benefit the people who wish to use Neos to its full potential as a Metaverse Engine

The mentor program is a band-aid fix. There are more fundamental things which are required.

And the common user should not even have to touch logix.

Of course in regards to that, that is more of an issue for creators to tackle, working with logix so that others do not have to, but again. Much needs to change to fulfill the needs of the most common use cases in as simple and user friendly a way as possible without requiring help from a mentor.

Also as far as creation goes, that can be streamlined too. There are a lot of ways you could use a blender plugin for example, which they should do. Make an official blender plugin. But even that is a band-aid fix as it sort of violates the principle of being able to do everything within Neos. Luckily Blender is open source and perhaps with a Blender plugin and a reverse plugin to Neos, it might be possible to do something like running Blender into Neos, which is tricky, and will require some thought on how that might be done, but if you could have more interactability between the two platforms that brings us closer and closer to the Metaverse mindset, and the functionality of a Metaverse Engine.

True

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There is an inventory searcher, but that searches the whole of Neos rather than just your own inventory. And it doesn't always work, updates break it, sometimes it breaks for no reason.

Getting ideas with web socket stuff... I recently set up a server with a hypervisor... I wonder...

Hmmm I wonder indeed. Could send coordinates maybe? The logix exists on Neos' part on plugging blender into Neos and editing at least the location of certain assets in real time in Neos, but I'm not sure how much there is that you can do with that, but for example...

Oohhh... Yes... You could update models in Neos with a blender plugin and work on things in blender and click a button to have your model update in Neos, move assets around in Neos by sending data via websocket, but that's blender to Neos. Useful. But there should be a way to go both ways and do Neos to blender perhaps move some of the blender UI into Neos somehow or stream the VR view environment or... Something...

That's almost an idea :V

Because if Neos is referencing and trying to grab a model file, looking for it every time it recieves an impulse over websocket and being told what model to grab via websocket and when you hit the button blender first export the model to the file being referenced...

But that doesn't fix the issue with textures and armature...

But!!!

If you can use websocket to grab an entire developer tool via github!!!

How did he do that???

You can build from github within Neos!!!

YOU CAN BUILD FROM GITHUB

WITHIN NEOS!!!

Do you realize the potential that holds???

See THAT is some powerful functionality right there which is being underutilized and there is so much potential development that can be put in utilising that which can make Neos WAY more of a Metaverse Engine than it already is!!!

as powerful as the concept may be, the issue to remember is the practical use of it. If the 'outside' editor was made such that people were happy, then yes it'd be an improvement. The fact it is doable also is a bonus.

I'm wondering how to improve the interactability between Blender and Neos.

Ideally what I'd want is to run a VR instance of blender inside Neos with its own viewer (which is possible, see blender for artists, a fork of Blender) and tools allowing you to work with blender from within VR from within Neos...

But for now, working just from blender and being able to easily port that into Neos and edit stuff that is in Neos from within Blender would be huge.

Probably what would be most ideal is having a way to simply plug the textures in automatically maybe have a Blender plugin that lets you work with Neos materials in blender.

I dunno. There should be more interactability.

Yes

Striking in protest of poor work conditions is well within the professional charter of the ACM and the IEEE.

True, but they did more than that.

this is the funniest thing I've seen there yet

Specificity is key. They have signed group statements conveying their reasons and motivations for work stoppage. What are you calling unprofessional?

That's perfectly fine, they have a right to go on strike

What is not fine is the manner in which this was conducted and the inflammatory way in which their statements and communications were worded

The result is an economic disaster and an attack, whether intentional or unintentional, on the health of the company and its reputation.

Ask any high level professional and they will tell you that what they did was unprofessional, it's not so much the act of striking itself. It's the smaller details, which result in a large impact.

If I were to go and do the same thing what I would have done is release the statement like this. Which is similar. But notice the differences.

"We would like to appologise to our users for the absence of updates and we are aware many have been wondering why development has stopped and are becoming agitated.

To re-assure you, we still have very dedicated intentions towards the success of the Neos platform, and we will resume development as soon as the underlying internal issues have been resolved.

We have decided it is not within our best interests to tolerate the working conditions which we have been subjected to. This is nothing that threatens the Neos platform itself however it is having a negative impact on our emotional wellbeing, we feel that the behaviour towards us from the CEO is abusive and unacceptable, and we are unhappy with the management of our employment agreements, as many of us are volunteers, new contractors coming on board has created an environment of unfairness.

There is much we have to discuss, but please be re-assured that these issues are being resolved and we are working to reach and agreement, we hope you will remain patient and forgive this little bump in our roadmap, which will continue in its deployment following negotiations, potentially with improvements towards it and a better, properly managed and organised structure.

Thank you for your understanding and your patience."

Notice I did not say anything like "we don't have and never had any involvement with NCR, it's all karel's idea, we want him and NCR gone and we want to eject him from the company and graciously allow him to conduct his own business as a 3rd party we will have nothing to do with, also I have been living in his appartment for my work instead of being paid and we are having personal flatmate issues. We don't understand what he is doing with NCR concerning liquidity instead of paying us so we want nothing to do with it, here is a list of all the private documents he went and tampered with, without consulting us, here is a bunch of private corporate affairs which make Neos look bad" etc.

Too much internal crap, personal issues, financially damaging statements etc.

It's a mess. This is all to messy and should have been handled cleanly and professionally but instead the mess gets spilled all over twitter and discord.

The only substant difference between this and the initial anouncement appears to be that you have omitted the portion of specific disavowel of Karel's words as representive of the team.

Also instead of pointing too many fingers and doing a whole bunch of he said she said look he did this look he did that, and then on karel's side, the sweet innocent act bringing more personal crap into it and further adding inflammatory remarks, with the whole "I wasn't being unfair I fed you and clothed you" etc.

All that needs to be accomplished is.

1. Appology
2. Re-assurances
3. Cold statement of the situation without personal issues and finger pointing attatched
4. intentions

So on and so forth. It's clean. It's neat. It doesn't make the company look bad and keeps the drama out of the public.

What definitely should not have been included is all the financial stuff which serves to sew the seeds of doubt. seeds of doubt are not what you want to be planting in people's minds when they are already agitated and on edge.

Stuff that makes people doubt whether Neos is going to be able to keep itself together financially, whether or not their NCR will be rendered useless, whether or not they are going to get to see the expectations that were created be fulfilled regarding NCR which by this point is kind of obligated to deliver something at least partially resembling the outlined roadmap, instead of being completely shirked while the devs openly tell everyone "it's not my problem, you lost your money, big deal, that's investing also this is not an investment, karel told you in the whitepaper"

It's all about damage control. You go on strike like this, you say you are having problems, there are going to be damages. It is your responsibility to the people who gave you their hard earned money... To make sure that you control the damages and minimise losses, you need to make sure that such internal business has as little of an impact on the health of the company as possible.

But instead we get the shirking of responsibility for development of NCR features, total lack of empathy for the people who sustained heavy losses because they made NCR be involved, damaging statements that need not have been said.

This was all very poorly handled.

Please don't bring furries into this, there are furries on both sides.

Let me point out I'm not on either side. I'm being critical but I am trying to be constructive. I simply wish for business to be handled more professionally in the future. It should not take an industry expert to see that the way in which this was done was highly unprofessional. Again, it isn't the act itself. They have a right to strike. That does not need to damage the company or create external drama.

See if they had hired a professional to arrange corporate affairs, logistics, strategy and public relations with a systematic, tactful approach, such that would meet the standards expected of a business aligned to take a major role in the growth of the VR industry and become a major player...

...They could have had them review their statements and edit them and check to make sure the devs were all happy with the statement to be released... They could have made predictions of the logistical impact that the statement's wording and tone would have, checked it from a legal perspective making sure they didn't violate anything, making sure that the statement did not undermine the company, making sure it did not undermine the investors, and formatted it in such a way where it met professional standards and would quell fears in the community instead of enraging them and starting an angry mob.

While they didn't violate any laws directly, the information given, the wording, and the intentions stated, are enough to get in the bad books of the SEC since, knowing the SEC, and having a professional understanding of their mentality and the way they operate, they would be all to eager to classify NCR as a security, and the SEC can basically invalidate certain disclaimers in the white paper which are not applicable to something that meets the profile they would classify as a security.

While hurting loyal investors and showing a total lack of empathy for them is bad, from a legal perspective, this was a massive blunder due to the way the SEC is going to look at this when they ultimately become involved.

Only reason I'm saying this is because it's basically too late now and their only option is to backpedal on some of their stated intentions, and to create re-assurances for investors who made an investment in what is a security whether the whitepaper tries to deny liability by saying it isn't, or not.

The ultimate result in they undermine their own legal credability and give leverage to their opponent as they also escalate a legal battle they do not want to fight by this point when this could have all been resolved nicely without spilling the whole mess over twitter and discord and fuelling an angry mob on one side and a potential class action lawsuit on the other as they give investors reason to side with karel and sue the team.

The disclosure of information on such a sensitive issue requires careful review and needs to follow careful guidelines and strategy and be structured flawlessly in a way that tries to re-assure the community and calm people's anxieties.

That's why you always hear in the media things like "statement pending review" or "yet to be released" because they have a team of people specifically tasked with restructuring and rewording such things so that they do not cause unneccessary damage or undermine their own objective.

They need to take days or weeks checking everything and re-checking it again making tweaks and edits and trying to refine the thing to be as flawless as possible. It is their professional responsibility.

None

Informing stakeholders is an essential part of behaving responsibly in leadership roles. It's not disputed that the situation could be handled more cleanly. I take issue with the blanket claims of unprofessionalism. This is a small company, and Froox was forced to act outside his expertise to handle the PR fallout of a founder split. Which he did.

They disclosed what the team determined to be the required information for the relevant stakeholders over what they identified as disinformation. You can disagree with their evaluation, but it is simply not the case that the behavior was unprofessional. Acting as a team for what they view as the interests of the project is pretty much what we expect.

Additionally, as you have specifically indicated personal interest in taking a job in the team and are making a multivariate criticism of your peers I assume you are not acting outside your own specific competence in offering legal opinions and related statements of competence?

It was a mess and was the wrong way to have handled it.

Personally I'm just speaking off the top of my head for roughly half of what I say, the other half, I will be open about the fact that I am trying to speak tactfully on the fly, and communicate the message which has the intention of inspiring the team to make improvements, such as when I have given some of my more well-structured recommendations in regards to improvements that can be made to the UI or strategies which can be employed in marketting and creating more use-case in a very value driven way for the currency used in their marketplace, otherwise, my recommendations and constructive critique on the matter of current interest is half the picture, and covers a strategy from the business perspective, there my mentality is that of what will result in the best possible outcome and highlights what should have not been done and should not happen again and is a small taste of a complete strategy that would require days of careful drafting, review and editing, it is not legal advice, and if it were going to be used as such, would need to be reviewed by someone with a working knowledge of business law, rather than from my perspective of tactics, strategy, logistics and management.

Working with a team to conduct a proper management strategy is of course a team based game, and in practice that may play out a little differently than open discussions which are often required to reach a result, and one's own personal opinions, which contribute to the mixing pot of a strategy devised by a team when open discussions have concluded and the strategy is fine tuned from multiple perspectives utilising all of the relevant information.

Best I can tell it translates to "information contained herein is for entertainment (and personal development) purposes only" :)

Basically, I am saying it is more representative of the thought process than the final result and comes from a management strategy perspective, rather than a legal one.

My main field is actually design strategy, and marketting strategy / logistics though, when it comes to the skills that could be applied here. That differs from ordinary design in that it is oriented at designing product features in a way meant to optimise the logistical outcome in the long term, taking into acount a holistic view of the way the design is going to impact the way things will unfold both in the way the product is used, will grow, and will create profits.

:V

If I don't do it with Neos for their software it will be with my other venture for which I have already been hired, for VR hardware design. It's all about streamlining things for long term strategy and predicting the way things will unfold technologically and economically and optimising every aspect of it so that it is future ready and will scale smoothly.

(Yes I intend to work two jobs it's 2022 who can blame me :V)

Karel revealing personal information about Frooxious was a direct response to him being dog piled and accused of horrible things by the community. Every bad thing you have heard about Karel I heard get rumored around before anyone made any posts. This is up to and including accusations of holding frooxious prisonor and forcing him to code. It is impossible to explain that rumor without revealing the nature of their relationship and other such personal details. Karel had a right to defend himself publicly. In fact he was forced to.

I honestly don't understand your criticism on this front. We are not privy to the specific process that lead to the published statements, but we can at least assume each signer had input. Reaching a team consensus is usually a good (and hard) thing. The strategic landscape that decision exists in is why we seek for as wide a group of perspectives as we can to inform that decision, but like, there are 16 signatures there from pretty much all 'levels' of the organization. I'd say that's a pretty wide consulting group.

That was more self-criticism

Though as for the Neos team, honestly that's even worse because it makes the whole team look unprofessional. They should have been able to spot the flaws and been able to optimise the final draft of the statement. So they either made some bad decisions in the form of contributions or edits, or they just went along with it. Neither of which were particularly good decisions.

Also Robinhood has a point. While Karel's side could have also been handled more professionally, given the context, the result created by the Dev's statement did generally push Karel into making that statement whether it was the right decision or not.

So again. A big mess spilled all over twitter and discord.

Getting angry about Karel running a discord poll is also such a fucking red herring. It was just an excuse to get angry about crypto. Burn or stake, it really did not matter at all. Either would have been beneficial to everyone. And the majority of the people who got upset about the poll probably did not even understand what the terms meant.

Guess I'll just have to prove it with our end result products ^^

You have good ideas. Blender or github integration would be game changing. I want you on the team lol.

If he had asked me I would have told him that it might be wise to connect staking with a system to allow content creators to advertise their goods, creating a way of advertising that can be integrated into the aesthetic of different worlds with different themes in the metaverse, which is something VR enthusiasts have been asking for, it is quite unobtrusive and makes ads fun so instead of instantly clicking away an annoying popup a user might actually choose to explore the world and see all the sites, including the well placed, aesthetic ads, which add to the overall ambience and make a world more immersive...

Pegging staking to that would allow creators to secure better adspace and gain access to more than 1 design theme, or better design themes basing staking thresholds for unlocking based on how commonly a given design theme is incorporated into a world. That gives people incentive to buy NCR and keep it locked down in staking for as long as they want their goods in the marketplace or even services in the Metaverse to be known. Which would have a very positive impact on price. Which would create even more incentive for people to buy NCR.

Instead of burning fees, which might not be suitable here since there is a hard limit cap on the amount of NCR that can be minted... Fees could be used to incentivise people to include these aesthetic advertisements in their created worlds, which goes above and beyond the inventive to include them simply for the fact that they look good and add to the ambience and immersiveness of a world.

It would be! I want me on the team too, I'd love to help realize the vision here and help to unlock the full potential of just how big Neos could be and what it could do.

I think this would really add to the whole Metaverse vision and enrich the potential to have a complete Metaverse Economy with real world implications, creating an entirely new Industry untethered to an economy where AI continue to eat up people's Jobs... And FIAT currency along with the system it is a part of continues to show its flaws.

That's one of the reasons I'm so upset about the hypothetical idea of shirking NCR. This could really be big and there is a lot of potential here when it is an actual metaverse we are talking about here.

^this guy. That is a use for staking I have never thought of.

Do you have expirance programming with crypto?

Unfortunately I don't, I'm more design and tokenomics focussed there, I know a bit about blockchain technology but when it comes to the actual coding... It's on my list of things I'd like to learn but don't yet know. I'd love to be able to unlock my creative freedom to create some of the various ideas for cryptocurrencies of my own I have floating around.

I'd like to be able to create an alternative to blockchain someday... An entirely new chain with a way of handling the ledger inspired by blockchain, and fulfilling the same philosophy, but in a more optimised way!

Just playing devils advocate here, but what position would you fill? Or would you just be the ideas guy?

Well that depends on where I would be needed the most. I could fill one or more positions, design, tokenomics, advertising, management, PR, corporate strategy... I know a bit of coding too but not enough for that to be a primary position, more of a supplementary one to whatever other role I might be needed in. I have spent 9 years formulating my own business plans for a tech company, and in that time I have been trying to build a complete picture of every aspect of running a business, and the work of all its departments, so that I can lead one effectively and conduct its operations and strategy wherever I can, and understand what my team is doing and why and effectively lead those teams with a strong understanding in the specifics of their work, actively participating as well as leading.

Ideas and in depth design of them, as well as strategy and tactics are where I put my primary focus though.

I have studied multiple fields in order to run a business just as anyone driven enough to success would do and imo is required in order to achieve the best possible outcome. So there are multiple positions I have the knowledge and in some cases, experience to fill.

What I am qualified for in terms of official qualifications, is Mechanical Engineering, which has added to my experience in Design.

You don't run a business with knowledge and experience in only one field and no knowledge of the complex reality of what it actually takes to run a successful business. You need to know what you are doing.

The most successful business owners understand all the pieces and the ways in which they all fit together.

Not most successful, as in, most of the people who are successful, I mean THE most successful, which is a small percentage. Take Elon Musk, that is exactly what he does, building an understanding in most if not all of the various departments managing the various aspects of running a business.

Realistically, not every single area but at least most of them.

If you have Ideas, and you want to make them the best they can be, and you want to take those ideas and run with them to the very top. That is what you do. Business is competitive. There are millions of businesses most of them will only be small or medium sized ones, they will not go the kinds of places that the best of the best go.

If you want to climb up over the other businesses making products in direct competition with your target markets, you need to give yourself the advantage, because if you don't, much bigger companies with more money, more resources, more connections, bigger teams... Teams of teams even, all there trying to outhink you and outsmart you and make their product superior to yours the second you get your 2 minutes of fame by making a product that is transiently better than the industry leaders.

They will either one-up you and make instant improvements over your own design and outcompete you or they will buy you up and run you out of the industry with their vast pools of money.

That's how it works.

You think you can become an industry leader by designing a product that works better than everyone else? That is cheaper? More powerful? Can do more?

Wrong.

Industry leaders who already exist can one-up you reeeaaal fast if that is all that you do. So you have to be able to work with all of your teams effectively and understand what they are doing and why and apply your knowledge across multiple fields to design a product that is different. Not just some clone of the exact same thing with more generic features packed in at a lower cost with more power. That is a transient thing. It does not have staying power.

You need to have the knowledge to apply business strategy and make something unique and different, something new, something that hasn't been done, and you need to be ready to improve on that and apply, again, that business strategy, in order to understand how the game is going to play out, what kings to release, what aces to hide up your sleeve, and be able to make fast, strategic revisions based on a constantly evolving, adapting and growing industry that is not going to play nice with you.

Otherwise, the winner is whoever has the biggest team with the most money.

It is not easy to achieve success in such a competitive industry as the tech industry. You need to maximise your chances. And knowledge is power.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that the tech company I seek to eventually create, I aim to make into an industry leader. That is why I try to learn as much about every aspect of the business as I can.

Good design strategy, which comes from a complete understanding of the mechanics of the game as well as an even more complete understanding of the tech you're actually designing. You have to be able to build it yourself if you have to.

Well Neos is software and I admit programming is an area where I could and will stand to improve.

The business I studied for, but is still a long way in the making, will be a tech company. And hardware is something I can build myself. And I know enough about programming to make it at least work as a prototype.

Unfortunately, being able to build hardware is not relevant here, for Neos.

Fortunately having a fundamental understanding of programming, while not enough to do everything myself, means I understand how it is relevant in design, so understanding the software, I can design a product in a way that works well with the way the software operates and it means I can effectively communicate to a team of programming experts.

Starting to see why understanding multiple fields is necessary to really excel? It's no use putting effort into designing something that is not optimised to work well and play nice with the software.

Yes that is very true, I never denied that. However, as a designer, it is better that you have a fundamental knowledge of those fields so you know how your design is going to affect the way those fields work together, and as a leader, it means that you are able to work well with the experts that you hire, because you are going to understand what they are doing, and collaborate with them based on that understanding.

Depends how fast I can accumulate enough money to build a prototype, get patents, set up a website, register as a company, put together a publicity campaign, set up a kickstarter, reach the funding target, etc.

Have you ever read a patent before? Yeah I'm going to need to build a prototype first in order to be able to go into 50 pages of detail.

I didn't assume I asked a question

Sadly, living poor (only now finally starting to climb out of it) that is the reality.

The current economy does not make it easy to simply start. Let alone see it all through.

Please explain

Encompassing design is an admirable goal. Not sure I'd really want an auteur theory of entrepreneurship, there is enough hero worship there. But if that is your sought medium, a heartfelt good luck.

Thank you

However concerned you think I am with the Industry Leader Transformation, I assure you I'm more concerned with creating something meaningful, it's just a matter of how to get from A to B when the most meaningful designs are rather expensive to make.

That is why I'm channelling some of my Ideas through someone else's company which I have enough of a stake in where benefitting his company with my ideas is going to benefit me. It gives me an opportunity to grow by helping someone else to grow to the best of my ability.

The most immediate design is a full body tracking system which works differently to everything else on the market or planned for the market currently, it uses newer technology that is not being utilised yet, in combination with some more traditional methods, which will unlock new ways of getting more accurate tracking data unbound from things like base stations, similarly to how slime trackers work, but with different technology which is better suited for the applications and does not have the same flaws.

This is the framework which will provide a standalone scaffolding for the boss's Idea, which is a full body haptic suit made for affordability which also utilises some newer technologies in a different way to what is currently being done.

This compliments his vision of providing the technology that will bring the Metaverse to life in a way similar to ready player one, and using the technology for solutions to real world problems, like for example as a tool in rehabilitation for people suffering from disabilities.

This is where my other idea comes in which I won't go into as much detail with yet, but it will be a headset designed explicitly for medical uses, working with current research into how VR can be used to heal people with disabilities, neurological disorders and mental illness, etc. And optimising the headset to be applied to that research.

The headset, while designed for medical purposes, will still be available to consumers of course. You will be able to game on it :V

Furry spam chat with nothing words

I come to expect news and receive nothing

your mom

I guess some people just don't care about the potential of VR technology to cure real world diseases. That or they simply can't read.

Excuse me that is the Constellation of Saggitarius not a Furry

Ignore user he is troll

Excuse me that is an Alien, as much of an animal as the average human :V

Who?

I wish many trolls ban

Administration lazy

Still not a waste of time so long as the right people read what I have said ^^

Every word has its purpose even if directly towards a ghost troll

Send out enough ripples and eventually you will make waves.

I still think we can do better than furry cabal. It's just not a properly furry pun.

If CEO were to new team I don't think he will be hire more fur so please

That's Alien Elon thank you! Furries are anthromorphised wild animals, Aliens aren't anthromorphised anything, they are what they are, as they are, and probably do Technology better than Humans do

Is a furry still a furry if they are a multiplanetary civilization with advanced technology of unimaginable proportions with no real world feral counterpart?

So if you put a toupe on a little green man from space, are they then a furry? Is that considered a fursuit? What about shapeshifting lizard illuminati... Are they scalies?

Troll

Good spotting! That post was indeed trolling

User is trying to get job with ceo

You say aliens what is aliens to NCR coin??????

Does it matter if I like space Aliens adapted for cold climates? Call it whatever you will. Anything even remotely furry is entirely seperate from my professional life. As it should be.

大硬币 Alien

CEO does not want more fur after each and everything

Sir, I draw Aliens in my spare time and create fictional worlds with their own canon which they exist in. And most aliens in the canon do in fact have no fur and actually resemble humans.

Is George Lucas a furry because of chewbaca?

Is aliens pump NCR coin?????? Is aliens good news for project???????

Silence only for you

No alien

No, Aliens do not benefit NCR.

However, if you read here, immersive advertising integrated with NCR staking would be very good for NCR

No one read your entire document

So not, Aliens do not pump NCR, but their creators can! 👽

Robinhood did.

Are you interested in making money because if you're not then you should sell all your NCR right now and not bother to read or participate in any discussion that could result in pumping its value.

The future, if implemented correctly, is very bright and full of lots of money

But if you're not interested you're not interested. Someone else will be happy to take that opportunity off your hands :)

User is troll or brain issue

I said I was poor. I said I am now climbing out of it.

I will add, thanks to crypto.

It speaks volumes about your own self if you talk about pumping the value of NCR but are unprepared to read into the discussion that can make that happen.

Word of advise, maybe investing is not for you. You clearly have stake in NCR. If you were wise you would be actively following and participating in the discussion surrounding it.

For someone so knowledge about metaverse you spend many time in here begging for administration to notice

Keep going

As well as providing for free effective strategies to boost its value.

Write me entire document please

Waste of my time.

You always have been

Anger

Except the right people have seen what I have to say by this point. I can only wait and see if they will implement any of my suggestions in order to create success for Neos and NCR ^^

I am simply telling you that if you go blindly throwing your money around into altcoins saying nothing but "pump pump pump, furries don't pump" then you are going to lose your money.

If a coin is failing, you fix it by reading, participating in discussion, and getting your ideas noticed.

Oh right, I forgot

#not financial advice :V

Oh my goodness I'm on the Team! YEEAAAHH baby time to send Neos to the moooon! :D

No, I said I studied them, I said I'm qualified as an engineer. The rest is self study

So qualify he pretend he working on team

I didn't even know I was on the team but apparently my Art belongs to them, so I guess I made it! :D

Continue posting me

Sure, where do you want me to send you? I can post you to mexico if you want, do you have a box your size?

Yes yes

Continue

I'm interested in the value to raise cause of its utility, not because it is being pumped. Cause pumping is artificially raising the price way above its actual value, which I frown upon

Mechanical Engineering, which does include several units on Design.

I propose some actual utility with my suggestion on implementing the type of advertising, integrated with staking, for content creators in the marketplace to have a creative way of advertising their product in a way that VR enthusiasts actually state they would enjoy

It also creates additional sources of revenue for the company

why would anyone use NCR on a marketplace, if it is open for other currencies? Or why would anyone use the marketplace built on NCR, if there's another marketplace where you can pay in fiat?

Doesn't matter what currency they use if NCR is the metric used via staking for people to secure advertising space

Blockchain technology means its easy to validate how many themes at what kind of tier a content creator has secured for their promotional material

that'd mean that some thing, for example advertizing space, was exclusive to NCR only, which I doubt would happen

I dunno I reckon I can get Karel excited about that.

The way things are developing the move seems to be going away from Karel. And as Karel controls NCR, as a consequence of that also away from NCR

As far as Degrees go, only Mechanical Engineering.

Then I need to make other team members see that for the platform to survive, for it to have scalability, and for them to be able to consistently upgrade the technology infrastructure it is going to need as well as keep their paychecks nice and high, and expand the size of their team and keep their paychecks nice and high, they are going to need to have a strategy for incorporating advertising one way or another.

Probable prime is a miss. Hopefully other team members will be more open to the idea that they need a way to secure their paychecks as Neos grows and expands and keep the platform stable as its number of users grow

I said I studied several things. This is 2022 you do not need to study at a university to be able to study anymore. There is a huge study of scholarly articles, free educational materials, all kinds of stuff allowing you to study anything you like.

Formally, I studied Mechanical Engineering and Design.

On my own, I studied business management, marketting, corporate strategy, and a whole bunch of stuff pertaining to running a successful business and making good technology and efficient, effective designs, predicting how things will play out, etc. I can't really quantify under any specific label.

Staking for higher tier self promotion access would stabilize the value. Allow it to perhaps have a consistent, stale incline.

He doesn't like the idea.

Won't listen to it even. Posed a valid concern then ignored every solution to that concern.

Only saying that because it was a public discussion.

Not everyone is going to wish to secure advertising space that way. This is different to traditional staking in that instead of sharing in the fees, the amount you have staked determines the extent to which you can advertise your marketplace goods and metaverse services.

The share in the fees does not go to the stakeholders but the people who put the promotional content, specifically designed to fit the aesthetic of various themes... Into the worlds they create.

The more you upgrade the ambience of your world with the dynamic promotional content, which by the way, can be done for free, the more you earn from collection a share in the fees.

Neos is already capable of using Blender to do stuff in Neos.
Blender needs to be installed on its default C path or the designated Blender folder inside Neos folders itself.

I used it to plant trees and grass in a world. A friend made a giant cornfield as a homage on SLs cornfield for banned people.

And I misunderstood it a little, it allows to use a unfinished modefier to build stuff in neos

War :3

currencies are not competing, They are mandated by the government in the case of fiat. Or they are exclusive utility by the systems they are used for

Why would they want to? VR enthusiasts have been specifically asking for this.

You know how games and virtual environments tend to use fake ads as part of the decoration for the world? It's small details like that which add to the immersion. Ads you hear on in game radio, in game TV stations, on posters, on billboards, bus benches, busses, etc.

Without it, the environments would feel dull and empty.

This is exactly that but instead of using fake ads, you use real ones, and only for content creators in the marketplace and people offering services within the Neos Metaverse.

Fascinating, I will need to try to find that feature

No they are not asking for more ads. They are asking for ads to be done in a way where they replace the fake ads that are used to add to the ambience of a virtual environment.

They were more thinking of diegetic advertisement from what I read. Like literal billboards and signage. Akin to what has been done on Rocky Retreat and Critter canon. But like, not a joke.

It isn't the currencies competing, but the GNI of the country set against import/export numbers. So it's like countries competing and their fitness being presented by the exchange rate fluctuations to other currencies

Its better to import a modified and let it build ten thousand objects then to export those out of blender and trying to import it. The nativ importer will die

I can show you a game world that does.

https://gamerant.com/cyberpunk-2077-ads-job-listing/

While with blender, you can literally watch your vegetation grow

It goes down as futher you go, but the important part is, it finished it :D

Intrinsic value of crypto is only in the transaction fees. Other token on that blockchain for example those based on ERC-20 have absolutely no intrinsic value

See the above image.

Here's another

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Little Helper's mmc22 project ran advertisements for other MMC entries. He also experimented with selling adspace on his avatar briefly.

I agree. Could have even been done on Kusama

And every time you turn on the Radio in GTA V or Cyberpunk, or decide to watch a TV in the game. Guess what? Fake ads.

All I'm suggesting is that they be replaced with real ones.

VR enthusiasts who talk about ads, have asked for them to be done this way, and are opposed to every other form of advertising in VR.

Pretty much every game has fake ads somewhere in their environment.

However, I think it would have been much better, if NCR wasn't crypto. If it was just a regulated in-game currency with carefully managed sources and sinks to keep the exchange rate stable, it had been much better. See L$

At the very least I have the credentials to be a designer, as well as the experience.

And in Neos, the Content Creators are part of that "story" and can very well create their ads in a humorous and illustrative way that adds value to the environment they are placed in.

A technical designer, with 3D experience, and a working knowledge of what goes into creating a good quality product.

if people were smart and thinking as a collective, they could just avoid any brand that is advertised to push them out of the market

Indeed

You aren't going to try to help me understand?

I do somewhat understand, but in Neos, this is a Metaverse. Really, it is the community of Creators who make the world what it is, and leaving a personal signature piece of self promotional material is all part of the experience of them, the Creator, who probably made some of the assets being used in any given world or made a system which that content utilises in some way.

They could simply add decorative ads on their own without the kind of features they could be offered which offer them a more dynamic and expandable experience.

Except, that way, the creator of the world doesn't get paid. So which is preferable?

People are going to leave their signature, their branding, something to promote themselves anyway. Might as well make a good system for it.

However worlds that push real adverts are those worlds that people can afford to visit

What?

Ok. So say I make an awesome product but I am not allowed to advertise it in anyway.

How does my brand not die?

How does the little guy get noticed?

How about realizing that if you buy a brand that advertises, then you also pay their advertising?

if you don't like ads, don't give money those who make the ads

How can anyone start something and make it into something new when all that will exist will have travelled exclusively by word of mouth. So now you incorporate promotion into social circles. People talk about how great this brand is and how great that brand is and the new guy gets jack shit. Maybe they get a few people in their neighbourhood to notice, maybe it gets out to some friends and their friends. Maybe you sell 100 or so products. Now your brand is dead.

however as a consequence you'd have to pay more then to "consume" those spaces, that formerly had ads as a way for financial support

Your stance is ultimately in favour of well established, giant, multinational corporations who don't need to advertise because for example everyone knows how great google is or how everyone needs a ryzen cpu.

Now the little guy can't do anything./

Because they can't get noticed.

So only pre existing giant corporations have the means for people to know about their product.

You are still thinking in advertising and that fallacy of that influencers are needed to promote, etc. etc. It all makes no sense

The rest, no one will ever know about.

It's not the route I'd go personally, but diegetic advertising is likely to have some interest to someone. There was talk about implementing such a service in the context of community messages/billboards. Not sure about the specific monetization of it, but I did always really like that 2600 magazine just let subscribers put whatever ad they wanted in the back of the quarterly. Especially in the context of a hobbyist community that sort of internal promotion of (ostensibly) fellow hobbyists is kinda cool.

Ok so how does a little Woman from Africa, a Country no one pays attention to, get noticed, real company, they are processing recyclable materials dumped in their home country by the rest of the world who shits on them... And turning it into a good quality, utilisable building material.

No one will ever hear of some obscure inventor in a country nobody cares about if it were not for the fact that she was able to get advertised.

What is your alternative? How does she make something of herself and climb out of poverty with her product? How does she get people to notice her?

Im an idiot

A continent

I'd like to hear of the vast amount of stories about inventors from unknown areas to be noticed and popular because of ads

So would I. That is sure as hell their best chance at getting noticed and making anything at all become of their company.

And especially single stories from them in particular to see how important ads were

Wouldn't you think that if they became popular by ads, that you'd have noticed those and know them by now already?

You never answered my question. What other way is there to get your product to the world in this age of the internet.

They still face challenges getting noticed even with ads. But it's better than never getting noticed at all.

To have the best product of its kind

Ok. So. How do people find out how good their product is?

A simple google search? There are 100s of variations of different products, sure, if you do enough research you can find what the best option is going to be, but that is dependant on the idea that people are not going to be lazy and simply go with established brands because if they are so well established surely they must be the best?

Like, a rotating joke/real ad on some Neos style billboards would be a moderately amusing patreon reward. Akin to the exit quotes, especially if it came with a good set of decorative objects for a neon future city or something XD Again, not really sure about it as a serious monetization strategy, but coupled with some actual community organization function (e.g. meet up times, official events, hints and tricks akin to digital signage in conspaces) it could be a moderately playful way to get something of an official opt in announcement system within neos.

As much as you hate ads. They are actually accessible to most people, certainly anyone with a half decent product already established in their community... And people can get a substantial amount of reach that way.

And they are necessary for people to enter into the space of bringing their dreams to the world.

Word of mouth is unreliable. You can show that with data. Try to get a large amount of reach on social media through word of mouth, maybe you have some success, maybe you don't. As soon as you get ads though, I really wish the NCR graphs looked like that because the amount of reach and engagement you get skyrockets.

Indeed

Also there is no need to be successful world wide, except you might be the only one capable of creating a product like that. It matters if you can sell it in your community and there word of mouth is enough to make a living

The idea we should be embracing is to create opportunities for people to be creative and get their creative ideas to go somewhere meaningful.

You can make a living making a simple product or you can grow you business and make bigger and better things.

Why would you support putting barriers to entry in place to make it harder for people to do something meaningful with their life instead of just getting by and never reaching the full extent of ability to make their dreams happen?

Fuck living life just to wake up the next morning alive and do the same thing you always do while dreaming of all the things this vast world has to offer that would make your life worth living. Meaningless existence.

Living for survival is totally fucked and we should be trying to remove the barriers of entry in place that prevent people from experience life to the fullest and keep them trapped in the daily grind.

I see ads as being a barrier to existence. Either the ad space is dominated by the big players or there are so many ads, that you aren't being noticed at all

That is its own problem that needs to be addressed but the way to fix that is certainly not by making it accessible to no one.

it is not a fix, it is realizing that its an intrinsic property of it and the only winners are those who sell ads

So then make selling ads accessible to everyone too??

then there are so many ads, that no one notices you

ads shall be only a few significant ones to make a difference, however they would be so expensive that only the big players can afford them

Still better than nothing. It at least extends your reach to someone somewhere outside your own small little community. You can reach anyone on the planet and if you make a difference with a good product to just one person in another country maybe you are lucky and it spreads throughout their community. Now you are active in 2 communities.

Ads are cheap

yeah, reality sucks, you cannot have cheap ads that makes you the one being noticed

But you are noticed, just not to the same extent as the big players. Remove that and the big players are the ONLY ones being noticed.

Reaching just a handful of communities gives you a chance to spread your product to those communities when people see how good it is assuming you did indeed make a good product.

Why not think of a way to make ads a better option for the little guy?

I'd rather have few ads in small communities, so one who starts out would be noticed in that small community and grow from there

That

That's a lot different to completely boycotting everyone who advertises

For example a cyberpunk roleplaying community with a few makers creating avatar accessories in the style of that community having only a few billboards up with their name. However they might not even need ads if they have their shop as a building in there

Boycott the big brands for hogging advertising space if you want but please think of the fresh new entrepreneurs with a dream trying to make something of themselves in this world

True shop buildings are another good option.

people then tend to keep their avatar the way they play in that community while visiting other places. People might notice those outfits and might inspect their avatars, where that place would actually be perfectly suited to have ads shown, as the inspection is a request for "ads"

You could very well actually have a scaling pricing system so the bigger your brand already is the more you have to pay for the same level of advertising space that someone completely new and unheard of could get for pennies.

and that's when someone was lucky to match the taste to become trending in the metaverse to have a limited time of that exposure

I honestly generally like the ads in Festa or even the dealers den we saw at VFA. Discoverability is one of those hard nuts to crack.

True that's also a good option

I certainly disagree to that kind of act

In a kind of capitalistic system I am for treating people equally, even if it seems to be unfair, however that just shows how unfair that system can actually be

Any why is that? If the problem is that well established brands get all the advertising space and its hard to get noticed when your ad gets washed out by someone who already made it why not make the well established brands pay more and newer people pay less which would mean more advertising space for the people who need it the most?

You still need to find an effective solution for people to get themselves noticed across the world and have a fighting chance against multinational, well established corporations locking small inventors out of the industry.

If you want to treat everyone equally you need to give people a chance to make themselves be equal to those who are disproportionately powerful.

Yeah, you are talking about equity

I also think that equity is a way for fair resource distribution, however it clashes with a capitalistic system

The system itself clashes with the fundamental principles on which capitalism was built. The capitalist ideals are a lie. Capitalism is the carrot on the stick dangled in front of you that you can never catch. If you want a capitalistic system, the carrot needs to be real. People need to be able to get the carrot.

that isn't a capitalistic system then

this is probably the best argument /against/ a centralized ad network. an ad-hoc system like thomas was talking about or the few times we've seen community attempts at promotion present a better barrior for a large corporation than any system of progressive ad tax.

And for the reference I am fully in support of a capitalistic system where everyone is ACTUALLY able to get the carrot if they put in enough effort. But you are told that hard work and effort are all it takes to become successful. This is not true. You need to really reach for the whole damn night sky if you want the carrot.

Yeah, the next system fair with equity yet has to be invented

It is. The ideals of capitalism are that you can get the carrot. But it is ALMOST impossible to actually get the carrot. Capitalism should stay true to its values instead of flaunting them as a facade to make people support a system which contradicts its own principals. But if the facade were real? If there was no facade, only the real deal true to what it says on the label... The world would be a much better place where people are actually able to do something with their lives if they try.

sorry, but I don't see that

But you're right. We need a newer system which actually gives people the opportunity to make something of themselves. That system would resemble the capitalism dangled in front of us as a lie, but with improvements.

the mechanics of such a system is always, that those who have can gain more than those who don't have

I think it should be a system where it is easy to be afloat, but where it becomes a real struggle to go above a certain threshold, which should be at a level where someone might already be too big

But it is still somewhat fair if the system gives people the opportunity to first become one of those who have, so that they can gain more than those who don't have. That's what I mean by the carrot. It needs to be accessible so everyone has a fair chance to get to the point where they have the means to grow more.

I start to dislike the metaphor with the carrot

Ideally it should be merit based in such a way where the best contributions, done with the best designs, the most skill, etc... Are better aligned to do better than someone who just makes cheap shit.

What I hope for is a system that actually gives proportionate value back to those who put in value. You do a thing, and then you get the value of that things back. You work harder than everyone else, you get back more relative to those who don't work as hard. You take more risks and face more danger, you get more, you do something that people enjoy more, you get more/

What you put in is what you get back.

the thing however is, those who can make the most people work the hardest for them, are those who are the most rich

Bring on that fully automated luxury space communism IMHO :P We can compete for the best exploratory fleet postings or who gets the best Shakespeare soliloquies that season rather than like, the ability to live.

That is correct and that is an issue. So there needs to be a way for people who make people work the hardest for them and what the work of those people amounts to is some piece of crap that people don't like but buy anyway... To recieve less than someone who also makes people work the hardest for them but makes a high quality product that improves society in some way and genuinely makes people's lives better...

And a way for the people who work the hardest for the person who makes the best stuff to recieve more as a result. If say, 10% of the total profits after expenses was distributed among the workers, that could be a solution. I might do that with my own company actually and practice what I preach, reward those who put in hard work and effort and subdivide those shares so that the hardest jobs recieve the biggest cut of that 10%...

Would that not be a more meaningful use for taxes that actually gives people access to the systems the government claims to spend that money on when in reality they spend most of it on stuff that does no good for ordinary citzens at all whatsoever. And goes straight back to the biggest corporations with things like government bailouts and private jets for politicians :^)

Why would healthcare need to be free if your employer makes so much money you can earn over $100k / year from taxes going instead to pay the workers?

More than enough to cover decent insurance.

Oh fuck just imagine if even just half of what normally goes to taxes went to actually giving your employees a decent wage.

Still need to do something about those who can't work due to disability and all that but do not underestimate how substantial an improvement that would be. Some companies make dozens of billions of dollars. And they can pay up to 40% in taxes.

Apple makes $50,000,000,000 per year. Do you know how much money that is?

That means they pay $20,000,000,000 per year in taxes. 20 billion dollars.

Now imagine they pay $10,000,000,000 in taxes instead and TEN BILLION DOLLARS is split to pay the workers.

That is enough to add $67,000 per year to the paychecks of every employee at apple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_corporate_profits_and_losses

Apple. $50 billion per year.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/number-of-employees#:~:text=Apple%20total%20number%20of%20employees,a%203.79%25%20increase%20from%202018.

150,000 employees

Assume they are taxed at 40% which is roughly what they'd be taxed here.

Cut that in half. That is $10,000,000,000, divided by 150,000 that is $67,000 per year per employee

there's 317 million people in the u.s. and you spent $360 million creating obamacare

just give everyone a million dollars!

That's my tax rate wtf...

5.7%, IIRC, due to creative accounting and a deal with Ireland.

Not how that works over here

https://itep.org/fact-sheet-apple-and-tax-avoidance/?msclkid=5cd5f5f6cfa811eca9416a8e1a47d724 sorry, 5.8%

What a rip off that I should have to give 15% of the tiny amount of money I earned this year, and a company that makes 50 billion a year should have to pay exactly the same percentage.

I think 40% is completely unfair and I'm entirely against that.

But if I have to pay 15% at least make them pay 25% or some shit .-.

I never said that?

I am suggesting that half of what they are taxed be distributed to their employees.

You take taxes, you cut it in half, you give half to the workers.

Instead of corporate bailouts and federal bankers paychecks.

Not a fully formed suggestion but just a concept to put out into mass consciousness.

Incoming sudden reclassification of 90% of apple employees as independent contractors XD

Well I dunno it's just an idea. There are ways to improve the system in a way that is actually fair. We just have some figuring out to do for certain things.

Different to socialism. Socialism is all managed by the government. You give them almost half of what you earn (here at least if you earn more than a family medical center GP) and then you trust them to manage the system for you under the assumption that a position fundamentally attractive to those who seek power and control... Have your best interests at heart and will use that money in a way that serves you.

If we are being taxes anyway might as well put a big chunk of that directly in the hands of the people that worked their asses off for the company.